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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Stephen from Queensland, Australia on January 12, 2017 @ 6:09 pm
    I am at my wits end with CSA , I am sick of getting letters stating I have x days to call as you have not been able to get hold of me to date. These letters are BS as they have my mobile number email address and yet I get nothing , when I call and ask to be advised of the times and dates they apparently tried but could not get hold of me apparently they don't have that information , I for once would also like to speak to some one who can understand and clearly speak English. I have never had so much frustration trying to understand someone.
    By: DM from WA, Australia on January 11, 2017 @ 8:48 pm
    Concerned Wife - I am hearing you. SImilar story here. Luckily your partner has you to look out for him. Just don't ever let on to the ex anything about mental health, they use it against you as I found out. As if a highly emotional situation is not supposed to affect you, of course it would affect anyone.
    I know it is little comfort but the kids will come back when they are older and have control of their own lives, so long as it is only positive talk from you guys. As sad as it is, life changes forever in divorce and the parent you hoped to be is no longer what you can be. But you still have control over the parent you are when the kids are with you. Look out for that man of yours like you have been doing. Best of luck to you.
    By: Shell from Vic, Australia on January 11, 2017 @ 7:22 pm
    Tanya and Concerned wife
    Could you 2 please write to Pauline Hanson as we have done. I am in exactly the same situation and have watched my husband go through hell for 15 years his ex did exactly the same once the kids got to 13 that was it.
    Pauline Hanson, Derry hunch and any others you can think of need to know about what goes on. This affects our relationships as well and if you 2 have children to your husbands it is our kids that miss out
    Please I beg you to write to them. If you scroll further down you will see a few letters we have written
    Many Thanks
    Shell
    By: concerned wife from VIC, Australia on January 10, 2017 @ 11:08 pm
    HI,
    I wish I could do something for all these men being wrongly charged. My husband has been a 50/50 dad for most of his boys lives since we have been together, nearly 10 years. The boys are now 13 and 15 and their mother has manipulated them into not wanting to stay with their dad anymore. This has almost driven my husband to suicide. To make things worse, she is a Physiologist and runs her own practise, so you can see how she could get to her own kids heads. My husband would drive 6 hr round trip when they were little just to watch them get an award at school. He has been there for them ALWAYS. one son has not spoken to his dad for over 3 months now and i see the devastation in my husbands face. The older boy has just started texting his dad and catching up for dinner. To rub salt in the wound, the ex has now told child support she has care 100%. Although this is true, it is NOT what my husband wants, and she won't tell the boys to even call their dad. She lives in an $800,000 house, has her own practise, goes on overseas holidays every year, owns 2 cars, 2 harley's, caravan, boat just to name a few toys. while my husband and I have rented since we got together, because we can't afford to even go away for the weekend and she claims she only makes $30,000 a year. It sux. We both work full time jobs and try to do the best we can, but we are being screwed over. Yes, this is my side of the story but why can't assets from both parties play a part and both parties living circumstances, also the net wage not the gross wage???? I am sooooo frustrated that I cannot help my hubby's emotional state being away from his boys and now them having a choice, they don't want to see their dad because we can't afford to do anything with them.
    By: Tanya (me) from VIC, Australia on January 10, 2017 @ 10:59 pm
    I feel for all men and am supporting my husband at this difficult time for him. Only 4 years left of paying a ridiculous amount of money. We struggle, while she lives the million dollar life.
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on January 10, 2017 @ 8:00 pm
    Hi to all paying parents. csa /family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new stolen generation and domestic violence.
    Just had some thoughts about spreading some awareness, since as some of you ,here, talk about taking some action.
    The saying goes "people power "right.
    All the writing to mp's and media dont work ,these pompous people don't care. They're the cause not the solution.
    So I humbly propose to get as many of us suffering souls and to create the most outrageous/crazy,loud spectacle this country has ever seen. Block the Sydney hubour bridge with about 1000 people chained together and mad as hell. With banners and loud pa systems. This might sound crazy but i bet this would create shock waves. And if they dont listen then do it again until change comes about.
    Revolution dreaming.
    By: Selina from Qld, Australia on January 10, 2017 @ 7:05 pm
    Hello fellow Father and Mothers of this disgusting system.

    Do we have a petition at change.org or anywhere, I have noticed a lot of people have sent in letters to members, but there is nothing coming back and no real indication that anyone is really listening.

    What collectively can we all do, we have been all screwed over by the system and our ex's we need action now.

    Let's get some ideas together before they start resitting soon.

    I know this is a men's site, but hardworking people either men or women that have kids with an evil Ex, have just the same problems.

    Everyone keep your heads held high and proud don't let them get to you.

    Selina.

    1580. By: Aimee Isaac from Queensland, Australia on January 10, 2017 @ 10:24 am
    Hi, I know I'm a woman on the mans csa site and I think there are mothers who are not mothers and fathers who are not fathers. It should be 50/50 on custody, daycares, schooling everything. However the rules also kick the good mothers in the face not just the good fathers who honestly care about there kids. For fathers who ditch and run they use the information these sites provide to do the wrong thing by the children and mother too. The government laws are a double edged sword. I dont get child support havent for years, I DONT get government assistant for DAYCARE because of his wage and when someone finally tracked him he ran everything off to pretty much no wages. which i dont know if that made me happy or mad.. 1. I finally dont have to pay the full $140 a day for child care so I can work but 2. still ment I pay 100% of everything and 100% care. I tried to give 50/50 but he got a new gf and I got told Ill slamb the door in her face if she shows on the step. I do NOT think child support is unfair or take all your money, I know men paying stupid amounts of money to a mother without csa telling them too.. My ex was on 130,000 a yr and was told he need to pay 600 a month which he didnt, when he got to almost 20,000 they chased him up. He then claimed to make 25,000 a yr so went to 35 a month which he still dosent pay. Im the 1st too fight for fair n the child come 1st.. if you deny the father access he shouldnt pay for anything until you share the children, if the father dosent pay she should get all gov benifits and he shouldnt be allowed to see them. Maybe my situation is different to most but trying to do the right thing for my daughter pretty much put me in the situation where I get screwed by the government laws too.
    By: Pesa from WA, Australia on January 9, 2017 @ 11:19 pm
    Hi Robbed thanks for the advice I was getting worried because I know the x she will apply for as long as she can to receive child support money. I am hoping next year the end of school year that will be it for me. If she applies for continued support for uni I will indeed fight her.
    By: Robbed from VIC, AUST on January 9, 2017 @ 11:10 pm
    Pesa,

    The parent with care can apply for payments after a child is 18 until the end of the final year of school. E.g. If the child turns 18 in April 2017 and school finishes November 2017 then they want you to pay until November 2017. I was also told by a Solicitor they can apply for more payments after that if a child does further study e.g. University... but you can argue that the child is capable of earning an income… it would be very rare that someone would be required to pay after the final year of school.… Make an effort to find out the final day school finishes (call the school) and make sure the asssessment finishes the same day, otherwise, write and complain.
    By: Concerned Partner from Vic, Australia on January 9, 2017 @ 10:39 am
    Is it Debra, or is it Beverley? Lol
    By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 8, 2017 @ 11:16 pm
    Dear Concerned parent
    Just remember....you are information to them....everything you say is recorded....even while you are on hold. Your voice print is recorded so they keep a file so even if you deny who you say you are on the phone your voice print gives you away.
    They have gone through your background without your knowledge as they did with my wife. We found out through a freedom of information request.

    As it is you are the only way they get to your husband if he wont talk to them.

    Remove that access!

    Please don't stress....its a game. You are in a great position to use your company to your benefit. People on wages don't have the luxury that we have.
    By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 8, 2017 @ 11:02 pm
    Dear concerned parent
    To answer
    1. No it is illegal. Just cut contact with them. YOU DON'T NEED TO TALK TO THEM OR ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR HUSBAND'S DEBT. YOU MEAN NOTHING TO THEM!
    If they cannot contact him....then they need to find another way. Don't put yourself in the middle. Your husband can ignore them and they can do squat. Just document your husbands ( legal )finances to be used at a later....much later date.
    2. I am sure you can claim a percentage without even asking the ex wife but as I haven't in the past I'm not sure. Maybe someone on this forum knows more.
    3. As it has NOTHING to do with you you CAN'T get into trouble. Remember it is NOT your debt and as such have no responsibility to pay.
    Finally.....give them NOTHING...!!
    The worst they can do to him is stop him leaving the country. Everything they do and say to you is bullying bluff and coercion. They cannot jail him. The law does not allow jail time for not paying Child Support. I have been there.
    It's a game....treat it as such. They can't get blood from a stone....then again if you can't pay....don't. Like I said....the worst is a DPO, and that means nothing if you don't want to leave the country.
    My email is bennetpl@bigpond.net.au if you want to PM me and I will give you my mobile.
    By: Pesa from WA, Australia on January 8, 2017 @ 9:52 pm
    My child turns 18 next year does anyone know if it stops because I have been googling and reading about Adult child maintenance!! That's crap if we still gotta pay after. Unfair.
    By: Concerned Partner from Vic, Australia on January 8, 2017 @ 5:04 pm
    Dear Neil

    Thank you for your reply and advice. Much appreciated. After seeing what they were capable of and taking what little money we had that time I am just frightened they will do it again.

    1. can they take money from a company / Trust account purely because he works for it without pay? She kept asking me why he works full time without pay, I explained purely because the business cannot afford to pay him. We have employee's and we need them so they are paid first and foremost. Naturally we hope things pick up so he can get paid :)

    2. Any way we can fight them on the amounts already paid directly to child, even though they have rejected them because the mother said she didnt accept it. And even though the child told us that the mother would take any money the child had in her bank account, even an inheritance she received.

    3.Will we get in trouble if we now go back on what I have agreed to? I have already paid them from my business as she bullied me into a payment up front and agreeing to an ongoing montly payment which i had explained we cannot afford. I offered her the same amount weekly that he used to be billed for so i figured that would be ok. She said no, they wouldnt accept that? She knows our financial situation as i explained oit all, even breaking it down to what i get paid and the fact that majority goes straight into rent. She has put it in her diary to call me in a months time to find out how I am going with sale of business and or getting loan to pay out debt. She told me usually in this situation the partner will obtain a loan to pay it off. It hard to know what to say and what not to say because i dont know our rights so i do appreciate your feedback.

    I was about to send them proof of having no money left after we sold the house because she questioned why we didnt pay our debt to CSA when we sold the house. The minimal amount we came out of sale with went straight into a rental which we are in now. I was also going to send a cover letter detailng once again our situation, what damage the CSA have already done and the frustrations we have faced with this debt and payments not recogised because the mother denied it.

    I was about to send them proof of having no money left after we sold the house. The minimal amount we came out of sale with went straight into a rental which we are in now. I was also going to send a cover letter detailng once again our situation, what damage the CSA have already done and the frustrations we have faced with this debt and payments not recogised because the mother denied it.
    By: SG66 from WA, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 11:52 pm
    Well done everyone!!
    Great advice Neil thank's mate..
    Will please mate if you need a chat and to be able to vent some of the shit your going through call me
    0419926521 more than happy mate to help.
    Remember bud you are not alone.

    My F'n Demon just tried to have me arrested again for a text that my Mother (the kids Grandmother) send my x 4 kids on my phone..
    Keep up the fight Will, we are here for you mate.

    DJ great idea mate I'm onto them too, keep up the fight mate.

    Remember everyone if you need a chat about anything call me or text me and I will get back to you.

    It's only together that we will have a voice for change...

    Be strong everyone...

    Shane
    By: DJ from WA, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 8:12 pm
    All of our stories need to be told in the media 4 corners, a current affair etc. our suffering needs to stop. This organisation has too much power if it can take money from an account in a partners name or drive people to the edge.
    Will from Q'land hang in there mate don't do anything rash.
    1570. By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 8:12 pm
    Will
    Chin up. Your family loves you.

    It CSA conflict WILL end eventually....I am out the other side of 20 years of courts, jail threats attempted jailing's DPO's etc. etc. now and it does get better.

    My kids x 4 still love me and that's all I need to know and as they are older now...26-32.. they understand what I went through.

    It WILL end....please make sure you are there at the end...your kids need you.

    By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 8:02 pm
    Dear concerned partner.
    DO NOT TALK TO THEM.....IT IS NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY....YOU ARE NOT THE CHILD'S MOTHER. CUT ALL CONTACT.

    DO NOT GIVE THEM A CENT OF YOUR MONEY.

    What they have done in taking money from a joint account is illegal.

    As the business is in YOUR name you owe them NOTHING.
    Recsind your offer in writing as YOU owe them nothing. The "debt" is your husbands. Do not give them ANY information.
    Take your husband's name off your pay account immediately.
    The only account your husband van use is an Company account attached to YOUR company. They legally cannot touch a company account.
    Please see a GOOD accountant and ask him to tailor your affairs behind the company as a firewall to protect against the CSA
    Do it ASAP
    By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 8:02 pm
    Dear concerned partner.
    DO NOT TALK TO THEM.....IT IS NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY....YOU ARE NOT THE CHILD'S MOTHER. CUT ALL CONTACT.

    DO NOT GIVE THEM A CENT OF YOUR MONEY.

    What they have done in taking money from a joint account is illegal.

    As the business is in YOUR name you owe them NOTHING.
    Recsind your offer in writing as YOU owe them nothing. The "debt" is your husbands. Do not give them ANY information.
    Take your husband's name off your pay account immediately.
    The only account your husband van use is an Company account attached to YOUR company. They legally cannot touch a company account.
    Please see a GOOD accountant and ask him to tailor your affairs behind the company as a firewall to protect against the CSA
    Do it ASAP
    By: Concerned Partner from Vic, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 7:11 pm
    Hi Guys
    Sorry this is LONG! First time poster…..
    I am the partner and contactee on his behalf with CSA as he just won’t answer his phone to private numbers, so they now call me. I need some advice so I don’t say the wrong thing or make the wrong move. We have a large CSA debt and it 50% fees and the rest Child support. The problem is, up until his child turned about 9 it was ok, we were paying the support. Then they had a falling out and she took off with child interstate for about 4 years which we knew nothing about it as he wasn’t allowed to see his child and could not communicate with his ex. She got CSA involved and upon child and mother returning to our state and us re-establishing relationship with child we started helping out the teenage child the best way we thought and that was paying for things for child. Phone credit, money for clothes, food etc. The child hardly attended school and was rarely at home also lived with us for a portion of the time because they were fighting with mum. Child is now over 18 and the debt still remains. We have informed them dollar for dollar what we have given to child and they asked the mother permission to use that as CSA payment. she of course declined because she is a money grubber. She was claiming full pension, working and running small business and living with her new boyfriend. We did help her by providing for the child so the child didn’t have to ask her for anything. We even asked to purchase a car for child in lieu of paying this debt, mother declined Child still has no car. we wanted to give the child head start and help them. so now we are required to pay the full amount even though we have already paid it or a good portion of it directly to child. CSA rang me 2 day before xmas (thanks CSA) and gave me until 3rd January to come up with an offer for payment arrangement, of course my offer was knocked back even though it was more than what his weekly payments were calculated at anyway! I spoke to a new case manager, who says she’s in ‘litigation’. She threatened all kinds of things.
    One day I went to use my bank card which was an account in both mine and my partners name and it declined. I knew I had money in there as I checked account before I left home (before smart phones) Then I receive an email from one of the builders stating that CSA have instructed them that if any money is owing to him (a sole trader) that it was to be sent to them. So two days before xmas, with CSA taking everything we had and now the builders thinking we are scum, we had no work on the horizon.
    I explained to her that due to CSA's methods we lost our house (had no money coming in to pay mortgage), lost all work We ended up fighting hard and doing what we could to survive and purchased an established business which meant immediate payment and no more chasing up builders or payments etc . How did CSA know who we did work for? I’ll never know!! This new business was put into both our names and under a company / trust.
    Turns out the seller fudged the figures and we were ripped off  so for over 4 years now my man has slaved away and worked his guts out to provide a roof over our heads without pay! The business got transferred to my name because he couldn’t handle all the pressure and took off for a bit. We are lucky he came back in one piece.
    So I’ve accepted their counter offer on a monthly payment plan and offered to pay in full once we sell a portion of our business. Problem is, my partner doesn’t agree with that and wants to remain on payment plan and not pay it out in full because we need that money to rebuild our lives. Where I just want CSA gone out of our lives.

    They have also threatened that even though the business and everything else is in my name that they cant get court order and take what they want from our business . She also asked if I can use business money to pay the debt, borrow from business. I explained that the business is running at a loss and we have a revolving door, money in, money straight out! We have employees and of course ourselves to support. I’m not prepared to risk either for a debt they say we still have.
    What are my rights? Is there any way to fight for at least a reduction due to what we have already paid out directly to child? Is it worth fighting it? My only fear right now is how far they will/can go because as I was on the phone to her she was asking about transactions I had made with business account which there is no way she’d know unless she was looking at the statements! How are they allowed to do that? Its not even in my partners name. Of course this all came about when she was asking me to pay with business money and I explained we didn’t have any money hidden anywhere, not in business and not in personal. I hope now she sees that is true she will leave my business alone.
    Another thing is, we have a personal joint bank account and the only money that goes in there is MY pay. My partner does not receive any pay from anywhere!
    I appreciate any advice and to all you guys out there doing it tough, stay strong!

    By: Will from Qld, Australia on January 7, 2017 @ 2:36 pm
    Well they have done it I am fully emotionally broken. They have fully drained me of all motivation and thought. I fill like a complete reck and no good to my new family. I don't even have the energy to get mad or give a shot about my self or wellbeing any more. I have given up. Thank u guys for the support u have all given me. Take care all
    By: Observer from Vic, Australia on January 6, 2017 @ 1:22 pm
    One other tip: do not give the staff at the CSA ANY telephone number either - on top of not disclosing an email address.

    This forces them to contact you by mail at all times.

    And if they ask in a telephone conversation for your employer's details, decline that too. They may even ask for your occupation: that is another question you can politely decline to answer.

    Mailing everything (including forms) back rather than emailing is the way to go.
    By: Observer from Victoria , Australia on January 6, 2017 @ 1:18 pm
    Many comments on here are 'venting' which is understandable, but some objective analysis would be better.

    If you are commencing to deal with the Child Support Agency, try NOT to give it your email address. Minimise your telephone contact with staff.

    Insist that the agency mails you everything. Mail written objections, if applicable using the forms on the Human Services website that you should print out and return by mail, photocopying each page and keeping it in a file.

    This has been a successful strategy for me, as it forces staff to justify every action they take.

    Quite a few of the staff are probably fairly sympathetic to the majority of us who meet every request or demand for payment of child support, as there is a very substantial number (and percentage) who do not. At last count between 25 and 33 per cent of 'clients' (a word I dislike) were in arrears: some justifiably as the CSA has incorrectly assessed them; some because they refuse to pay it and in a few cases have moved assets (and themselves) overseas to be out of the Agency's grasp (until they try to return to Australia and upon leaving back to their new country find they have a departure prohibition order lodged against them.)

    Remember if you pay school fees to pay them directly to the school and not to the other parent. That way, upon you submitting a receipt and filling out the prescribed payments form, you can then each month pay only 70 per cent of your assessed CSA liability. Of course, in a typical CSA way, the agency never shows you the amount due if you paid 70 per cent of the monthly assessment: it merely states in a little box on the front of the invoice that this option is available if you have a 'prescribed payment' accepted.

    The other thing is to get your tax returns in promptly. If your income drops, this will assist in lowering your assessment.

    Dealing with the CSA by mail is the best tip I can give!
    By: SG66 from WA, Australia on January 5, 2017 @ 11:16 pm
    Hay everyone
    copy of the email to the minister for Human (Sacrifice) resources

    Your killing us and we know you know you are!!

    Minister Alan,

    You need to change your title to Minister for Human Suicides Mate!!

    This disgusting horrible system/industry that you have created through what you do and the Industry of PARENTAL ALIENATION through the so called "family court" is killing many many people.
    You look like quite a bright man however I'm sure that you have either been blinded or held back by the ones making the money from this atrocious system/industry to keep your mouth shut.
    If I can please ask you to grow some balls and help fix this one sided shit system or stand the hell down and let someone else fix it.
    HUMAN SERVICES --- BULL SHIT MATE
    GROW UP AND REALLY TRY TO HELP WILL YOU!!
    OR OPEN THE FUNERAL PARLOR AND MAKE MORE MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR CHILDREN AND THE ALIENATED PARENT..
    Your CSA should stand for Child Separation and Abuse ( or Alienation of parents) not Child support that's F'n just bullshit.!!!!

    So resign or f'n help mate.

    Shane
    Perth WA

    Fuck'm send one too will ya!!
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on January 5, 2017 @ 8:54 pm
    Hi to all paying parents, csa / family flaw, multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new stolen generation and domestic violence.
    Ian , I've had ,about seven years ago a private agreement with the ex. Only because her life was going well with mr right,also I offered to pay her weekly. She accepted ,even though it was around $20 less then going through csa. Well those csa maggots told her that they don't agree with it and that she can get more by collecting through them. Anyway the ex signed a form accepting the agreement. So it lasted about a year ,in which I kept every receipt of payment. Then the ex left mr right and her life went bad. So ,all she did was pick up the phone and call those maggots, the rest is history. Fast forward seven years to now and Im still paying top dollar and had my 52 nights care reduction removed ,cause my ex's mother and some random friends signed bogus statutory declarations claiming that i dont have my son for the 52 nights, even though I have airfare tickets + court orders!! to prove it!!, but csa maggots would not believe me. Iam a absent father even more so than before.Sometimes i wonder how lucky my ex is that im a law abiding citizen, only because my new family keeps me grounded, but what about those men ,who have lost it all, who get pushed to the edge ,for whom its too late to start again, what have they got to loose?.
    Rot in hell all solicitors and lodge politicians.
    By: Lyndon from Qld, Aus on January 4, 2017 @ 7:20 pm
    Just had laugh about debt letters being sent out from centrelink and its been driving people to near suicide. Ive been dealing with this from child support for ten years with debts if up to 70 thousand then only to have it corrected after a reveiw . Unfortunately if you have been ripping of the system just like my ex wife i have no sympathy
    1560. By: SG66 from WA, Australia on January 2, 2017 @ 10:44 pm
    A copy from your say..

    Hay Michael
    Stay strong mate.
    Do what you can for you!! Mate your kids will find out the truth and come back from the dark side.
    We have all seen this so many times they always come back to the right side.
    Just give them all the love you can when you do see them and they know mate who is the victim in what happened to you, me and all the other poor buggers out there, they know.
    Sometimes it takes a bit of reprogramming but they do know the truth deep down mate, deep down they do.
    They feel your love and your protection and they do know you will always be there for them.
    We still have to nurture our little ones into functioning loving humans.
    You need to make and keep them close as you can when you see them to fend off the poison but you can with your love mate.
    Your kids love you you know that.
    This fuck'n horrible system/industry is designed or has been to make you a Monster.
    You know who you are!!
    It's time to make a stand.
    I've started
    I've had calls back from the CSA and are so called human resources social worker department asking after my email I sent to them if I was suicidal and They seem to be disappointed because I wasn't.
    Stand up mate turn that Mad As Hell Anger to a positive for the poor baste reds that are fighting the Demon’s now and in the future.
    Fuck'm stand up.
    Remember the CSA stands for Child Separation and Abuse
    They have Absolutely no idea and don't care about what they do to anyone.(kids included.
    The family abuse court is also under the system/ management.
    As we all know.
    Look out I'm coming !! Who's with me??

    Shane
    0419 926 521
    Perth
    Call me for a chat mates if you need a boost.
    Stay Strong, Be mad as hell!!
    By: Ian King from QLD, Australia on January 2, 2017 @ 7:23 pm
    Hi Mark,

    The following web page will tell you how the Child Support Agency calculates the support amount :

    https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/working-out-child-support-payments-using-basic-formula

    You can also use the following calculator :

    https://processing.csa.gov.au/estimator/About.aspx

    The biggest factors when calculating child support are your and your ex's Income, and the number of nights your child spends with you each month (the Child Care Percentage).

    You are not obliged to go through the Child Support Agency, and can negotiate a Financial Plan with your ex instead if you both agree.

    If you do not already have one, I would suggest you and your ex also draw up a Parenting Plan.

    Take care
    Ian



    By: Mark from WA, Aus on January 2, 2017 @ 5:57 pm
    Hi,
    So the conversation had just been had between myself and the wife, Can anyone tell me how much I'm looking at in child support for a 3 year old boy?
    I've looked at various sites but can't see a percentage etc?
    Help?
    By: AJ from W.A, Australia on December 31, 2016 @ 8:00 pm
    My Letter to One Nation today:

    To: Senator Pauline Hanson
    Re: Changes to Federal Child Support Policies

    Dear Ms. Hanson,
    I write this letter to yourself because I have heard that your party may be reviewing child support practices and policy in future. I only want to give you an overview of my particular case, because at this time my two daughters are practically grown up, and I do not feel that I would have much longer to pay anyway.
    Firstly, I believe that what needs to be exposed, and make public, is the direct effect that this particular government policy has on levels of male suicide in Australia. I know, because in the past, I have been close myself.
    The past is the past of course, and cannot be changed. For me, this past has been me having my girls taken away without my knowledge, of being lied to consistently about both their location and their education and well-being, and of course numerous lies to my children, from their mother, about me and my family. This sort of behaviour has to stop.
    My girls have been consistently moved around Western Australia, at one stage living with a man whose son had been dealing in class A drugs. My ex speaks of the inconsistency that I have brought into the lives of my daughters, and yet she is the one who has always taken them away.
    For me, all of this culminated at the end of 2016, when my eldest daughter of 17, deliberately lied to my face regarding times and dates of her high school graduation. This was later put on social media, to portray me as a “Uncaring Bastard”.
    Finally, more recently I was happy to sign some paperwork so that my ex-wife could take my girls to Japan for a holiday in 2017. After signing, I have found out through various sources that the CSA have the ability to block my passport, so that I am unable to go on holiday. Where is the fairness in this?
    In the past, I have approached several media outlets about this, such as A Current Affair. But it seems that they only want to talk about “deadbeat dads”.
    I hope that One Nation can restore some balance to this equation, if not for me, then for all other fathers who have lost their children to this system
    Yours sincerely,
    By: Bernard from New South Wales, Australia on December 30, 2016 @ 9:19 pm
    My fellow gentlemen:
    May we bid farewell to this miserable year. I personally am looking forward to 2017: to a year without CSA garnishing my wages, to a year without fighting with my gloomy bitch of an ex, to a year without any court dates, to a year of not paying lawyers fees, to a year of not paying court fees, to a year of not being harassed by CSA, to a year of enjoying life, to a year of living life, and perhaps (god willing) to a year of discovering true love with a kind woman. My ex has moved on and now has a brand new baby to go with her brand her husband- perhaps some of us gentlemen also will be given the chance of a new beginning.
    May we all receive the blessings we deserve come the end of the worst year ever 2016

    AMEN
    By: Steve from WA, Australia on December 29, 2016 @ 10:58 pm
    As said on here before. Each parent in the split should then be resonsible for contributing to the kids when the kids are with them. Instead of the system now where one parent pays to raise the living standard of the other parent. Also the ridiculous system of the kids being kept from the parent who also happens to be the paying parent, usually the one that actually wants the kids to be a parent not for a pay check. The parent that was not the cheating scumbag in marriage. The automatic rule of the mum gets the kids and everything is goverment endorsed child abuse and abuse of the parent with good intentions.I expect this not to change for another 100 years.I wish I was wrong.
    By: Corey from South Australia, Australia on December 26, 2016 @ 9:49 pm
    And btw, if your tired of talking to women at the CSA, ask to speak to a man, if they ask why say "for religious reasons". Under the Australian constitution they are not allowed to ask question your believe or your religion.


    Time to give the CSA HELL!
    By: Corey from Sa, Australia on December 26, 2016 @ 9:43 pm
    What if we all just said to the CSA.... "we're not paying any more" seems there may be a lot of us. What are they going to do?
    By: Prostaa from Vic, Australia on December 26, 2016 @ 1:00 am
    Hey Guys, I would be happy to host a session for a group to share and discuss. I think we could all put some input to helping each other out. We could use a premises in Fairfield. Call me or email me so we can get some numbers and set a date.
    All welcome.
    0412357135
    Costas2501@gmail.com
    By: Prostaa from Vic, Australia on December 26, 2016 @ 12:46 am
    Hello Oscar, please call me as I would like to discuss how you represented yourself and what argument you put forward.

    0412357135
    1550. By: SG66 from WA, Australia on December 26, 2016 @ 12:40 am
    Charlie,
    we are all with you mate.
    Call me for a chat if you need to.
    Happy to help and work out how to get some fairness back in the system with you.
    We are all going through the same horrible shit.

    Shane
    0419 926 521
    By: Trevor Watson from Nsw, Australia on December 25, 2016 @ 9:55 pm
    Hey Charlie you are not on your own brother there are many of us experiencing these extremely deep challenges. Please feel free at any time to contact me at any time. I am someone who directly understands your circumstances as I am in it too. My phone number is 0401665736. Change your attention brother there is much more amazing things in this world to put your attention towards.
    By: Charlie from Victoria, Australia on December 25, 2016 @ 7:17 pm
    I'm not one to use Nasty words but fuck csa and there employees I've been dealing with these fucks for so long now I'm over it they have bleed me dry they don't reason they don't care they keep telling me it's legislation well fuck the legislation us father's are the ones that pay and we don't need the csa yelling us how much to pay our loved ones I'm sure we know what it costs to raise children why do we need these fucks to dictate to us how to raise children ,no one out there doesn't seem to listen and this csa crap will never go away, these fuckers have pretty much put me in debt now and when I call them to get some help with reduced payments they just want to put me on a payment plan but not reduce the ammount I pay a month and the silly fuck at csa said to me it's just another bill yoy have to pay well go and get fucked ill stop work and paying tax and fall on new start so you fuckers can support me and pay me instead,sorry for the harsh words people but I'm just letting my frustration out on these parasites ..
    By: SG66 from WA, Australia on December 25, 2016 @ 1:54 pm
    Dave,
    call me for a chat mate your not alone, we are all going through this disgusting system, lets do it together.
    I'm here if you need to.
    Anyone else as well.

    Shane
    0419 926 521
    By: Dave from Vic, Aust on December 24, 2016 @ 9:08 pm
    Can we get a spport group happenin for broken down fathers? After many yrs my heart and soul is brroke
    By: Shell from Vic, Australia on December 23, 2016 @ 10:36 pm
    To All you wonderful Dads.
    I have seen your pain and I feel your pain. I have watched my husband go through this for the past 15 years. Why do you think the government shut down csa offices you can't talk to anyone face to face. It is just a paper trail with no one being accountable. Typical government department full of shit, Lies and make it up as you go because we can't see their faces and if you Phone back that person miracousley dissappears. We don't see my step kids anymore as they thought it was a challenge to look through our paperwork and treat their dad like shit. He cried in front of them and they couldn't care less because we got a restraining order on their mother. They couldn't understand that you do this for no good reason. They have changed their names to their stepfathers but we are still paying csa. I am so angry that this is allowed if they change their name why should we have to pay. We found it easier to cut ties and get on with our lives as much as it hurts it was affected our 2 children as well as our relationship. The whole system sucks I'm a woman and if there was a CSA office I reckon I walk in and flatten someone. It's so easy to tell so many sob stories and turn on water works over the phone.
    Thinking of you all over Christmas, shit time of year anyway everyone is hypercritical and Ferrell. Stay Strong but keep in updating politions with letters. WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS SYSTEM
    By: SG66 from WA, Australia on December 23, 2016 @ 9:59 pm
    STAY STRONG EVERYONE!!!

    I know it's a really shit time of year.(Call or text me if you need a chat or a venting session over Christmas, my number is below, happy to chat.)
    I'm not able to see my 4 young kids at Christmas but we will have our own Christmas when I see them.(under supervision because of the vexatious X)
    Stand up and change your pain to a positive!!
    Be mad as fuck'n hell, I am however I'm using my pain and grief to ruffle the feathers of the establishment (the powers that be)
    So far after my emails to the minister (and other politicians, Pauline Hanson's is below) for so called human services I've had a councilor call and someone from the CSA.
    Now I'm told I'm getting a call from the Attorney Generals office to discuss my concerns.
    All I did was spell out the truth to them and what they are doing to us as fathers and parents and the child abuse that they are creating and forcing onto our innocent children.
    Copy here of what I sent

    Your killing us faster than the road toll!!!

    Hi Pauline

    Can’t believe the family court system and the court system in general and how a woman (wife) can steal all your money and cover it up with a VRO and then play the system with lies and manipulation.

    It’s a long story but to say my 4 young kids are pawns and weapons used to try to drive me to suicide I’m sure is her hope to cover up what she did.

    The lawyers say there is nothing you can do as she got the VRO first. That ruined my business and my life (as I working from a home office).

    Just found out in WA you can get a VRO now if you have a fear of someone. Don’t need proof.

    I managed to get my kids off the VRO but she is still on it and now she has made application to the family court of a notice of child abuse or family violence. Never was any violence.

    I cannot believe the lies and the twisted half truths that she can say and get away with it.

    What can someone do to help me and all the other poor men that are killing themselves because of this system.

    There are some sites like this but it’s mainly venting about the system .

    http://www.f4joz.com/

    Please help us Pauline

    Shane from Perth

    0419 926 521
    By: gary from qld, au on December 23, 2016 @ 8:36 pm
    Corey I am with you we all need to stand up and fight the system I for one am not paying another cent to them, if they want it they will have to fight for it like we do working for it.
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on December 23, 2016 @ 7:11 pm
    Colin in Qld

    mate it could have a massive effect on your payment. If you want to give me your number, I will give you a call and give you some guidance and advice. I have just been through this, and appealed CSA decisions all the way to the Federal court based on something very similar.
    By: Corey from SA, Australia on December 22, 2016 @ 10:57 pm
    I have no sympathy for woman working in the CSA who are aware of the problem and sit back and do nothing but make excuses saying it's policy and there's nothing they can do about it. It's wrong what the CSA is doing and they are an accessory to its crimes. If you think it's wrong what they do then stand up, or quit. Just sitting back and taking the money tells me they are just as a big a parasite as many of the wemon leaching of men by using the system. Why are there so little men working CSA, is this what we call equality or do men have more morals?

    It's time to get angry, it time to take up pitchforks. Let the backlash begin.
    1540. By: greg maund from Queensland, Australia on December 22, 2016 @ 8:58 pm
    guys.
    this will eat u up. the csa are doing a job, purely a debt collection agency.
    they are good people, usually ladies working, same as you and me. they know us dads are getting shafted by the ex's, they do know what is happening and they can't do anything, they are bound by legislation.
    don't vent on them it's not their fault, they didn't make the rules, they don't like the rules, but they have to work. They are not ex's bumming off welfare/govt handouts.
    SO WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN
    dads need their daughters and sons, and our daughters and sons need their dads. my old man sorted me out, my dear mum, mothered me. Without my dad kicking my ass when I needed it I would not be where I am today, without my mums mothering I would have missed out on the motherly love.
    THE KIDS NEED A MUM AND DAD..divorced, separated don't matter, but they need a mum and a dad.
    THEY need you to rise above CSA, be the dad. This icon on here is bullshit, kids don't need support, my kids need their dad, their mum is hurting them for purely financial gain, they are a asset first and foremost to her.
    You guys know that nobody loves their kids more then their dad. We are the strength when trouble rises. Nobody touches our daughters and we teach and show our lads how to be tough, we show them how to be a mate, we always tell them to look after each other, show respect. look after the girls.
    We tell our daughters how to look after themselves, we are their rock.
    I went through hell and fire with csa and family courts. accused of being violent/abuse/sexually abusing MY OWN KIDS, all was so much lies..the court looked at me like i was a mongrel dog, ex got legal aid, family reports..two years later. two years too late, the court and family reports saying i was a good dad..too late the ex had 2 years to poison the kids minds..
    NOW.
    The best advice I got was from this little old lady solicitor.."your ex wife is a bitch, keep in contact with your kids, birthdays, xmas..keep in contact..
    I did.
    THEY ARE BACK.
    I'm a alpha male. U know I thought about topping myself I got that damn depressed..ME..thinking about giving up..damn..thats how tough it got.
    BUT MY KIDS ARE BACK. finally they grew up realised their dad was always there.
    DON'T GIVE UP..RISE UP ABOVE THE FKIN LEGISLATION..
    kids need their dads..hang in there.

    Greg


    By: LAT74 from WA , Australia on December 22, 2016 @ 6:23 pm
    Hi to all the dads who won't be seeing their children this xmas. Child support payments to one side, I'll have unwrapped presents under the tree again this year. Good luck to you all, thinking of you.
    By: barry from nsw, oz on December 22, 2016 @ 5:26 pm
    yeah darren c sounds like a case of no accountability by X unless kids are exaggerating or wanting/needing dad's concern. Does she have any addictions ie. gambling, drugs, drinking, personal shopping/over beautification or living the good life habits or perhaps blowing it on the boyfriend? These types of situations require scrutinisation of receipts/invoices before any money handed over especially when kids are going hungry. make a new agreement with csa on this basis or be prepared to take her ass to court. maybe negotiate a different payment arrangement with her direct without csa. few thoughts
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