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  • Just Say 'No'
  • 06/08/2009
  • Contributed by: president ( 2 articles in 2009 )
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I have many ideas about how the system could be and should be fixed (most of them involve the re-introduction of the guillotine). Naturally we must stay within current law so as to be capable of attaining our goal.

There are and have been thousands if not millions of attempts to form organisations in order to overcome this corruption. None have been or are successful. As many have commented here and in other places the corruption is far and wide and deeply entrenched. This has the effect of neutralising efforts due to overwhelming feelings of exhaustion and helplessness.

Unfortunately the story of David and Goliath is a one off. For every David there are a million crushed Steve’s. However, had MAHATMA GANDHI taken this attitude towards the British he would have failed before he started. MAHATMA GANDHI understood the laws of nature.

Despite the size and power of the corrupt system, it is made up of individuals. Just as they are able to crush us individually so we are able to do the same.

First it is necessary to instil into their filthy corrupt minds that we will not be stopped.

Secondly they must realise the numbers that are about to take away their power.

Thirdly they must be taught that every action against an individual will result in a response by the whole.

We must stop scratching around in the dirt like chicken searching for food. We have seen the rise and fall of multiple organisations that have attempted to bring this filth to its knees. All have failed.

Individual personalities and opinions eventually destroy the original aims of those that mean well. It’s exactly how the corruption grew to the strength it is today.

What is needed is a common bond that does not interfere with individual thought or opinion. Something that can be recognised worldwide. A simple binding agent that sends a message to the scum that we are coming for them.

My intention is to propose such a symbol of faith and solidarity. It is so simple and so obvious that at first most will consider it ridiculous. But if accepted and taken on board by every abused citizen on this earth, it will crush the filth forever.

I know ... you are saying “what is it, stop rambling and give us the goods”. It’s simply the two-letter word "NO"!

Every single person that has been or is a victim of abuse must adopt this symbol. How they do it matters not. Some ideas are t-shirts, pendants, earings, car bumper stickers just to name a few.

Every demonstration must include this symbol. Irrespective of the organisation or reason for demonstrating, the word "NO" must be clearly visible.

I thought hard and long about this and discussed it with hundreds of people for years. There were many other options such as “V” for vendetta etc. But the one reason I always came back to the simple two-letter word was MAHATMA GANDHI. His amazing success is the blueprint used by practically every other successful overthrow of corruption on this earth.

Simply say "NO". But it goes much deeper than that. The word becomes a symbol of solidarity. It is universal in identity. It does not impose restrictions or intrude on personalities or opinion. It simply tells those criminal elements that we will no longer sustain their filth.

I am now asking you all to join me in this campaign. To put aside differences and help launch the "NO" initiative worldwide. I will design a simple logo that can be used worldwide to standardise the symbol. If however others believe they want to use another version so be it. As long as the word “NO” is used worldwide and sends the obvious message to the scum, that is all that is required. Nature will take it from that point forward.

For those who may think this is all too simple minded please believe me when I tell you that it is based on careful research. Just as you have stood alone and felt the weight of their filth, so will they respond to this campaign. We, too often forget that they are simply a collection of individuals just like us. They have simply hijacked the legal system and are passing it off as a justice system.

Believe me when I tell you that individually this scum could not wipe their own backsides. They work within the filth because they cannot exist outside of it. When separated from the pack and cornered they will exhibit the identical fear and pain that we experience when confronted by their corrupt pack mentality.

If you doubt the ability to crush this scum, ask yourself one simple question. Who has the biggest pack? The answer of course is us, the abused. Take strength from the fact that living in a 50 square home in the best suburb and receiving bucket loads of money does not make one invisible.

When MAHATMA GANDHI organised his demonstrations they were considered illegal. He used no weapons only people power. The British had armed troops but they mostly did not use them. Instead British funded Indian police would use long metal tipped staffs to break the heads of the demonstrators. The fact is that no matter how many heads were cracked (and many were killed, including children) the demonstrators outnumbered the police by millions. We outnumber the filth by billions.

As is said on many occasion, every journey starts out with the first step. Please join with me now and launch the beginning of the end of the filth. Adopt the "NO" initiative. Let’s go worldwide from this forum.

Also see a Say No Flyer handed out at a protest.
SAY "NO" TO THE FILTH.

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    By:NAT from victoria, aust on April 3, 2011 @ 2:17 am
    F DINKUM - I am Presidents partner and you have no idea about him or his life. He fought for the family court for over a decade trying to save his children from ongoing sexual exposure, neglect and child pornography and at all times trying to make the public aware of the injustices against children and in most instances fathers. You have done nothing but demonstrate that you rather naively bring someone down than write something that supports the cause and empowers individuals that visit this site needing assistance. Perhaps you need an education in acquiring depth of thought.
    20. By:F.Dinkum from Melbourne, Victoria on April 2, 2011 @ 11:17 pm
    Don't link yourself to Torney, he is a violent and sexual predator, convicted in the Courts of Victoria and appropriately found guily and appropriately sentenced to a long-term of imprisonment for his sexual and violent deviance. He is a sick individual who has been convicted of offences against a minor. Distance yourself from this warped and sick reptile.
    By:Daveyone from Little Englander!, England! on September 10, 2009 @ 11:52 am
    But what do you hope to achieve by just talking about it but not actually do anything? (Check out my news from the front line comments on members forum!
    By:Big Joe from VIC, AUSTRALIA on November 21, 2009 @ 9:16 pm
    FREEDOM is the message to all you MEN out there.

    FREEDOM is the name of the game!!!

    Your children's FREEDOM!!

    Your FREEDOM!!

    FREEDOM from cruelty, harm and abuse to your children or to yourself!!

    It doesn't get much simpler than this!

    If it means getting out of the arm chair, stop watching television and sports so be it! Do it!

    Hit the streets or do whatever it takes to restore these FREEDOMS - it must be done!!

    No matter what the costs to ourselves - for we are not important.

    FREEDOM is!

    Fathers you are here to SERVE your children and the higher good of humanity... lest we all not forget this!

    Unless you are true to this FREEDOM you are not true to yourself.

    Don't make the mistake of suffering at some time in the future, knowing that you should have done something - but didn't!
    By:Stan Williams from WA, Aust on August 26, 2009 @ 9:56 am
    That's great guys... so no protest and we have to get smarter.. HAHAH How bout watch the forty...

    I hate to admit it but I threw away over $80k on that dog system... I say we should just sue the fuckers for negligence..

    Who's up for joining me in a law suit. That's all they seem to understand is $$$ so let's take the money off them. See how many then want to be fucking lawyers in that shit hole they call a Family Court!!!!!!!!
    By:Daveyone from Little Englander!, England! on August 26, 2009 @ 6:41 am
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/discussions/forums/show/SunTalk-6401.page I have posted this on my news from the front line thread on the members forum but my intention is to keep our voice heard in the mainstream newspapers!
    By:president torney from Victoria, Australia on August 26, 2009 @ 6:25 am
    To John Webster from Vic (PART ONE)

    HI JOHN, COMMENTS IN CAPS.

    Are there a hundred guys out there willing to stand in front of the Family Court doors, not letting anybody in or out protesting strongly to have the court closed down?

    WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING IS TO BLATANTLY BREAK THE LAW AND CAUSE A PUBLIC NUISANCE. I FULLY APPRECIATE WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM AND WHY YOU PROPOSE SUCH ACTION. HOWEVER, THE RESULT OF SUCH ACTION WOULD BE OF NO USE AND GIVE THE SCUM AN EXCUSE TO LOCK UP MORE INNOCENT VICTIMS.

    You just might find if this was done enough you would have 1000 protesters strong out the front in no time.

    NO MATTER WHAT IS DONE AT THE FRONT OF THE COURT NOBODY WILL END UP BEING SUPPORTED BY 1000 MEN (OR WOMEN).

    Trouble is where do we find these men that could be bothered and have the guts to be prepared to be locked up?

    THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WILLING TO BRING DOWN THE FILTH. THEY JUST DONT KNOW HOW TO DO IT. REMEMBER, IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL RESULT IN YOU GETTING SPLATTERED IN SHIT, MAKE SURE ITS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO COVER THEM UP TO THEIR NECKS IN THE SAME CRAP. IT’S ABSOLUTELY USELESS TO DELIBERATELY SET OUT TO BREAK THE LAW AND GET LOCKED UP. THE SCUM WANTS YOU TO DO THAT. IT MAKES THEM EXTREMELY HAPPY. IT GENERATES MORE MONEY FOR THE SYSTEM; IT STROKES THEIR FILTHY EGO'S. IF YOU WANT THIS SHIT TO BE DEALT WITH AND LOCKED AWAY FOR LIFE FOR THEIR CRIMES, THINK AND DO SMARTER THAN THEM. THEY THINK WE ARE SHIT! ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY ARE SHIT! NATURE WILL DO THE REST.

    By:Daveyone from Browns Orwellian State (1984), England! on August 24, 2009 @ 2:23 pm
    Cont...I did log a conclusion to this but it got lost in cyber space so could not be asked till nowResponding to Pres. Torneys suggestions about threats of violence I too feel this does our campaign no good ! In fact I was never keen on the 'Superhero' protests we need to show the public we are a serious force with a strong message but they will only liten if you act responsably. We I firtd saw superman firing fireworks off a crane byTower Bridge ( Just before I became embroilled) I though maybe these guys were not fit to be good dads and whilstI know have sympaathy sadly many who do not still think as I did! we should also project or message under a new heading Justice4Children this is more soliuble for those who have not gone through what we have but the message and all that has gone before holds us in good stead for future campaigns (Keep an eye on news from the front line on YOUR forum)
    By:Daveyone from State Controlled, England! on August 21, 2009 @ 12:16 pm
    Wise words as always President Torney and recognise the sinario you discribe on countless occasions I too have spent 10 hours in a police cell for somply sending a letter to my ex-solicitor suggesting her recriational drug habit of 20 years may have a bearing on the way she acts ! This letter should have been kept with in the confines of the solicitors office , my X and the next cour tappearence not police and criminal court which is I had done this would have been contemped of court! On numerous occasions when I have attended for contact as the court order says SHE causes an up set on occassion resulting in the police being called but they are unable to enforce the court order on her but they are able to arrest me for breach of the peace even though I am just sitting in my car waiting for my Sons to come and have a fun filled weekend with me or just simply chat about their day at school over their evening meal!Representing your self in court is a waste of time as the judge, never mind how polite and respectful you are, will never take you more seriously then a £2000 a time barrister! I did have a Mckenzie friend in the Late Ian Mackay Spokesman for FNF and the first man you see speak ( Pulled into a gate a balled my bloody eyes out) on the Geldof on Fathers clip with Margerat Hodge drinking a cup of tea on the cover, but even with his best efforts the judge ,who looked like the twin to Anne Robinson would have none of it, and simply took the p****!
    Cont...
    By:President Torney from Victoria, Australia on August 19, 2009 @ 11:35 pm
    PART THREE

    i am splitting these replies so as to allow comments on small issues as i have found it difficult to deal with multiple issues. one of the most important matters to affect these forums is the reference to violence or threats relating to such matters. i would strongly advise all participants to make no reference to any form of violence against any person or organisation, no matter how strongly one feels about these issues. each and every attempt at bringing together the decent and abused folk throughout the world, has been destroyed by the publics perception of violent behaviour. most times this does not happen by accident. most organisations end up being infiltrated by outsiders and the general flow of opinion is deliberately sidetracked. the quickest way to bring down our efforts is to refer to violence. in fact this is how the scum originally gained control and how they maintain it. just as george bush instilled the fear of terrorists under the bed which enabled the enactement of the most abusive terrorist legislation ever imagined. our government took immediate advantage of that situation and removed most of our civil rights using the false facts relating to terrorism. keep your comments clean of threats of violence. those who dont can only be looked upon as stupid, psychologically unstable or deliberately attempting to destroy these forums.
    By:President Torney from Victoria, Australia on August 19, 2009 @ 11:01 pm
    PART TWO

    I would like to briefly comment on replies so far. i have mentioned that i am an old timer. what i mean by this is i have been through the system and thoroughly initiated. family court, magistrates court, supreme court, county court and even represented myself in the ilustious high court of australia. been bashed by cops, threatened by guards in holding cells, abused by sheriffs and threatened by corrupt federal police. funny thing is none of these experiences were a result of me committing an illegal act. just a result of my refusal to take my broomstick up my arse when told to do so. i still despise corruption at every level but these days i have learned when to keep my mouth shut. i still open it on many necessary occasions :) one gets a wisdom as one gets older and can look back on past experiences for guidance. one thing i can say for sure is that you will certainly bring as much shit down on yourself as you desire, simply by acting in a manner that upsets the scum. so if you are going to wear shit, make sure you do it in a way that splashes a ton of it back onto your abusers, this is easy to organise.
    10. By:Daveyone from Little Englander!, England! on August 19, 2009 @ 6:42 pm
    Well President Torney as a 50 year old Dad also screwed by the system, and only One Davey I have become a little phylsophical in my old age. This week I was introduced to the concept of the Strawman which seems relavent to what you are saying but then again so is Zeitgeist! This useful link also came my way today so hope is of interest to you!
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/18152539/Emerging-Priorities-in-Mens-Issues-in-North-America

    Keep the faith!
    By:President Torney from Victoria, Australia on August 19, 2009 @ 9:59 am
    PART ONE

    Hello all. just a few additions to my original posting. firstly so i can clear up any confusion, President Torney is my real name. I changed it in 1997. I want to assure all those abused folk out there that i am not under any misconception as to the validity or importance of my name. I certainly don't believe i am a president of any standing. I chose the name because its what close friends called me. I figured if shit referred to themselves as your honour, your worship, your majesty or the right honourable, a nice bloke like me could handle being called PRESIDENT. In other words my name is about as much bullshit as the titles these scum give themselves to instill false importance and fear of themselves. As all those old timers know this lot are a pack of useless no good corrupt shit. I am a 59 year old dad who was screwed by the family court. More importantly i am the father of numerous children, whos innocent childhood was desimated by orders made by persons referred to as your honour.
    By:Daveyone from London, England! on August 7, 2009 @ 7:54 pm
    There is a way John ( Things are very raw with you I know)I set up a DIY campaigning kit suitable for blitzing the UK from your PC and you could do the same with your message of warning those about to go into the Family court process and to boy cott them my message has been for a long time if you can't resolve things with your Ex you sure as hell won't from the courts who have cash incentives to agitate matters take you to the cleaners! I will start a new thread on the message forum "News from the front line!" and offer you as much help and info for you and your 100 as I can in the meantime go to Geldof on Fathers and get as many people as possible to also look at it and if we can get world wide participation everyone will see it as " Film showing now and we will keep it showing!" keep coll feller there are a lot of us feeling your pain!
    By:John Webster from Vic, Aust on August 7, 2009 @ 1:04 am
    Are there a hundred guys out there willing to stand in front of the Family Court doors, not letting anybody in or out protesting strongly to have the court closed down? You just might find if this was done enough you would have 1000 protesters strong out the front in no time. Trouble is where do we find these men that could be bothered and have the guts to be prepared to be locked up? Are men these days without courage or perhaps they like going to the Family Court and seeing the battle as FUN! Don't laugh, people do.
    By:Daveyone from London, England! on August 6, 2009 @ 11:47 pm
    I refered to Dads on air and Simon as they highlighted suicide what happens if you don't pay CSA?
    By:johnnybgood from NSW, Aust on August 6, 2009 @ 8:42 pm
    Dads on the air..HUH! What good do they do. ZIP! That's what. How about dads on the fucking streets showing them we mean business. How do you think women have got what they have now. On the streets!!!!!! I'm off to work 2/3rds 4 me and the rest for CSA. Have a nice day.
    By:Barry Wilkinson from NSW, OZ on August 6, 2009 @ 8:07 pm
    Yeah good message. Yeah spot on Daveyone it is ok to feel like killing any prick that wants to hurt you or your children. If my kids were in any sort of harm or danger I would remove the threat quick smart, make no mistake about that. As for topic, I like it. ITS GOT BALLS! good onya president T - whoever you are.

    Men are there own worst enemies - we are lazy, complacent and dont listen. Sure men are good workers and can look after kids, but we are dumb. It is time we get off our arses and all march together in protests and let society know that men will not be forgotten. If we not careful men wont be needed at all in the years to come - don't worry about your children or your assets, you wont have any. You wont be in a high paying career and will have ZERO rights. Not just as a father but as a man. So really, you better think long and hard now, TODAY, cos there may not be a tomorrow for you or your sons.
    By:Daveyone from State of readiness!, England! on August 6, 2009 @ 4:00 pm
    Here you are look!
    http://antimisandry.com/priority-news/australian-mission-starts-here-21931.html
    By:Daveyone from North London, England! on August 6, 2009 @ 12:31 pm
    I think the death threats are a graphic reflection of the hopeless many of us feel in this situation and whilst it is unlikely we would carry them out ( we are good caring Dads after all) the injustices experieced with in this system is the real colprite here and in fact leads to many thousends of dads killing themselves ( Refer to you own Dads on Air and our Simon Anderton !)
    By:Rambo from Victoria, Australia on November 21, 2009 @ 9:17 pm
    Good words of wisdom and guidance. Thank you President Torney.

    One "NO" a day, may just keep the vultures away!!

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