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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

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lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on November 10, 2016 @ 9:17 pm
    thanks AJ

    I was just surprised that there was no-one on here going through the court processes that was willing to discuss .. I know that once I have been through mine (in December) I'd be more than willing to give any guidance to things I learnt / observed ..
    By: AJ from NSW, Aust on November 10, 2016 @ 9:04 pm
    HI Oscar
    Try the Mens Peer Support Forum at www.mensline.org.au - they give really practical advice and try to guide you based on their own crapy experiecnes with CSA and Family Law experiences.
    Good luck.
    1410. By: Oscar from SA, Australia on November 10, 2016 @ 7:29 pm
    I come on here looking for advice, and I must say I am disappointed at the lack of it. there is a lot of bitter talk, and I get that because I have been through it - but thankfully for me it ends soon.

    But, I have asked so many times for thoughts / guidance from those going through the change of assessment processes (through the AAT and FCC) - so my only guess is that no-one is going through that process.

    If no-one is going through that process, then nothing will change in your circumstances - you have to take a step to start the journey. It has been hard, I lodged mine in Jan 2015, objected twice, went through the AAT, and appealed that to the Federal Circuit Court. in December I will have a hearing ....

    if you want change, you have to start "something" else no-one will know it is broken ....
    By: AJ from W.A, Australia on November 10, 2016 @ 2:28 pm
    DJ,

    I feel your pain, really. Their system is very unfair, that has left me in debt, case in point for me:

    My ex works as a teacher, she was thrown out of 2 schools in Perth for interfering in other teacher classes. Dept of education gave her a choice; go to a country school, or lose your job.

    So, she went up to Tom Price for 4 years, and took my kids with her. Because she was far away, CSA attitude was I could not be bothered to see my kids. How about the $800 air fare costs? And that is why my debt has been back dated.

    This is a really fucked up process. They should look at the people as well.

    Ex is a true psycho.
    By: DJ from WA, Australia on November 10, 2016 @ 12:57 pm
    the debt csa say I have is unfair.
    1. It was accumulated over a period while I was unemployed and for a lot of that time with no income at all.
    2. The debt is not to my children or my ex, it is to an unfair corrupt department in the CSA that takes money off vulnerable fathers that have been stripped of their families who are depressed and then with the further burden of being put into debt by unfair late fees are on the brink of suicide.
    I gave my ex all of our assets at the time of our split so my children wouldn't suffer and so they had a roof over their heads, but for some reason that doesn't count for anything. I give my children all I can afford and now pay for half the school fees and other bills direct.
    By taking money from my pay this stops me from being able to live a happy life enjoying being with my children.
    I am being slugged $$$$ out of my pay this week. That's the money I would have used to feed my kids next week when they are with me. That's less money I can spend on my children's Christmas presents. That part of the money I could be spending on school fees and I have to live as well, pay rent, run a car, eat, stay healthy and I do this all for my children and they still take money from me.
    The system is unfair
    CSA is unfair.
    I contribute to my children and I'm there for them, so why does CSA make it harder for me to do this than it already is.
    By: Shell from Vic, Australia on November 9, 2016 @ 7:32 pm
    Hey Erin
    I'm in exactly the same situation. It's so hard to sit back and watch them go through this emotional hell and what csa and politicians don't realise is the strain this puts on your relationship.
    Start writing to MPs etc and tell them from a wife's point a view the more of us that do it the better.
    Hang in there and just pray WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND!!
    By: Erin from NSW, Australia on November 9, 2016 @ 3:51 pm
    Ross - the CSA CANNOT take money from a joint bank account. If they have, they have acted illegally and you should complain to the Commonwealth Ombudsman immediately.

    The information is here:

    http://guides.dss.gov.au/child-support-guide/5/2/9#Jointbankaccounts

    "A notice under section 72A cannot be effective against a joint bank account because it is not possible to identify any portion as belonging solely to one owner (DFC of T v Westpac Savings Bank Ltd 87 ATC 4346)."


    You have my sympathies, and I am really angry for you and your new partner. I am the wife of a man who has been to hell and back for the last 13 years with the Child Support Agency while his lazy sow of an ex wife has sat on her arse doing nothing, and we work ourselves to death to pay for her lifestyle.
    By: Dee from Western Australia , Australia on November 9, 2016 @ 12:40 pm
    Does anyone know anything about an adelaide based company "mychildsupport.com.au"
    By: Ross Cosgrave from WA, Australia on November 9, 2016 @ 11:17 am
    Hey guys,
    I have spoken to the CSA about her cash jobs but they want me to prove it, which is quiet difficult, being in a different country. I just feel that my assessment should be based on the cost of living in the country that the child is living in, Ireland. The maximum i would have to pay a week there is 150 Euro, and that is if i was earning a huge salary, which as an electrician, i would not be. On average over here i have paid $1100 a month for the last 4 years which is crippling me and my family. We are living on the other side of the world without any support network from our families so you tend to rely on your financies a bit more.
    By the way, someone said, have a joint bank account, i do and a joint savings account with my partner and only last week, these cockroaches went into it and took out $3500 without even telling me. I could not believe what had happened, my bank said it was a court order and they could not stop it from happening. This has sent me over the edge and made me realise my time in this country might be really coming to an end. I have never felt more violated in my life. They just totally ignored the $11000 credit card dept that i have, funded my trip home recently, and saw my savings, our safety net, a couple of grand, and figured out that i should service this debt that i had. This was on top a her receiving all my tax return, $6000, in August, and also, what i have paid her every month over the year. It makes me so angry!!
    By: MackyD from Victoria, Australia on November 8, 2016 @ 10:17 am
    Hi. I had a CSA debt after I was overseas for many years the CSA couldnt contact me and I didnt know they were trying to contact me in the end I found out I had a $40,000 debt. When I got back to Australia I finalised my divorce and in the agreement my ex was asked to reduce my debt to ZERO so that we could agree on the final % split.

    I hadnt worked since I was back in Australia then CSA started to automatically take from centrelink payments. After I stopped centrelink I lived with my girl friend and she supported me. I think CSA asked ATO to force me to do tax after I finished with centrelink so I did a zero tax return (some income few hundred dollars from bank interest was my income). So after I did my tax returns all close to zero or around $300 to $2000 interest from divorce settled savings. Now that my savings have been depleted to approx $5000 the CSA said I owe $100 a month but I couldnt pay it as I was being supported by GF and Family, I told CSA I had no job they said to go on newstart and I said I dont want to as I am being supported. So if they can see my bank depleting slowly they can see I have no job but they still insist I have income from somewhere. They asked if my GF can pay it, I said its not her responsibility and not my place to ask money off my GF. I have no contact with my child as the mother said she doesnt want to see me. Now they forcibly took money from my bank approx 1 years worth $1200 to 1300.

    I have borrowed money to my gf by bank transfer and she has paid me back several times so I am wondering if CSA think that I was getting income from her? even though I borrowed her $4000 in total last year.

    I am confused what to do. Any idea what to do? review my case? but whats the use if they have already decided!?? Anyone had luck with Ombudsman?
    By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on November 8, 2016 @ 8:33 am
    Family Law states that all children must be supported by both parents regardless if parents are together/remarry/have other kids with someone else/same sex whatever the case is. Its unfair that 1 child based on the other parents income is worth more. My partner pays $805 a month for a 15yr old ( as he works ) whereas my 2 kids ( 15 and 8 ) are worth $1.67 a day thats 0.835 cents each cause their dad owns his own business and as csa say he has no income and doesnt work BUT hears the big thing whenever my ex has the kids 5 days every 3 months I get the bill of $1500 as he supports them during that time last time he had them he had to fly interstate on business as he told CSA and hired a nanny to watch them for the week. When I blow up at CSA about him working they told me my word against his.He even told CSA he had to work but still CSA said he doesnt have a job WTF. Im still fighting the case as he wants his money now Im waiting on the next bill as the ex has 5 days at christmas that should come in January
    By: Perth Pome from WA, Au$tralia on November 8, 2016 @ 12:20 am
    Hi AJ... No mail, they informed me whilst having one of our pleasant phone conversations. I wouldn't let them know about your holiday plans as I think they use this procedure as leverage to extract monies. You can always apply for a DAC or I believe you can also give them bond money and have it returned when you get back from holiday should you be placed on the no fly list. A bit like being released on bail mate.
    1400. By: AJ from W.A, OZ on November 7, 2016 @ 4:44 pm
    Perth Pome;

    When they did that to you, did you receive any paperwork from CSA, or did you try to go on holiday and get stopped at the airport?

    I am going to try to pay like a good boy, but in March I am going to want and NEED this holiday to see my daughter. I need an escape from the grind of working seven days a week for shit pay.
    By: Perth Pome from WA, Au$tralia on November 7, 2016 @ 1:20 pm
    Worse than alimony Rob. Alimony is removed with marriage or even de-facto relashonship I believe? My ex re-married within 18months, we have 1 child each 100% of the time and they want me to pay $10'000 a year??? In the UK no money changes hands with joint care, America changes policy's as situations change, Australia-Hold onto your hat we are go a f*ck you from any direction! I often wonder if I got issued the DPO to stop me returning home with my son living within a fairer UK legislation.
    By: Rob from Vic, Aust on November 7, 2016 @ 2:27 am
    The formula is broken.. I've compared assessments with another persons and their cost of a child, exactly the same age, per year was half mine. Why? because the incomes were different. Why should one child cost less than the other? Its not child support, there is an inbuilt alimony. Its all BS.
    By: Perth Pome from WA, Australia on November 6, 2016 @ 9:38 pm
    They hand those DPO's out like confetti.. My debt was about $1500 because I hadn't realised they were now assessing me on an old income 4 years prior and capacity to earn in the boom. At this same time my son ran away to live with me, I couldn't afford to pay with setting up a new home with him and they refused to accept he had without proof. When they accepted the truth 6 weeks later I get a DPO and have been a prisoner here since early 2014! 2 years on we have 1 child each (shared care) and they are still assessing me on a fixed annual rate?
    By: Bill Walker from Sa, Aust on November 6, 2016 @ 8:33 pm
    Yep paul and gary all FRAUD and NO contract. People pay based on FEAR being the first hurdle one must overcome.
    By: gary from qld, au on November 6, 2016 @ 7:06 pm
    simple just stop paying
    By: paul from qld, au on November 6, 2016 @ 7:05 pm
    if every paying person stopped paying the system would collapse what better way to raise eyebrows in parliament
    By: Ramon from NT, Australia on November 6, 2016 @ 3:04 am
    When I question why the teenager I have in my care only gets $35 a month(Which he doesnt actually get BTW) and the 6 year old my ex has in her care I pay over $200. I'm told thats how the formula works. Well the formula is broken. In both cases the income is worked out on my earnings as they are on pensions. The fact i am the only one going to work to make life better for our children and that money is negated by taking it away with little regard for my family is astonishing. I feel my life is not my own anymore.
    By: Tim from QLD, Australia on November 5, 2016 @ 8:01 pm
    Rot in hell CSA.
    By: Shell from Vic, Australia on November 5, 2016 @ 7:31 pm
    DM
    I totally agree with all you say. I'm a woman and between those I have worked with listened to around school etc the majority of them are after money only. They are conniving, wicked women but our government rewards them for it. We got a restraining order on my husbands exwife so in return she stopped the kids from coming and gets rewarded with extra with extra money. She waited for an inheritance to come then left him after having an affair for 12months.
    They plan everything then rip off the system.
    I agree with you that the bitches at csa are on a power drive I would watch my husband get off the phone in tears.
    Change your phone number don't give it to them
    Good Luck all you men!,
    1390. By: AJ from W.A, Oz on November 5, 2016 @ 7:12 pm
    Jimmy,

    Thanks for the heads up. Even though I was verbally warned about the travel blocking, I do not think that the sum that I owe them would warrant this. After all, it is only 3k when all of their ridiculous penalties are removed.

    My eldest is 17 now, the younger one 16, so not so long to go. I have only just started work again, and this week CSA gave me a revised estimate of $320 per month. In regards to the verbal threat, I get a feeling that these lesbo's who work in their call center get off on a little power trip.

    The one, single time in all these years that my payment was worked out correctly, it was done by a man.....LMAO.
    By: DM from WA, Australia on November 5, 2016 @ 8:59 am
    The system is seriously flawed. When a couple divorces then all assetts should be split 50/50, no child support paid, 50/50 living arrangements for the kids unless the kids decide otherwise. It should be up to each parent to support themselves financially.
    I cannot see this draconian system ever changing. Unfortunatley it feeds the greedy ex-wives who planned this for a long time before ending the marriage and did their sums and worked out it is a win win for them. This system almost encourages divorce by making it so financially rewarding for the women.
    I earn exceptionally good money now however after the massive amount of tax comes out then then $400 a week child support it brings me down to a quite pathetic wage for the highly stressed position I hold with very long hours. This brings her income up considerably from the measley wage she earns for herself because she has never applied herself to better to actually earn more. So with her wage from her very easy short hours job plus child support, plus family payment , plus scamming money off charities claiming to be poor she now exceeds my income.
    The thing is she was left with the house, contents, car, money, everything and I walked away with the shirt on my back. I have furniture in my rental that I had to pick up from the street verge that other people were throwing out.
    So my kids when with mum get to do things and have fun experiences that I essentially pay for. When with me it is a struggle financially, I cannot provide those experiences. If I had all the money I provide for child support we would live like kings.
    I for not one minute begruge paying for my children. What I do object to is raising the living standard of a lazy ex that could not work to do it herself. But then constantly tells the kids that she is doing it tough and and dad never pays for things etc, etc.
    I started work at 15 years old, I work hard and am proud every cent I have I have earned. I am now quite old with nothing and by the time I can save again when my child support ends I will be an old man.
    The system will never change as no one cares, similar to the VRO system where practically every divorced dad I know have had a VRO slapped on them. This is advised to the women by legal aid to protect the house and keep the dad from taking anything plus to gain leverage in family court and of course to kick him while he is down.
    All the time the government have this system which is essentially a lotto win for the women, it encourages the scum bags of this world to split and take the easy way.
    To all the decent women out there that do not follow the greedy path, to women that work hard for their own money, to women that do not poison their children with lies, to women that actually have some morals, ethics and standards, well done and all respect to you.
    By: Jimmy from QLD, Australia on November 4, 2016 @ 9:57 pm
    AJ,
    Don't take the DPO lightly, as they do it and I know first hand. I was on a trip abroad leaving from the GC via Sydney on route to Dubai. I got as far as Sydney were the AFD stopped me and would not allow me to travel due to CSA debt. I had to pay 28K which I got a loan for and travelled 3 days later. And I have never been back in Australia since. This was 3 years ago, so in all that time I have not seen my kids. The CSA is so rot as well as the AAT which believe me again is a waste of time. Although I am not working and have not been in a few years the CSA has fixed my payment amount at $3200 per month. So now I owe a further 60K. So will I ever see my kids again. I dont think so. The country is just Fd.
    By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on November 4, 2016 @ 7:30 pm
    AJ
    Yes they can stop you leaving the country. There is no warning, just a letter in the mail or a phone call informing you that you are now subject to a Departure Prohibition Order (DPO).It does not need a court order for them to do this, just a debt. There is no set amount that will invoke this...just a debt that they choose to chase you for. They can seize assets if they so choose but this needs a court order. I have been on the end of a DPO and an attempt by the CSA to jail me. Just a word to all you people out there, the Federal Court WILL NOT JAIL YOU FOR UNPAID CHILD SUPPORT. They will coerce, bluff and cajole, but CANNOT jail you. A DPO is the worst they can do ...effectively jailing you on the island of Australia.
    By: AJ from W.A, Australia on November 4, 2016 @ 2:41 pm
    Hi community,

    In regards to my previous statements re; travelling, has anybody on this forum ever heard, or known of a genuine case of this happening at all please?

    Also, in regards to CSA seizing assets, does anybody know what sort of owed sum they may do this from?

    Thanks again

    AJ.
    By: AJ from W.A, Australia on November 3, 2016 @ 5:41 pm
    Thanks Robin.

    I was only trying to get an idea of the $ value that they may introduce these action on. As I said, if you remove all of the penalties, it comes down to about $3,000.
    For me though, there is injustice in the way the system works. My ex took the kids away because she was forced to work in the country - kicked out of 2 previous jobs, and she was over 1,000 kms away from me.

    And yet CSA opinion was that I did not want to see my kids!
    By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on November 3, 2016 @ 3:52 pm
    Aj
    yep CSA can put a stop on you leaving australia Ive never heard if anyone has tryed leaving with a csa stop order on them throu
    Also if you own them money even after kids turn 18 they will still chase you for it
    Ex wifes are always the ones in the wrong when it comes to csa but i know a few blokes that do the same just saying
    By: AJ from W.A, Australia on November 3, 2016 @ 1:59 pm
    Hi community,

    I have recently been receiving threats from the CSA, but I really need to know if they CAN do the sort of action that they are threatening, not sure if they can. My story is complex. I have one daughter overseas from a relationship, and 2 daughters here in Oz from my first marriage.

    CSA told me that I owe them $6,000 in back payments, of that, perhaps a little more than half is in fines and penalties that can be remitted. I was also threatened that that can block me from going overseas.

    My two girls here are 17 and 16, so my CSA with them will end relatively shortly. My youngest s birthday is in March, and I really want to fly to the Philippines to see her. Can CSA really block me from travelling?

    I don't want to book my flight if I will be stopped at the airport.

    I won't go into my case any more, because as much as my ex wife is a psycho, she always seems to win. Two years and counting down....thanks,

    AJ.
    By: craig from qld, australia on November 3, 2016 @ 7:06 am
    also to anthony have you sent csa a bill for breach of agreement as they need to pay damages?
    By: Greg from Western Australia, Australia on November 2, 2016 @ 9:13 pm
    Hi Anthony, does it mean you pay the child support as prescribed, but they still take the tax return? I am asking as it has not happen to me so far, so want to be "ready". I know they often take tax return when they pursue some debt or such (often they create one themselves from nothing...), but usually there was the "arrears" case they came up with in order to take the return.
    Greg
    1380. By: craig from qld, australia on November 2, 2016 @ 2:12 pm
    this may help some folks
    http://creditorsincommerce.com/audio
    By: Matt from NSW, Australia on November 2, 2016 @ 12:59 pm
    I am currently objecting to a fixed rate being applied to me. I am currently unemployed, my only income is via rental income from an investment property, this is negated by interest, rates, strata fees etc before any maintenance and repairs I might see around $5000 per annum. However, I have to prove to the CSA how I support myself. My partner works full-time and she supports me but not via an allowance or the like. What do I need to do? I want to do the right thing, but I don't want to get screwed over by saying my partner supports me financially.
    By: Adam from South Australia, Australia on November 2, 2016 @ 4:33 am
    I took full time care of my 3 year old son 5 months ago. My ex-partner has been difficult to deal with for most of this time, paying piddly amounts to help me care for him ($30 - $50 per f/night when she receives parenting payment + FTB's for my son and 3 other children) and even then doing everything possible to get out of paying anything. I have been struggling with Centrelink for months to claim for my son so you can imagine how I felt when I noticed that a $50 f/nightly deduction for Child Support paid to my ex (for our little boy who she makes no effort to even see) was set up last f/night without any notification from the CSA.
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on November 1, 2016 @ 5:39 pm
    Ian King - thank you for your outline. very handy, as I am in the middle of writing my submissions.

    if you don't mind a chat, and have 10 minutes - do you have details of how I can contact you direct. Don't need advice, just a chat about the process in the court.
    By: Ian King from QLD, Australia on November 1, 2016 @ 2:31 pm
    Hi Oscar,

    I did not take my COA as far as the Federal Court. However I was in the Federal Court previously, attempting to obtain a Parenting Order. I got completely steamrolled by the Judge. It was a thoroughly unpleasant experience.

    My advice would be :

    [1] Don't go alone. If you can afford a lawyer, get one. If not, then at least take a friend or relation with you. Preferably somebody with experience of the legal process who can support you.

    [2] Plan what you intend to say. Write it down. Be patient. Don't allow the Judge to conclude your case until you have had the opportunity to state your case. Tick it off on your printout as you proceed. If you need a break to regain your thoughts, then request one. Don't feel pressured to rush through at their pace.

    [3] If you have submitted affidavits and documentation to the court, take your copies with you. Don't assume that the Judge has read these and is familiar with the evidence contained within them. Read out the relevant sections.

    [4] If you are before the Federal Court, then I assume you have already gone through the COA, Objection, Review and AAT process. Therefore you are appealing on a "Point of Law" ? Print out and highlight the relevant sections of the "Child Support (Assessment) Act 1989" that you believe has been contravened. Refer the Judge to it.

    [5] Don't hold your punches. If your ex-spouse/CSA/AAT has been untruthful or broken agreements, then produce the evidence, and make the court aware of it.

    [6] In Brisbane, you can attend Court as an observer. Go to court a few days before your hearing, and observe the proceedings at someone else's hearing, so you have an idea of how it works.

    Most importantly, don't be intimidated by the process. Respect the Judge, but make sure you have your say.

    Good Luck
    Ian


    By: MANDY from western australia, australia on November 1, 2016 @ 2:19 am
    please help me!
    i pay sixty dollars a month to an ex out my social security this is for childrenaged 24,21m,26
    i live on trwen dollars ech pay day
    i am income m anage i did this myself i have been on sosial security payments since 2001 and they have taken this money for five yearsand i carnt get them to hear me i am seriously at my wits end i have anxioty and agrophobia i am loose any hopeof ever getting the help to stop this they have clearly messed up and i can prove it yet i am sinking where in perth do i go to set a undue hardship claim agaionst individuals and the agency how do i get the money back how do stops this before i just give up five years ive got hardley and fight left in me .
    By: Anthony from SOUTH AUSTRALIA, Australia on October 31, 2016 @ 7:40 pm
    SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHERE CHILD SUPPORT AGENCY GET OFF ON BREAKING AN AGREEMENT WITH ME ON MAKING PAYMENTS AND AS SOON AS I PUT IN A TAX RETURN THEY BREAK THAT AGREEMENT AND YET AGAIN TAKE MONEY FROM MY TAX RETURN.i UNDERSTOOD THAT THE AGREEMENT WAS A LEGAL AGREEMENT AND THEREFORE THEY HAVE BROKEN THE LAW BY BREACHING IT. I ALSO EARNED $10,000 DOLLARS LESS THAN LAST YEAR AND YET THEY SLUGGED AN EXTRA $3500 IN PAYMENTS AND OFCOURSE TOOK IT OUT OF MY TAX RETURN WITHOUT EVEN NOTIFYING ME FIRST .... I HAVE KEPT UP WITH ALL MY PAYMENTS YET EVERY YEAR THEY FIND A WAY TO SLUG ME MORE { PERSONALLY I THINK SOMEBODY JUST WANTED TO GO ON A HOLIDAY. NOBODY AND I LITERALLY MEAN NOBODY IS LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO THIS YET THEY CAN DO WHATEVA THEY LIKE BCAUSE IT SUITS THE GOVERNMENT. THEY SAY IT GOES TO MY KIDS AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IS B SHIT IT JUST MEANS THE GOVERNMENT GIVES THE DOLE BLUDGING EX LESS MONEY ON HER PENSION SO YEHHH GOVERNNMENT RIPS MORE MONEY OUT OF THE PPL WHO DO THE WRITE THING FOR THEYRE KIDS. MEANWHILE THE FAMILY I SUPPORT AT MY HOME SUFFERS BIG TIME. IF ONLY I COULD GET A BREAK SO I CAN GOTO COURT AND SORT IT OUT BUT SO LONG AS CSA CONTINUE RIPPUING MONEY OUT OF MY FAMILY'S MOUTH THEN I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD A LAWYER OR COURT COSTS
    By: Julian F from nsw, aussies getting smarter on October 31, 2016 @ 8:12 am
    First thing to remember peeps is not to enter into any agreement with agents of CSA, no matter what notices of demand they send you re any alleged debt. I mean why would you want to, who the hell are they re private business between you, your ex & your kids?

    Second, if you have already made some commercial agreement you can look at how this agreement was formed & raise relative defences to render it null and void or attempt to form a new agreement at any time with use of tacit acceptance. Remember agreements are dynamic.

    Third, you can build upon what Joel said below & simply conditionally accept to pay any financial obligation upon proof of claim. There must be a valid contract with all the essential elements including wet ink signatures & a meeting of the minds. In other words a contract can only exist between living men or women else its void & unenforceable. No living man/woman can ever have a contract with CSA [as it's a dead entity & mindless], it's all bluff, smoke & mirrors & tom foolery. Yes it's hard to accept but many payers of child support have been duped, died & suffered for a very long time due to a lack of knowledge. Anyway no more, learn & fight back!
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on October 30, 2016 @ 5:40 pm
    Is there anyone out there who has gone through a change of assessment process, and objected all the way to the Federal Circuit Court??

    I am about to attend the FCC and would like to talk with anyone about what to expect.
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on October 30, 2016 @ 5:38 pm
    DJ (from WA)

    once you are in the system it is very difficult to get out. The only way is that the parent receiving the payment must end the case - completely.

    Now - if she is also receiving any Centrelink or anything like that, she CANNOT end the case, else risk losing some or all of any of those benefits as well.

    so the key is - if you have an amicable relationship, and are both non-government dependent - then it is possible.

    A far better way if you can manage it.
    1370. By: Jim A K Bailey from Auckland, New Zealand on October 30, 2016 @ 6:26 am
    MSD-CYFS-&-WINZ (New Zealand style CPS and Welfare), the so called Family Court, so called **Child Support**, their workers and contractors and those who are/were in the process of making GLOBAL Family Law and Social Policy ***HAVE-MUCH-2-ANSWER-4*** - BEST Invoke 2nd Chronicles 7:14, be Onward together with YAHUAH ELOHIYM and His MOST Original Scriptures as BEST we KNOW them, as comfirmed via The DEAD SEA Scrolls now in the Leon Levy Digital Museum, See for yourself on the Net or READ ONLY Translations/Transliterations rendered DIRECT to AVOID Word smiting from within pagan infested religious writting such as tulmud, douay rhiems, kjv and all that comes from them - HandsOnEqualParenting from Conception NAIL Deep within GLOBAL Family Law and Social Policy and SCRAP so called Child Support is a way forward - Onward - BLESSINGS from Beach Haven, Auckland, New Zealand, Jim / JimBWarrior
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on October 28, 2016 @ 9:07 pm
    Hi to all paying parents. Csa /family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new stolen generation and domestic violence.
    During my rants about csa etc, my wife said that paying cs is like a jail sentence. You really have no say ,get depressed/suicidal, angry ,it affects your health and relationships, financially restricted, and in my case I will finish paying 18 years for a son I am a absent father to,not by choice, but because the system allows it. So people good luck to you in your own battles , if all goes well I'll be out in 5 years.
    By: Shell from Vic, Australia on October 28, 2016 @ 8:40 pm
    Maybe a decent law firm needs to file a law suit on csa for bullying causing depression, mental health issues and suicide. I know heaps of men that suffer depression and contemplate suicide due to csa constant hounding, bullying and stand over tactics. The best thing you can do is go to the doctors have it noted go on anti depressants and if you are out of work you can claim due to mental illness.
    Don't have bank accounts in your name only nor assets change your phone number don't tell csa.
    Hang in there
    By: Verity from QLD, Australia on October 28, 2016 @ 7:29 pm
    Hey Ross. If the mother and baby are in Ireland, wouldn't their system be chasing you? Or does CSA here take over their job (how nice of them....not). Anyway the child support assessment should be based on your income and the mothers income. If you suspect she works cash in hand apply to CSA for a change of assessment based on one of the 10 reasons....particularly the one that talks about the income and earning capacity of the other parent. If she is deliberately not working to maximize payment from you then definitely apply under that reason. They require parents to work if they are able. Also, wouldn't hurt to let the relevant govt dept over there know that she's doing cash jobs....especially if she's receiving any welfare too. You should have your income and hers (even if she's crying poor) on the assessment notice and you both have a self support amount...but as you have another child, you also get another amount set aside for your new dependent child. For safety get a joint bank account with your new partner. CSA can't touch joint accounts. If you go for the change of assessment to start and grass her out to CSA for failure to work when able and also to the ATO equivalent for hiding income you'll be off to a good start. It can be a long road to justice but don't give up and don't let CSA bully you into paying more than you can afford. They also have hardship provisions and are not allowed to require payments that would deprive you of the ability to provide your family the basic necessities. Good luck and let us know how it goes!
    By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on October 28, 2016 @ 8:56 am
    ross
    A: is the kid back home yours ? did u dna test to make sure or just took her work for it ?
    B: australian law states all children have to be supported by both parents not just the care giver ( the mum )so your stuck and have to pay csa for both kids
    C : what the x does with her money is not a csa problem
    Its hash but so is raising kids ask for a look into the case maybe csa will drop some payments to make up for you being out of work I dont think they will but just on a reason 8
    By: Ross from WA, Australia on October 28, 2016 @ 8:08 am
    Hey,
    I'm an Irish man with Australian citizenship living in Perth. Before I left Ireland I had a fling with a girl knowing it would not go any further as I was going to Oz for a better life. I was here 3 weeks when the phone call came to say she was pregnant and that it was mine. Being my nieve self I took her word and promised to support her but I told her I would be staying in Oz for the long term. I flew back to Ireland that Christmas to meet my son and christen him. After 2 years of paying her more than enough I hit a blip, broke my leg and was out of work and she got the CSA over here onto me.I was mad and told her do what she liked, this has being the biggest mistake of my life. Ever since I have dealt with CSA they have left me angry, depressed and all of the other emotions that have being mentioned on this site. I don't know how to explain the effect these people have had on me and the money they have taking from me while I am living on the other side of the world trying to make a better life for myself. I have found a partner and just had a baby girl which they want me to support on $1000 a week while she sits back in Ireland with her family supporting her, working cash in hand and receiving all this money from Australia which she would not get if I was at home. She does this because she hates me and sees how much stress it causes me and my new family. I have being penalised for not declaring extra income that I have earned through hard work and O/T. It drives me to a state of depression and will probably end up with me having to leave Australia. At least I have this option, I feel for people that have to suffer this injustice without an option. Can anyone give me some advice on this, I don't know what I am looking for but I have bottled this up for 3 years now and need some help!!
    By: Jason from Vic, Aus on October 27, 2016 @ 6:05 pm
    At our financial mediation, following separation, I paid a joint debt of $50K. Does anyone know if half of this debt can be offset against your child support assessment.
    By: Joel from nsw, aust on October 25, 2016 @ 6:36 pm
    First determine DJ if you have any financial obligation and to who? ie. before any payment can be made request proof of debt; copy of contract, validation of debt and verification of claim.
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