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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
The essense of your story is so familiar to me. It's funny how when people seperate there has to be a huge revenge thing happening but perhaps thats why they seperated. A personality that would be capable of doing the horrible things you mentioned.
My posting was to alert people that a redundancy payout is CHILD SUPPORT EXEMPT. They willsay otherwise until you speak to the right person at the agency. It worked for me.
So sad to read how much your partner had to pay when we all know it doesn't cost that much to raise kids
I have experienced everything others have when it comes to the way CSA treat fathers. Clearly they have a culture to disagree with anything the father says no matter what but here's one win that I did have that must affect other fathers.
I received a redundancy package some years ago and even though I told the CSA it will appear on my tax return and not to include it as normal pay (they said OK)when my tax return was lodged they stole $3500 and then said bad luck.
I objected, while unemployed, many times with no success until I spoke with a MALE at the CSA. He agreed and the entire amount was refunded.
This has to be a precedent for all others I would think!
Whenever you phone child support, make sure you ask to speak with a male staff member!
Q: Has or does anyone know if a class action has been tried against these obvious flaws in F.L.A and C.S.A affecting all good parents in Australia?
Change doesnt just come, it must be embraced, earned and encouraged by all those seeking a better way! And only then can suitable action and outcmoes begin to emerge.
It is quite illuminating that we don't have one and check this link out for the reason why. Good old Honest John - what a legend!
As always - good luck gents; in this cuntry, you will need it.
This will be my last post as I'm happy that the core of the issue can be seen clearly. Please read the previous posts.
However, nothing will ever change as long as all these system are in place.
The sad reality of the truth is that for some the system works and for most it doesn't.
I believe the solution is in mental health, as the industry is only 50 or so years old. It is my understanding that the entire psychology study is a fraud brainwashing people with LIES, rather than giving the people the information to make an informed decision in life.
We are mearly slaves to the system to allow our rulers to have ultimate control of the masses.
Until the masses decide NOT TO PARTICIPATE, which will never happen, then we will continue to be on the MERRI-GO-ROUND.
Enjoy the ride and don't forget to smile.
Both mums & dads know the child support system is f##kd!
Both good mums & dads get screwed over by the CSA mechanisms.
Shifty dads often escape responsibilities for their kids, not just child support payments but everything.
Then there are bitchy mums who alienated dads from kids &/or don't need the money yet they pursue CSA payments vigorously.
Will there ever be any fair balance? No, not until the govt(corporation) falls, people's values improve, there is a crisis that diverts our attention away from petty issues or everyone wakes up one day & decides not to participate in the many illusions that are taking place. There are better ways for families, whether separation is the answer or not, however whilst big daddy (State/Fed corporations not govts) look after mummy & the kids, nothing much will ever change. The game is rigged to keep people down & under the thumb as that way they are controllable. When good mums are left, they usually get the kids and centrelink which is generally enough, bar sometimes a drop in living standards. When the good dads are left, they often get limited/nil time with their kids & cop a csa debt if they are an employee. If a csa debt starts to grow it must be dealt with quickly, whatever the action. Big debts as with John D can only be avoided if there is no taxable income, money in banks or assets. You have to become a strawman. In time, ways to wipe the fictional debt of may open up, but apart from that it has to be forgotten about. You could also try & wipe it off your personal wealth in trust denoted by your birth certificate if you dig deep enuf & prepared to do the work. good luck everyone
Shes 2 yrs old and no hes no being forced to pay but hes paying when he sees her.which is once every 6 to 8 weeks when the mother feels like it. Then all of sudden the next week shes says no and threatens him with a DVO. Hes so confused and doesnt know what to do. Thanks
I agree totally. I think he will have to apply to courts himself and try to get access that wway.hopefully. do you know the costs involved and how we go about representing ourselves without a lawyer? Thanks
Well first as an individual you have to say NO & return fire on the aggressor.
Secondly, we must collectively unite for strength & knowledge through the sharing of all our weapons against such aggressors. It's a war against us fellas, make no mistake about it, so it's time to stand up or be steam rollered and slaughtered. Our choice?
It is time that all CSA payer's stopped paying. Surely there is someone capable of setting up a web site so that a non violent protest or civil disobedience program can run whereby we stop paying until the system is fixed and people can live without the fear of being called a Dead Beat Dad
Seems like you felt the full force of the injustice system.
I love it when police justify their use of force by quoting that women are the weaker species.
Legally, they are the stronger species and the more dishonest as well.
Angie...that's great ur not bitter, maybe I got u mixed up with Aly.
Regardless, there are a lot of men and women that have been taken for a ride by government agencies with false hopes and bullshit policy's.
From my experience the honest parent is normally left for dead and the courts profit enormously, making it a multi billion dollar a year industry.
Just goes to show that profits are put before families and that goes against what I stand for.
I don't think anything can be done, but to just raise awareness of the facts, meaning from experience, not from what is written in a fairy tale.
Hence for me, the group was a place I could offload, breath a bit and grow some. Have kept friends with two comrades from the group, so to some degree I guess it was worthwhile. There are some genuine folk out there who try and help people going through tough stuff so if you come by these types of people be truly thankful. I also have tried to help many along my journey, so it's always nice when you hear a simple thanks.
Legally though, don't bother using RelAus or personal development groups as a basis to show you a good parent for court hearings as they're not interested and completely dismiss it, probably under some hearsay evidence rule.
Looking back now, I should never have bothered to justify myself to court cretins as a parent or person as my power is way above them, but hey my self esteem was low, my world had been turned upside down with fear and emotions ruling my life, confusion, immaturity and maladjustment were all upon me as I was hurdled into an ugly world of Separation and negative changes ripping at me, my family and everything I had believed was wholesome and right.
However, that's often the process of life as I have come to know it. We live, we feel pain, loss and then some more pain to remind us we're alive and we have something to learn. And then at some stage, sometimes without warning, we die - mentally, emotionally then physically. We come in with nothing, cause harm, become aware - maybe, realise our sins - maybe and hopefully work hard to redeem ourselves, leaving with nothing save the impact upon others, either good or bad. C'est la vie!
Hahahaha.....would be good to read previous posts before you girls make assumptions.
Fact of the matter is that men's rights have been abused by government agencies for way too long...
So I have taken it apon myself to educate fathers to become better fathers and I'm not talking about the dollar signs you girls are soo fixed on.
Please compare the studies done on fatherless or motherless families and let me know what you think.
All the best with your bitterness and hopefully one day you will be sweet.
He only sees his kids when he wants, ie special occasions like his birthday, fathers day, xmas and when he's free. Just like mums like you and I Aly, I also feel sorry for the dads who do the right thing and get screwed by the system.
No worries, I love being abused. Sign me up and order me 10 courses to go.
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my last comment makes me look like a retard!!!
I said ... You hurt Me them I will have to hurt you, as I see what they do as theft, pure and simple. They called the cops! I got instantly three calls !!!! To check on me!! I said u felt like setting fire to my car on the freeway at peak hour to raise awaeeness to my cause! and this would work !!!!! awarenessto
Maybe Fathers Day would be a good day to organise a rally.
All talk and no balls...it's time for ACTION.
Lets not make the same mistake as South Africa and enter into a power sharing arrangement.
When the heart is in the right place, the children WILL have a place they call home.
I agree, nothing from the likes of Family Matters or other like agencies has achieved anything to date ! Fathers and children have lost their lives !
"CIVIL DISOBEDIECE" is the answer !
But how do we get all Australian Fathers together to march and protest and bring the Country to a peaceful stand still ??
ACTION is required when words fail ! words are cheap actions are louder !!!
Yes, we need a revolution, but a revolution of government.
America was founded by their FOUR fathers and Australia needs to be founded by MANY MORE fathers.
Please...don't give in to the temptation that family matters offers and stand firm on the issue that the CROWN has had it's last chance.
I'm willing to put my hand up and lead the way...
I understand that with every change a bullet to the head is required to seal the deal, as history has proved on countless occasions.
I'm not afraid to die for what I believe in.
I've been told I'm an all or nothing kind of guy...hahahahaha
Unfortunately to get equality, you need the assistance of women who understand your situation so your message is conveyed without prejudice as chest bearing exercise. I implore all of you to consider "manning up" so we can bring the message to the media-it's a common story for a lot of people but we need your case information to demonstrate the depth of the problems that CSA create. Write to us and we will begin the revolution on a broader scale!
The days of violence and use of force to bring about change is not the answer.
If these methods are used the system will be no different to the current system.
Understanding and reasoning must be the key element of a new system.
Possibly read about Marxism.
perhaps just a big bug tgat gets thr MSM attention to our cause? Hack channel 10?
Ghandi did it in India for different reasons, Mandela did it, "I have a dream" that one day men will be equal Martin Luther King. Well I have a dream if only us Australian men could get our shit organised "Fathers to be recognised, and cherished in our childrens lives ! "civil disobedience" is the answer if only men could get organised !