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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
Please read todays daily telegraph.
In the article - 28 suicides each week from family flaw/csa related hate.
Where is the National Enquiry? Or are we still in the domestic violence phase?
On anzac day lets march for the forgotten dads, hated lost soles of this evil barbaric system.
My take on all this? Do a shit-load of evidence-gathering yourself before you send in a C of A application - they are more likely to make an effort if you spoon-feed them info and the places to search, saving them time and effort. Always be polite, never get angry or vindictive on the phone to them. Write down everything you discuss in every call. Always get a name and a receipt number. There is hope, and it doesn't always go the female's way!
Perfect formula for ECONOMIC PROGRESS.
read answer below to Sally
this will have a black column down the left hand side, scroll down to "separated parents" and click.
This should have you elevated past the CS defense screen.
nobody you talk to by phoning CS will tell you about it unless you force it on them. Good luck
Then scroll down to 277-03130000
This is "capacity to pay"
this should give you a start
She has 100% care of the other 2, due to her ringing CSA and telling them the kids weren't going to come and stay with us any more. She did everything she could to discourage them and told some really nasty lies about their father.
How can her income drop from $50000 to $8000 in one year while she is still supporting children? My husband is paying her close to $500 per fortnight, while also supporting our 2 children and myself while I am on leave from work.
I believe that fathers should definitely help support their children, but the system seems to be rigged in favour of the mother. She took the kids away from him, stopped him seeing them and is now getting a quarter of his income every week in Child support while we struggle with bills and groceries.
My question is, is there a financial hardship assessment that i can send in? Has anyone done this in the past?
Same as Dave below. Anyone know?
Top answer Paul.
Tom just keep paying + a bit more mate, cause if you dont you won't see your kid for some time.
Suggest to those just starting their csa sentence.
Buy yourself a caravan ,something that will last at least 15 years.
You need to diversify your work.
Ask your parents or friends if you can park it at their place sometimes.
Follow the seasons and go fruit picking for a few months, while you live rent free in your caravan.
Work for cash as much as possible.
Don't think about grand things like buying a house,cause that will be impossible even for those who don't pay cs.
At least you'll be travelling along the country with your mind off all the shit and might even find a little town which you might settle in. Life will still go on... do some study to improve your qualifications . And by the time you know it this will all be behind you.
Or you can spend the next 18 years doing what wise man Paul said below.
Now, let's get to the important stuff:
I'm a father of two (diff. Mothers). I pay Loads to CSA for my eldest. My youngest I've been denied contact with since before she was born. I never held her when a newborn, I never walked her in her pram, I never settled her to sleep and put her in her cot. I experienced nothing but heartache for the last 4 years. I decided now it would benefit everyone if I just give up.
Any other fathers feel like this or am I alone?
you are only obliged to pay what the CSA assesses you to pay, or any other amount by a Court order. If you want to pay more you can, but it will not count for anything except good will.
so my advice - pay to her only what the CSA says to pay. If you feel you want to do more for your kids, then do it - but do NOT listen to your ex when she tells you that you HAVE to pay more.
Fathers rights= bullshit
Not sure what your grounds are - but happy to chat if you want any insight to the AAT.
leave some contact details and I will call or email you - then we can arrange a call.
what is a fair deal when it comes to paying flight costs interstate when I am already paying max CSA and will increase more once the court allows ex to relocated to Victoria from WA and then I wont have my kids as often therefore my CSA payments will increase. My ex had an tax income of less than 3thousand due to self-employed but remarried and obviously not declaring her true income where mine salary is high in mining.
I'm sharing this letter I just wrote to Child Support Help Australia.
I'm sharing it with this forum for some advice we are bumming out big time
Hi my name is Robert Lucas. I have applied a couple of times to speak with you about my current situation.
I urgently need your help urgent please. I have just read an email that says I am not allowed to leave Australia. My wife and family have organised a 2 week trip to Bali to celebrate the coming of my 50th birthday. We are suppose to fly to Bali this Wednesday 08th March and return to Australia on 22 March. I have not worked for the last 18 months due to a back injury and I'll health. My wife is the bread winner in our family. Everything is paid for and we cannot afford to cancel anything as we will lose all of the money. This is a surprise birthday present and renewing of our wedding vows with our 4 children. I was only told about it on the weekend.
I am in tears right now as I write this letter. My children are excited as are myself and my wife as this is such a milestone in our lives. If I had money to pay I would but I don't. My wife and children don't deserve this. I don't know what to do I'm devistated to say the least. I'm reaching out to ask for your help we only have tomorrow to sort this. I pray to god that we can get a positive result. Or I may be getting a divorce instead of renewing my vows. My wife and children have sacrificed so much to make this trip happen😩
Below is a copy of the letter
Im happy and prepared to pay for my child, but am grudged by the hard tactics and regulations imposed by CSA. My query is if i venture overseas, to a reciprocating country and start work there, how the hell do they find out? my guess would be first through immigration to find out where I land , and then secondly by checking tax system for my details in the country. Would this be a fair assumption, or as some people have advised that as long as i declare myself as a non-resident after 6 months out of the country then CSA have no way of getting at me? does anyone have similar experience or knowledge to be aware of in this situation. I'm planning to leave by Mid march. Any thoughts appreciated.
any help appreciated
Has anyone came across the predicament of the other parent actually working for the CSA?
I put in for a change of circumstance because i am not working at the moment (lovely wife supporting me) i also finally did tax so my taxable is now lower then what they had me estimated at bringing the child support payments down. The other parent has put in an objection about it.. The kicker is she works for the CSA and therefore would know all the ins and outs and the correct things to say. Also how am i sure that the "case" worker is not her friend having a good chat to each other? would love any ideas or info on how to deal
If you have consent orders in place did they have a relocation clause in them ? If they didnt she cant move without you agreeing. As you have found them and they are back in your home town the courts wont let her move with them again unless its in her and the kids best interest as in she got a better job or remarried. CSA is in place for a reason so its to be used on the kids and it will have to cover their air fares.Also when you go back to court ask that if she moves ( only on court agreement and your ) she has to cover all costs of travel to you.Also all csa payments can be claimed on tax that started about 2 years ago I think just need proof you pay it
Dear Ms Campbell
Congratulations. Last night a friend of mine committed suicide by gassing himself in the car he had been forced to live in by your department. Whilst restricting all access to his children the CSA garnished approx 60% of his wage and left him unable to support himself.
The social/socio-economic repercussions of direct action from your dept is nothing short of disgraceful and inhumane. Homelessness, domestic violence, tax evasion, unnecessary community angst are just some of the issues that you appear happy to turn a blind eye to.
If i had known my friend was in such a bad way i would have offered a roof over his head at least, but it seems the embarrassment he faced everyday and the depression he inherited from not seeing his children and the lifestyle you forced him to live stopped him from reaching out to people who could help, and subsequently led to his death.
You are a disgrace and everything your dept stands for is flawed. You dont care one bit about the children, all you do is promote legally assisting women in this country to use their children as pawns against their fathers.
If your dept wasnt as malicious as it is im sure a large majority of these separated couples would be able to work together in the best interests of their children.
I hope you sleep well at night on your $500k+ salary a yr and blood on your hands, you will forever be known as a murderer and the worst Human Resouces Secretary this country has seen.
R.I.P. TK.......he was a good man, a good father and deserved better. If you would like the details of his funeral so that you can attend and see what your handywork has done first hand i will be happy to pass it on to you, dont expect a kind reception though.
Sent from my SAMSUNG Galaxy S6 on the Telstra Mobile Network
Thanking you kindly
Law firm investigated over alleged abuse of intervention order. A Melbourne law firm is the subject of a police investigation over claims it threatened a man to accept a low valuation of his former matrimonial home or he would be pursued in court over breaches of an intervention order.
The most recent data from the Magistrates Court of Victoria reveals a 10 per cent increase in 2014-15 in the number of applications for intervention orders from the previous year. Most of the 72,625 applications were made by Victoria Police, which has placed a significant strain on the resources of law enforcement agencies and the justice system.
However, Melbourne barrister Michael Challinger claimed intervention orders were increasingly being used to provide leverage during legal negotiations, which imposed a significant burden on the court system and police.
He said the legal process required a mechanism to filter out spurious intervention order applications.
"No magistrate wants to make a mistake, then appear on the evening news when an application has been refused and something terrible has happened. But orders do more than restrain violence. Often they separate a man from his children or evict him from his home," Mr Challinger said.
ex moved away with boyfriend while i was working FIFO took the 3 children.
She gets max csa payment - 53k/year tax free
She gets the dole and family benefits - 25k/year
I pay my flights to perth from Brisbane job is ex perth
When I see my kids ex demands a return flight for each child before she lets them go..
Ex gets more cash in hand each week then I do and she won't work.
Heres the worst of it..
My daughter finished school and the ex pushed her onto the dole, then charges her rent (more money for ex)
My daughter had enough and came to live with me, they cancelled her dole payment cause of my earnings, yet she can get on the dole living with the ex who rakes more money then I do a week due to benefits and csa..
now the ex is using that as abuse against the daughter,
stay with ex and daughter can go on the dole, (ex gets more rent + CSA)
stay with dad and u have to work as u cant go on the dole..
the dumbass who wrote the legislation really fked things up for the kids..
the ex has been on the dole for 5 years and fked the kids over the get full CSA..anyone else would be in jail for fraud/abuse
but not the women..put your hand up and repeat "domestic violence" 3 times and get anything u want anytime..free legal aid, lifelong benefits.
i don't and never have abused a female or child..current affairs get onto this and shame the ex's and politicians..
the underlying factor to the increase in family violence and abuse ?
My ex has filed a CS Claim against me, I owe back pay now and will be left with $320.00 per week to live on. I have my son 50/50 he's brainwashed our daughter to stay with him 100% My son won't stay with me 100% as he's frightened of his fathers actions, as I am. I am thinking of salary sacrificing to reduce taxable income, but not sure how that will effect my payments to him long term, my son is 15yo and daughter 16yo. You hear of men getting screwed, well I can tell you I know a lot of women getting screwed over and losing their children to the courts also. The whole system is flawed, giving so called rights to 13 year old children who are manipulated by a parent. I've been through hell and back and it is still continuing...
make sure you dont have any outstanding money against you with csa other wise they can stop you at airport. My x has outstanding with them he got his passport to go os and was stopped at airport and told to pay it all or go home wasnt aloud to leave aus.
Later this year I am moving over to the UK to work, marry etc...
I plan on still paying my entilements, but outside of the CSA.
Anything I need to be aware of for me to do this. I will of course be returning to Australia every 18 months to spend time with the kids but I currently have 47% care. Huge decision from me and I don't want any nasty surprises