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    csa debt out of thin air. - By:being ripped off from qld, Australia on May 21, 2015 @ 10:31 pm
    i'm in trouble and don't know what to do ?.maybe someone can help?.
    i recently did my tax returns back to 2006 and the tax office mucked it up and somehow someone else's income go added to my tfn ,although i got that ammended and fixed ,it raised my income with csa suddenly i had a bill for ny 20 year old son of some 15000 dollars when i asked csa to wipe the debt because it is a false value they told me the isn't anything i can do ,because they can't take into account amended tax income ,this can't be right the money doesn't exist!!how can i be liable for income that i have not recieved ,i am on welfare payments and noway can i take a debt of 15 000 that i have not accruded it's ridiculous the csa say sorry but there is nothing they can do it's the rules .at wits end.
    Can CSA take a lunp sum from me - By:AngryAussie from Qld, Australia on April 10, 2015 @ 9:07 am
    Hi there,
    I have a question about compensation payments from an accident and I owe CSA $20,000 in arrears. My solicitor handling the accident informs me that once my compensation is settled, the CSA will take the balance outstanding to them in one lump sum from my settlement !
    Apparently he has to inform the tax office to check id I owe tax and it filters through to the CSA ?
    Can someone verify this as being correct pls ?


    Kind Regards
    Child Support Reassessment? - By:SB from NSW, Australia on June 23, 2016 @ 2:42 pm
    I found out through back channels (a friend of a friend of a cousin type thing) that my ex is struggling financially but I know he won't talk to me about it...he is too proud. Anyway, does anyone know if he can have his child support reassessed through CSA to take his new financial situation into consideration?

    At this stage I am studying nursing at uni, working at a nursing home & have the kids almost entirely myself (he can only have them one weekend a month due to work commitments) so I can't pick up any more hours at work so I need him to have a reassessment (rather than us just agreeing for him to pay less) so the small amount of family tax benefit I get will increase (assuming his CS goes down).

    He is a good man & I don't want to see him being ground down by finances.
    250. Where, how, who & why not just close the - By:Jan from Vic, Aus on February 21, 2015 @ 10:44 pm
    2 & a half years ago, my wife & I split up
    The reasons were not uncommon & also, what seems to be, not uncommon, is that she started restricting my time with my daughters

    After about 8 months, I had jumped through all the legal hoops to get to the round table mediation, required before subpoena can be issued for a legal custody case (through legal aid)

    At that point I was issued with a interim family violence order, claiming child abuse and spousal violence & abuse - the mediation was immediately cancelled, as was my approval from vic legal aid

    Over the past 2 years I have been found not guilty of child abuse, I have been prodded and poked to assess my sexual risk factors & all the rest, that the legal system can come up with, and required me to pay for, together with defence attorneys who are so conditioned to the system, that they do not consider the possibility of fighting the system (in retrospect, they may be right) in addition to learning that the attorneys that I can afford, believe that they are paid for their mere presence, and in my case, where they failed to appear on an occassion, which gave the court the opening to grant custody to the mother)

    In either event, I decided that the only / best option available was self representing

    In December last year, it reached the point where the Family court date was set for February 2015 (directions) and the interim intervention for May 2015, for contest. In the intervention hearing (in December) I attempted to apply for revocation, based on subsequent events, and was shot down by the magistrate, to the point that I felt ridiculed

    On calling Vic Legal Aid for a legal opinion, I was told that it would be impossible but, being a stubborn bugger, I applied for a seperate court date to hear my application for "leave to apply for revocation / amendment" and was granted leave, by a lady magistrate who stated that my grounds were valid and even commented that aspects of the interim intervention order were invalid

    After that, I started to get some kind of hope and for the hearing on my application, last week, I felt that I had covered every relevant legal section in my working summary, which I gave to the duty lawyer, as I was legally prevented from representing myself and questioning the "protected person"

    On entering the court, the first of my disappointments was to see that the presiding magistrate was the same one who I felt had ridiculed me. The second was when he mentioned that he remembered his comments to me. The 3rd was when he asked the duty lawyer what the point of my application was, when the original order was set for contest in May. Next was her reply that it was merely her "clients wish" - this despite the fact that I had pointed out to her that this aspect had been addressed when I was granted "leave to apply" at this point I was getting rather despondent and tapped her in the shoulder & reminded her to, at least, mention the aspects of the order which the lady magistrate had pointed out as invalid - she brushed me off & effectively telling me to sit down & not interfere - she did not mention a word about it

    The final blow came when the magistrate said that the interim order had been going on for more than 2 years and he did not see any point in having a seperate hearing for the revocation, while contest was set for 2 months time - he then postponed hearing on my revocation application, to the same date as the contest hearing, set in May - effectively negating the "Leave Granted" by the lady magistrate

    This is the justice which I am expecting to find in the Family Court & magistrates court and I am scared sh#tless

    PS - I might mention that, at the magistrates court, my ex claimed to be in fear of her life and got a court volunteer to hold her hand while waiting and during the course of the hearing - I am sure that the magistrate knows the volunteers and can recognise the implications of her presence
    She even got a policeman to accompany her to her car
    I have never been violent, or even threatened to be violent, to a woman in my life!!!!
    csa garnish - By:johnsie from qld, oz on January 29, 2015 @ 9:57 pm
    hey justin...csa like any corporate power structure masquerading as some legit govt dept can do anything they like, and do everyday, whether it is lawful, contractually fair, honourable or according to common sense + decency. Unless your agreement is recorded (writing/audio) they can just lie their asses off + deny it. police, lawyers + the legal system do it everyday so why not csa? having said that + without knowing the specifics of any said agreement, i would stick firm to the agreement you had verbally + make them honour it, sounding strong in your conviction and speaking to whomever or do whatever it takes to have the csa honour their side of the agreement...they're slippery + slimy little f**kers.
    Garnish bank.. - By:Justin from Vic, Australia on July 10, 2015 @ 6:42 am
    Hi all, can someone help me with understanding where I stand on this one. I lsot my job at end of last finacial year and got a payout. This meant my CS rose $8,000 even tho I still don't have any perminant work( bit of casual work here and there). Last Friday the 23/1/15 I made an arrangement with the CSA. This Tuesday the 27/1/15 my bank account was garnished $1000 by the CSA becuase I still had $2,000 to my name. Can they do this even though we had made an arrangement 4 days earlier?
    Batty as - By:Alien Parent from Nsw, Australia on January 28, 2015 @ 11:42 am
    Rosie Batty is too well versed in feminist narrative to be the sweet little angel she is being made out to be. I smell a rat, and it formally enters us into an anti father era.

    My guess is she was an absolute task master hard arse and made the father's life hell, as much as she could, until somewhere in there he snapped. The end result we all know. I make this assumption based on what I've experienced, seen of others and read.

    I'm not saying the father is innocent and blameless, he shouldn't have done that, but he is now the easy target who can't defend himself. In fact, everything about him is left up to her description of him. No questions asked. We know very little of his circumstances.

    The big lesson out of this is mothers who make life difficult to see kids should know that you are making the father extremely frustrated, so it's best not to do that or all hell can break loose. I am not seeing this description. It's all, geez, we'd better get dads away from kids quick smart. Ex fathers must be dangerous.

    It's a total witch hunt attitude. Humans do this in one form or another repeatedly throughout history. The ex father is today's witch.

    The scary thing is my very own circumstances could easily be framed exactly the same as this guy has been, with the exception I've never threatened anyone with death. If I killed myself, the story could easily read just like his, but I'm no monster, just a weak humble guy who got caught up with an angry dominating feminist. Im Completely non violent but officially accused of violence because I got fed up with years of abuse and defended myself verbally.

    The 2nd big lesson out of it is ex fathers, you must never top yourself. When you lose your kids we all think about it. By suicide you let them dominate the narrative. Even if you leave a note, people will ignore it. And don't think self sabotage will get you anywhere. People are not compassionate enough to react to that. And further more, your ex probably wants you to do it, nothing would make her happier. If you die, you're counted as mentally I'll and forgotten about, simple as that.

    Any male accused of violence post Batty is in big strife.

    If you ever want to see your kid post break up, you'd better have a nice ex, because if they want to have you removed from the picture, the police will believe her, and so will the judge. They just have to cry violence, the truth is now completely irrelevant, and society is cheering it on all the way.

    It is now very important to keep your depression quiet to them. Yes seek help but do NOT tell mediators or your ex about it. Any male with depression is not going anywhere near kids post Batty. All that if you have depression seek help advice is total bullshit. Lefties love mental illness, until it's an ex father, then they'll use it against you.

    We have entered a seriously dark era for ex fathers, because no one gives a shit about you, this is just a plain and simple fact, they don't, you're just another evil Mr Anderson (batty's ex) no questions asked.
    dna - By:bazza from vic, aust on August 6, 2016 @ 12:46 am
    damn...complex + BIG decision...2 main ways alby 1) say nothing, maybe get a 2nd test, enjoy the joys +/or liability of the child at least until 18, remembering fathering isn't just about being a biological donor. Or 2) if you feel you can't be a dad for whatever reason, get a 2nd test just to be sure, confront your ex demanding an explanation, cut all ties for the record + get something in writing from Ex stating your not true father voiding csa liability. From then, if you both want to be parents, then at least you have a choice knowing the truth + be a father the best way you can. Remember, if you do speak up + child is not yours, mother may take child away for good.
    HELP! - By:Alby Why from Queensland, Australia on August 25, 2016 @ 2:52 pm
    I was in a relationship with a lady which ended before the birth of "our" child. Since her birth early last year I have been paying maintenance and seeing the child daily. We recently had a fight and she got nasty so I did a Home DNA test through Home DNA Direct without her knowledge. I've now just found out I'm NOT the father! What do I do, I'm ropeable and devastated all at once. Genuine advice would be greatly appreciated please.
    P.R.A.C.A.I. - By:Sarita Love from Somerset, England on December 20, 2014 @ 3:02 pm
    Hi there I have been observing researching and gathering information and experience on this topic and have come to an interesting conclusion.

    When a faction in a greater dynamic is made in effect obsolete, it is up to supporting factions to step in.

    If it is mothers/women who have the greater presence in court, then the healing must begin here.

    So many women are wounded and full of fear and blame and many have closed themselves to ideas of men being of any benefit to them or their children at all.

    There are women struggling for greater control in their lives after experiences akin to nightmares, largely sporting men at the helm of their sinking ships.

    How can a whole race be bad and rotten to the core? Men and women are born equally in the world and when they are in love and creating families, the inequalities that arise, are between them as a couple to sort out. Yet when they split up - men are effectively, dissolved.

    Our family court system has many female contributors effecting the choices that are made for our children.

    Are they neutral? Do they themselves have a history of difficulty with men? What was their relationship like with their fathers? What unresolved history are they attempting to purge?

    The healing must begin by awaking women to the responsibility that they are currently asleep to. Feeling supported and often vitriolic in court room scenarios, women are being substantially naive and NOT considering their children as they preen themselves in the judges uninformed and limited light.

    All strength to Fathers $ Justice. If you want another admin, writer, or anything else that I can contribute, please get in touch.

    All love
    Sarita
    Dumped to the kerb by the system - By:Scott from Somerset, United Kingdom on July 8, 2016 @ 3:22 pm
    Hey,
    Just wanted to vent my story with people who may understand. I lived in Melbourne for 11 years, moving there after meeting my Australian wife as she worked in the UK. We were married and have 2 beautiful boys.
    I was in an emotionally abusive relationship and was close to suicide on a coupleof occasions. I could not escape the relationship as she used the kids to draw me back and continue her abuse.
    I had enough and I chose the lesser of two evils, and flew back to the UK. Yep, I fled the country to get away from her toxic ways. That was over 3 years ago now. I have dealt with all the friends that listened to her side only and turn their backs on me. I have come to terms with the severe drop in my income as UK wages are not as good as Australian ones, but I struggle everyday that I do not get to excercise my right to be in my childrens lives without her being that gatekeeper. I have tried to engage lawyers, but they dont really want to touch my case as I am not in Australia, and UK lawyers wont touch Victorian law. We have 3 properties that I have not managed to sort out financial settlement as she has blatantly ignored my request so she gets everything.
    I am in a legal limbe where no one wants to touch my case and I do not get to be in my kids lives unless my controlling ex wife says so.
    CSA are on my back (which I pay) but they have grossly miscalculated and have completely disregarded appeals I have made to have the amount adjusted so it is relative to my UK income.
    To feel that my situation is 'ignored' by the system and I can just rot in the corner brings me down, every single day!!
    Anyway, vent over, thanks for listening!!!
    By:Jayjay from Vic, Australia on February 21, 2016 @ 8:26 am
    Thanx Chris. It's really stressing me out!!! What will happen if I can reduce my hours of work to say 4days a week? Or if I quit my work and my wife goes to work full time (I don't really want my house wife to go to work full time :(. )
    What happens if I have an asset ( house under me and my wife's name but still owing 180k worth 500k.

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    Jayjay - By:Chris from Tasmania, Australia on February 21, 2016 @ 8:30 am
    Read my posts below, that's how it all starts. You won't like this but my honest advise to you to to pay the $1400 back ASAP - even if you have to borrow to do so. I know that it sucks but I now owe $80k, have you got a statement, if so have a look at the amount set as late payment fee/ interest - I can gaurentee you it will be more than your whole payment - honestly pay the any outstanding ASAP! For your own sake
    240. Csa - By:jayjay from Vic, Australia on February 21, 2016 @ 8:26 am
    By: Jay jay from Vic, Australia on December 1, 2014 @ 5:11 pm AEST
    Is this a load of B.S????
    I am in the arrears of $1400. I earn only $51k and they currently take out $76 pw prior to court case. Now the will start taking out an additional $58 because I am in the arrears, how can they do this as my wife does not work and we have a 5 yr old child together. Can someone urgently help with some info please!!!!!!!
    So I can't feed my family cause the so called other child that I have not seen since after his birth for 11 years is more important then my current family??.?.?.??.?.?

    This isn't right. Can I get some advice please??

    First I was told it wasn't mine 11 years ago and I got kicked out of where I was living with her, now she's filed for child support etc. paternity test is done and all and I am the father but it's total B.S
    pay csa with promissory note - By:mick from vic, australia on November 13, 2014 @ 2:18 am
    chris: google promissory note & view the many forms of wording etc. its simply a promise to pay x amount in y way over z time. Write it to completely fit your needs. PN's were a precursor to contracts. The problem is tho with CSA they already have a garnishee on your wages so there is no reason for them to contract with you in any other way & not accept the PN, despite whether they lawfully should. You'd have to quit your job to eliminate garnishee order & play poor boy on the record for awhile & then attempt to negotiate with CSA to settle debt with PN or form of contract that you draft. Alternatively, strike a deal with your ex to pay her $10k lump sum now as opposed to waiting for $40k which may never come. Anyway, just thoughts & remember to always keep in honour as a man & father.
    Promissory note - By:Chris from Tasmania, Australia on November 13, 2014 @ 1:28 am
    Thanks Mick,

    A few questions if I may, are there any limitations on how car in the future?
    As I live week to week, can it be broken into a payment structure over time?
    I would hate to take one out and not be able to pay it - that would make my debt around the $40k mark, and as I don't own a house or anything even that would be a struggle - also worth mentioning is that both my children are now over 18 yo thus I am not longer paying - just the debt !!
    Again thanks everyone!
    pay csa with promissory note - By:mick from vic, australis on November 13, 2014 @ 12:44 am
    Get all fees deducted from $80k first then pay balance with a promissory note as it is a legal instrument. Just put up article in news section as a starter...you have nothing to lose & everything to gain...cheers
    Late fees legal?? - By:Ross from NSW, Oz on November 13, 2014 @ 12:16 am
    Chris -- firstly I can empathize with you mate as many people are being screwed by an out of control system. There is no rhyme or reason, fairness or one specific answer i can suggest save quit being an employee paying voluntary tax and hence no garnish + have no assets in your name -- ie. be a broke strawman. When ex PM Fraser said in 70's people better hide their money under the mattress, he wasn't kidding, as countless people each day awake to this truth.

    The CSA, FamCrt, Police, Fines, Councils + defacto govts under martial law have all gone mad for power + control + a money grab suppressing people in the process. Also perhaps learn that you're a lawful man Chris and not a legal fictional person subject to their statutes + jurisdiction. As said before, no one quick solution + do not consent to their unlawful rubbish.
    Late fees legal?? - By:Chris from Tasmania, Australia on November 12, 2014 @ 9:30 am
    Hi Ross and thanks for a speedy reply.
    Firstly I am the first to admit that I have not made volantrty payments thus my pay is garnished - fair enough, I have no problem with this. I don't have the actual figures with me as I throw them out - the whe system makes me physically ill!!!
    As soon as you have a debt with them, they will slap a late fee/payment penalty on me. I will call them and request a statement in the next few days. However as I said my pay is always garnished and yet every month I get a late fee. The end result is that I now have a debt in the area of around $80,000 - of which half is due to interest and late fees. Then I be a call from them requesting my yearly income, provide this to them and make the mistake of telling them that I am heading overseas for a quick holiday - BAM I now have a departure prevention order on me - a holiday my wife saved for and paid for!!!
    I am and have always been a low wage earner ( hospitality will do that to you) I will post up full details ASAP .
    But how can an $80000 debt consist of 50% interest???
    Late fee charges legal?? - By:Ross from NSW, Oz on November 12, 2014 @ 8:10 am
    Chris, can you explain more about the CSA charging you a monthly $240 late fee, as this sounds unconscionable on top of everything else they unlawfully do.
    Late fee charges legal?? - By:Chris from Tasmania, Australia on November 12, 2014 @ 7:32 am
    Hi all,
    New poster here, for years I have had support dedicated from my pay, and yet I am continuously hit with a monthly late payment fee of approx. $240 which makes my payment actually go backwards.
    With the bank being taken to task lately, does anyone think that it may be worthwhile pursuing a similar law suit as the banks are facing - just posing the question????
    Binding Agreement - By:ray from NSW, Australia on October 11, 2014 @ 10:28 pm
    My situation has been going on prior to 1991 and here I am over 23 years later and I am still fighting CSA. My ex sent an agreement through her solicitor to my solicitor all those years ago with an agreement she put forward to me to look at, I signed it as it was reasonable and my solicitor thought so too.
    Now after all these years I have a CSA debt of over 75K plus they have stopped me now travelling overseas, they harass me non stop.
    CSA do not even follow their own rules as there is a page on their own web site that states What is a binding agreement. Things went sour with my ex many years ago after we separated and when she told CSA that we didn't have an agreement ( Even though I produced all the proof ) CSA said they knew she was lying because I gave them the copy of the document along with receipts signed by my ex they couldn't do anything unless she told them to stop chasing me, even though I also produced a copy of their own letter dated 1993 stating that both parties were happy with the agreement. The system is wrong and Men definitely get discriminated against .I kept giving CSA the information of where my ex was working getting paid cash in hand , they never once followed it up even though my ex was also on the pension, the point that CSA will not see is that if they had done their job and followed up the information my ex would have been charged with fraud ( Claiming the pension whilst working ) and because she was working she was not entitled to child support which meant that I would not have this massive debt hanging over my head still. I have just recently started a new family and this is causing me and my new family so much stress and financial problems.
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    230. Support this Guy, he is doing a great jo - By:David Farmer from Hertfordshire, United Kingdom on September 9, 2014 @ 12:00 pm
    Robert Kenedy
    21 hourglass cycles
    Doing Interviews and Research in Australia and New Zealand on shared parenting and related areas
    Good Morning From Canada,
    I am doing research on fathers, shared parenting, and related areas. I have been working on this area for about 25 years, mainly in Canada. I am now looking at the Global Shared Parenting movement and would like to do interviews with those in Australia and New Zealand. Please let me know if there are those you are in contact with who are interested in being interviewed.
    If you are interested in being part of the book and sharing your views on the Family Law system, the Fathers’ Rights/Parenting Movement, and
    related issue, that would be very helpful. I am interested in interviewing fathers, mothers, grandmothers, grandfathers, and others
    who have been impacted by the Family Law System. All interviews will be confidential and those being interviewed will remain anonymous in
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    More specifically, I am interviewing parents, grandparents, and others, as well as those who are concerned about men's health. I am particularly concerned about about stress experienced as a result of separation and divorce as well as issues related to suicide ideation and suicide.
    I have published the following works in the area:
    Kenedy, R. (2004). Fathers For Justice: The Rise of a New Social Movement in Canada as a Case Study of Collective Identity. Ann Arbor: Caravan Books.
    Kenedy, R. (2006). Researching the intersection between collective identity and conceptions of post-separation and divorced fatherhood: Fathers for justice, fathers for just us, or fathers are us? Qualitative Sociology Review, 2 (2), 75-97.
    Kenedy, R. (2011). Moral panic: Male studies and the spectrum of denial. New Male Studies: An International Journal, 1 (1), 52-60.
    Kenedy, R. (2014). “Do Fathers Matter? Post-Divorced Transitions Regarding Mental Health and Suicide Ideation Among Fathers in a Canadian Context”. In R. Kenedy, (Ed.) Senator Cools’ Roundtable and Symposium on Family Dynamics Proceedings Senate of Canada. Published by the Senate of Canada.
    I have just booked my flights and will be in Auckland from Sept 18-19, in Wellington Sept 20-21, Dunedin Sept 22-23, Queenstown Sept 24-25, Sydney Sept 26-27 and Oct 1, and Wollongong Sept 29-30th.
    If you are interested in being interviewed please let me know as soon as possible, as I will be leaving Wednesday Sept 10th and will have limited and unpredictable access to e-mail.
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    Fight against distorted view - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on August 17, 2014 @ 12:02 pm
    I would like to highlight a few submissions from individuals and organisations that have put forward some of the man's concerns. I wish more submissions like these. The inquiry status is still at Accepting Submissions, which means you can still put yours in.

    Senate Inquiry: Domestic violence in Australia

    Individual submissions
    Neville
    Albert
    Dr. Elizabeth Celi
    Emanuel

    Organisational submissions
    Lone Fathers Association (Australia)
    Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting)
    One in Three Campaign

    Obviously, there are other good submissions to read. However, there are some alarming submissions that continue to misrepresent the fact, and continue to paint a distorted picture to cover up abusive women to cause more sufferings to fathers/men and their children.
    Fight against distorted view - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on July 20, 2014 @ 11:01 am
    James, thanks for your view. We're basically sucked into an anti male judiciary system which have been evolved over time without much notice by men until damages are badly done to them and their children. All possibly because men seem reluctant to take action as summed up very well by BigJoe from Victoria - What are Men? (scroll down to read it in this forum). But I am not so sure if no action will actually bring out good result, I think the reality tells us otherwise. The point is not turning to the government, but to turn men into a big voice that government cannot ignore anymore. We first let the government have a distorted view on male as perpetrator, then it bases on this distorted view to build other policies, little by little, we are loosing ground. Now, it's time to stand up and fight. Fighting back in big or small way, collectively will make a huge difference. May I share with you and others a quote from Thomas Jefferson?

    "The germ of destruction is in the power of the Judiciary, an irresponsible body - working like gravity by night and day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless steps like a thief over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall render powerless the checks of one branch over the other and will become venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."
    DV - By:James R from Vic, Australia on July 20, 2014 @ 4:57 am
    Domestic violence that occurs against men, women or children is unacceptable, no one argues with that. However, turning to governments and corporations for more policies giving greater control powers to the courts, police, human services and other authorities is only a recipe for more abuse, victims and theft. The Domestic Violence Industry, like the legal industry is just another industry to promote and support the carnage of broken families. The hidden agendas behind these sort of inquiries is anyone guess, but be sure it won't be in the best interests of the all family members and the "family unit". It will be a cash grab, more stealing of assets, and land, especially in the case of our "originals" [our dark skinned ancestors commonly referred to as aborigines, more family destruction and so on. When people give their power away to governments, they trade their rights for privileges and duties. A BIG No No my comrades. The answer and secret lay simply in the strength of families sticking together for safety and working through such marriage or relationship issues as they arise. What's more people are always free to leave the relationship and settle up their financials, just go and ask those who have been through the family court over the past four decades. Every inquiry that comes about almost inevitably makes life more complex for the common people or one group or another. The inquiry back in 2004-06 that was suppose to make custody and child support fairer for fathers, yet it ended up giving the CSA greater powers including taking money directly out of bank accts, screw certain non-custodial parents while letting other more cunning self serving parents off. Many genuine families and individuals were left struggling as a result.
    Many organisations also see inquiries as an opportunity to further their anti-family, marxist and financial agendas. Have govts provide resources and funding to all recipients who need help and support, but as far as other policies, people need to have govts keep their dirty snouts out off the trough.
    "The Australian government has launched a $100 million Second Action Plan to stop domestic violence and violence against women and their children." [From DV article link in comment below], one can only conjure what form of anti male bashing and deprivation is on the way for males and fathers. However, as Abbott is historically a woman abuser and anti-feminist, I doubt the money will reach any real victims, but more or less have the money siphoned through a few mates companies for some easy returns, possibly as compensation for a few favours. Isn't this how it works in politics and big business when power brokers with poor integrity and values exert their racial tendencies?
    Fight against distorted view - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on July 19, 2014 @ 12:24 pm
    There is a parliament inquiry on 'Domestic Violence in Australia" by the Senate Finance and Public Administration Committees, due by 31 July 2014. There is no doubt that the government has a very distorted view against male citizens. You are more than welcome to put your submission in for your views to fight against this distorted view as there are so many fabricated/invented violence falsely accused men causing them and their children to suffer. Please see details below.

    http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Finance_and_Public_Administration/Domestic_Violence


    On 26 June 2014, the following matter was referred to the Finance and Public Administration References Committee for inquiry and report by the 27 October 2014:

    a. the prevalence and impact of domestic violence in Australia as it affects all Australians and, in particular, as it affects:

    - women living with a disability, and
    - women from Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander backgrounds;

    b. the factors contributing to the present levels of domestic violence;

    c. the adequacy of policy and community responses to domestic violence;

    d. the effects of policy decisions regarding housing, legal services, and women‘s economic independence on the ability of women to escape domestic violence;

    e. how the Federal Government can best support, contribute to and drive the social, cultural and behavioural shifts required to eliminate violence against women and their children; and

    f. any other related matters.

    Submissions closing date is 31 July 2014. The reporting date is 27 October 2014.

    The committee will not be considering or examining any material that relates solely to personal cases or grievances. The committee process is not a forum to resolve these issues but to explore the adequacy of policy responses and the effects of policy settings regarding housing, legal services and women’s economic independence on their ability to escape violence.




    Committee Secretariat contact:

    Senate Finance and Public Administration Committees
    PO Box 6100
    Parliament House
    Canberra ACT 2600

    Phone: +61 2 6277 3439
    Fax: +61 2 6277 5809
    fpa.sen@aph.gov.au
    Bad governing - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on July 19, 2014 @ 11:54 am
    Tony Abbott is burning huge amount of public money away to please antisocial feminist.

    http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/top-stories/tony-abbott-pledges-$100-million-to-fight-domestic-violence/201406274237#.U8pbHLE08or

    It really make me feel sick when a female perpetrator who committed serious violence against the child and her husband including beaten the child, burn the husband with boiling water, punching his head, lied to police, court then faked her self as a victim. Then, police, DVCS, CPS and magistrate all came together to waste taxpayers' money to protect such an abusive perpetrator, and to prosecute the real male victim. Tony Abbott, the injustice system has driven many Australian men to poverty, death, wrong convictions, it is a national crime to these poor fathers who are deprived their rights with their children, their assets even they lives. It must be stopped immediately, then followed with apologies and compensations.
    Banks turning ugly - By:Brian P from Vic, Australia on February 21, 2016 @ 7:50 am
    A bright switched on young person in their early twenties with 5yrs of customer service was refused a position as a bank teller with probably the biggest and most common bank in Australia. The reason was she did not have a enough selling experience.

    Well there you go everyone, if that doesn't sum up what banks are all about these days, no customer service but just wanting to sell to you.

    Of course it's no surprise to me, as all I receive when visiting a bank, which I try to avoid, is a sales spiel before I change the topic onto something more appropriate. Once i was influenced to seeing another bank staff member about some bank product before waking up and saying no thanks and walking away.

    Yes the face of banking has been changing for some time and unfortunately in my opinion, the new face is looking ugly.

    Submission to Child Support Inquiry has - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on June 16, 2014 @ 4:24 am
    For immediate release - 13 June 2014
    MEDIA RELEASE
    Send submissions to Child Support Inquiry
    THE SUBMISSION deadline for a Federal Parliamentary inquiry into the Child Support Program is likely to be extended to enable more people to respond on this sensitive issue, according to Committee Chair George Christensen.

    Mr Christensen said that although the cut-off date was June 13, it was standard practice for parliamentary committees to continue to receive submissions.

    “While that is the case, I have asked for the official deadline for submissions to be extended by three weeks,” Mr Christensen said.
    “This is an extremely important issue and one that affects so many families, so we do want to ensure we are hearing from as many people and organisations as possible.
    “The key point is, if you are working on a submission, please continue to do so and send it in.”

    The inquiry into the Child Support Program was launched on April 30 and public hearings will be held in various centres throughout from June 19 through to early August.
    Though submissions are being received, the greatest volume of communication on the program will be received via the online anonymous questionnaire.
    The questionnaire can be completed on this page: https://www.research.net/s/CSPquestionnaire

    Further information about the inquiry, including the first submissions to be published, and the public hearing schedule, is on the inquiry website: www.aph.gov.au/childsupport.



    For media comment – please contact Lynnis Bonanno in the Chair’s office on (07) 4944 0662 or
    0408 773 207.
    For inquiry information – please contact the Secretariat:
    Childsupport.reps@aph.gov.au | (02) 6277 2223 | www.aph.gov.au/childsupport
    ENDS



    Lynnis Bonanno

    lynnis.bonanno@aph.gov.au

    Electorate Officer/Media
    On behalf of
    George Christensen
    Federal Member for Dawson
    2/21 Milton St,
    PO Box 1697
    MACKAY. Q 4740

    PH: 07 4944 0662 or 1300 301 979
    Submission to Child Support Inquiry has - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on June 13, 2014 @ 6:44 am
    For immediate release - 13 June 2014
    MEDIA RELEASE
    Send submissions to Child Support Inquiry
    THE SUBMISSION deadline for a Federal Parliamentary inquiry into the Child Support Program is likely to be extended to enable more people to respond on this sensitive issue, according to Committee Chair George Christensen.

    Mr Christensen said that although the cut-off date was June 13, it was standard practice for parliamentary committees to continue to receive submissions.

    “While that is the case, I have asked for the official deadline for submissions to be extended by three weeks,” Mr Christensen said.
    “This is an extremely important issue and one that affects so many families, so we do want to ensure we are hearing from as many people and organisations as possible.
    “The key point is, if you are working on a submission, please continue to do so and send it in.”

    The inquiry into the Child Support Program was launched on April 30 and public hearings will be held in various centres throughout from June 19 through to early August.
    Though submissions are being received, the greatest volume of communication on the program will be received via the online anonymous questionnaire.
    The questionnaire can be completed on this page: https://www.research.net/s/CSPquestionnaire

    Further information about the inquiry, including the first submissions to be published, and the public hearing schedule, is on the inquiry website: www.aph.gov.au/childsupport.



    For media comment – please contact Lynnis Bonanno in the Chair’s office on (07) 4944 0662 or
    0408 773 207.
    For inquiry information – please contact the Secretariat:
    Childsupport.reps@aph.gov.au | (02) 6277 2223 | www.aph.gov.au/childsupport
    ENDS



    Lynnis Bonanno

    lynnis.bonanno@aph.gov.au

    Electorate Officer/Media
    On behalf of
    George Christensen
    Federal Member for Dawson
    2/21 Milton St,
    PO Box 1697
    MACKAY. Q 4740

    PH: 07 4944 0662 or 1300 301 979
    CSA Inquiry and submission - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on June 12, 2014 @ 5:09 am
    I came across this website yesterday, good stuff. Not sure if everyone is aware of the following,

    1. Child Support anonymous questionnaire. https://www.research.net/s/CSPquestionnaire

    2. Submission to the Child Support Inquiry due by tomorrow (Friday) 13 June 2013, send your submission by the following link,

    http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Making_a_submission

    Or you can just send your submission to:

    Committee Secretary,
    House of Representatives Standing Committee on Social Policy and Legal Affairs,
    PO Box 6021,
    Parliament House,
    Canberra ACT 2600.
    Phone: (02) 6277 2223.
    Fax: (02) 6277 4427.
    Email address:: childsupport.reps@aph.gov.au

    The current list of submissions (submission 3, 7 and 8 are worth to read) published to-date can found at:

    http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Social_Policy_and_Legal_Affairs/Child_Support_
    Program/Submissions

    3. Witness

    To be considered as a witness at the Public Inquiry, please following this link:

    https://www.research.net/s/CSP-EOI

    The public hearing details can be found at:

    http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Social_Policy_and_Legal_Affairs/Child_Support_
    Program/Public_Hearings
    220. By:Andrew Prestwood from S.A, Au on May 31, 2014 @ 12:07 pm
    I see how the court in some cases takes precautions when kids are involved. I do not believe one parent should be cast aside at any cost.The system in place is biased, not in the best interests of the children at all and the woman know it's for them not the man.I have seen, witnessed and had allegations made that are false yet, the family report writer takes them as gospel writing a report that is biased and totally incorrect.Children need both parents and it's shown that by not having that, they are harmed. The court is guilty of abuse with no consequence.The lawyers, magistrates, court staff have one thing in mind that is their job and money. That comes first and foremost. The current system hurts not heals and let's never forget how many it assists in killing by suicide. The system is foul and we know that, as do they.
    A New Australia - By:Moses from Qld, Australia on May 31, 2014 @ 9:24 am
    Can our inefficient, corrupt and deaf political, governmental and legal systems/businesses/corporations be reformed or are they no longer a viable option in their current form that serves the Australian people, only begging to be dismantled from inside and out?

    Is the status quo ok or can we do better as a people and nation?

    Where are our industries, manufacturing, production and service bases, jobs and incentive schemes?
    Hmmm...good question and sorry to say they are dwindling every day causing Australia to be more reliant on the rest of the world for our survival.

    So if we pull our head out of the sand and world of denial, can we all agree we are advancing toward greater freedoms and prosperity for all or are we simply heading down the slippery slope of conformity, tyranny and dictatorship??
    where the caring dads - By:shane from QLD, australia on May 12, 2014 @ 9:05 am
    What the fuck is going on,where ru,I'm living in the street and I'm still fighting for my beautiful children,wot the fucks wrong with u,
    Help and Drugs - By:Bewitched from Vic, Austrlalia on August 2, 2016 @ 6:18 pm
    Speaking of counselling and getting help and on this glorious Mother's Day, a young girl whose been staying with us temporarily, away from an abusive and controlling mother over many years, has obviously a few issues(self esteem, parental rejection, absent father etc), was recently prescribed antidepressants after visiting a doctor. Sounds acceptable and the norm in this day and age doesn't it in our sick world, but no other support was talked about just medication for at least 6mths she was told, which as we all know will turn into 10+yrs as it usually does through dependency and the like. Another great racket for our medical industry and big pharma. At barely 18 it's not really a great start when she should be getting out and about, working, schooling, networking and making new friends and enjoying life. Whilst i'm personally against all that drug shit , having helped numerous people off them back into a better life, somehow I'm not so sure I can help this young girl yet because deep down they have to want to get better which can take countless years of hard work. This is yet another sad example of when mum and dad break up, families and the kids are often never the same again. So to all those mums, dads and people who contribute to the demise of families, happy f&#*king mother's day!!
    Get a good woman - By:Stanley from Qld, Australia on May 10, 2014 @ 11:08 am
    ur right sahane,,,hear u buddy!! nobody really cares bout you& fam breakups..learned it long time ago. take care urself,,get a good women & hang n there alright??
    WARNING - By:shane from QLD, australia on May 10, 2014 @ 8:39 am
    Do men even read this shit,no one gives a shit,WHY,who knows but that's the way it is.No one gives a shit about u so stop comin on here seeking counselling or sympathy cos no one gives a shit,isn't that right f4j
    step familys - By:Leon Wilz from Glenelg SA, Australia on April 21, 2014 @ 9:17 am
    Have been divorced & all that stuff. After that in r'shp with mother of 3 older kids for bout 5 and bit yrs. I ended it suddenly as no consideration to me, was all about her,kids & work. Swore not to get in another r'ship with woman & older kids, yet I did for now over 1yr. Damn!! Have no real connection to kids & just wondering whether I am right for this r'ship or have made mistake. Should I get a woman without kids who just wants me for who I am. Any advice out there would be great.
    No support 4 men - By:alan from vic, australa on April 14, 2014 @ 10:46 pm
    bike ride sounds good col yet dont hav a bike. went into the office the other day (centrelink) for a routine visit of good for nothing help and was given a coupl photocopys with services. I thought here we go, maybe somethin useful. Out of 13 categoris there were no services for men unless you regard CSA as a service listed under emergency telephone numbers useful.
    Organising - Start with a weekly group r - By:Col from wa, australia on April 12, 2014 @ 6:49 am
    Interesting reading regarding the lack of blokes ability to organise themselves.

    I'll throw it out there what about building up support through a weekly F4J bike ride in each state.

    WA it would be the foreshore on the Swan River to do a bridges ride 10K. Ideally meet on the foreshore in front of the family court or on the hill at parliament house wearing a bit of F4J paraphernalia on a Sunday morning

    Hopefully building up numbers over the months.

    I'm sure other capital cities would have ideal rides also.

    Men like to keep fit and ride bikes

    What say
    Where are wo/men going?? - By:Bewitched from Vic, Australia on April 11, 2014 @ 10:41 am
    Nice BJ. As young men get smarter and more reluctant to get embroiled in relationships and families, due to anti male FC/CSA agendas, what of the poor women who get left on the shelf because of such abhorrent govt/corp policies? What will women now do, those who wanted the chance to be loyal wives, get a home and be good mums? Will they be looking toward a Sperm Bank? Of course, it all makes sense. Those filthy banksters wanted families to break apart just so they could come in with their crumby Sperm Bank operation for the women. So fatherless homes will presumably become a norm. So fathers in families will become non-existent for awhile I think until women wake-up too and see that men with all their good points, as well as faults, are still a better proposition for a family of well rounded children.
    210. What are Men? - By:BigJoe from Victoria, Australia on April 11, 2014 @ 1:09 am
    Great words and enthusiasm Shane to get the troops moving, you sound like an honourable man. You can fight with me anytime.

    However, although I might be an old fart and worn out, what I have gleaned over many years about the behaviour of Australian men in general, may explain the lack of enthusiasm to get up off their arse and fight. There being a few male exceptions of course, including those on this site.

    a) Man is designed to only work for a short time and when he has to. Man can normally not endure hard times for any length of time.

    b) Man is essentially hedonistic and non-sacrificial and yes and what's in it for him. Yes man often thinks with his dick as we all know. To work tirelessly without receiving some form of gratitude or satisfaction is not a man's quiescent state.

    c) Man is unable to network with other men for the good of other men nor children. Their focus is narrow and concentrated.

    d) Man will only get out of their comfort zone either when they choose to or are absolutely forced to survive.

    e) Man has difficulty being open with his emotions and power unless under special circumstances, like at a sporting match where it's socially acceptable to shed a tear when his team loses or wins.

    f) Some men can use their emotion to fight for their property and family, as it is an attack on his person and survival. But again, this is only for a short period of time as they don't have the mental or emotional stamina, usually not aware of their god given rights and power.

    g) Man is often a fix it person and quick decision maker, hence if he can't remedy a situation he moves on. i.e. If something is too hard, like battling the system, he will work out a way to get round or over the obstacle.

    h) Man often works on acceptable losses, they won't flog a dead horse.

    i) Man won't go to jail for a principle.

    j) Man has been feminised and sold his soul for the dollar, toys and fun.

    k) Man is generally a loner and quiet type who don't need others to survive.

    l) Man's ego is often far bigger than his belly. He is often loathed to become a fool and depart from political correctness. Society has robbed him of his true manly values and left him that of coward.

    m) Man's need for control is strong, but not always strong enough when challenged.

    n) When men feel like a failure, their morale is low and don't advance, depression and suicide can often be imminent.

    o) Men often prefer peace to confrontation.

    p) Men are more protectors, providers and defenders more than aggressors.

    q) Man without true purpose is both lost and sunk.

    r) Men have lost themselves and fail to remember who they really are.

    Whilst your viewpoint may differ, these are but a few from my standpoint.
    If men could only realise and resume their true brotherhood the world might be a far better place for all.

    So in conclusion, man will mostly only fight a battle when he is personally affected. His fight will then usually be by himself as man alone due to his proud nature, limited knowledge and resources. He may join the collective battle some time later after he awakens to an underworld that is never revealed in the mainstream, but then how long he wishes to endure such resistance, hardship and sacrifice against such great forces, can only be attributed to what type of value the individual man wishes to place upon his life and that upon his brothers and sisters.
    100,000 men - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 10, 2014 @ 2:08 am
    PETITION-We the people demand a Royal Commission into corruption in the Family Court of Australia,Royal Commission into Child Safety,investigation into why the Geneva Convention and UN CHARTER for the protection of children is not being implemented or followed by the Family Courts,sexual discrimination against men,why purjory is not a gaolable offence if proven,ROYAL COMMISSION into legal child abuse in Family Courts,where are u australia
    100,000 men - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 10, 2014 @ 12:13 am
    My name is shane wells,I am 42 years old and the family court has now put me into the gutter,I'll be living on the street from the 22/4 so ID may as well do something useful,I'm very very serious,enough talk,who will back me,I'm so serious here's my phone number,0497169295,come on australia I'm committed
    100,000 men - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 9, 2014 @ 11:58 pm
    If fathers are serious about our childrens plight and I can get backing from dads from around oz then I will go on TV and I will walk from townsville to canberra getting petitions signed all the way to deliver to the child abusers in canberra,are fathers willing to back me and put it out there,I would leave on 22/4/14 outside townsville family court,so who's with me,let's put on a show,I'll do the work
    WARNING - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 9, 2014 @ 11:25 pm
    In 2006 the law was changed to be fairer to fathers,scoff scoff,during my trial the judge said 50/50 doesn't work so its no wonder no father gets it unless negotiated between both parties,the statistics show less than 10 percent are granted shared care and less than 3 percent of child abuse casrs are taken seriously even with proof,the prote tion of our kids is not the courts priority,giving them back to mum is regardless of risk of harm and in the process they will lay false,demeaning and corrupt allegations against you and put it in black; and white so your reputations fucked
    100,000 men - By:Chris from NSW, Australia on April 9, 2014 @ 10:32 pm
    Great forum guys. Thought I would pop up and share my bit on my day off, well sicky actually. Cough..cough...cough
    Numbers are the secret no doubt about it Shane. I'm with you. Why should good fathers keep getting th cue stuck up their ass? But maybe we are a minority. How many men are suffering, does F4J have a poll with numbers? Loss of assets, bugger all contact and excess child support, second class citizen, Im sick of it, it's all gotta end. Maybe dis is why im sick. Have wondered how this could be done and wht our plan would be. Question is how many fathers/men would follow when most are too slothful, ignorant, afraid and in their comfort zones. We would need issues that are righteous and good for every man/father/woman and family, else it won't stick. time for a beer
    blatant corruption - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 9, 2014 @ 2:29 pm
    Its about time all fathers stood together in the one place,namely parliament house and built a tent city and show the mongrels that people power and our right to be fathers is our right and we won't take their corruption anymore,our kids are our kids,not a notch on a corrupt judge,frw or lawyer,100,000 strong camped outside parliament house til a royal commission is considered is the least we could do for our kids.Any feedback
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