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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
You are correct. Telephone conversation with these cunts in the CSA only assist them.
I requested copies of all my voice recordings. A vast majority were delivered but the important ones have disappeared. Apparently they cannot find them. Bullshit. Don't trust these cunts to look after the conversations. If you do you will be sorry. Tell the fucks to put it in writing.
A FOI request for the other parties conversation received an answer that they only had 1 page which they were not going to give to me. Yet in the document they produced for the AAT there were multiple pages. They are a bunch of lying fucks.
I had a brief relationship with someone raised in a dole bludging family who was looking for a sperm donor with a pot of gold so she could continue the family tradition. I fell into her trap and this dirty little dole bludger was able to put her grubby little fingers in my salary pot. (She was employer but she quit to live on the dole)
The CSA are just a bunch of dumb government cunts that don't care about the damage they are doing. Nothing will change because there is no united stand by fathers against the government and these cunts. They drove me to the verge of suicide or killing someone.
It all boils down to money. And if money is the common factor and the problem then if you are in a position to do so then the alternative is to loose the money pot and ultimately the stress. No money pot no problems. This is the only way for my child to have a father. The fucking state can pay.
This means the wife gets the major assets and then you support them for many years and likely you will be renting with no future of a life as you have been hit twice.
Oh yes my wife is CPA qualified, speaks two languages and chooses not to work.
the law is not fair
You need your ex partner to AGREE for the lump sum to be set aside for assessment purposes. I wish you all the best with that mate.
Can any one please explain if a final payout from a superannuation - a one time payment and not a monthly income - is CSA right in taking my superannuation benefits on my retirement to treat as a taxable income and asking me pay this 30K. Are they correct. Can anyone URGENTLY help me on this as i want to know the real status before i take the phone and talk to CSA. Your help be highly appreciated. Thanks
U can start court action on your own its all on the family court web site should cost about $1100 maybe less
My partner was paying csa for 14yrs for a kid that wasnt his so he went to court and asked for DNA took 2 yrs to do it but the court ruled his way and classed the kid as not his cause the mother refused the test so no more CSA payments. As for CSA themselfs if u ring and tell them to hold of payments as you are in the middle of a court case they will hold of till the court case is over
The Child Support Agency launched a court case against a man who had just lavished more than $17,000 on his daughters because the money did not flow through the federal government agency.
Has she lodged tax returns? If yes then zero chance. If no then there is a slight chance but theres nothing you could do (or need to do) for a reassessment. It can only be acted upon once lodged.
I've had them lie directly to me and call on mobile phones that cannot be monitored 'because it is easier' and increase assessments when I have told them that I was in between jobs which was proven true.
I eventually received $0 payment assessment response for the same period 4 years later. Requested call records for the mobile calls have never eventuated. They have also incorrectly estimated my payments by $8000 and I was proven right later.
I have a 200+ page record now made a few years ago where CSA complaints were finally printed out after a year of insistent case escalation.
The only method I use now to hold the CSA account with their utter f^&kery is:
1. Record all phone calls. Inform them upfront that you are recording their phone calls. CSA will complain or hang up on you. Call back, if they hang up again then call the CSA complaints line and repeat. Always get the sequence number at the end of the call and it is a breach if it is not provided.
Check your state laws and ignore any claims by the CSA frontline droids that you need warrant. My bank needs no warrant to record my call for 'training' purposes as they inform me upfront too.
Relevant Legislation - Section 7:
CSA will never retrieve old calls even if the sequence number is provided to confirm past conversations. Keep your copy instead.
2. Request that you are on the written correspondence list only. They don't like this but it is a requirement since not every CSA customer will have phone and you should be able to be treated equally. Do not answer any private number phones calls - ever.
3. Screen capture any emails sent to the CSA with the submitted sequence number issues after the email is sent. They have 'never' responded to any of my sent emails.
4. As I am a CSA 'customer' then I expect good service. Escalate any issues while recording up the chain of CSA command. Failing that go to the complaints line, failing that to your local member which is useful in a election period. This worked for me.
5. Document all calls and correspondence in a diary.
If I suspect any breach of legislation then I make it clear that I will take legal action and the CSA correspondence will be used as evidence in any court action.
I have two children that have suffered parental alienation and they don't talk to me any more courtesy of lies against me. The ex- uses this as a tool to extract more time and hence CSA payments.
The ex's payout bought her another home which is rented to her brother. Repeated requests to the CSA to investigate these under the table payments based on the market value of the property have not ever been actioned.
My new assessment is $25k per year for one child under 18 years now.
All of these things are just to keep them honest and its a headache but needs to be done. I've heard enough off-the-cuff CSA lies and comments. I get better results now.
CSA aggression is no doubt in my mind the leading cause of male suicide for the 30-45 yr old age bracket.
I wish you all well in your fights against the most corrupt and inept government organisation that is allowed to continue unchecked.
Stay strong all. The scourge of CSA %^&*'s will leave you alone one day ...........
Hold them accountable even if it means more work.
Someone who grew up with the only aspiration of obtaining a high school certificate, or as close to it as they could get.
Someone who then seeks a sheltered paper pushing, fat assed job with the government.
Someone that puts greater effort into getting out of work than doing the work properly.
Someone who goes on strike to demand more pay for their lack of effort.
In a nut shell. These are dumb assed morons that are lazy and have no ambition. When they see someone that has succeeded in life and has a salary conciderably greater than theirs their narrow little minds get jealous and they conspire to bring them down using laws concocted by other morons in government.
The irony is that someone has put these dip shits in charge and has allowed them to destroy the lives of others(People who are motivated, have self pride and who are beneficial to society) unlike these rodents in the CSA.
The AAT is probably funded by the government and if so is not going to bite the hand that feeds it and as such cannot be seen as independent.
Ignoring for a minute the lies told by the other side, which were accepted as fact, and the ignoring of evidence presented by myself, which appear to be standard operating procedure, I am still amazed at the inaccuracies in the AAT decision. They get facts completely wrong, dates wrong, figures wrong. Child care percentages, which have appeared on CSA documentation for months, are incorrectly stated in the AAT decision.
This extremely bias system has enabled another vindictive mother to carry on with what she does often and best.
Time to get over it now, love my family and be glad that I am not her.
If anyone is thinking of using the Chid support help agencies that canvass on these sites, be aware that the $1000 they charge will only get you a letter written. After that you are pretty much on your own, as calls will be ignored.
Anyway, time to look after my self, pay my ridiculous amount of CS, and manage the best I can.
Good luck to all out there.
This would mean that the sum of the school fees would come out of what I pay her.
She rejected the offer and so did the csa. You gotta love choice:)
Trevor, could not agree with you more.
Once a child earns $14,000 a year Centrelink payment to the custodial parent are stopped. This is also true for a said figure in a trust account for the child.
Once a child earns $400 per week or more the child can be deemed self sufficient and the "paying parent' can just write to the CSA and the child support case is closed.
If either parent (custodial or Non custodial) can show proof that they are paying for expenses for the child such as School expenses,Tutor fees,guitar lessons,football,soccer etc, these cost's can be taken from your child support payment.I find that both the receiving parent &the paying parent all say it's not about the money it's about the best interests of my child.Therefore, if it is put in writing for all to see amongst the parents that dad /whoever wants to set up a trust account to be paid into for"the Child" that is to go to him / her at 18or wants to send him/her to a tutor/ guitar lessons or whatever&pay for it &wants said amount to be taken off the child support. It can be done...you approach your ex in writing with said plan...in order to achieve said plan your ex has to notify CSA that they are going into a private collection arrangement and no longer wish to have CSA collect on their behalf...at this point CSA will close the case. CSA will not collect any unpaid child support that has not been paid when the case is not on the books...it doesn't matter how much it is. Also centrelink is opposed to paying people for their children when they have other options. If your ex refuses there is written proof that you wanted to set your child up for their future and that you did show to your child &your ex that you did have the best interest of the child at heart.At the very least the one who really has the best interest of the child at heart is exposed as is the one that is only in it for the money...plus those of you that are pissed about giving the money to your ex because you don't think it's going to your child...no longer have that dilemma because if you set up the trust account or tutor or whatever You are the trustee for Little Joanie or Jimmy & or are documented as paying towards the child
if you do not have your own company that you can organise some casual employment for your child through...then they can not get paid work until they are 14/9 months but if you have a " Family Business" they can work in it from 11 years old. If you are the trustee of the childs bank account...it is your account
you pay tax on any interest it earns etc...BUT the custodial parent has to declare that this trust account exists and it reduces the amount of centrelink payments they can get or cuts them out altogether at a certain amount. Get creative people &put your kids best interests first...why not pay 1,000 a term for a Maths and English tutor that will get them along way& help them,then not have to pay that to your ex. Also get more involved at your kids school,with their teachers...go to book week...go to the classroom visits and attend all the parent teacher nights, the soccer and netball games..manage and coach the team etc..., this will make you number one in your kids eyes & those that have influence on them. For those who want to get the kids visiting more buy a puppy send the kids a pic, ask them when they are coming over to name it& play with it.
You need to become "Disneyland Mum or Dad"
No if the company is not in your name BUT you own it than they cant get money from it CSA can only take money from your own bank accounts NOT a company bank account
Csa states that until a child becomes self supporting eg has a job own income or starts to pay tax then the paying parent is no longer required to pay child support UNLESS that child is still in full time study Or the paying parent has a debt with CSA then he will still have to pay until debt is cleared with them
Surely she is NOW independent / emancipated
He has never been allowed access to the kids , he has no money to go to court all the time, the end results speak for themselves, his little girl is pregnant. I think it's ridiculous to expect him to remain responsible for a child that has a child.
He reckons child support has told him he has to pay until she is eighteen.. really ?? is that true?
I cannot figure out why the family court of injustice continue to award mothers custody over the fathers, even when it is proven the father is a better parent and can supply the child with a better home environment.
The only reasoning I come up with is that judges are still living in the past where dad went to work and supported the family financially and mum stayed at home and gave the emotional support.
Guess what, times have changed, most couple have to work now to pay off a house, there are stay at home dads, fathers are now more invested in their children on all levels.
And, most of all as I see it. Men give life to children, it is OUR sperm that starts the spark of life, otherwise every month that potential life is just flushed away, biological fact.
I hear it all the time from women "my child" it's not your child b@&ch it's ours. Your were just the incubator and suffer from golden uterus syndrome. Www.genderratic.net
I do find the system unfair, but you have to fight it. I;ve spent countless hours dealing with them on lunchbreaks when it's the only chance I can talk. I've had them knock back COA's a bunch of times, but I didn't give up. It was a lot of money, so it was worth fighting. There's very little to support men through the mental and financial hardship that comes with separation/divorce - not to mention the worry about kids growing up without their dads, and with the alienation that comes with it.
Maybe it's time the corporate world started putting some money back into men's services; training and support programs; helping them understand the systems so they get some support.
you made me laugh anyway. ask mr spellcast to rid Australia of a theif called CSA
Not only did the CSA use my 2015 earnings plus the redunancy payout to base my payments on(which is like $1960 a month for one child!!!) my USA earnings also have everything added to it like the hire car they let me use, the rent they pay for the unit im in,Airfares etc everything they pay for me to stay and work goes on top of your earnings so my $100k job shows up like $200k earnings. the system sucks
The tax office has received $189 mil to implement this program. Each and every time you get paid it is automatically reported to the ATO/CSA.
Compulsory start for a company with over 20 employees on 1 July 2018.
Please bend over a little more fellas, the reaming is about to get worse.
So all those that are not declaring their income, or delay doing their tax returns, will be exposed. YAY to us fathers whose ex's are rauting the system and draining us. They won't be able to hide any more.
It will NEVER change in this country don't waste you energy fighting this contrived system. Instead focus on your own life and not waste your time on things that will drive you up the wall and you can't change. Why do you think so many guys take their own life? So many people a killed because of this injustice? So many children torn apart . Your kids will always be your kids no matter what and one day they will come to know the truth. It's painful not having them but your pain and anger can only be overcome by peace in your own heart and life , otherwise what else is left sorrow?drugs/alcohol all leading to misery. Beat the system and don't let it beat you, and stay alive...
Sorry but a custody agreement is worth nothing and so is a useless court order.
All my ex had to do was convince/bribe the children.
Eg. Two weeks of school holiday, my weekend the last weekend of said school holiday - not overnight by this stage. Phone call Friday night by my youngest son, "hi dad, not coming this weekend cos mum has organised a sleep over for me"
Of course she did, can't even breach her for contravention cos they just say "it's what the child wanted"
Yes Suzy, they ignore your tax return and hit you with "potential earnings".
They then use this figure even if your not earning it and you pay support on the amount they deem you COULD earn.
My ex put in a complaint on my reduced earnings, CSA agreed with her even though I had A mental health program and regular visits with my doctor, my mental health didn't matter to them, this then left me with a large CSA debt.
Men, stop having children until Australia recognises us as equals in this arena
mediatible yet I would not be given the reasons why it is so due to confidentiality. I choose not to proceed to court and further disturb the wellbeing of my children who I love dearly and desire in my life. She has worked with the
Gustarpo CSA to ensure I continue to play slave while she achieves maximum family support benefits and maximum contribution from fulltime working father. I have been assessed by the Gustarpo as earning $96000 per annum when I have declared $26000. I have lodged 2 requests for reassessment both of which failed as none of the points I made were acknowledged as the CSA simply act to reduce the burden on the government without regard for the complexities
of individual family circumstances. I choose to painfully cut my losses and live life. I have taken financial steps to secure my resources and assets. I do not communicate to the Gustapo and I take advantage of the new life that has presented itself to me. In my dreams I hug and kiss my children and allow the potential future relationship to my children to unfold as it will. In the end this is my life and I will not allow others destroy it.
When I separated from my ex, I had it on the separation agreement IE "The child primarily will reside with the mother with the father having minimum 2 nights overnight access every fortnight and additional nights/access as agreed as long as 24 hours advance notice/ request is given to the mother" I actually was the one who put it in there. Also, I'd be interested to hear what everyone thinks the 'Cost of a Child" is per week?
RE: your question when did I go back to work. I worked up until two weeks before my son was born and I went back to work when he was 6 weeks old.
I never stopped working, I worked full time from 15years old. I met my sons father at 30.I owned a house in QLD a sports car. + had money in the bank. He had nothing. He had a daughter from a previous marriage. He never took his daughter overnight when I met him,...he blamed his ex for this, However, once I set up a bedroom and bed for his daughter in our home his ex gladly allowed us to have his daughter overnight 5 times a fortnight,(I wanted her for half the school holidays...her father didn't) I sold my house in QLD and my sports car to purchase another house and a four door car so we get his daughter, our baby son us the car, I then bought a Sydney house with the money from the sale of my QLD house and my bank accounts and borrowed $300,000 from the bank. We struggled to get the loans (3 applications with 3 different lender at $650 per application which I also paid) due to his poor credit rating, but was successful in the end due to my good one. He did not pay one rates bill, electricity or phone bill, or petrol bill, car service etc...in this time, he occasionally made a mortgage payment never half around a 3rd of it. Where did his money go? He was a pothead...he smoked nearly his entire salary...Hence the reason I broke up with him after 10 months of buying the house and 2 months after buying the car.
I had now gone from no debt owning a house in QLD, having money in the bank and a sports car...to having a $305,000 debt and a six month old baby on my hip. As only 10 months had transpired from owning the house it was not worth anymore than I paid for it. Still I gave 'Him" some money sent him on his way /took nothing from him. I can assure you, I used to have to beg him to come and see his son and he often would say he was coming to see him and wouldn't show up. Or when he did show up he was stoned off his head. Eventually (3 years later) he lost his bong and found a bible...He used to quote various psalms...even this didn't change things. Even when he did bother to come and pick up his son he would bring him back early...a few times when my son was 9 I came home to find my son on my front balconey by himself because his father had dropped him off early and not told me, when I rang him and asked how he could leave our son on the balconey by himself, he sited that it was to teach him a lesson for not having a house key and to make him remember it in the future...I reiterate my son was 9 at the time. On paper my ex owes me over $40,000 in child support...but I never tried to collect it as I never put the case through child support. 16 years and 3 months later, now that he is having our son 10 nights a fortnight (our son is now employed full time), so I requested he take him as it is easier for him to get to work from his fathers place. I find out why he agreed a few days after...He had now lodged a claim through child support for $228 per WEEK...which child support warrants as they do not lay claim to any child support that is unpaid that wasn't being collected by them in the first place....even though their records show that he owes me over $40,000. I did what I thought was right at the time and in the best interests of my son, but 16 years later it has come back and bit me.
DHS office in Perth has door that open themselves at the push of a button. Why is the DHS wasting tax payers money installing these doors. Cant you staff use door handles. Are they incompetent or are you just wasting money.
I don't see other offices in Perth wasting money like this
How much does it cost to maintain these doors.
Why do you need so many offices Campbell
Where are those copies of your face that I requested Cmpbell
Make sure your tax returns only return small amounts so if they intercept your return, who cares. Long story but due to a biased ruling I had a CSA debt and they intercepted a nice tax refund I desperately needed
Also, don't have anything in your name, then if they take out a warrant of seizure and sale the sheriff is unable to take anything
Protect yourself against these bastards
When its a man family violence is splattered all over the TV with politicians getting involved.
This is the way the media conditions the way society thinks.
Get them to put it in writing. If they are hassling you at work lodge a complaint with worksafe. Bullying and Harassment is against the OH&S laws.
Drew have you received a change of assessment and have you lodged a change of assessment form. its still a one sided process but at least you will have it in writing which may be useful later.
Based on my experience this organisation appears to think they can operate above the law and don't have to provide reasons or to justify their actions. If they do provide a reason it is usually meaningless garbage which these arrogant civil servants expect you to accept and they wont elaborate when questioned. Bit like the KGB and Gestapo.
I'm still waiting for many FOI requests and for them to justify there actions.