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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Greg from VIC, Australia on May 13, 2014 @ 4:31 pm
    Hi Helen

    The essense of your story is so familiar to me. It's funny how when people seperate there has to be a huge revenge thing happening but perhaps thats why they seperated. A personality that would be capable of doing the horrible things you mentioned.
    My posting was to alert people that a redundancy payout is CHILD SUPPORT EXEMPT. They willsay otherwise until you speak to the right person at the agency. It worked for me.

    So sad to read how much your partner had to pay when we all know it doesn't cost that much to raise kids

    Regards

    Greg
    By: Helen from Queensland, Australia on May 13, 2014 @ 3:19 pm
    I feel so sad for so many people (including all those kids who are missing out due to a vindictive parent) caught up in this unfair 'system'. All too often many of us share the same stories. My partner's ex is a piece of work who only thinks of herself (not the kids welfare as she keeps on saying she does) and getting as much money out of my partner as possible (this was NZ$400 per week until recently). My partner thought his Parenting Consent Order was filed in Australian Court. It turned out the lawyers and legal aid failed him and his ex moved the children to NZ without his permission. He didn't go down the path of Court order etc due to the fact that his ex had so emotionally blackmailed the kids that they thought (and still continue to do so) that it was all his fault (and mine for being the bad influence) that the family had split up. Meanwhile my partner's ex had had an affair (whilst they were still together) and ended up moving the guy into their home a month after my partner moved out and was soon pregnant with her 3rd child from the 3rd father (my partner adopted her first son as his own and they have a daughter between them). When the ex's new relationship didn't work out she turned all her vindictiveness onto my partner and myself keeping the children away from us with every known excuse in the book. She's teaching the kids that belittling and swearing at their father and me as well as putting down the phone on us is acceptable behaviour. She's teaching them to lie and make up every excuse (following her example) and we both feel so helpless. That's just the tip of the iceberg as you can imagine. The kids are 13 and 10 years old. Like a decent person that he is my partner continued to pay child support into her Australian account after she took the children to NZ and didn't let us know where they were for 3 months. The ex then setup child support with NZ and my partner then had to go through a long convoluted process to try and obtain some of the money back that he had paid out in 'double payments'. The ex lied to the Child Support agency about the money she was receiving. So much of this has taken its toll on my partner and I, especially my partner who my heart goes out to. He is a decent man and a good father who is being kept from his children and is unable to provide much in the way of good influence in their lives. He was demoted at work - his boss spoke about his lack of concentration and he recently went to the doctors who diagnosed depression. Of course, the way was brought up it's not the manly thing for him to admit or to succumb to medication. I am worried about him and I am worried about the children and I feel powerless. We don’t have money for legal fees and Courts, etc… For my partner there are rays of hope with support networks for fathers like this one. Thank you.
    By: Greg from Victoria, Australia on May 2, 2014 @ 10:00 am
    Hi everyone.
    I have experienced everything others have when it comes to the way CSA treat fathers. Clearly they have a culture to disagree with anything the father says no matter what but here's one win that I did have that must affect other fathers.
    I received a redundancy package some years ago and even though I told the CSA it will appear on my tax return and not to include it as normal pay (they said OK)when my tax return was lodged they stole $3500 and then said bad luck.
    I objected, while unemployed, many times with no success until I spoke with a MALE at the CSA. He agreed and the entire amount was refunded.
    This has to be a precedent for all others I would think!

    Whenever you phone child support, make sure you ask to speak with a male staff member!
    By: rusty from wa, Australia on May 1, 2014 @ 2:38 pm
    My ex refuses to work more than 20 hours a week, last financial year she was not working at all our 6 year old is in school and the 2 year old at daycare and we have equal shared custody. But I have to pay her an amount to top her income as she only works 20hrs - she doesn't even have the kids with her when she is at home - while Im doing 100 hrs a fortnight and actually spend time with my kids during the week I have them. CSA dont care and DCP dont care that she is a fucking junkie around my kids
    By: Randall from W.A, Aus on April 26, 2014 @ 10:36 am
    Thanks Sammy and i suspect you have hit the nail fair and sqaure on the head. I am going to try the same thing however i am sure that she lives in an alternate universe where she believes that in the dictionary entitlement is represented under her name, with numerous criminal convictions for stealing i wasnt aware of until after seperation when all of a sudden my friends started acting as such, therefore if she can get her way and and screw me over at the same time as getting as much doh as possible(allowed by our flawed sytem) then that is how she will proceed. only time will tell and some court appearances. Cheers Sammy, Oh and a torn hamstring here from skiing last weekend, feel your pain.
    240. By: Sammy G from NSW, Australia on April 23, 2014 @ 2:16 pm
    I wouldd like to say welcome Randall to one of the most unfair and illogical set of processes of all time, the Govt flunkees vs Man however its more like commiserations. She prob stoppd u seein kids cos she wanted more doh plus after awhile they learn they cann get away with it so they do it to spite father plus to much bother? My ex tried that many years ago so I threatend her with gettin custody so she pulled her head in. No class action that i know off but don't think most men want to look after kids for most of the time, just see them here n there..signing off fellas ...Sammy G wit a crook knee
    By: Randall from W.A, Australia on April 22, 2014 @ 8:26 pm
    I have been paying child support directly to my ex for over 2 years. Recently she decides to stop me seeing our kids, calls chld support and just like that they may as well patted her on the back and said well done. Now you have stopped him seeing the kids we will get you some more money. holy shit balls how can a Government agency condone and encourge this behaviour by not emposing any penalties to the person holding the kids. I am just gobsmacked and outraged all at the same time. Child support means whoever does the worst acts to the other parent shall get the best outcome.unjustified, ludicrous and downright crazy. i am goin to have a crack at the courts and have engaged the best lawyer i can find/ afford. i am not confident but i am pissed and if it all goes pear shaped at least i tried. then its war. i will lobby officials, i will become a pest, i will continue to do what i can to promote awareness and change.
    Q: Has or does anyone know if a class action has been tried against these obvious flaws in F.L.A and C.S.A affecting all good parents in Australia?
    Change doesnt just come, it must be embraced, earned and encouraged by all those seeking a better way! And only then can suitable action and outcmoes begin to emerge.
    By: Daveyone from Hertfordshire, United Kingdom on April 9, 2014 @ 3:16 pm
    CSA? Don't Pay if your kids are held to ransom!
    By: Tess from WA, Australia on April 8, 2014 @ 1:38 pm
    My partner (fiance) has been paying $150 per week to his ex wife for one dependant who is to be 18 years old this coming June 1st 2014. His son has not attended school for 2 years and only works a part time job. We have been together for just over two years. He has been separated (now divorced) for 21/2 years and paying his ex wife for their son the agreed amount of $150 per week for the whole time we have been together. In Jan this year he reduced the payments to $80 per week because he was sinking furthur into debt to the amount of approx $60000.00. When he changed to $80 per week he messaged his ex-wife that he needed to reduce the payments, apologising and stating that their son should now be working full-time and that he was covering his room and weekly board. His ex-wife quit her job mid feb this year,(her last tax return was $63,000) and went to CSA asking them to collect on her behalf (back dating 3 months)at an income of zero!???. CSA have threatened to take my partners wages and tax returns etc. He has only 6 weeks to go till his son is 18. CSA will not listen to our circumstances, and will not take into consideration our financial status.When he left his wife he took all the family debt $40000.00 which includes his ex wife's car (she drives around in). He still owes $30000.00 of that loan.He has given his ex wife since they split for a son NOT going to school and NOT working FULLTIME $16,000.00 to date.My partner is supporting me and my daughter as wellas my daughters father is one of those "shifty fathers" who doesn't want to pay anything and because he owns his own business - doesn't pay!
    By: Ron Ferguson from NSW, Australia on April 8, 2014 @ 11:52 am
    The flawed system is the CSA the very agency that keeps me too broke to fight. Bo they are not interested in you as a person you're just dollar signs to CSA.
    By: John from NT, Australia on April 8, 2014 @ 11:07 am
    What we need in this country is a Bill of Rights!
    It is quite illuminating that we don't have one and check this link out for the reason why. Good old Honest John - what a legend!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_rights
    As always - good luck gents; in this cuntry, you will need it.
    By: Bo Carter from WA, Australia on April 8, 2014 @ 7:59 am
    I found out a month ago that the mother of my sons 16 and 15yrs old kicked them out and disowned them. Since December last year she has been living with a bloke(undeclared to Centrelink) and claiming both Family Allowance and Child Support. I contacted the CSA by email to give them all the details and when I eventually spoke to them they said they rarely read emails and that I need proof by getting in touch with Centrelink as my oldest is on YA. My oldest son is finally safe back in Perth and his brother lives with his gf's family. This mother tried to make my kids wards of the state when they were toddlers without my knowledge, she was and still is using drugs and alcohol, has been frauding centrelink since the day they were born and isn't in jail where she belongs. I have always paid for my boys and doing nothing wrong y the law yet the CSA makes us fathers out to be assholes. I have contacted the state ombudsman and centrelink with the proof but I guess the geraldton office will just keep on plodding along not giving a shit. Just wish the snobby cows at CSA would bloody listen instead of being chauvinistic pigs.
    By: Neil from Sth Aust, Aust on April 7, 2014 @ 6:58 am
    Thanks Anthony. One just gets to that point in life where you see many things with crystal clear clarity. For instance the duality of the political system is one of the most cockeyed concepts I have ever come to witness. Politicians fighting against each other is bloody useless, more division as opposed to unity. Plus the system pays them handsomely to shut up, don't question the big & important issues, do nothing, do as your told and have fun. We don't care what you do or what trivial policies you make just don't step on the big boys toes! Just act like spoilt kids and just put on a pretend play for everyone to watch - no one cares, no one will put you in jail, as a politician you have a get out of jail free card. Yes politics is one big circus which the unenlightened buy into. A big distraction to keep everyone & the media fooled & distracted. Play your cards right & we will even put a few dollars in your back pocket. There's a good boy. As for the courts representing the little people fairly against corporations or the system, that's like the wizard of oz fairy tale, all make believe. Why is everything so wrong, backward & upside down? It's not that everyone is dumb it's that the people in key or gatekeeper positions get well looked after & controlled. What can we do about this mess fathers near & far? The political & legal bravado can be likened to an old derelict house - it needs to be burnt down!!! & something fairer, more equitable & intelligent needs to replace it.
    By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on April 6, 2014 @ 7:56 pm
    Agreed Neil.

    This will be my last post as I'm happy that the core of the issue can be seen clearly. Please read the previous posts.

    However, nothing will ever change as long as all these system are in place.
    The sad reality of the truth is that for some the system works and for most it doesn't.
    I believe the solution is in mental health, as the industry is only 50 or so years old. It is my understanding that the entire psychology study is a fraud brainwashing people with LIES, rather than giving the people the information to make an informed decision in life.
    We are mearly slaves to the system to allow our rulers to have ultimate control of the masses.
    Until the masses decide NOT TO PARTICIPATE, which will never happen, then we will continue to be on the MERRI-GO-ROUND.
    Enjoy the ride and don't forget to smile.
    By: Neil from Sth Aust, Aust on April 6, 2014 @ 6:49 pm
    Child support facts & let's be clear everybody...
    Both mums & dads know the child support system is f##kd!
    Both good mums & dads get screwed over by the CSA mechanisms.
    Shifty dads often escape responsibilities for their kids, not just child support payments but everything.
    Then there are bitchy mums who alienated dads from kids &/or don't need the money yet they pursue CSA payments vigorously.
    Will there ever be any fair balance? No, not until the govt(corporation) falls, people's values improve, there is a crisis that diverts our attention away from petty issues or everyone wakes up one day & decides not to participate in the many illusions that are taking place. There are better ways for families, whether separation is the answer or not, however whilst big daddy (State/Fed corporations not govts) look after mummy & the kids, nothing much will ever change. The game is rigged to keep people down & under the thumb as that way they are controllable. When good mums are left, they usually get the kids and centrelink which is generally enough, bar sometimes a drop in living standards. When the good dads are left, they often get limited/nil time with their kids & cop a csa debt if they are an employee. If a csa debt starts to grow it must be dealt with quickly, whatever the action. Big debts as with John D can only be avoided if there is no taxable income, money in banks or assets. You have to become a strawman. In time, ways to wipe the fictional debt of may open up, but apart from that it has to be forgotten about. You could also try & wipe it off your personal wealth in trust denoted by your birth certificate if you dig deep enuf & prepared to do the work. good luck everyone
    230. By: John Daly from nsw, Australia on April 4, 2014 @ 11:11 pm
    wife no supply children as per court order for 12 years...SO....I no pay child support...I now have a billfor $67k...she is on eazy street now
    By: Ron Ferguson from NSW, Australia on April 3, 2014 @ 7:31 pm
    Try telling CSA that even though you pay maintenance you can't see your kids, it wwill achieve nothing they jusy want money. Dad's rights are a myth.
    By: nat from victoria, australia on April 3, 2014 @ 6:51 pm
    Hey johnsie,
    Shes 2 yrs old and no hes no being forced to pay but hes paying when he sees her.which is once every 6 to 8 weeks when the mother feels like it. Then all of sudden the next week shes says no and threatens him with a DVO. Hes so confused and doesnt know what to do. Thanks
    By: Johnsie from Qld, Austrlia on April 3, 2014 @ 1:12 pm
    Attn Nat: Must be heartbreaking 4 little girl and dad as many of us know only too well. Yep if cant reason with mum courts only step or just walk away and start a new life...sad but true. How old his daughter and is he being forced to pay child support without any contact??
    By: nat from victoria, australia on April 3, 2014 @ 1:09 pm
    Thanks Neil,
    I agree totally. I think he will have to apply to courts himself and try to get access that wway.hopefully. do you know the costs involved and how we go about representing ourselves without a lawyer? Thanks
    By: Neil from Sth Aust, Aust on April 3, 2014 @ 11:08 am
    Hi nat, those with no money sometimes win with Legal Aid as sometimes having a lawyer is better than no lawyer, but on the whole LA is useless. It's been abused by the lawyers for a long time & the slush fund has run dry. People who sincerely need help simply don't get it. Like many things incl. the Family Court, LA started off with good intentions but turned into an abusive, unfair machine promoting inequality. Mediation & the Relationship Centres are only a facilitating service that can save parents legal costs if they are both willing to negotiate & be generous in spirit. As soon as one parent wants to be difficult & refuse, it becomes a waste of time. If your male friend is being refused contact with his little girl, his only recourse is to make application to the family court/fed mag & seek contact that way. He can do it himself with no cost save app fee (less with health care card). I don't advocate the court but sometimes its the only way & better than nothing.
    By: nat from victoria, australia on April 2, 2014 @ 7:23 pm
    Well im a mother of 2 gorgeous children and I have raised them both solo...I dont get child support but I dont complain about it either. Ive spent 18 years on my own paying for my childrens needs.i had to go out get a job and work my butt off to make up enough to cope. Its so unfair on all the dads out there who do care and want equall rights. I have 2 friends who are male and are currently fighting for visitation with their kids and the system is letting them down. Legal aide are refusing to help saying that during mediation the mother seemed to be co operative but shes not so they are not inyerested in helping my friend to see his daughter. How is this fair.does anyone know where he can go for help now so he can see his lottle girl???
    By: Neil from Sth Aust, Aust on April 2, 2014 @ 2:46 pm
    Income tax, GST & other hidden taxes, council rates & child support are all forms of unjust & illegal taxes upon the masses; naive, unsuspecting, unaware, fearful people who perceive their individual self as powerless. So what does one do?

    Well first as an individual you have to say NO & return fire on the aggressor.

    Secondly, we must collectively unite for strength & knowledge through the sharing of all our weapons against such aggressors. It's a war against us fellas, make no mistake about it, so it's time to stand up or be steam rollered and slaughtered. Our choice?
    By: Nifty from NSW, Australia on April 2, 2014 @ 7:29 am
    I have been a CSA payer for 10 years, C.S.A (Criminal's Advocates Australia)an organisation that has little to do with the support of children other than the stealing of money, they call this legal however, how different is it to stand over people. Do we get a say when our tax returns are stolen, our CS payment is determined by them. We have become pawns in an organisation that is run by tyranny and suppression

    It is time that all CSA payer's stopped paying. Surely there is someone capable of setting up a web site so that a non violent protest or civil disobedience program can run whereby we stop paying until the system is fixed and people can live without the fear of being called a Dead Beat Dad
    By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on March 30, 2014 @ 12:13 pm
    Great post MichaelK...

    Seems like you felt the full force of the injustice system.

    I love it when police justify their use of force by quoting that women are the weaker species.
    Legally, they are the stronger species and the more dishonest as well.

    Angie...that's great ur not bitter, maybe I got u mixed up with Aly.
    Regardless, there are a lot of men and women that have been taken for a ride by government agencies with false hopes and bullshit policy's.

    From my experience the honest parent is normally left for dead and the courts profit enormously, making it a multi billion dollar a year industry.

    Just goes to show that profits are put before families and that goes against what I stand for.

    I don't think anything can be done, but to just raise awareness of the facts, meaning from experience, not from what is written in a fairy tale.


    220. By: Angie from NSW, Australia on March 30, 2014 @ 10:53 am
    news flash anthony im certainly not bitter and its certainly not about the money hes not hurting me hes hurting his kids
    By: MichaelK from Victoria, Australia on March 30, 2014 @ 8:17 am
    I've been down that path of Relationships Australia about 15yrs ago now. It was a Men and Separation group of about 6, went for 6wks and cost $10pw. It was helpful in that I met other guys, some in a similar boat to me with a lesbian ex. I was very isolated in my situation as a father with limited family and friends. I earnestly tried raising my 2 kids in a stable environment amidst dealing with legals, trumped up allegations, process servers, police and my ex and her lesbian lawyer always bothering me, emotional issues with my kids, plus my own emotional baggage from loss and grief issues exacerbated by a continuous assault by an often cruel and heartless breakdown system. Childhood issues arose and of course there were the ongoing financial issues, depression and inability to work as I often struggled, living day by day, sometimes minute by minute for many years. It was a hard time of my life.

    Hence for me, the group was a place I could offload, breath a bit and grow some. Have kept friends with two comrades from the group, so to some degree I guess it was worthwhile. There are some genuine folk out there who try and help people going through tough stuff so if you come by these types of people be truly thankful. I also have tried to help many along my journey, so it's always nice when you hear a simple thanks.

    Legally though, don't bother using RelAus or personal development groups as a basis to show you a good parent for court hearings as they're not interested and completely dismiss it, probably under some hearsay evidence rule.

    Looking back now, I should never have bothered to justify myself to court cretins as a parent or person as my power is way above them, but hey my self esteem was low, my world had been turned upside down with fear and emotions ruling my life, confusion, immaturity and maladjustment were all upon me as I was hurdled into an ugly world of Separation and negative changes ripping at me, my family and everything I had believed was wholesome and right.

    However, that's often the process of life as I have come to know it. We live, we feel pain, loss and then some more pain to remind us we're alive and we have something to learn. And then at some stage, sometimes without warning, we die - mentally, emotionally then physically. We come in with nothing, cause harm, become aware - maybe, realise our sins - maybe and hopefully work hard to redeem ourselves, leaving with nothing save the impact upon others, either good or bad. C'est la vie!
    By: Ron Ferguson from NSW, Australia on March 29, 2014 @ 5:38 pm
    Get your own bloody facts right. The more you earn the more you pay. If you got four kids and support drops to three it stays the same. Read the title FATHERS for justice, not whinging posts for women. You are not a non custodial father nailed to the wall by imaginary debts from CSA. I am in the stupid financial position that I am better off not teaching. If you post try using facts g
    By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on March 29, 2014 @ 10:44 am
    Lets go around in circles shall we...

    Hahahaha.....would be good to read previous posts before you girls make assumptions.

    Fact of the matter is that men's rights have been abused by government agencies for way too long...
    So I have taken it apon myself to educate fathers to become better fathers and I'm not talking about the dollar signs you girls are soo fixed on.

    Please compare the studies done on fatherless or motherless families and let me know what you think.

    All the best with your bitterness and hopefully one day you will be sweet.
    By: Angie from NSW, Australia on March 29, 2014 @ 9:44 am
    Totally agree with you Aly some men need to grow up and take a reality check. My ex has been assessed at only $8 a week and even thats too much cos he doesn't even pay that. He has a lot more assets than I have, he lives with his mother, his choice. Plus despite him working too he gets out of paying anything!!!
    He only sees his kids when he wants, ie special occasions like his birthday, fathers day, xmas and when he's free. Just like mums like you and I Aly, I also feel sorry for the dads who do the right thing and get screwed by the system.
    By: Aly from NSW, Australia on March 29, 2014 @ 9:35 am
    You might want to get your facts straight before making up rubbish about child support. If it doesn't change when your wages does than how come I only get a measly $10 a week despite my EX still working, living for free at his parents (his choice) & having over half a million in the bank?? I certainly have NO restrictions on when he can see the kids, except for when he was in & out of the Mental Hospital, after he'd threatenned to slit his throat in front of them among other things. How about stop spreading the hate & do the right damn thing by the children!!!!! I don't know ANY woman who gets decent child support, & it's about time men grew BALLS & did the right thing by their children!!!
    By: Harold H from qld, australia on March 28, 2014 @ 5:14 pm
    Gee is this mutual love, trust and respect? Hmmm sounds fabulous. Does it include the bit where after the kid is born she renegs and pisses off unilaterally flushing love, trust and respect down the toilet and then jumping on your balls for child support?

    No worries, I love being abused. Sign me up and order me 10 courses to go.
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    By: BRAD from wa, oz on March 27, 2014 @ 10:32 pm
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    By: BRAD from wa, oz on March 27, 2014 @ 10:24 pm
    I threatened the slime at csa once.
    I said ... You hurt Me them I will have to hurt you, as I see what they do as theft, pure and simple. They called the cops! I got instantly three calls !!!! To check on me!! I said u felt like setting fire to my car on the freeway at peak hour to raise awaeeness to my cause! and this would work !!!!! awarenessto
    210. By: Ron Ferguson from NSW, Australia on March 27, 2014 @ 7:38 pm
    Guys we are dispersed all over Australia. Getting together is impractical but civil revolution isn't. Take a car and park it on a railway crossing, whether it's yours or not is your choice. You have to inconvenience people and cost them money before they listen. Father's Day? Perfect!
    By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on March 27, 2014 @ 7:13 pm
    Just a suggestion...

    Maybe Fathers Day would be a good day to organise a rally.

    Any thoughts...
    By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on March 27, 2014 @ 7:07 pm
    Is that "manning up" enough for ya???

    Hahahaha ha

    All talk and no balls...it's time for ACTION.

    Lets not make the same mistake as South Africa and enter into a power sharing arrangement.

    When the heart is in the right place, the children WILL have a place they call home.
    By: Monty from WA, Australia on March 27, 2014 @ 3:50 pm
    Amen !

    I agree, nothing from the likes of Family Matters or other like agencies has achieved anything to date ! Fathers and children have lost their lives !

    "CIVIL DISOBEDIECE" is the answer !

    But how do we get all Australian Fathers together to march and protest and bring the Country to a peaceful stand still ??

    ACTION is required when words fail ! words are cheap actions are louder !!!
    By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on March 27, 2014 @ 6:29 pm
    Don't agree with Family Matters...

    Yes, we need a revolution, but a revolution of government.
    America was founded by their FOUR fathers and Australia needs to be founded by MANY MORE fathers.

    Please...don't give in to the temptation that family matters offers and stand firm on the issue that the CROWN has had it's last chance.

    I'm willing to put my hand up and lead the way...
    I understand that with every change a bullet to the head is required to seal the deal, as history has proved on countless occasions.
    I'm not afraid to die for what I believe in.

    I've been told I'm an all or nothing kind of guy...hahahahaha

    Thanks
    By: Family Matters from NSW, Australia on March 25, 2014 @ 10:14 pm
    familymattersaustralia@gmail.com
    By: adam from Western Australia, Australia on March 25, 2014 @ 6:33 pm
    Family Matters: how do we right to you?
    By: Family Matters from NSW, Australia on March 25, 2014 @ 8:47 pm
    All, we have an extremely dedicated and focused FEMALE who works tirelessly to petition senators and CSA for change.
    Unfortunately to get equality, you need the assistance of women who understand your situation so your message is conveyed without prejudice as chest bearing exercise. I implore all of you to consider "manning up" so we can bring the message to the media-it's a common story for a lot of people but we need your case information to demonstrate the depth of the problems that CSA create. Write to us and we will begin the revolution on a broader scale!
    By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on March 25, 2014 @ 7:05 pm
    I agree with Paul Williams...

    The days of violence and use of force to bring about change is not the answer.
    If these methods are used the system will be no different to the current system.
    Understanding and reasoning must be the key element of a new system.
    Possibly read about Marxism.
    By: BRAD from wa, oz on March 25, 2014 @ 8:52 am
    Can we enlist anyone from anonymous to our cause and shut down their computers?
    perhaps just a big bug tgat gets thr MSM attention to our cause? Hack channel 10?
    200. By: BigJoe from Vic, Australia on March 25, 2014 @ 7:49 am
    Trouble is Rambo, where does one find 100 good men??
    By: Rambo from NSW, Australia on March 24, 2014 @ 7:09 pm
    Give me 100 good men and I'll get our country back!
    By: Paul Williams from WA, Australia on March 24, 2014 @ 3:42 pm
    If the men of Australia all took the view point of "civil disobedience" ie: shut the Country down ! Change would be brought about peacefully and empower fathers and childrens rights !

    Ghandi did it in India for different reasons, Mandela did it, "I have a dream" that one day men will be equal Martin Luther King. Well I have a dream if only us Australian men could get our shit organised "Fathers to be recognised, and cherished in our childrens lives ! "civil disobedience" is the answer if only men could get organised !
    By: BRAD from wa, oz on March 21, 2014 @ 3:05 pm
    I will fight just point me in the right direction
    By: adam from Western Australia, Australia on March 21, 2014 @ 11:51 am
    Monty you are right. Bu tthe countless times i have stood up among others that i have spoken to, have been shut out and shut down, we are born with a cock, and unfortunately for us, the government doesnt favour us, we have no power.......the triangle rules supreme, my ex can mock me, her husband can tell me to go kill myself and if i even raise one eye brow to combat this, i get held in contempt of court, or threatened to be sue for harrassment, just of late she and her husband had conjured up that i assualted my daughter sexually, and i almost got locked up, i was lucky to have phone calls and messages as evidence that she had told me if i didnt stop pursuing her in the courts to see th kids thats what she would do...i would hate to think if i didnt keep EVERYTHING i had. But now i watched/monitored by the welfare system and they even had my wife and 2 boys questioned....John could be right, if there was some way or someone that would look at this situation we might stand a chance, but who,how and where??!!! There has to be someone who will listen...how many more people have to die or children (innocent parties involved in a nasty war) before someone does something about it :( i know coz i have lost 2 friends to suicide because of this (2010 and 2012).........
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