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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
Many thoughts and feelings distorts one's mind when in a suicidal mood.
Go fuk another slut, if one kicks you out, another will take you in.
Go live with another bitch, surely one of the other poor bastards here pays her CSA payments too! If so, you can live off her and her ex .
This is a fucked system, but if you learn to play the game you will smile in no time.
******Rules of life******
Never ever, answer a private call.
Never ever, talk to CSA.
Never ever, correspond past your first responce of "What the fuck you talking about".
Do pay for your children (if they are yours), but not through CSA (keep records).
Do resist all requests from CSA.
Do place all CSA mail in the bin or return it to sender.
Resist this Evil organization at all costs and advise your boys how to avoid this Evil organization.
CSA causes more deaths than by any other means.
CSA forces men to their knees then to the grave.
No politician in Australia has the balls to stand up guys, you/we are on our own..
Revert to the "never ever rules above guys", we all die eventually, but we dont have to die by CSA rules.
Hay! maybe Ill see you in hell one day :)
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On top of this- Child Support say the highest amount of child support ($2500 per month for 2 children) is not enough for school education-so they decide you have to give another $27000 per year for schooling. You have nil choice and if you don't pay them you get the money taken from your bank account.
I understand that the vulnerable have to be supported- However- they system is not right because the income producer becomes the vulnerable one.
very hard to start a new life- very hard to date and provide any future- The Court system is not right and then the Child Support System is not fair and equitable
I really hope u dont have kids with the way u talk about females please dont pass that onto a male child or any child for that matter.
Some mums do the right thing by their x ( the childs father )but then again some men can be real pigs to if it comes to that
Im rasising my 2 kids without the help of their father HIS CHOISE I might add HE WALKED OUT ON THEM I do every thing on my own. Chasing him all the time so the kids can see him but its what he wanted but the kids they want to see him so Im doing everything I can so they can driving 4 hrs just so he can have lunch with them half the time hes late or just dosent turn up as he was to busy. So are females all bad ? BTW Im a working female WITHOUT the help of a CSA payment he cant afford to pay so I dont ask
The one thing that "might" be worth pushing for with csa/politicians maggots is the amount the csa uses as self support in the formula ,which is like $21thousand!@$#×. This figure is as old as the csa. Rent in most cities is well in the $450++ category,and what about food?,the cost of travel to work etc. The self support amount should be at least 30thousand+ for a WORKING person. And why should my cs go up when the kids turn 13,cause they have more needs? And what about my self support needs??? So as im paying 18% for my son out of my gross income which is like 23% out of my net income,then I'll be pay 23% out of my gross when he is 13 which will really be 26% out of my net.
So there you go people some interesting figures to ponder about.
It is worth pushing for an increase in self support.
Revolution dreaming. ..
Accidentally clicked the submit button, long story short I put in an assessment as I did not believe her income was correctly reflected because she has a part time job and also receives Centrelink payments to the tune of approx $600 per week and Child Support declined the assessment advising that the $18,000 she claimed she was earning per year is correct and they don't take into account Centrelink payments. Has anyone else experience this? If she is receiving approx. $30,000 from Centrelink shouldn't this be considered when calculating my child support?
The reason why your x doesn't do her tax returns is because it will reduce the amount she gets from you, my x does hers when she is not working, that way I'm always paying the 100% of the formula. And her previous years that she was working are not used but yours are, so be up to date or you will pay till your kids turn 25. Work for cash as much as possible and keep the bastards
honest. Dont even think about offsetting your cs by getting another job,unless
its for cash only, cause if you do it will all be added together, this might push you over into the next tax bracket and increase you cs to the point where you will contemplate self harm or worse.. Remember the key word CASH ONLY.
Just wanted to let you all know not to fall into the "dont do your tax lodgment trap".
If you don't lodge you tax return for a number of years and your kids turn 18 or more, the csa maggots /parasites will hit you with back pay , also you might beearning less now but will be forced to pay on what you earnt back then.
Better to be up to date with the cs otherwise you'll be paying backpay till your kids are in the late 20ies and guess to who.
Cause once the cs ends and you own them nothing then you will get true
justice. And will see how they do it on their own. Revolution dreaming. ..
They've taken 3 of my tax returns in the past saying I'm overdue on payments so I pay all that out to that bitch cause I know my daughter doesn't see a cent but now I get my tax returns and its never the full amount there's always some crap involving arrears etc. I can't even enjoy any of my own hard work I still don't understand why I'm always in arrears when it comes straight out of my pay before I see it. When I speak to their useless csa agents they keep saying sometimes the system isn't quick enough to update which looks like your behind on payments when actually your not. So then I ask them so if I'm actually not behind why in the bloody world are you still stealing from me? Then they give me shit info never helpful. The x dictates when my daughter can see me I always try to have her during holidays birthdays there's always bs that they have plans I can never just set a date and it's all good she's always gotta have the last say. Why do you think she hasn't lodged her taxes? Is she hiding something from csa?
My eldest turned 18 in May and the x applied to have me keep paying child support until the end of his school year so yes, they sent me a letter granting her application for me to keep paying. Mind you, no proof was sent through that he is actually still attending. Rang the school to confirm and was told they can only tell relevant parties and as I was not on their list I was not relevant.
Relevant enough for csa payments though. More double standards.
If u don't lodge a tax return csa will increase yr assessed income for $ support arbitrarily. I think it's by 5% but they should have done that to her income for assessment aswell.
I do strongly suggest in using your local political member who usually have someone in house to liase with the CSA higher up the food chain than the call centre and complaints group provided you have legitimate complaint that can be supported and not just a grumbling session.
The local political members keep stats on these things and apparently are legally obliged to respond and act to your queries. I have had better responses using this approach.
Even if you have no success in your claim then atleast there is another avenue that is aware of the CSA's actions and in big enough numbers it may gain some traction and critical mass.
Keep a copy of the CSA legislation handy and search for sections that affect your situation. This should ultimately be the CSA's bible and hence must follow it. The frontline CSA staff do not seem to be aware of much of it from my personal experience.
This is handy online guide but hold the pdf copy handy since I think it may have more detail.
I share your pain and just want and expect some equality.
Now I scan all of my CSA dealings with a fine toothed comb since they cannot be trusted and are a debt collection agency foremost and must be treated as such.
Be strong and focused my friends............
This is a case drawing upon both the supervisory and adjudicative authority of our nation’s highest court to rectify family court processes in the states that “shock the conscience,” Rochin v California, 342 US 165 (1953). Through an unchecked expansion of
authority over America’s children, local family judges have been able to abuse equity jurisdiction to invade every aspect of private life. Such power can exceed that exercised by the NSA, IRS and CIA
Time for change! So long csa!
No wonder suicide rate is so high. I bet those men are happy now they're free from csa.
At least I know I'm not alone here. People judge absent parents but sometimes we don't have a choice really
If you had no money to buy a house , would the bank let you buy one?
If you couldn't afford a car that you want could you still buy it.
then why is it that the parent who cant afford to support the child, 9 times out of 10 gets to keep that child.
custody should be based on the ability to support the child.
if you cant even support yourself, then how can you afford to support a child.
that would mean that the child support you receive goes to support you .putting the child second.
If a"deadbeat father" is someone who is forced to pay cs. Then what is the term that best describes a mother who refuses access to the father?
Revolution dreaming. ...
I offered to put aside whatever amount I can afford in a account for my daughter when she's older but my ex told me to fuck off. My ex is well off and has told me she doesn't need my money but wants me to suffer which I told them but csa continue to take my pay and don't leave me enough to get by on.
Maybe i should get a job far away from ex or work for myself and not lodge tax return like other's do and GIVE UP WITH CSA. My daughter will come to me when she's grown up. Maybe it's time to move on with life and move away until this country stops fucking fathers over
They will keep racking up the debt no matter what and at some stage you WILL pay, we need a means of stopping their corruption.
Dont get me wrong, i have no qualms whatsoever in "contributing" to my sons welfare. In fact id have him 100% in a heartbeat but the sda fact is im not contributing, i am being used as the sole supporter whilst his mother lives the perfect lifestyle. Re-married, nice job, house, overseas holidays and im the one paying for it all. great system.
Geoff, what one has to look at is, who/what is govt, csa, dhs, legislation, corporations, living man, contracts and consent? Being responsible for one's flesh n blood and unknowingly being a slave to a fiction and 3rd party interloper out of ignorance and deception are two different things in my book. One either lives under the creator or under man and his 10 million statutes biased toward the state. Like being good or evil, it's all a choice and individual journey. Just remember, we're all on the seas of commerce.
As for your situation Daryl, Why does this familiar story keep happening? the CSA are criminal in the way they do things yet accountable to no one.
A law unto themselves and can do what ever they want without fear of reprimand.
What do we as a collective group do? what can i as an individual do?
I have googled and searched for answers, contacted the ombudsman and done as much as i can but it seems like a dead end in every direction.
How can we change the corruption and destruction causing of this agency?
Is there a method or avenue of having it addressed?
Ihave found documents online from the Ombudsman and some other investigation a few years back on the services of the CSA and it is damning yet fark all is being done and no action taken on them.
Im at my witts end trying to sort out my own mess let alone pay my ex $1950 a month based on my earnings nearly 3 years ago!!!oh and the ex continually telling them she has my boy 100% when that is simply not true and apart from the time i have with him which is over the 51 days it costs me around $5k a pop to see him..
I dont want to become a statistic.
I But Saw Him Passing ( Father-Daughter Bond) 20-02-16
Every time the law fails a father
It fails a child
Every day that passes
him passes her
Every day without contact with her
Is every day their bond diminished
Each happy smile, cry and nappy changed
Each walk in prams to count the cows
Each flower picked, each preparation
For the visits to the grandparents,
the park, the doctors, friends, the trip to town
Her determined little frown
Each day that passes
him passes her
Every time the law fails a father
It fails a child
Every day that passes
him passes her
Every day without contact with him
Is a flower missed about to bloom
A song unsung or with no tune
Every day he is denied her presence, she is denied his love.
Farther-Daughter bond diminished to a weekly payment (centrelink dot gov)
And if we're talking numbers, the 50:50 care
That was always part of their routine they shared
comes to nothing in the end when
Her smile, her love and her
are all withheld
A hope given and then burned
A good-bye kiss with no return
Every day that passes
him passes her
Every time the law fails a father
it fails a child.
Alison your husbands story is a classic example, which thousands go through with those maggots at csa. I was hit with back pay of around 2 thousand dollars because my ex said that i didn't have my son for the 51 nights,even though I had the airfare tickets to prove it. I even had a confirmation email from my ex that he was staying with me over Christmas period. I gave the csa the evidence .a week or so later,to my relief, i wad told by csa that the back pay is dropped. Few weeks later I was told that my ex is taking the case to the tribunal. She submitted bogus statutory declarations from her girlfriends and one from her mother,which wasn't even jp signed or stamped, stating that i didn't have my son over the Christmas period . I received a letter from the csa tribunal that i will need to pay the back pay and i also lost my reduction based on the 51 nights care.
So there you go people, all the best of luck dealing with those parasites. Please note this also took a huge toll on my relationship with my wife as well. I have custody court orders but csa would not use them . instead they took the bogus evidence from a bunch of girlfriends and my ex mother in law .
I did try to fight it but got nowhere with it.
Maybe some domestic violence needs to be dished out to enforce these court orders?. Wishful thinking. ...
I just want to say keep your chin up they can try to screw you all they want but eventually the cow they milk for $$$ will run dry everyone eventually becomes a adult.
The best of luck to anyone that has to deal with this appalling agency.
I had the same experience. I requested copies of the calls, but the important ones had disappeared. I had the exact date, time and duration of the calls from my mobile log, but they couldnt find them.