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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Don from NSW, Australia on October 21, 2017 @ 2:51 pm
    to Jason i have been thru this . have some good information. look at march 8 entry below for contact. don
    By: Prefer not to say from Prefer not to say, Australia on October 15, 2017 @ 2:22 am
    Hi Jason sounds like you need help challenging that. If you are being hit up for that much you would be better off paying money to that child support company that assists you in challenging csa assessments. I can't see how on that income even if your ex had 100% custody you would pay that much. You need to get onto it quickly, you have a timeframe to object in.
    By: Jason from Wa, Australia on October 10, 2017 @ 11:44 pm
    This is my first year of paying child support, I earned $39000.00 they want $22000.00, I have no idea why, no idea how this can happen , I'm thinking about getting rid of my assets hide my money in the back yard and never work again, I may be broke but at least I'll be happy, what can child support do about this.
    By: Ian King from Qld, Australia on October 10, 2017 @ 3:24 pm
    Hi,

    Like many on this forum, I have had a terrible experience at the hands of the CSA.

    I would like to see the Change of Assessment process changed or abolished, as it currently gives the CSA far to much power to arbitrarily set the paying parents Income, and therefore Child Support Amount.

    There is anecdotal evidence that 21 fathers take their own lives each week as a result of these rulings, however nothing seems to change.

    It is my belief that if concrete evidence supports these statistics, government would be more inclined to change the process.

    To this end I have contacted the data department at the CSA and asked them to provide me with the deceased statistics for the past 3 years, specifically with regard to parents undergoing COA, review or AAT processes.

    The CSA is prepared to supply the report, but have quoted me a figure of $7,000 to perform the work. Which I do not have.

    Is anybody on this forum aware of any Not for Profit organizations that could asdist with this ?

    Thanks
    Ian
    By: nicole henderson from qld, Australia on September 30, 2017 @ 7:05 am
    i have had to deal with CSA for nearly 20 years and my only opinion was to help set up a group for uncensored feedback from parents that have been dictated to by CSA and /or are in the family court . time to reform this legislation .


    https://www.facebook.com/groups/csaustralia/?multi_permalinks=1560932250636918¬if_id=1506698528842010¬if_t=group_activity
    By: Mary from Vic, Anstralia on September 19, 2017 @ 7:30 pm
    @sharron, they have over stated my husbands capacity to earn to 105k, when he actually earns 43k as a chef, has for 4 years and has submitted tax returns every year. He pays well over 1/3 of his income to his ex, even though he has 50% care of his kids. So has $440 a week to live on whist she has over $800. There is nothing he can do about it. The stress it causes him is ridiculous. My heart goes out to anyone who is treated this babka by CSA.
    By: Sharron from Qld, Australia on September 19, 2017 @ 2:35 pm
    CSA have estimated that my partners income is higher than what it actually is (based on income from 2 yrs ago). They are expecting him to pay 50% of his current wages to his 16yr old son. How can a 16yr old boy have more expenses that his father??
    it's so frustrating and so unfair that once it's on paper their response is - sorry sir you need to pay, we can work out a payment arrangement but that will cost you an additional $40 a month.
    Yeap, thanks for that. Try and do the right thing and you get to live on the bones of your ass for the next 12mths until you catch up on your own expenses.
    By: Cathy from Nsw, Audtralia on September 18, 2017 @ 9:43 pm
    Hi
    I'd just like to remind people it is not just men that lay child support . Women pay too.
    My ex has full care of our 15 year old. Who is mostly alienated from me . I left the man because I was was not happy being the bread winner with him working very little. Now I have my 18 year d who I support and oY full amount for 15 year old . So he wins again. At the end of the day with his low income , my child support and family tax he will have a bigger income than me .
    Oh and did I mention he inherited money that doesn't count in the assessment
    So I feel your pain boys .
    1780. By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on September 17, 2017 @ 7:40 am
    Dear wifeofagoodman ,
    My ex does the same thing. She normaly works for 1.5 to 2 years max at her max " capacity to earn" ,but I'm paying the top amount to her cause its based on her centerlink income, because she does her tax return after she quits/looses her job. I have given csa her employers information etc. And they do nothing with it and don't demand back pay from her cause by the time she does her tax return she is back on centerlink and they wont recover the money from her cause she is on centerlink benefits.
    You must remember its a bullshit barbaric system designed to devide and conquer and create hatred amongst people.
    The cs formula should be the mothers "capacity to earn" ×2- (self support for mother/father ) ×18% (one child) ÷2= what father should pay.
    And it should be for the whole time of the cs payments.
    Yeah she may choose to stay on centerlink her whole life but at least you paid exactly half for the support of your child and it will eliminate a lot of the bullshit.
    Revolution dreaming.
    By: Wifeofagoodman from NSW, Australian on September 13, 2017 @ 7:11 pm
    Hi Gentlemen,
    I am the wife of a very good man who regularly and religiously pays his monthly child support, based on assessments for both he and his ex/wife. Recently his ex-wife accepted a well paid full time job (approx $65k per annum) which is great, but she is refusing to declare this to CSA, which according to their guidelines is omitting to declare a change of income, while still receiving the full CS amount based on assessments calculated 4 years ago - surely this is fraud. We have reported this numerous times to CSA but it falls on deaf ears. We are incredibly frustrated!

    What are the repercussions if he stops paying CS? Does she need to get a court order to garnish his wage? Willl there be additional financial penalties? We simply want to shock his former wife to stop "double-dipping " and get justice.

    Welcome your thoughts and experience.

    By: seveprim from QLD , Australia on September 12, 2017 @ 4:22 pm
    I have been on the system with 2 kids for over 20 years the last year coming up. For a long time I thought the way to win this is to use their(government rules) not by trying to change the so call CSA rubbish but using so called tax exempt bodies such a church.

    So here is my plan in short we start a new church(Church of BS as I am not reliegous) but will use the rules

    Where by you donate all you income to it .... then we have a so call Mass(prey metting) and say "Dave" donated $500 we pray for Dave to have his rent/food/car paid for.... the church then makes a mercy payment to all Dave's need... Now this system would pay no tax as the churches are tax exempt ... Dave would personally claim a small income say $18000 a year to and show he is working this will keep the CSA wolves at bay... ie Dave pays a minimum amount per year to the CSA( or a lot less then he would without his generosity to the Church of BS.

    Hitches ...
    1. More then likely you would have to work for the Church of BS
    IE the Church invoices your normal paycheck to the employer... the church then employs you and work cover and so on...
    You would need renegotiate with your current employer this way the church dictates your income to CSA mongrels.

    I think most bosses would think it be ok if not you move on to another job.

    2. Probably need an ordain priest to run it to legitimizes the church. Remember we are not trying to break laws but use the current laws against the BS system.

    3. Critical mass... we need x amount of members to make it all work....
    No Gov is going to say it is not real ... ie we must believe in making the payment and receiving help from the lord...(remember I am not religious) but if I received help with all my bills paid ... I might believe.

    The beauty about this system is that not a thing the Gov could do about it unless the churches/charities where attacked... And no Gov would dare do that...

    By: grant neale from South Australia, Australia on September 10, 2017 @ 7:22 pm
    Hey Guys

    Im in the same boat as most of you dealing with CSA and the courts, im a fairly level headed bloke when it comes to this crap we deal with, if you are thinking on how to change things then you need to get behind your computers and start typing, i mean emails to politicians, emails to the DSS (Department of social services) they are the governing body on the legislation which creates this system. If all of us type our realistic problems without abuse :) then things will change. Dont be afraid to write to Pollies, i wrote an email to a conservative pollie and had a reply email in less than an hour with another reply to come and speak with him 3 days later. Just keep cool headed and think straight and keep it to realistic problems and it will work.
    Im no expert im just a normal tradie!
    By: John from WA, Australia on September 7, 2017 @ 11:12 am
    People, I read so many stories about the dealings with CSA on forums like this and realise that they are only a very small percentage of what is actually happening. What to do?
    You must learn to help yourselves.
    If you are dealing with CSA then you must learn to play the game. Understand the rules of the game and the end goals. An analogy is like playing the game of AFL football. CSA is a professional team that knows the rules and can even bend or change the rules when it suits them. They practise all the time and have huge resources to get what they want. We are the other team that have wandered onto the oval, unorganised and as individuals are not a cohesive team. We have limited resources and do not know the rules of the game but must play anyway. You my think you know what is going on but in fact you do not. Even blind Freddie can see the outcome of this game. If you do not understand the players and the game then you will never understand why you are in the position that you are. Your aim should be to take back some control of the game and your life.

    Know your opponents and what they actually want. CSA is a faceless bureaucratic machine that has no interest what so ever in you, your ex or your children's welfare. They do not care if you are broke or hungry or living in your car. They only have one goal and that is to reduce the amount of money that the government has to pay out in social services payments. The more you pay the less they pay.

    The rules of the game are very convoluted and I doubt anyone knows them all. Your aim should be to get an understanding of the rules that apply to your situation. They are all on the internet but you must dig to find them then try to understand them. Reading forums can help but also cause confusion. Many have their own ideas on what should happen but are in actual fact wrong. CSA are quite happy the rules are complicated because then when you give up out of frustration they have won the game. Taking back some control of this game takes a large amount of effort and time at first. It may involve great changes in your life but as with everything else you do you only get out what you are prepared to put into it. It is your life and only you can do something about it. Screaming at and abusing CSA is like pissing into the wind. The only person covered in piss is you. Concern yourself with the things that you can change and do not get hung up on the things that you cannot change. It is not an overnight fix and I suspect most will not even bother. For those that do though there is the reward of a more stable life that you now have some control over.

    Remember you are the foundation of your life. You are the most important one. Do what you need to do to survive and be strong. Everything else comes after this.
    By: scott from nsw, australia on September 6, 2017 @ 11:12 pm
    Hello
    can any father who works in a business and is being overcharged by the government for child support
    Can I get deductions because I am buying goods and items including truck to carry on with my business
    Child support payments it overwhelming me and I am having trouble carrying on earning a living can anyone help me with
    information
    I AM FEELING OVERWHELMED
    kind regards
    scott
    By: Mark Harold from Vic, Aust. on September 6, 2017 @ 8:55 pm
    The mantra of such agencies like CSA, many lawyers and corporations alike is to LIE, DENY & DECEIVE us. Let me repeat this for posterity -- LIE, DENY & DECEIVE. There is no real transparency or accountability. It's all a sham! The environment we are forced to live in is SICK, real SICk, which in turn makes us, our wives and our kids SICk. Everyone must be aware of any commercial agreement they enter into seeking FULL DISCLOSURE and put your own terms and termination clauses in during the formation of any such agreement. You just can't rely on the bogus legal system and consumer law to help us! I hope people can hear this message.
    By: Tom from NSW, Australia on September 6, 2017 @ 4:38 pm
    I got a $3500 lawyer bill and I rang CSA who told me they would NOT take my $3500 tax refund if I lodged my tax return while my assessment was under review. So I lodged it and they took the lot! They are lying underhand fucking idiotic scum of the earth thieving unconscionable cunts. They are absolutely destroying my life. They know nothing about my life but give all my money to my useless ex. The divorce industry is one of the most damaging things in our society!
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on September 5, 2017 @ 5:35 pm
    Hi to all paying parents.
    Just a thought provoking comment i would like to make.
    If a small homosexual lobby representing a tiny minority of homosexuals can force the gov tards to force us to accept their bogus marriage plebiscite and votes etc etc, to add wasting tax payers money on it.
    Then why cant the huge amount of people,father's groups ,church groups? , suicide statistics ,letters,various surveys and constant outcry by the fathers of this nation ....make any difference to this barbaric family flaw/child support crime syndicate?
    Revolution dreaming.
    By: Grant from sa, australia on September 2, 2017 @ 3:19 pm
    Dennis, i had a verbal agreement with my ex, which i never lived with thank god! after some arguments she went to child support and asked them to get the money, to date im very sure i have not signed any formal agreement.
    1770. By: Allison from Vic, Australia on August 30, 2017 @ 8:02 pm
    I have written comments on here over the years l went through this crap as my partner who has 2 kids to a piece of work that was trying to keep up with everything she was trying to drink Champagne when she could only afford water. Fathers please stay strong you will not have this grief forever although it feels like it my heart goes out to you all. l am a woman with 2 young adults and l can tell you l had kids as l love them and not to bleed all the life out of the father till he has no life and no money. Take care and remember one day the money stops when they are 18 OMG she have to actually work then.
    By: Dave Williamson from Qld, Australia on August 30, 2017 @ 1:38 pm
    basically if you ex has kids and decides to claim through the CSA and you don't have 50/50 custody you are screwed. even if you have 50/50 and you earn more than her they will still take money from you. she can not go to work and get paid more by you.

    the system allows the wife to take your kids and your money and reward them for it.

    The system is so screwed and they wonder why Fathers lose the plot kill them selves or others, i know if it wearn't for my now new wife i wouldn't be on this planet.

    if you are going to lawyers and she is taking you for everything you are best to just give it to her you will fight and fight and pay your lawyer tens of thousands of dollars only to lose it all anyway don't get a lawyer they are all just in it for money.

    i am over my situation and its been over 3 years.

    id like to say it gets better and eventually you'll move on but that aint the truth you will never recover from this and you will miss out on your kids growing up and be financially ruled by CSA, unless you are one of the lucky few that have an ex that is reasonable and you can keep CSA out and work it out between you.

    Yes you should pay to help raise your kids but it should be dictated to you how to do that.
    By: garret k lavigne from fl, pasco on August 30, 2017 @ 2:02 am
    AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE

    In Accordance with Federal Rule 5(b)(2) which states the following in regard to service of documents:
    (2) Service in General. A paper is served under this rule by:
    (A) handing it to the person;
    (B) leaving it:
    (i) at the person's office with a clerk or other person in charge or, if no one is in charge, in a conspicuous place in the office; or
    (ii) if the person has no office or the office is closed, at the person's dwelling or usual place of abode with someone of suitable age and discretion who resides there;
    (C) mailing it to the person's last known address—in which event service is complete upon mailing;
    (D) leaving it with the court clerk if the person has no known address;
    (E) sending it by electronic means if the person consented in writing—in which event service is complete upon transmission, but is not effective if the serving party learns that it did not reach the person to be served; or
    (F) delivering it by any other means that the person consented to in writing—in which event service is complete when the person making service delivers it to the agency designated to make delivery.



    The undersigned being duly sworn, deposes and says:
    _________________________________________ is not the party to the action, is over 18 years of age and resides at__________________________________[please write complete address]
    That on________________________________[date of service], deponent served the within_________________________________[name of documents served] upon ______________________________[Complete address where other party/corporation served]
    METHOD OF SERVICE
    ____ [Check or ‘X’] Service by Mail: by depositing a true copy of the aforesaid documents in a postpaid properly addressed envelope in a post office or official depository under the exclusive care and custody of the United Postal Service.

    ___________________________

    Sworn to before me this ______________________
    Day of _____________________

    By: Dan from NSW, Australia on August 26, 2017 @ 2:51 pm
    CSA violates Fathers (mainly) rights and allows separated parents to hold the non-custodian/care giver at ransom to gain access to their children.

    I have been completely alienated from my child after a custody battle that left me with absolutely no faith in the broken system. When one parent continuously puts there child in dangerous and unhealthy situations and fails to meet even the basic care requirements for their child and alienates the other parent completely. CSA and the courts don't care so long as the maternal mother retains custody.

    We men are victims only due to the fact we do not give birth to the child. The fact that child support has a blanket approach to child support and more recently more power to violate our right to support our children is outrageous.

    I hope by writing here I can at least add a small amount of help to make things fairer and stop PAS and using kids as pawns for ill gotten gain
    By: Mark from Vic, Australia on August 20, 2017 @ 11:26 am
    DONT TRUST THE SUN IN WINTER AND DONT TRUST THR HEART IN WOMEN , AGAIN TO EVERY SINGLE MEN IN THIS WORLD DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN , HAVE PUPPIES UZ ARE BRINGING KIDS FOR THIS CORRUPTED LUCIFIRIAN WORLD , SIMPLY THEY ARE NOT UR KIDS , DOGS ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN AND KIDS AND FRIENDS THS DAYS THEY WILL LOVE U AND CHERISH U UNCONDITIONALLY TILL U DIE , WAKE UP ZOMBIES
    By: Garret Lavigne from Florida, United States on August 18, 2017 @ 12:47 am
    You know child support itself is a corrupt system when it becomes a collection agency demanding money for back payment of money that you never signed for this system is so corrupt that it now has the right to take away your driver's license and cost you Financial harm which the 14th Amendment under the Constitution says this corrupt system cannot operate 4D title is a government-issued system We the People need to really get together and get rid of this corrupt extortion pipe systems the only reason they keep up what they do is because our governor Congressman senators and lawmakers pass illegal laws violate and the 14th Amendment if we got together and thought as a country we would win like I said the corrupt system needs to be stopped we the people need to stop it
    By: Benny from qld, aust on August 17, 2017 @ 5:07 pm
    YEP to gov/public servants contact details being made public. Otherwise what could she be hiding? YEP intimidation is what they use.. many think they are so important & their shit don't stink.
    By: Berto Ortiz from Qld, Australua on August 17, 2017 @ 10:44 am
    I managed to obtain Lorna Andrews- national manager for DHS phone number/ email. Needless to say she was surprised/ pussed off that someone could contact her direct number.
    LOL, shoe on the other foot. She immediately said she has a number of AVO' s against certain individuals which I took as a threat.

    Contact number is (07) 3551 5771.
    Lorna.andrews@humanservices.gov.au
    By: gary from Qld, Australia on August 10, 2017 @ 7:34 pm
    Angus do not let your partner pay a cent to CSA it is not her duty. as to the debt that will grow on you but if you are not earning money there is no way they can make you pay a cent I think.. it goes off what you earn and if that is zero than the payments is zero. this may cause issues with the x but again if you have no income well what can they do. do not let your now partner pay a cent. this is the way I would deal with it but you look at the act about CS and study it.
    By: Angus from Vic, Australia on August 10, 2017 @ 4:19 pm
    Dilema

    Hi All
    In may 2016 I had an operation, the results were not good, July I had a second operation still mending but looking promising. The company I worked for restructured in late June 2016 and I took advantage of Redundancy as I was not going to be able to return to work or the same type of work. My Wife has a well paid job so we were able to manage financially. Tight but we get by. I paid maintenance as long as my redundancy lasted.
    However even though I have to date paid my maintenance to my ex wife on time every time the CSA want more.
    As I don't work I have NO income, I have not signed on at Centre Link as me and my wife joint income makes us ineligible. Yet the CSA want maintenance, when I ask where from they suggest the Wife pays it. This goes down like a lead ballon.

    I can either ignore the payment which to be fair are very unjust and go into debt or seperate from my wife become single sign on at Centre Link and screw the system.

    We used to have my daughter ever other weekend and half the school holidays until she turned 13, the increase in maintenance caused issues and when looked in to my wife released that, yes we get a reduction in maintenance for every other weekend but half school holidays nothing. My wife sees this as double dipping by my ex wife. We look after her half the school holidays and pay the ex wife for the pleasure on top of the costs at home. Once realised this stopped my wife will no longer have Rose on school holiday. I feel stuck in the middle as is my daughter The CSA are to blame for this. I can see my wife position its hard to argue with, if I do it causes problems.

    The CSA are not looking after he child's best interests, they are minimising the payments centre link have to make in my opinion.

    Im considering taking legal again against centre link but fighting the system even for a just cause looks very daunting.

    Sorry for the rant.

    Regards




    1760. By: Ashy from Nsw, Australia on August 9, 2017 @ 10:37 pm
    Hi all
    I'm one of them dad that I say yes for all what
    The want to take from me.
    Today I received latter from her lower asking
    To show all my asset pool so the can take it from me
    I don't know what to do
    By: gary from Qld, Australia on August 8, 2017 @ 2:47 pm
    I have been dealt a serious blow, and I don't know what to do about it. In 2016 I decided to try and start a business, and to GOV was pushing people to get out and have a go, I did not generate a cent from the business at all and I spent a lot to get up and going which leaves me here. Out of that money I paid GST on the purchases I made and was relying on it to pay my credit card off, but out of the $10 000 that were GST credits over $8000 was intercepted and stolen and I am almost crippled financially because of it. I have a mortgage I have a business overdraft account maxed out 20K credit card maxed out 5k and zero savings I put everything I could to get up and running am now screwed and I cant even pay for an add to get more business. if someone can help with legal advice but I cant pay, the only way I can see it would be to sell up and give the dream and go on new start.
    By: dennis from vic, australia on August 7, 2017 @ 4:51 pm
    Grant, have any payments been made to CSA? If not request a copy of any agreement or contract, in writing. If none appears after a few weeks, send them a reminder notice. ie. failing receipt of proof of any contract within 14 days, it will be deemed that none exists. Once establishing no contract, you can follow up with cease and desist notice on any correspondence with threats of costs and legal action if they fail to stop as any such demands could be deemed a form of harassment with intent to menace, at the very least.
    By: grant from SA, Australia on August 7, 2017 @ 1:14 pm
    I have one question, if i have not entered or signed any formal agreement with CSA, does this mean i do not pay child support even though the CSA send me assesment letters?
    By: FCK_CSA from NSW, AUS on August 1, 2017 @ 4:59 pm
    FCK This idiot CSA system.
    By: f4joz_mobile from Qld, Australia on July 31, 2017 @ 7:59 pm
    Mate i feel youre pain , i pay for three kids i have 50/50 but yet one of the kids turn 18 in February only to find my cs is going up so now im paying more for two kids than i was for three
    The system is bullshit
    By: Rich from SA, Australia on July 30, 2017 @ 10:25 pm
    Hi all. Im new to this not to cs.
    My ex and i have 2 boys 13 and 10. We seperated when my youngest was 6 months old. I get my boys every fortnight on a weekend. Id never get them during the week due to "it" knowing the system too well. I dont want to go down the whole court thing because of the parental alienation she uses. Im an honest man who works hard and pays what i am told by cs to pay every week without fail. My gripe is this. Every year my cs goes up. Im not on a lot of money but need to work extra overtime to compensate for the extra i have to pay. Next year comes along and bam, up goes my cs and so on and so on. Im really starting to struggle. Im remarried with a 3yr old daughter and am seeing my wife and daughter less and less. I earnt an extra $3k this year and have to pay an extra $1.2k and when you think of the tax i pay on the extra $3k i earnt it doesnt leave much of the extra hours i had to work to pay cs and tax. The kick in the guts is "it" earnt an extra $11k this year and when the did a provisional assessment on her wage was the $11k less i had to pay 623 a month then did one on her actual ( 11k more ) was 620 amonth. I got a reduction of a massive $0.81 a week on the $11 fucking grand extra she earnt from last year. Ill continue to pay what i have to everu year, working longer not seeing my family to make ends meat whe this stupind system gives ut to her and the government take the rest in tax. God i love my life....
    By: CS from sth aust, australia on July 28, 2017 @ 5:30 pm
    Yep pretty simple really... just don't form any agreement with these govt/corp/priv agencies. And why would you wanna aye??
    By: Tam from Qld, Australia on July 28, 2017 @ 2:45 pm
    Please head over to the facebook page. Child Support Australia Time For Reform.

    Sign the petition and lets get things real with CSA!

    You will also learn valuable information on how to deal with different issues!!

    #reformcs
    By: gary from Qld, Australia on July 27, 2017 @ 8:37 am
    so CSA has again taken money from my GST credit and I mean a huge amount claiming that a sole traders money is personal money. I have no money at all now none, I cant pay my house payments insurance fuel food nothing. how can I get that money back, I lodged a financial hardship form on the 13th and I rang the to ask what is going on and they said oh we have not finalized the application because the needed more information, why the f@#$ didn't they call me the next day. now they are saying that the money once given away they can not get it back. I don't know what to do I cant pay a lawyer I'm not on centerlink I have nothing I am so f@#$%#@ angry, fuc@ child support wanke#$
    1750. By: Mick from Vic, Australia on July 19, 2017 @ 2:42 pm
    How many dads bill the CSA for causing harm? Should this be a practice more dads need to adopt?
    By: Ash from NSW, Australia on July 17, 2017 @ 10:38 am
    "By: Doc from ACT, Australia on May 15, 2017 @ 4:03 pm
    Hello to all
    I have been unemployed for the last 2 years and have paid monthly support payments through CSA out of my termination payment and savings every month. I did not inform CSA that I was still unemployed after july 2016 (apparently every 12 months I am meant to do that) so decided to bill me based on my termination pay from 2015, which put me in debt by about 12k. I just completed my 2015/16 tax which was my termination payout, and they have billed me another 12k from my termination package. So they have essentially double dipped. For the only income I received in 2015/16 was a one of termination payment. So I have been incorrectly assessed as I have not been working, I did tell then in 2015 I was Terminated and would be receiving a Termination payment. Just asking is the legit and is there anything I can do. They say too bad too sad.
    Thanks
    Doc"
    Hi Doc, I took CSA through the SSAT system in 2013 and won. They were demanding and taking more than required (way less than your deal ) but still these pricks needed to be put in their place and stopped from doing what they did to you and me.
    Well worth the exercise mate.
    By: Ash from NSW, Australia on July 17, 2017 @ 10:34 am
    "By: Brian P from SA, Aust on July 12, 2017 @ 10:53 pm
    @Gary, request a copy of any agreement/contract that gives the CSA, ATO, any agency or any body/person any lawful right to any value from your labour without your consent. Don't argue or refuse, just ask Qs and have them produce proofs. Do discovery of all documents. You are the KING and they are but servants, albeit they would have you think otherwise. "
    Hi Brian, where do i start to get such documents?? Cheers
    By: Ash from NSW, Australia on July 17, 2017 @ 10:21 am
    Thank you to everyone who has commented here. I read through a lot of comments and nodding my head with the usual "yep, this poor guy knows how UNFAIR the CSAholes system is".
    CSA's latest stunt to me was to intercept nearly half my tax return knowing full well that she hasn't lodged her return therefore they use her last estimate of $20,000 (when in fact she earns over $40,000 and when the file is updated, they'll realise that I've overpaid.... and they'll just KEEP the money in credit.
    I have written them (CSAholes) a nice letter of complaint so will be interesting to see what they say!
    I divorced that x crement 7 years ago. She took me for everything, bankrupted me, and still plays every game you can imagine to make everything as difficult as possible. I got screwed over in court with the crappiest court orders you've ever seen, prob like most of us here.

    What I would like to see happen is a major overhaul of the CSA system in Australia and give us real dads the rights to our children and the rights of fairness to change the CSA man-hating - womens-rigged bias to the whole system !!!

    Anyone know how this could be done???
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on July 13, 2017 @ 9:20 pm
    Hi to all paying parents, csa /family flaw multi billion dollar racket/agenda destroying families and creating the new "stolen generation" and domestic violence.
    If only there was a real form of" good opposition " out there somewhere...
    Many hurt people come here ,me included. Hurt by ex but more importantly the system.
    Fight the system not each other.
    The system helps no one it only allows funding people to hate each other through inequality, in a time of equality?.
    Its all about awareness, child support is a fake bonus given to someone who hates or is at a misguided/heighten emotional state of mind(inflamed by family law solicitors psychological manipulators ), given as a right. When both parents had equal responsibility before.
    This so called child support helps no one ,it creates more animosity, at an already difficult time. Fathers begging for access to their children are met with one sided laws, which lead them to a state of rage ,eg domestic violence.
    On the other hand you have the ugly side which no democracy abiding media outlet will touch -SUICIDE.
    28 men commit suicide each week as a result of helplessness, caused by inhuman family flaw outcomes/laws.
    You may think you have won , but what? At what cost? Someone's life or a few dollars and misery , without any care for the father of the kids you call your own.
    What a mess , stay strong people, fight the system not each other.
    Revolution dreaming. ..
    By: MikeP from Western Australia, Australia on July 13, 2017 @ 3:15 pm
    C'mon guys, "don't get married", "don't have kids" that's ridiculous!! We need to go out on streets and stop this nonsense. The solution where everybody live happily ever after was found in Scandinavia. If you don't know what I'm talking about please try to figure out how divorce looks like there. Simple, easy and a solution that completely makes sense.
    By: Brian P from SA, Aust on July 12, 2017 @ 10:53 pm
    @Gary, request a copy of any agreement/contract that gives the CSA, ATO, any agency or any body/person any lawful right to any value from your labour without your consent. Don't argue or refuse, just ask Qs and have them produce proofs. Do discovery of all documents. You are the KING and they are but servants, albeit they would have you think otherwise.
    By: gary from Qld, australia on July 12, 2017 @ 10:46 am
    Hey there
    Does anyone know the form and where to get it to object to CSA ot ATO to take your tax return.
    By: Tony Leape from nsw, australia on July 11, 2017 @ 7:52 pm
    I agree with you Mark. Stop impregnating the gold diggers. Male wage earners in Australia are targets.
    By: sam from vic, the lucky country on July 11, 2017 @ 12:23 pm
    does any one actually have a solution
    1740. By: Fedup from All, Oz on June 29, 2017 @ 4:49 pm
    Why doesn't anyone just blow up the entire CSA?
    Do everyone a favor!!!
    By: Mark from Vic, Australia on June 25, 2017 @ 3:02 am
    THE ANSWER IS VERY SIMPLE , DONT GET MARRIED AND DONT HAVE CHILDREN I FUCKING HATE CHILDREN , LIFE IS NOT ABOUT FUVKING GETTING MARRIED AND BE A BITCH AND SLAVE FOR WIFE AND CHILDREN THEY WILL TAKE UR WEALTH AND UR HEALTH WITHIUT EVEN SAYING THANKS DAD , LIFE HAS MORE MEANING THAN THIS WHEN U DIE U GO BY URSELF INTO THE GRAVE NONE OF THIS LITTLE SHITS OR THEIR MOTHER ARE COMING WITH U
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