The F4J Have Your Say area is simply a place for everyone where you get the Freedom, Peace, Love and Respect to share what's going on for you.
There is no right or wrong about what you say or how you say it
the main thing is you let it out!
So have your say, vent your spleen, say your peace, let your feelings, emotions and thoughts run free as opposed to bottling it up causing ill health in you and for others.
Chances are there is somebody relating to exactly what's happening or of concern to you. What you say may very well help others as well as yourself. Once we all realise we are not alone and we are all in this together in one form or another, as living men and women with fundamentally the same psychological and biological structure, a great sense of relief and peace can come from this knowing.
However, the only condition in this forum is we ask you not to identify family members by their true names. Not because of man made rules, fear or ignorance, but purely based on respect for yourself, your family and reasons of higher good, else you're free to let loose.
This Have Your Say section is an open forum and not censored as such giving you the freedom to let rip with whatever's on your mind.
So with all that out of the way.... Go straight to writing a comment now
For the uninitiated the FamCrt game is a simple one. The first hearing (interim) gives primary residence generally to the parent who has possession of the kids usually backed by a status quo of stability for some months. Fathers can often become primary carer of the kids at this point if mums have run off, left the abode or in a bad state on drugs etc. From a lawyers perspective and the business of fleecing mum and dad, lawyers will prefer that Dad's win at interim residence as this way it keeps both parents in the fight at least up until the final hearing where Dad thinks he has a good chance of so called victory.
The final hearing however, if mums put their hand up for residence they pretty well get it. Only the exceptional case of big dollars, a qc, and very good evidence against the mum may win it for Dad.
Psych reports, witnesses and evidence/affidavits are all part of the illusion to keep two or more parties embroiled in a conflict that ultimately liquidates their cash and family assets.
"We don't need a warrant - we're the Police!" ..... Australian Police trespass, assault and imprison Australians with impunity.
"We don't need a contract - we're the Banks!" ..... Australian Banks steal from and dispossess Australians with impunity.
"We don't need a commission - we're the Judges!" .... Australian Judges deny Australians their Rights with impunity.
What of the Rule of Law?
"All law hangs on loving God and loving one's neighbour as oneself."
God once delivered the People of Israel from the slavery of the Pharaohs.
When will God come again to "deliver us from evil"?
No reason you have to be represented by lawyers unless some specific direction by the courts as far as I know.
TO: JAN SHUARD - COMMISSIONER CORRECTIONS VICTORIA, EDWARD O'DONOHUE - MINISTER FOR CORRECTIONS (VICTORIA), ROBERT CLARK - STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL (VICTORIA)
For more info & link to sign petition: http://www.f4joz.com/news/newspage.php?yr=14&id=70
It never ceases to amaze the dumbness, self-centeredness, self serving and shortsightedness of the ruling class when it comes to looking after the people, on whose behalf they 'supposedly' were elected to fairly and wisely represent.
Of course the simple and complete answer to all public assets and resources of the nation is to have them owned and administered by the people for the people, avoiding bankrupting this great nation we call Australia and home, to foreign interests who don't care for anything but making a profit without regard to the negative footprint they leave behind.
The only path we should be considering is the wonderful concept of Social Investments where these are setup giving people a direct interest in public services, not shares through an antiquated stock exchange, but many opportunities, employment with great rewards and incentives for all allowing communities and local economies to flourish.
It's really not that hard with the right mindset and attitude and once you get rid of those captains of the ship that continually run aground. This will in turn put big happy smiles on all our faces as we advance towards a brighter future, not some carcinogenic cesspit of fear and being controlled as expendable and mindless robots.
However, the paradigm shift needed for the well-being of the community short and long term will never come as long as our so called leaders and representatives are controlled by interests externally to the best interests of Australia and its people.
The political system has been infiltrated for many years and it's time the people canvassed new ways and forms of leadership in Australia. The political structure and landscape is old and requires an alternative structure, if the current system cannot be suitably transformed.
The trouble has been when you have puppets at the helm who answer to foreign masters, rather than be true leaders and representatives of the nation's people, of course you will always see this continual sell out until one day, there will be no lucky country and our kids will inherit a gigantic physical, psychological and economic wasteland.
This is not what we want to leave our kids, is it?
So remember, we are the problem as individuals, and both individually and collectively have allowed this to happen. Yes, we have taken our eye of the ball, been deliberately distracted by all the control mechanisms, environmental stimulants and addictions known to man, but it's now time to wake, think clearly, act and be brave!
It's up to YOU and each and every one of us to ensure good things happen in this country and around the world. For when we each truly care for others, there will simply be nothing ever to worry about. Good luck to us all.
"It is a serious matter for the state compulsorily to remove a child from his family of birth. The section 31(2) threshold is an important measure to protect a family from unwarranted intrusion while at the same time protecting children from harm  . The wording of Section 31(2) has been the subject of six appeals to the House of Lords and Supreme Court. Those cases have consistently held that a prediction of future harm has to be founded on proven facts: suspicions or possibilities are not enough. Such facts have to be proved on the simple balance of probabilities . This approach is supported by the legislative history of section 31(2) [45-46] . It would be odd if the first limb (actual harm) had to be proved to the court's satisfaction but the basis of predicting future harm did not ."
As for "future harm as a justified reason to take peoples children away", in the main as I understand it, this appeal kills that notion. However keep in mind, we don't want to limit SS from acting when they should and getting kids killed, as has been the case before, but rather we want to stop SS from blatantly removing kids and deliberately fracturing families, not under the guise of safety, but other agendas with destructive intent.
As to "can those parents use that judgment to appeal & get their children back", well this is a good question and one that needs to be pushed repeatedly, through the high court if need be, to allow and promote reunification plus installing a barrier to keep the state out of the lives of all normal loving and caring families once and for all.
The issue of compensation for affected families I believe also needs to be considered.
ie. TUT TUT State, hands of our kids!!
If a referendum is not the answer, then please tell us what we should be asking for.
Although the game at the Family Court circus is rigged with far higher odds against fathers, winning is not always about being triumphant at the conclusion of a Final Hearing.
Firstly, there are no Final Orders when it comes to children as their needs are dynamic and always need to be reassessed. You could have another final hearing in 2 or 3 years time. This hearing on Monday maybe just one battle of a long war, not necessarily a foregone conclusion to having your kids lost forever.
If the FC appointed psych and child rep(ICL) are against you overtly or covertly cos you have a pair of coconuts and not in the FC club, there's not much you can do apart from giving it your best shot kicking them all in their nuts where it hurts, including members of the FC fraternity. Fighting for the rights and welfare of your children is paramount and must always be your first consideration, as I'm sure it is.
On a big picture scale it's a mother's domain with so much history to it, and not personally about you. Of course it's the 'norm' to award mum custody/residence at final hearing time, save rare exceptions.
Preliminary court advice to a self represented litigant in the absence of the above info made available would be to simply run process, be as clear minded and unemotional as you can, don't buy into all the tricks and allegations of the other side, and don't concern yourself with the outcome, as easy as that may sound.
The best you can do at this stage for the short and long term, is feel you have been credible, truthful and true to yourself. Saying what you believe is right and important, no matter what your lawyer has told you, what theatrics lawyers and the judge may throw at you, or what you hope or think the outcome maybe.
In the years to come knowing you did your best with what you knew and the resources you had to keep your kids safe will be what matters. We can't control everything all the time, and where it comes to safety of our kids this can be a hard pill to swallow.
Put all your concerns/abuses before the court and on the record with as much supportive independent evidence as possible. Abuses must be direct threats to the safety of the child. Abuses that any independent fair minded person would agree with, not just your set of values.
So who is up for it.
Join a class action for damages arising from the discrimination meated out by the BASTARD Judges and Magistrates
Use the ambulance chasers themselves, one of or a bunch of the big class action firms - no win no pay.
Don't wallow join up.
I want to hear from people willing to sign up and tell their story. Give the money to your kids for the slow start these bastards are imposing on them.
Who's up for it?
Are they planning to do anything or try to get away with doing nothing believing we will still vote for them because they are not quite as bad a Labour and the Greens. If they do nothing I'll vote for the lunatic fringe parties and see where that goes
What are we really trying to achieve in a big picture sense, as well as minor matters? There is no point in running around like headless chooks without clearly knowing what needs to be changed to make life better for all.
In a bid to seek clarity and unity in an ever changing world, F4J encourages all to have their say in the Minister for Men section.
Should we even have one, or not, as is the present case?
Also, be sure to add your details for those who are keen to join other members in their state for meetings and protests.
I'm a long way behind with the things that I need to do but when I've caught up I will starting building a new section to the megaphone which will allow members from all the different help & support groups (who's contact details I've collected over the last 10 years) to let each other know about those who have been successful in the past & co-ordinate our efforts to bring about real change & redress in the future. There is nothing to stop us from demanding real change & redress when enough people are simply willing to help each other & they deal with one issue at a time.
It is pointless for the courts to make orders if those orders are not then enforced. There is a legitimate public interest in ensuring that where an order is made by the court it is subsequently obeyed. Failure to enforce contact orders is the basis of some of the claims that the system is 'biased against fathers'. Furthermore, a failure of the State to enforce orders in this sphere has been held by the European Court of Human Rights to amount to a breach of the State's positive obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights.
In an exclusive investigation , Dispatches puts judges in the dock and asks why no judge has ever been sacked for incompetence. In fact, there are no records kept of how often judges are getting it wrong, and with what consequences.
Going back through the court transcripts of over 5,000 successful appeals and gathering the opinions of leading QCs, Dispatches reveals for the first time the alarming scale of judicial mistakes that can have devastating effects on those up before the court. This film is a special investigation by Mark Easton, Home Affairs Editor at Channel 4 News.
On this Shame & Name theme, I believe we need one not aimed at mums or dads, but all officials that supposedly serve the public. This would include the organisation plus key personnel like managers and executives etc.
Is Australia advancing or simply going backwards?
Every industry, every sign and example shown by many seems to indicate we are going down hill.
I really want to believe we are moving forward but just don't see it.
I am a positive person. I can look at the sky, trees, animals, nature, the beauty of life like our children and breathe in our wonderful air, but everything man is touching is going to rack n ruin. Why?
What's really going on, am I the only one feeling this phenomena? Does it feel like your spirit is breaking? I thought we were the lucky country from being smart.
I would really like to hear what others have to say?
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Who are their policies designed to protect children from?
Dear Sir Michael Wilshaw,
If councils don't collect information on child abuse perpetrators how can they write policies which would effectively protect children & would you kindly ask those who don't collect this information who their policies are designed to protect children from?
It was very hard to get out of the 7 yr relationship with her as you do feel sorry for them, you help them, you have your own stuff going on and sometimes you fall in love with them and want to remain loyal and make a real go of the relationship.
But what it really means is you fall victim to their prey-ing mantis mentality and your in deep sh&&t.
Funny thing tho my ex wife who i had kids with many years ago, well i had learnt from a forensic psyche that she was a narcisist and another woman i dated for a bit was also abit that way. Wow i said to moir what am i doing to attract these types. Havent figured it yet apart from the thrill i sometimes got with them.. at times mind you. And now im with a normal woman where i sometimes think is something missing and perhaps the problem is with me...
To: Mark Lancaster2
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:16 PM
Subject: Fatherlessness linked to crime levels and anti-social behaviour.
I've copied below a message I sent on the 10th of August in 2004.
Best regards Dave
I was pleased that Mr Howard said that boys benefit hugely from a fathers influence and with girls that it reduces pregnancies. Mr Howard has realised that divorce and fatherlessness are linked to crime levels and anti-social behaviour but there are many factors contributing to the rise in juvenile violence and crime, from the glorification of violence in the media to the failure of the "war on drugs but the main causes is the relationship between the welfare state and crime.
NEW research shows that single mothers are more prevalent in countries where the state provides plenty of benefits. In Britain a quarter of all children are brought up by single parent mothers more than any other in the European Union and Increases in public support for single mothers is significantly associated with a higher prevalence of never-married and divorced mothers in 17 western countries.
Best regards Dave
August 09, 2004
Howard blames fathers
"Controversial changes to Victoria’s speed camera rules will allow police to hide behind trees and road signs and position themselves at the bottom of hills in the name of camera operator safety.
A News Limited report reveals the new policy changes – which come into effect immediately – that claim to be designed to protect mobile speed camera operators from motorists by allowing them to hide behind bushes, poles and other fixed objects.
While previously speed cameras were “under no circumstances” permitted to be covertly concealed and banned from use on downhill sections of road, the new wording allows their use in such instances if the “road safety objective” can’t be achieved in another position.
Victoria Police defended the changes to the speed camera rules, contending that the amendments embraced some of the recommendations made by the state’s speed camera commissioner.
“The amendments were made to specifically focus on the occupational health and safety of mobile speed camera operators, which is paramount in ensuring they can work in a safe environment,” a Victoria Police spokesperson said.
Are you f...cking serious!! Let's look after the little camera operator revenue raisers at the xpense of families and children going under and breaking up due to financial stress. Seriously, put this much pressure on people and people are gona start crashin into these camera operators and probably much much worse! I'm surprised camera poles haven't been yet cut down with angle grinders??
The mobile speed camera policy changes will be made publically accessible on the Victorian Government’s ‘Cameras Save Lives’ website.
The website explains mobile cameras are used in unmarked vehicles at approximately 2000 locations across Victoria’s road network. A list of the locations is also available online.
Locations for mobile cameras in Victoria must satisfy at least one of the following: there has been a serious or major collision at the location in the past three years; there have been complaints of excessive speed; it has been identified by Victoria Police to be a speed-related problem location; and, speed enforcement by non-camera devices is unsuitable."