Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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By: Joe from Victoria, Australia on February 9, 2014 @ 11:19 pm
Everybody's lives are different, we all walk different paths there for everyones experiences are different. In my case is moved countries, sold everything I had to be the father I was suppose to be. Things changed, not from my doing but from my ex girlfriends doing. Basically, I was told that the baby wasn't mine, duck off, I had no where to go!! Lucky my mother had family friends that I knew nothing of that took me in. 10 years later, I am married have a son, mortgage, full time job. Now my ex comes chasing for child support. What the duck. Are not serious? I've moved on after what she said to me. Is it because she doesn't want to look for a job? I don't know what to do!!!!!
 
By: nmb from nsw, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 3:19 pm
Anthony
10 children can feed the father/mother depending on how much the non custodial parent earns.....
In the Australian Family Law system children are money to the custodial parent.

By the way....I was on both sides of the CSA coin...My son lived with us....I got no payments from her for him all the while being chased for what I owed. The CSA was not going to fight for me while they were fighting for her.....major conflict of interest.
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 3:00 pm
NMB...

We might have more in common than you think.
I was also the victim of abuse from my ex, although I was too gutless to report it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is...
Why help people avoid/minimise CSA payments?
When I believe the solution is better to help fathers gain custody of their children, during separation. As long as they have the child's best interest.
And they serve moral values.

That way the shoe would be on the other foot...

A father can feed 10 children, but 10 children can't feed the father.

Btw- I'm sorry if I offended, but the issue does have a moral side to it first and foremost.



 
By: nmb from nsw, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 3:03 pm
Anthony
Are you going to take responsibility for your words that are hurtful to those that you so blindly throw them at without thinking of the story that the other person is/has lived. I once many years ago thought like you....conservative born again Christian. As I got older and wiser I learned that there are many many shades of grey and to listen to others before I made a judgment. I ask you to do the same before spouting crap
 
By: nmb from nsw, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 2:38 pm
*shit*

There were many many more incidents in those 11 years. ...but that was the beginning and the end
 
By: nmb from nsw, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 2:19 pm
What bugged me Anthony is your comment that insinuates that I split up my family....
My wife was domestic violent towards me....first thing she ever did was throw a pot of boiling water from the stove top at me....the last thing she did was hit me in the back of the head with a 300 mm shifting spanner 11 years later. AND SHE WAS THE ONE THAT LEFT ME. I was never going to leave as I had a family to look out for. Your comments sit me
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 1:59 pm
Just to clear the air...

I'm not judging anyone...
We all own a mirror for that.
I'm happy to help GENUINE FATHERS in a mentally unstable state, as I was once there myself.
After reading about the 11 year old boy that was killed by his father, it has made me more passionate to put an end to the LIES.
Please don't resort to anti-depressants or psychological methods used today.
It's a natural process to grieve the loss of a relationship especially when kids are involved.
Being understanding and reasonable are key elements to keeping it CIVIL.
All the best.

 
By: John from NT, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 12:11 pm
On yer Rob and Nmb.
Here is a famous quote to support your fishing net example Rob:
Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets break through. - Jonathan Swift.

That sounds like the Family Law Courts and their debt collectors the CSA - fine examples of the seperation of powers. Lovely Jubbly!

Cheers
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 1:47 pm
Oops...did I hit the nail on the head???

It was a general question about paying parents.
However, I'm the one laughing at such a reaction especially from you Niel.
What's wrong...does the truth hurt or is it the lies that you've believed for soo long that hurts.
It seems you already know the answer...JESUS CHRIST.
Great man, that Jesus Christ, helped me to where I am now.
Yeah and I did pray...and the kids came back to me and I kept my house.
Who says God doesn't deliver, has NO FAITH.
Could it be that the basis of people's power is a hole between the legs?
Remember, you guys had kids to be Fathers, Not to become kids yourselves.

Have people forgotten that when that child was first born you would have cut of your right arm for them...so what's changed now.

JESUS once said "LET THE CHILDREN COME TO ME...."

Time to dust off the bible for a lot of you.

A MAN WOULD RATHER BE RIGHT IN HIS OWN MIND AND DIE THAT WAY THEN ADMIT HE WAS WRONG.



 
150. By: nmb from nsw, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 12:10 pm
Oh Anthony. ....
Stop talking and start thinking.
There are some pretty nasty women out there that actually use and abuse the system. My Oh Anthony. ....
Stop talking and start thinking.
There are some pretty nasty women out there that actually use and abuse the system. My ex was one of them.You can't talk the talk because you haven't walked the walk.
You are a receiving parent and as such that's all you can talk about with experience. ...please don't make judgments on other people's life experiences. What did Jesus say.....judge not lest ye be judged......hmm . Think I'll go pray noex was one of them.You can't talk the talk because you haven't walked the walk.
You are a receiving parent and as such that's all you can talk about with experience. ...please don't make judgments on other people's life experiences. What did Jesus say.....judge not lest ye be judged......hmm . Think I'll go pray now.
 
By: Rob B from WA, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 11:46 am
Re:Anthony
The CSA can be likened to a fishing net. Yes, the immoral parents all too often fall through the net. Those who break up, expose & obliterate the family unit also seem to have a knack for squirming out of their obligations, child support and otherwise.

Those types I would guess aren't the majority who frequent such forums like this, they are too busy onto the next 'good thing' or their next prey like a narcissist on heat.

However, those parents who undertook marriage, children & family as a serious life commitment & union with god & their partner, are often the ones who get a shitty raw deal from a unilateral decision by the other parent to end the r'ship & then having to deal with what is often an unfair legal/csa process that often rewards those who are the most cunning & unscrupulous.

Immoral acts can apply to women as equally as men, it just depends on what specifics we are talking about.

The unfortunate result now I see everywhere is that the australian culture & number of men getting into serious commitments with women is dropping off big time, hence they are not 'thinking with their dick' as much as past gens. Our young men are keeping single, cashing up, having fun (incl. with their dick) but no more kids, as they all too well know what's in store for them re family courts & csa.

But what of our poor loyal women who want kids, families & to serve their man as in the scriptures & many old cultures today?

With the current aussie family culture and breakdown processes today, it seems everyone misses out paying a hefty price one way or another!


 
By: John from NT, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 10:20 am
To Anthony from Vic and Migsy from NSW. You guys rock!

And it is reassuring that no one has responded to your 'loaded opinions' from the self righteous, neo-conservative side of things.

Still you are entitled to your opinion and it is of course welcome on this site.

Such a simple truth - the universal truth. If only I had know all those years ago............

Thank you and God Bless!


 
By: Rob B from WA, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 8:08 am
Re Joe & Benny:
In 1983, after his 8 year stint as PM, Malcolm Fraser advised Australians to take their money out of the banks & hide it under the bed. He clearly knew an Orwellian agenda was coming & he was right. It's here right now.

No one should have money in the banks as their ROI is bugger all, plus the perception of integrity & trust in banks, govt agencies & courts by many is low.

The Child Support Agency is but one example. The CSA, a misnomer at best, can help themselves to your accounts on a whim without any real justification or notice to you, save a big shock when you go to the ATM & find out the money you just worked hard for over the past f/n & needed for rent, food & expenses was gone in a flash, as if you don't matter or have any say.

CSA = CENTRE for SPURIOUS ACTIVITIES
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 8:59 am
To the immoral paying parents...

I'm sorry, but its been bugging me for some time on this forum that people complain as to whether CSA is acting unethical.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

I'm sure separated parents with kids are suffering from your immoral decision to break up the family unit. What ever your reasons may be...
It was good at the time to have children, but now it inconveniences your wallet.
Btw for those that don't understand what morals are, they come from the 7 virtues. Yes, it does mean to stop thinking with your dick😀

From a legal stand point...the CSA can act as unethically as they want, with the Power of God, Queen and Country.

Question is;
How will you defend your immoral acts now?


 
By: Benny from SA, Australia on February 17, 2014 @ 7:34 am
Hey Joe, CSA is a debt assessment/collection agency with totalitarian powers to withdraw funds from any bank account anytime taking any amount they wish. If a debt accrues they can seek orders and seize assets causing you bother.

The CSA doesn't recognize either common sense or fair play and definitely not what you want, choose or your second family's needs. Payers currently get $21,622 exempt and that's it.

The CSA can be like a pitbull on steroids.

Middle of the road income earners trying to do the right thing usually won't succeed with the CSA as you will end up working for nothing. It's the same as having kids with the wrong woman, you're totally screwed!! Best go on the dole and do some cash work on the side, or run a company/business.

Taking the CSA court won't do much if you have income/assets. The courts will not be in sympathy with you, they will most likely make orders to facilitate the CSA's demands.

Google child support calculator
http://www.familylawmattersaustralia.com.au/child-support
http://www.familylawwebguide.com.au/cs/pg/calculator
http://www.dadsindistress.asn.au/www/content/default.aspx?cid=1201&fid=1247

 
By: Joe from Victoria, Australia on February 16, 2014 @ 4:13 pm
I have a wife that doesn't work, a son that goes to primary school, a mortgage. Does csa look at the fact that I have to support them as well as possibly pay child support?

For all the Einsteins out there, how much will it have to pay if I was earning under $50k like year, have a wife and a child that doesn't work, have a mortgage owning $150k, how much will it have to pay given this information? Does csa get there hands on money saved in a bank account? Or just surely income? Do I have a choice of how much child support to pay or whatever they decide after an assessment, that's what goes? If I don't have enough to support my family now, do I tell the csa or don't bother just take them to court?
 
By: Migzy from Nsw, Australia on February 7, 2014 @ 5:36 pm
Hi All, firstly I got on this site seeking an answer to the question of what happens to a child support debt once a child turns 18? I think alot of you have lost sight of the fact that once upon a time you actually loved your ex partners, and the vast majority of you made a choice to then have children. If you didn't express your wishs to not have children, there were steps you could have taken ( condoms ) but you and you alone chose not to. I thank you all for sharing the information on how a person can avoid paying child support.
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on February 6, 2014 @ 7:12 pm
NMB...I read your past post and firstly I want to say, I'm not here to have an argument nor am I trying to be difficult.
I think it was my post about dodging the bullet that sparked this backwards and forwards.
Look, your certainly right with the guidance you have provided as I've received the same information in the past also.
To try and hit the nail on the head on...
It's this bullying and intimidating behaviour that not only CSA use to force people into unjust position, but from my experience the AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT AND ALL THEIR AGENCIES, including the police.
I will name them all that I've had experience dealing with...
FEDERAL COURT (Family court)
DHS (department of human services)
Victoria Police
Local Magestrates court
Local Council
Water Company
Sorry, I can't list CSA coz the shoes on the other foot for me.
To get where I am I had to fight all these agencies...lol even the water company.
So I guess what I'm trying to say is the whole country is built on these lies and unethical behaviour and FEAR by people in authority and if your lucky you might get a reasonable person now and then.
It's great people want to stand up and be heard, but it's like a cancer this problem.
I'm putting my foot down to this fear based tactic and I suggest everyone do the same. It's UNLAWFUL ASSUALT!!!
Sorry Neil...I'm very passionate when it comes to people having something put over them. Coz there's always someone stronger or smarter that they can't mess with.
Maybe this forum serves this purpose...great to see everyone come together.
Bye for now

 
By: Beenthruit from Qld, Australia on February 6, 2014 @ 8:05 am
CSA seem to 'punish' those who own and run there own business most. I was a 40% shareholder in a service business. Through there arbitrary assessments I was driven out of the business having to sell my shareholding because otherwise I would have been sent bankrupt by the csa. Once no longer a shareholder this left me vulnerable and I eventually lost my job. Unfair csa decisions end up benefiting no one as now my ex-wife and children are also worse off. Following one csa decision after paying tax, mortgage and child support I was left with $2 a fortnight to support myself. After going to court this decision was reversed, but now it is nigh impossible to get to court where a fair decision may be reached because there are extra steps, hurdles and conditions making it very difficult to get real justice. The cost in time and money to to to reach a fair outcome is horrendous. I believe it is beyond most people to be able to defend themselves against the unjust and unfair decisions so often reached by the csa. CSA officers have too much power and too little knowledge, training and compassion regarding the effects of their decisions.
 
140. By: NMB from NSW, Australia on February 6, 2014 @ 8:37 am
Anthony
If you read my other posts under Neil Bennett you may understand more.
I am through the system now my youngest was 5 when we divorced....my youngest is now 25.....so im not talking off the top of my head. I have a reasonable relationship with my ex and that is what she told me. She started the process.. yes....but as the emotions got old she pulled back.
Anthony .....the CSA can act on anything they DEEM to be correct. as I am self employed I am able to legally minimise my tax liability and as such minimise CSA payments. When I am deemed to earn 110k clear per year ....that's 36% for 4 kids ......when the reality is no where near that number and my ex knew it....I got upset. Read my previous posts under Neil Bennett you might understand a little more....there is no being reasonable with the CSA in my experience.
 
By: Ron Ferguson from NSW, Australia on February 6, 2014 @ 8:24 am
CSA deem you to be earning as much as you were earning previous years without consultation. Which is how they come up with their absurd 'debts'. I resigned in February 2012 and informed CSA of this, however they continue to add 500 a week to a debt that is based on what I was earning almost 2 years ago.They continue to hound me for payment, have made garnishes from my defence pension and even put a freeze on my bank account. The stupidity knows no bounds. I applied for centrelink so CSA garnished it to the point I get $7.70 a fortnight. The Department of Human Resources incorporates both CSA and Centrelink, so in effect they're paying off my 'debt' themselves. If I am not earning what I used to (which I am not)then how am I meant to pay?
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on February 6, 2014 @ 7:14 am
Was reading Gmans posts...

He raises a good point about human rights.
However, since Australia is a commonwealth nation the UN really only sets guidelines. Sure, Australia has signed treaties to conform to these guidelines, like I said before there is no real enforcing agency to enforce this.
What's even funnier is that it's the government that usually reports to the UN every 4 years in most cases. There is a lot of grey in the reports especially to do with Children's Human Rights.
I once spoke to an advocate that said that the UN has no jurisdiction over the federal government. This was in relation to a family court matter.
So to sum it up, unless Australia has committed a crime, there is nothing stopping this country violating treaties\guidelines as its not part of the constitution.

In other words the UN is an illusion with its main purpose to keep the peace between nations.

 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on February 5, 2014 @ 11:18 pm
NMB...seriously that doesn't sound right.
Not sure how it escalated to that amount, but there is always the possibility that the ex wife might have told you an untruth about liability cost and threats ect.
Maybe she doesn't want u to think that she has instigated the collection of a declared amount that one of the parties would affirm, unless Taxable income was used.
CSA can only act on information given to them...tax returns or affirming income details in change of circumstances.
That's what I kinda been trying to say...dont be unreasonable.
Sure they will threaten you wif everything under the sun.
Bottom line is they can make your life hell.
Lol...prob gives the other parent satisfaction.

Look u sound like a pretty firm man...and maybe the Ex is playing the victim so that you don't get aggressive...just a thought.
Anyways, in time it will all make sense.

"I do what I must and know its right."
That's my quote👍👍👍

 
By: Julian from WA, Aus on February 5, 2014 @ 11:34 am
Under current man made fascist system child support formula => Wife + Kids = Man Pay + All unhappy

Under gods system child support formula => Man + Woman + Kids = Happy loving family forever

 
By: NMB from NSW, Australia on February 4, 2014 @ 11:57 pm
Anthony
My ex wife used the CSA to force me to pay as much as possible. Im self employed so they were able to deem me to earn.....pull imaginary figures out of the air based on what she told them.
There are other payees forced into the system by Centrelink

In MY experience the CSA played both sides telling ME that they wont negotiate and telling HER that if she accepted any negotiation she would have to pay the CSA's costs of $30,000.
They did not represent her .....they bullied and threatened her with a costs liability.....all the while threatening and bullying me. In the end she didn't even know what they were doing. They were acting under their own authority.

So in my case they were not the middle man and they were not acting for her as she was willing to negotiate.
Im not sure of your experience but this has been mine
 
By: John from NT, Austraia on February 4, 2014 @ 7:30 pm
There used to be a Child Support Calculator at either of the two addresses below.I used one a year ago but can't make ank sense of either of them now. Do you have any suggested links.

Here are the links i HAVE THAT USED TO WORK:

http://www.australianmensrights.com/CSA_Calculator-Child_Support_Agency-Australia/Child_Support_Calculator_CSA_Australia.aspx

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/child-support/child-support-payment/estimating-your-child-support-payments


cHEERS
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on February 4, 2014 @ 5:07 pm
NMB...I'm not sure we are on the same page.
From my experience CSA will only act if asked to act on the other parties behalf. They are a middle man collection agency. Sure they may threaten with fines or penalties, but who you are really fighting is the person they represent.
It's great that you won...I've fought Government Agencies and the treats and fear they use should be disregarded.
I'm NOT saying to give up and NOT fight.
I am saying there are alternatives to fighting and being reasonable.

It is much safer to be feared than loved.
-Machiavelli

 
By: NMB from NSW, Australia on February 1, 2014 @ 12:01 am
Anthony.....most men will gladly pay for their children. What I think you miss is that the CSA threatens , bullies, deems income on the words of people with vested interests in gaining as much from you as possible, expects and can rob payments without court orders even if it is not fair, just or morally right, without the checks and balances of peer judged law and when found to be wanting can walk away without fear of any type of retribution.
So if you want to be walked over by a Government Dept that has no thought for your or you family's wellbeing, do nothing.....Maybe pray....or you can stand and fight. In my experience, fighting made me feel I was at least trying to protect my family, and in my case I won.

I'm sorry if I seem a little harsh but to fight well, there has to be some emotion in it otherwise it becomes all to much and we lay down and get trampled.
NEVER EVER GIVE IN......it WILL stop one day.....I know.
 
By: troy from nsw, Australia on January 31, 2014 @ 11:13 pm
Thanks for the heads up re a sole trader and company looks like I need to only run a company...
A heads up I have a bank account in trust for a another person they weren't able to touch it either as I was very worried when I seen the form 72a checked the bank the money was still there...
 
130. By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on January 31, 2014 @ 10:58 am
For all those people that are trying to dodge the bullet...

It has been tested in some divorce cases where people tried to hide money under company names and even off shore.
There is even a child maintenance clause that allows such assets be garnished.

Please, save yourself the headache and future expense by avoiding child responsibilities.
I'm not questioning your morals...you can do that yourself.
If you are a director of a company, then the company has the responsibility to support the child\ren prob costing you\director of company more.
If you don't declare a wage of course...

"I will not fear
because fear is the mind killer.
I will face my fear
And let it pass through me"

-Frank Herbert's... Dune

 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on January 31, 2014 @ 10:20 am
Look Joe, seriously, your situation is unique.

Firstly...STOP FEEDING YOUR WORRIES.

Under DeFacto law she cannot touch you according to S45(e) I think of the FLA. Which states that she has 2 years to make application, after a relationship dissolves. As long as you can prove you weren't in relationship wif her in the last two years...you said you got a 4 year old and are married.
LOL

Secondly...I would be applying AS THE APPLICANT in the family court to have a paternity test done.

Finally...
Depending on results...
CSA cannot ask for 10 years of arrears, unless an application was made 10 years ago...and you failed to deal wif the matter then.
Hence, forth only when an application is made wif CSA or CENTRELINK can only be back dated 28 days from a change of circumstances.

Let me know if you want me to assist you.
BTW- I'm not a lawyer, just ur friendly neighbourhood Mathematician.
Good Luck!!!
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on January 31, 2014 @ 9:25 am
A lot of these postings go around in circles.
Sure there is an emotional element to questions asked, but surely there is a logical solution.
Please, follow these instructions and all will resolve.
1. Detach yourself from the emotional problem.
This can be done by treating everything in a business like fashion.
2. If you are a partner of a paying parent...mind your own business.
By getting involved you will escalate the problem if that's what you whan of course.
Just say "It's none of my business what you do and ill love you either way".
3. Leave the past in the past.
Stop torturing yourself over past events.
4. CSA is a middle man for collecting payments.
So don't blame them for doing their job.
5. If these instructions are unclear go see a Pscho-therapist.
Reason being that a persons soul is damaged and needs a way of healing.

All the best everyone.
 
By: Lostinspace from Vic, Australia on January 31, 2014 @ 7:48 am
I wouldn't wprry too much joe csa payments are only related to income capacity and earnings, not assets. Even if a large debt has accrued they can't interfere with the interests of third parties namely your wife. Plus csa payments only begin from when you first make a claim, so the last 10yrs dont count. Just tell the csa you're not the father of the child. If they mention any reference to a birth certificate with your name on it, say yes that was before she told me it wasn't mine one month later. It would be easily argued that if it was yours, why didn't she make a csa claim earlier. As for suing for suffering don't wast your breath or money as there are no physical or financial damages[in law] plus doubt she would have anything to take. A judge just wouldn't make an order like that. Get advice from a lawyer by all means but beware of them sucking you in under the guise of receiving a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, else you maybe paying a legal bill far bigger than any potential child support claim would have ever been without any benefit save to the lawyer. If the boy does want to contact you at some time in the future, hopefully you can be open to him and humane as it's obviously been very hard for him too. Barrys comment is right about each day can be the start of a new life. We are all family at the end of the day and we are all responsible for our young at heart. Life can be short and the future is promised to no one. Keep well.
 
By: Joe from Victoria, Australia on January 30, 2014 @ 6:29 pm
In regards to my story, the ex is from here, the child was born here, and I came from New Zealand. Take in mind that we weren't married.
Any guys out there in my situation or similar story?
I am going to see a lawyer. Can she get her hands into any assets that my wife have together like a house that's almost paid off? I am worried that she may be getting more or if anything that she deserves of the sweat of my brow.
Have any guys tried to sue for suffering like I will be if the child is mine.
Reason thereof is because she denied me the chance to be the boys father. Who is with me on this?
call it selfish if you will but it's just too hard to try to get to know this invisible child that's possibly mine. I have a 4 year old and how do you explain thsomething like that to him, not only that, this boy is 10 or 11, what if she did not raise him properly and we invite him to our home and he does bad things.I just hope that she can't touch anything that my wife and I have together. That would be so unfair. Also can she claims for the last 10 years? Like I said, it's not like she didn't know where to find me, or tried to find me. And yet she has the nerve 10 years later to pull a stunt like this. That's definitely BS
 
By: Barry Picton from Vic, Australia on January 30, 2014 @ 4:08 pm
Hi confused partner sounds like a case of rich mum crying poor.

I suspect any deviation from the normal process won't be credited to your partner. Once orders and assessment are setup there is usually no room for flexibility or adjustment. And without trust between your partner and his ex,(is she a woman scorned because he left her for you?) it won't probably work, hence why it's going through the CSA.

Depending on ages of the kids, telling them your partner does help them by paying for their things can serve to reassure them that they are cared for and not forgotten. ie.loved, even if he can't he always be there..
 
By: Barry Picton from Vic, Australia on January 30, 2014 @ 2:53 pm
Crikey Joe, what a wax job!

You have a moral, legal & financial dilemma to work through both for yourself & the 'invisible' child.

Which country did your ex come from & where was the child born?

If you're on the Birth Certificate then this is enough to presume you're the father for the CSA. Your job will have to be to rebut the presumption of parentage via DNA & through court. It may not be your child even though 10 years ago u thought it was. A DNA paternity test proves it one way or the other for you & the child.

Then, if you are the legal & biological father you have to work out morally whether you still want a relationship even after 10 years & all the negatives that have transpired. Remember, today can be the start of a new life for the child, you & your current family. You all have plenty of living in front of you. It may work out or not.

Your ex may want to off load the child onto you or just be after the cash, or because she has applied for Centrelink & applying for Child Support is a condition of receiving maximum benefits so in her eyes she had no choice. Best feel out if she wants you to see the child & if not, she may drop the CSA push & enter into a low $ or nil private arrangement. You can always apply to the courts for contact.

Last but not least, if your not seeing the child & feel your unable to manage CS payments on top of your new family & in light of the deceptive & shitty deal, you may have to rearrange your life, work, career to minimise your income, else you & your current family may inevitably suffer, &/or leave you, leaving you in the lurch with double trouble. Good luck Joe, hope this has given you food for thought.
 
By: Confused partner from Qld, Australia on January 30, 2014 @ 11:20 am
WOW Joe! Surely they can't make you pay? I have no idea about the system to be honest and as a partner of an amazing paying father I question it daily. I just jumped on with a question myself to see your question and I hope you get an answer.

My question is this. So I am the partner of an amazing paying father, never misses a payment and until his increase of $80/week at the end of the last financial year he paid his weekly amount plus extras incl sport, school, new shoes, clothes etc. Now he has said enough is enough. He pays that money - a second wage in itself (25k per yr) ontop of her 70k yearly wage. So lately comments have been coming from the kids saying "mum can't afford it, mum has zilch money". Being this time of year it's time for sports sign on and guess what.... Mum can't afford it - yet mum has been able to afford renovations and holidays over the Christmas break? Can he hold next weeks payment from her to pay for the sign on or will csa not see that? My partner is feeling guilty but he literally can not afford it after his payment to her per week plus general living costs. Be it wrong or not I said to him I felt the kids should know that he does pay their mum to look after them and even though he is not able to be present day to day he does try to make sure they have a nice upbringing. I think mum may make out he has the easy end. He pays her 100% care for 2 as they do not visit yet - he wants them all 50/50 and she has said no - obviously she would have to stand on her own 2 feet then and lose her 25k yearly bonus from him. He made point of saying to one yesterday that he had paid child support for the week which would cover everyone's sport sign on. I don't know what the right thing is here but I really feel like children should know their dads pay and of the mum spends it on the wrong things then she should have to answer that. Sounds like a rant but it is so frustrating for me to watch a father try and do the best for his kids and be made feel like it's not enough.
 
By: brad from wa, oz on January 30, 2014 @ 11:18 am
really feel for you Joe
I would speak to a lawyer & try and intimidate her ...
 
By: Joe from Victoria, Australia on January 30, 2014 @ 11:07 am
To make a long story short, I gave up everything I had to move countries to be a father to my unborn child in 2003, upon arrival things were really sour and I was trying my best to make things work. Anyway the baby came, it was the best feeling however relationship wise wasn't the best. One month later the ex went out partying while I stayed home with the baby. She returned at 6am in the morning with another guy. I'm like, WTF so I asked her, is the baby mine and do you still love me?
In her own words, "it's not your baby, and I don't love you anymore, so F off!!! What is a man to do after hearing that, also new to the country and had no one, no family, no money as she took everything I had. I had not seen or heard from her or has she made any contact regarding this child that I gave up everything for. 10 years later I get a letter that she's made an application that I need to pay child support. WTF, first she kicks me out of the house after bringing some guy home, and not to mention completely shutting me out of the baby's life, she knew where I worked, she could have faced me regarding child support, now 10 years later she wants to claim child support? I moved on, married, one child, and we are a happy family, now she's haunting me and trying to wreck my beautiful life that I have made when she abandoned me for dead. Can she really do this? I wouldn't have minded paying child support 10 years ago if I had a relationship with this baby, but paying now for something that I didn't even know, or grow with, or share laughter, and hugs etc is beyond me! And at the end of it, my family now has to suffer, what kind of system is this csa. That's not fair!!!!!
I have until the 4th Feb to call back to explain things before they start taking things out of my bank account.
Any advice would be helpful. Thanks
 
120. By: Neil Bennett from NSW, Australia on January 29, 2014 @ 9:32 pm
What Benny said
The CSA cannot touch a company bank account as the company is a legal entity in its own right. It would be like the CSA taking money from your bank account to pay my debt. Partnerships and sole traders they can access your accounts with a 72a application to the bank. With a company structure you can also minimise the wages you earn therefore the amount of tax and CS payments you have to pay. the down side is that it is more expensive to run a company
 
By: Benny from SA, Aust on January 29, 2014 @ 8:17 pm
From what I understand, whilst the CSA can be a ruthless and invasive animal with far too much power at times, I don't believe they can legally touch a company account being a different entity to that of payer. Only account of director based on information the co has to legally provide the CSA can be garnished, whether it be arrears or any amount the CSA decides is owing. A sole trader acct on the other hand, if that's what you are referring to, is open to abuse as it's the same entity as the payer providing enough of a link for direct deductions.
 
By: Troy from nsw, Australia on January 29, 2014 @ 6:37 pm
Hi ,
I was wondering if anyone on here has had any experience with CSA taking arrears money out of bank accounts of a company pty ltd verses having a trading as name eg xyg business trading as your name.
Very unsure if a Trading as name will be safe enough to stop child support touching any of the businesses money.
Await your reply Thanks
 
By: Bewitched from Vic, Oz on January 29, 2014 @ 10:01 am
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned alright, presumably for leaving her for another woman and/or she just maybe the bitter/disturbed type where only distance, time and a new interest in her life may ameliorate her vengeance. You may want to suggest that her behaviour is counter productive to the welfare of your kids and if she doesn't correct her attitude you'll be making a fresh application for residence/custody. Of course, dependent upon their ages, wishes and your current wife.
 
By: Ron Ferguson from NSW, Aus on January 28, 2014 @ 2:03 pm
They can't touch your new wife's income. Put everything in her name. Make sure your wife earns more than you. As for your ex use stalking laws to prevent her impacting on your life.
 
By: Glen Moore from QLD, Australia on January 28, 2014 @ 12:48 pm
Could anyone advise who to contact for advice or action on how to stop an ex wife continually harassing us for money? I have 38% care of my 2 boys, and payments have always been made regularly to Child Support as determined by Centrelink and Child Support. The ex wife has gone to great lengths to have our financial status reviewed by Child Support which lead to an increase in payments. The increase was not enough for the ex, who then employed a private detective to stalk our established business and then sent video footage to Child Support for review. Child Support denied the review request, having already made a fair decision based on our financial situation.
Ex wife has now gone to the Social Securities commission to once again go through all of our personal finances and has requested my current wife's income also for review. Our Combined incomes are both fairly average wages, nothing over the top and total approx $80,000.
Does the ex wife have rights to investigate both of our incomes?
How do we go to, to complain about the constant stalking and financial harassment?
Ex wife is also using the boys to ask for extra money each week on top of what is already paid and puts the kids into an uncomfortable position.
Is there anything we can do to stop her constant harassment?

 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on January 21, 2014 @ 4:10 pm
Hey Dene,
You sound like your in a hard place...
Dunno if this helps, but I prayed in my situation and always tried to stay positive. I know it's hard to stay positive and that's when I preyed.
From my experience the power of prayer released soo much black energy that was trapped within. Im not saying join a church group as they can manipulate people in your situation.
Just close the door and prey, GOD always finds a way.

 
By: Bewitched from Vic, Aust on January 21, 2014 @ 12:20 pm
How much are the CSA saying to pay, and contact your employer to do what, garnish your wages? Why can't you send your daughter a present - orders, money, resistance from ex? How much do the CSA say you owe them? What is the age of your youngest child? How much income do you earn from your employer? Is it a job you want to stay at and/or is there a chance of contracting/self employment or going on the dole? Just a few questions to help provide some clarity.
 
By: Dene from Vic, Australia on January 21, 2014 @ 10:25 am
Thanks Bewitched, I have 2 days to pay CSA or they will contact my employer. I was going to try and fly back to WA to see my eldest for her 18th birthday but now I wont even be able to send her a present. All I wanted was what is best for my kids that is why I handed the everything over to my ex so they would be comfortable but that's not good enough that I've lost my career through depression brought on by the stress of the break up your family, it's not good enough that I've now had to move interstate to find work and start a fresh so that I can support my kids. The CSA still want to suck me dry and leave me with nothing
 
By: brad from wa, oz on January 21, 2014 @ 7:05 am
seconded

you still feel crap tho

I concentrate on cooking

in the evenings ....
 
110. By: Bewitched from Vic, Aust on January 21, 2014 @ 8:12 am
Hi Dene, I'm sorry you are feeling lousy cos you can't be with your girls at the moment and support them in the way you would like. It's heartbreaking as everyone here will attest to. Don't worry about the CSA just ignore these ideologically unsound robots, they can go and get fucked hounding a man in your situation, or anyone for that matter. Hang in there mate, we have all been at the end of our rope, but here me when I say find the strength inside to get through one day at at time and get yourself back to basics, strong and feeling good inside about Dene. It will happen. In time you can assess what your new r'ship with your daughters will be all about. Any specifics you are having a problem with let us all know, we're all here to help.