Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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By: Dave from South Australia, Australia on October 29, 2014 @ 7:53 am
Can someone point me in the right direction as I need some help. My ex has to pay child support but she under declared her income by $7,000 which meant she didnt pay the correct amount, yet the CSA refuses to do an amendment. what are my rights and who do I complain to about the discrimination.
 
By: J-man from Vic, Australia on October 26, 2014 @ 12:03 am
I hv posted on here at the start of the year sometime. I believe this stupid legislation is not for all circumstances but for one cause and one cause only. The female gets looked after in most cases more then the men. Legislation is up the pole so to speak. This unjust law needs to be changed and changed quickly. Too many innocent people, kids get hurt all because of this legislation that's all for the woman. (Not being sexist here by no means)
I will make up an email address and I need you all that have been controlled unwillingly, treated unfairly, if you believe that the legislation or law is unjust for your situation, please email me your full story . I plan to compile these stories and take it to my local member of parliament . Remember your ex is not to be blamed but rather the legislation that csa uses against us.
If you want to join me in taking these real life stories to the council, by all means join me. If we can get together and protest outside Parliament House lets do it! I'm sick of being told what to do because of a legislation that looks at your situation one way. Everyone's situation and circumstances are different from the next person but legislation looks at it only one way.
I am serious about this so fathers: let's fight for justice and change.
In my case, my ex partner is crying poor and I hv to pay x amount, I'm struggling too but if yr crying poor how is it that u want my signature to authorise you to take my so called child with you on a holiday to another country. This annoys me greatly! I want change fathers. I can't do it without yr help. I am from Victoria Northern suburbs. plz reply to this if yr willing to share yr story via email to me.

*exercise patience*

Peace!


 
By: Anthony from Vic, Aust on October 16, 2014 @ 6:21 am
From what I'm aware of, in terms of debt collection by CSA they are legally able to charge 7 base points on top of the reserve rate = 9.5 p.a, billed monthly.
In is in the act and was pointed out to me by a case worker.
Just like councils and other government agencies the law is written in their favour, to protect them from any legal chellange or negligence.
For eg. My car ran into the pot hole and had over $5000 of damage.
Legislation is written so that because the council was UNAWARE, they were not liable. Once awareness is raised or reported of such a fault it is then their DUTY to the public to fix this hazard.

So basically, before you divorce or split up ring CSA before this happens so you know your rights and can make an informed decision.

If only it worked the other way around, where just because you were UNAWARE of CSA and their debt recovery methods you are not liable.

My advice is...be patient there is light at the end of the tunnel meaning children grow up and are no longer dependent on support.
Sure, it might be on average 10 years of bullshit, but there is an end point and I think more people focus too much on the now, rather than being thankful that's the price to pay to end a toxic relationship, with children.


 
By: richard from wa, australia on October 15, 2014 @ 4:10 pm
Can anyone tell me is CSA allowed to decide to tax you more than you earn and if so where is this legislation. The ATO are unable to do this so why should any other tax be such. The UN calls this bonding I think whereby people sell their labour to pay a debt but the interest on the debt becomes higher than their labour can pay and therefore the person is bonded into labour for life. this is illegal according to the UN and Australia. yet in my case it seems the government is above the law. I would like to see a class action against the CSA on this to test the legality of this.
 
By: robin from nsw, australia on October 7, 2014 @ 3:36 pm
Reply to lisa from SA
You need everything in writing asap
Dont worry about the child support payments ( it will bite him on the ass ) if your child goes with his father and you dont know where the x lives dont let the kid go
Family law states that all parties have to have a address to give to the other party at all times
If you are not happy about letting your son go then dont unless its in writing and signed of from a court there is nothing your x can do about it ( this also includes any clothes you give all can be put into writing )
A child being safe is the most important thing
 
By: Johnny B from NSW, Australia on October 2, 2014 @ 11:56 am
Lisa: If a magic wand existed, what changes would you like?
 
By: Lisa from South Australia, Australia on October 2, 2014 @ 10:36 am
I left with nothing. I don't get any help with child care either. I don't think it's boring it's stressful and lay awake at night worrying. I think my situation is unfair and it's frustrating. I can understand where men are coming from. I don't want to pay my ex child support either. Sometimes single mothers feel like they have been used too.
 
By: Johnny B from NSW, Australia on October 2, 2014 @ 10:39 am
Lisa: I have raised children with a difficult X and it's absolutely no fun at all. If you have a scorned X (scorned in their mind at least) then one has double trouble on their hands.

firstly, what you're describing is parenting, people, their personalities, values and expectations, which whilst fascinating are in depth topics.

The difficulties you're experiencing with your ex is probably why you split in the first place. The difference in core values is most likely why you're not compatible, now and before, as frustrating as it is. Did you plan to get pregnant to this man or was it an accident, and who left who and why?

Whilst this to some degree may sound absurd, let me say that nothing is right, wrong, fair or unfair - it's only what you create and perceive it to be. Whilst nobody is perfect, some people are an absolute disgrace and shouldn't be let near a child!!!

What I suggest is you do a pros/cons list of your exes parenting as to the effect it has on the well-being and positive development of your son. As the primary carer you have to comfortable your son's overall well-being is happy and safe. If not, trust your intuition to do whatever it takes to keep your boy safe!

 
By: Steven from VIC, Australia on October 2, 2014 @ 6:52 am
To the ladies on here who claim oh my poor partner is being screwed by his ex for child support. Your quite simply shockers. You are one and same people that will go for broke to get as much money as possible at the time of seperation and quite often us the system to your best advantage.
Single women perceive men as "They are their children they should pay" No one argues with that at all. However Aust also has a very low rate of women returning to the work force. I have a 13 yr old sun where once i pay CSA and my ex earns money froma so called pension she is now earning the same wage as me. Give me a break...we all want fairness in this...no guy should not look after his kids. But ladies and i do use that term losely stop the rubbish. Its really quite boring.

 
300. By: Lisa from South Australia, Australia on October 2, 2014 @ 1:29 am
As a single mum I would really appreciate a dad's perspective because I am at loss at how to be civil with my ex. I am 30 years old with one son. We separated when our son was 6 months. Since then my son has stayed with him for 3 nights a fortnight. Our son is now 3 years old. I have only ever received the minimum child support which is now $19 a month. He now lives with his partner who apparently supports him and he doesn't have a job or receive money from Centrelink. He also won't tell me his address. He has told me the suburb which is the other side of town and and most of the time picks him up in his girlfriends car. He loans me pair of shoes and second hand clothes and I give him clothing to use as well. I asked him on several occasions if he could get his son's haircut and he refused. My question is how much does he value his son? I asked about the future and our son's schooling and it looks like I'm footing the bill. Is it fair to make me pay for everything? I don't want my son to miss out and it makes my life harder. Not knowing his address also stresses me out. I feel as though I am a bad mother allowing him to go but if I refuse to allow him to go being civil has gone out the window and my son will be upset.
 
By: Neil from NSW, Australia on September 26, 2014 @ 6:34 pm
Annoyed
The law as it stands now allows for rulings that will affect children.... usually the mothers and rulings that don't usually the fathers.
EG if the mother has been ordered by the courts to give access but doesn't she wont be jailed or penalties applied because it will affect the children.
If a non custodial parent ignores a court order s/he can be jailed for contempt of court

Family law is not real law as it is not equal or just and has no peer reviews I.E scrutiny of judgements by society as a whole as is the case with all other law
 
By: Annoyed from Qld, Australia on September 26, 2014 @ 4:47 pm
So, according to CSA Law, it is illegal for the payer to do things like reduce hours, change jobs etc that will lower their gross income, meaning lower child support payments, but it is fine for the payee to stop access, court ordered or not, to increase child support payments. One screwed up system, cs payments and access should be tied together, might stop some of the payees from withholding access !!
 
By: John from NT, Australia on September 16, 2014 @ 11:51 am
Locky from Victoria

Unfortunately the so called 'earnings capacity' is assessed at the time you break-up. Often this is at a time when the man is head down bum up working his arse off earning to support a dependent family and often the lady of the house is in P/t work as yours was and still is.

So this is where the 'clock starts' consider it your 'baseline'. As you allude too its the Wigs (toxic feminist) in the Family Law Court and their debt collectors (CSA) that interpret the F*&d legislation to grind you to a pulp.

Locky - get this! you're only a man and a white man even worse so you are in a difficult situation but there is no sympathy or support for you from 'the system' which feeds off you like a parasite having no respect for the Host. The only general guidance I can offer you is the following:

1) Make yourself a smaller target i.e by reducing your earnings capacity. To do this though you will need psychological assessments GP records for mental illness stress, anxiety, depression (SAD) etc etc.

2) Since you have 8 year of CSA to go seriously consider leaving the country. Especially if you have transferrable skills and go to a non-reciprocating country to live.

I am thinking of offering a 'support service' for guys like you after I make the move overseas.

In the meantime mate. Keep posting to this site and try the local legal aid people in Victoria for guidance. Although the current Cwlth Govt has stripped these agencies of funding recently.

Good luck mate and keep in touch.

Regards

John


 
By: robin from nsw, australia on September 16, 2014 @ 1:40 pm
Hi
Locky from Victora
CSA do have the power to lock bank accounts down BUT they can not take more than 15% thats in the account other wise its classed hard ship grounds on your part ( they did his to my bf and took over 2500 from account )you have to ask beg and fight them to get anything of it back good luck with that
As for the kids you need concent orders lodged in court and then sent to CSA. CSA will go of the orders and will not take any more money from you for any expences eg: school camps
Hope this helps
 
By: Locky from Victoria, Australia on September 15, 2014 @ 10:07 am
To all and sundry, some assistance if you have some advice to offer.
Me? Divorced, was self-employed, now working full time. Two daughters, 9 & 11. I am assessed on my capacity to earn, which severely disadvantages me yet my ex works part time and believes she has a god-given right to be supported y me. Won't negotiate. Eg; CSA froze my personal bank account last Friday. Took $1,000 which was ear-marked to pay my mortgage and expenses. The ex took the money but then told me that if I wanted my youngest to attend camp in December, I had to pay $150 more! This is the type lunatic I am dealing with. The CSA will not lay a glove on her or hold her to account for not trying to get full time work - of any sort. Furious? Frustrated? Ready to explode? That's me. So, I was to pick up my kids in two hours without a cent to my name. Now that's stress!
Why does the CSA refer to my capacity to earn and not hers? Just because I had a demonstrated capacity AFTER the CSA was engaged, and she had a demonstrated capacity BEFORE the CSA was engaged. That is not justifiable and is fundamentally unfair.Our law-makers are responsible for this legislative tripe! And these are supposed to be among the best minds in the country!
I got more, but is there any way to get through to these pricks?
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Aust on September 13, 2014 @ 4:58 pm
Good question...

How do I say... I will not be persuaded to participate or even react to another persons view.

You remind me of myself prob about a year ago wif the indoctrination and doom and gloom talk.
One word...science.
Yes, the simple truths that exist are rarly taught or even believed.
Such as the evolution theory or the psychology of chemical reactions that dictate our very being...
It's not the outside world that dictates who we are, but our own inner person.
Btw...God does exist...in a book and in a brain. See just proved it.
Take care.

 
By: James R from Vic, Australia on September 13, 2014 @ 9:30 am
Onya Anthony, sharing is caring. You have a way with paradox and emotional intelligence I can tell. Always a breath of fresh air my friend.

As for the masses, the multi generational programming has indoctrinated and distracted people so deep, its no wonder so many remain asleep and dead or is it us, are we the belligerent and naive fools? The good cells in the world's immunity system that gets taken out as the cancer spreads.

I think we have lost our way and forgotten how to love god and our neighbour, reaping only being conquered from the division we have sown.

What are the answers my friends???
Will many more dark days have to come before the crowd leaves the sports stadium, awaking from the entrenched denial they are in? Perhaps we're at the wrong game too Anthony, maybe we should be on an adventure free of responsibility and duty?

How sayeth?

 
By: Anthony from Vic, Aust on September 12, 2014 @ 7:36 am
I'm sorry JAMES,

It seems you are hijacking my ideology...

Please stop confusing the masses with your use of the word PROVE and LAW.
Unless you have some experience to share with us.
Then to me you are a fool and only the foolish will believe you.
Keeping them trapped in a loop of anger and denial.

Over come ppls... Adversity is the best achievement anyone can claim in this life.

Ps. Just checking I have dotted my i's and crossed my t's because I'm expecting a reaction to this post.

Thank you😀
 
By: James R from Vic, Australia on September 11, 2014 @ 6:52 am
Ask, Ask and then Ask more questions, for are not questions the answer?

First, are you the living or the dead?

As a living, breathing, flesh and free flowing blood soul, is it not wise to get the CSA or any govt institution to prove in law everything they demand from you? Onus probandi.

ie. Is the CSA lawful?

Can they provide hard evidence of the law that gives them power and jurisdiction over you?

Where does this head of power come from?

Is this head of power greater than your power?

Is God not the only power above you, as isn't God the only power that gives and taketh away your breath?

Hence, isn't it correct that no man/woman stands in between you and God?

Hence if yes, is it not true that no one has power over you unless you give your CONSENT?


 
290. By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on September 10, 2014 @ 8:13 am
Hi I been on this post for a while and it seems most people forget that there is usually an emotional factor CSA work off to justify their truths.
It's very common practice that someone steps in for the weak and fights on their behalf.
This then creates a weaker society one that can be controlled by government and their agencies.
I believe and it's just my opinion that you should prove emotionally that you are weaker and so the have more sympathy for your case.
One last point...we are led to believe that it's survival of the fitest and our instincts get in the way in terms of fight or flight.
This may be true in the business world, however in the welfare world oppisite world theory applies...sorry it's my idea that you solve problems in an oppisite fashion because conventional methods keep you in the loop.

A quote...it's not meant to make sense.
With this in mind you will know the answer.
It's all psychology and chemical reaction that occur in the body.

Oh, what would I know...im just a mathematician.
And no I have a calculator you do my computer maths.
Focus on logical problem solving and apply oppisite world theory.
Hope that helps.

Would be good to see some positive posts where this forum has helped people...
Just saying
 
By: Benny from SA, Australia on September 9, 2014 @ 2:13 pm
Hey Cam, if no written agreement in/outa court re csa offset, presumption of no csa claim/private payments since separation on your behalf should work. Is ex saying to csa she received regular payments from you? If so how/when/what & wheredid she declare it? catch her out with logic & non truths. Obvious Iknow but expect nil compassion or common sense from csa/courts. Theyre alla fraud. As subcon in interim & as last resort minimise income or better still pay no tax(as unlawful) and don't contract with csa.
 
By: Cam from NT, Darwin on September 9, 2014 @ 12:56 pm
I fought to have my boys for 2 years at %50 finally I got this when my ex wife was no longer able to cope having them. We agreed that if she got extra money in the house sale of 40,000 that she would ask for no extra monies via CSA. I pay for everything %50 and I often don't ask her for any money in return I have always been fair I always put my sons best interest first and what will benefit them. A month ago she asked me to have the boys longer so she could visit her nan.. I agreed she then asked me to have them for another week as she couldn't take the time off. I can't take the time off I'm a sub contractor plus its her week her responsibility. She has a tantrum and after 3 years of divorce she goes to CSA and now they want me to pay her on top of everything else where is the justice in that. I live on my parents land and have another son and fiancé to provide for along with my own sons... they are not deprived. she just built a million dollar house cleverly in her new partners name they have granny flat which is extra income along with two new cars and the lifestyle to match how can CSA not justify that how is so blunt. can't they see that they are not benefiting the children but actually causing more harm.
 
By: Bewitched from Vic, Australia on September 5, 2014 @ 7:44 pm
It's a good reminder to all good men Robyn who don't see their kids, but are asked to pay child support, do a DNA test!! If one is refused, totally don't pay child support until one is done. It's better to push it hard at the beginning if there is suspicion, even through a court, than paying 12yrs of child support to a dishonest mole of a woman, as I'm sure you and your partner would both agree.

As far as relief with the quantum of child support already paid, the below high court case may provide a remedy insofar as an Order. However, before going to the trouble of getting an Order, first make sure the mother has some assets to assist with the enforcement, else all maybe in vain.

"In the High Court case of Magill v Magill [2006] HCA 51, a claim for damages brought by a man against the mother of a child on the basis that he had been misled about being the child’s biological father, the High Court held that false representations concerning an extra-marital sexual relationship or its consequences made by one spouse to another during the course of a marriage are not actionable in deceit. Nevertheless, the court found that a husband is entitled under the family law regime in Australia to seek an order for the repayment of any moneys wrongly paid for child support, or child maintenance, in reliance on such representations."

 
By: Anthony from Vic, Aust on September 5, 2014 @ 6:30 pm
What is your provocative???
 
By: robyn from nsw, australia on September 5, 2014 @ 3:56 pm
my partners x named him as father to csa but hes not on bc at all. They lived together for 2 weeks and she got preggies then when the bub was 3 months old she took of. Its been 12 yrs hes payed csa on time but never seen the kid and when he tracked them down to nsw he finds out the kid is not his ( the mother told him hes just a bank to her ) when he asked for a dna test and for csa to stop payments till he has it done he was to no
any help on this
 
By: Nathan from MN/FL, USA on September 1, 2014 @ 11:50 pm
My thought are as so 50/50 legal and physical custody both parents have equal parenting time and both equal opportunity to work and make money to prosper and or pay there finacial share equal share if one prospers more don't take from them because the other spouse has less and for the one who may have less don't undermine their abilities to be a good parent!:)
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on September 2, 2014 @ 9:03 am
One last thing...

The ONLY way LAWS will be made FAIRER is to PROVE existing LAWS DON'T WORK!!!
Leading to a CHANGE in the system...filtering to the CSA.
I believe the CSA is just an enforcement agency of the COURTS.

TO KILL A SNAKE YOU CHOP OF ITS HEAD.
Stop going after the tail...it will grow a new one back.

I am willing to HELP ALL FATHERS get their children BACKK.
JUST ASK ME
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on September 2, 2014 @ 8:49 am
From my experience...

I believe ALL children should be with their Fathers.
The court system knows this and is running a business, after all.
ALL FATHERS should TAKE THE FAMILY LAW INTO THEIR OWN HANDS.
Meaning NOT acknowledging the COURT ORDERS and doing what's in THE CHILDREN'S BEST INTEREST.
I have FULL CARE OF MY 2 sons and did it like this.
Every time I go to family court I end up WALKING OUT.
You CANNOT BE CHARGED FOR KIDNAPPING YOUR OWN KIDS!!!
Grow some BALLS MEN and fight the BATTLE HEAD ON.
Please, STOP WINGING ABOUT MONEY...
The children ARE the asset.
 
By: pop from wa, australia on September 2, 2014 @ 12:03 am
If the ex is swearing at you in front of the children it may be seen as child abuse because she is turning the child against the other parent/parents and breading hate into them.my ex was doing this and was taking it a step further by bad mouthing me behind the scene. Sad sick woman has no idea or regard for what she is doing to our child. Had an injunction built into the court order to prevent this. Hopefully she is smarter than I give her credit for and she will abide by the order. It wont help with the money issues but it may help to keep her mouth in check. ex was very vocal and abusive, now childish and silent with a communication book as the only means to communicate.
 
280. By: gman from victoria, australia on September 1, 2014 @ 4:33 pm
thanks brad, oh ive let them have it, they threatened court action over my use of the english language, they are aware that they are acting unlawfully and they know i know this, im about to loose my job, next week actually, which will make things tough and this is due to my informing them they are acting on unendorsed unlawful garnishment orders, even though they are using another excuse i know this is the reason, friggen morons, obviously believe im a dead beat dad,

if your self employed there exist a form with the ato where you can declare you will not lodge a return again for religious reasons or simply because you dont want to. these things have to exist as if they didnt it would be slavery there has to be a way out there also has to be a way to cease employers deducting,
if they actually read the income tax act doesnt allow this what they are following is a guide which is not lawful and even the phrase in the act that corresponds they are misreading, when you delve into the act.
i wont give up then i will free you all lol
 
By: brad from wa, oz on September 1, 2014 @ 10:45 am
Gman ... keep going ... You are correct. .. I am looking at never lodging a return again ... It is a self contact with the a to Corp. They are an illegal entity. As for csa ... I told them without a tax assessment they are only guessing and therefore illegal.
 
By: Helen from Queensland, Australia on September 1, 2014 @ 9:19 am
Firstly, I hope you are okay Dene? I am concerned about you. I have seen my partner go through hell and back (including a trip to the doctor who issued him with anti depressants that my partner won't take). I wrote a long post in May this year. Since then my partner changed jobs and his child support dropped (he's still paying $990 per month for 2 children), so his ex is now asking the CSA to consider my income (in addition to my partner's income) to support their children. This is the woman who swears about me and derides me (and my partner) front of the children. This is the woman who 'hates my f.....g guts' and calls me a 'f....g b....t' (again in front of the children) and says she doesn't want the children near me but is happy to take my money and also let the children be flown over by my partner (from NZ to Oz) and spend 2 weeks at a time with us when she wants a break from them to spend time with her boyfriend. Absolutely no circumstances are taken into account by the CSA such as her decision to split the family up (have an affair and another child from a 3rd father), her decision to remove the children (without my partner's permission) from Australia and out of our care 25% of the time and my partner's bankruptcy forced upon him by her unreasonable financial demands. She knows how to work the system (you get more benefits in New Zealand). She has more cash flow than my partner and yet the CSA just divvies out a calculation blindly based on his income (and now apparently my income is going to be factored in). I was a support person for my partner at a recent telephone hearing with the CSA. We picked up immediately how biased in attitude she (CSA rep) was towards the ex wife who has deflated and inflated her financial figures where it best suits her .... Now it's a waiting game. The ex wife s not doing this for the sake of the children. She can afford holidays when we can't. She is not happy (her relationship didn't work out and lat band surgery didn't bring her the happiness she hoped for) and can't bear to see my partner and I happy and wants to destroy what she can and she may well succeed at this rate. As for the extra money (she got around $22,000 from my partner for 2 children last year on top of accommodation supplements and other government handouts for single mothers) we reckon she will be treating herself to some cosmetic surgery - tummy tuck and boob lift that the children hinted at a while back ... We know that the extra money does not go towards the children and that it feeds her lifestyle. Can we not all get together and approach 60 minutes TV program or something like that?
 
By: gman from victoria, australia on September 1, 2014 @ 12:51 am
hi all, haven't read for some time but have been looking into some legislation.
for awhile i was winning with the csa however they've begun ignoring all "law" not just with me but their entire structure, for instance the non custodial parent now requires ( i believe it is ) 65% care of the child before the equality of 50/50 expense is warranted this is clearly a retarded standing made only to discriminate against fathers, ( forgive me if legislation has changed in the last few weeks,
however my reason for posting i believe is the answer, not so long ago i wrote to the csa asking for the definition of income along with some other relevant questions regarding their lawful standing, the response was along the lines of, you can expect transparent information though the letter ended with, we will not answer your questions??????????
upon further reading into the income tax act and thoughts turned towards the csa and their strange response, i have found that "ïncome" has no specific definition however it is defined by proxy. income is a term related to business activity and the definition of business relates to profit, now if one is to follow the definition of business in the income tax act this states that it does not include an employee. it does include an individual which is synonymous with natural person thought it states does not include an employee. income is profit gained off an-others back. many may find this difficult to follow but to tax ones labor falls under the definition of slavery, it is unlawful and the government knows this, this is why we have a self assessment regarding income tax, we are infact filing stating that we made a profit. ok without going further into this, relate this to the csa, it makes sense, our social security system payed for by other taxes supports our children we then add to this as responsible parents, the child support act relates to adjusted taxable income, income/profit this makes sense, it is set up to tax parents whom actually have businesses and make profits, i do not, i exchange my energy. this is why the csa will not answer this question they know the are scamming us all along with the ato. i havent filed for three years because of this, i am working on filing without declaring profit i believe i know how, i just need some time to get on top of this. because of this the csa now have created an income for me despite any evidence of such and despite the legislation not allowing this. read the acts people.
 
By: Erin from QLD, Australia on August 29, 2014 @ 8:44 pm
I am a female but understand men's pain... As I am married to a man who has a child to another women.
 
By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on August 21, 2014 @ 12:22 pm
I'm no lawyer, but from what I understand you are saying that CSA goes against the CONSTITUTION.
Might have to read into CONSTITUTIONAL LAW because you are saying that the very law they hide behind is illegal.
How could this be???
Maybe it's a case of the law makers know and won't challenge it because its part of the federal revenue, meaning their OWN back pocket.
I think your onto something, but by the time WE do realise the LAW will be changed.
From what I'm aware the current LAWS are being reviewed.
Just like any NEW LAWS they will be written to STRENGTHEN current CSA POWERS.

Maybe, it's TIME to test CURRENT CSA LAWS against CONSTITIONAL LAW BEFORE THEY GET AWAY.
Anyone got a SPARE $4-5 million dollars???

 
By: Dene from WA, Oz on August 20, 2014 @ 12:47 pm
Part 4.
The employees within the structure are human.. only they are paid to be not so, as they will tell you over the phone they cannot bend the "rules" (guidelines?) to take into account your particular circumstances, especially anything related to the stress and damage being done to your mental and physical health. As I am writing this I actually feel physically sick, and have done for some weeks trying to get a fair go from the CSA operatives, straight away that indicates something very wrong here.. if it happens to me then many more of my Aussie brothers and sisters are also experiencing the same things to a lesser or higher degree.
lets get at them folks.
Cheers
 
By: Dene from WA, Oz on August 20, 2014 @ 12:46 pm
Part 3. we need to be clear, concise, un emotional (that's hard) and above all factual, we need W I D E exposure.. lean on friends with access to the smaller media groups, especially the ones that love to air untruths and unjust goings on in this country!..printed media, electronic of every kind! come on!.. if we don't stop this now it will definitely get worse and run unchecked!. I also need to find out from relative, siblings etc just how many people have taken their lives over the added pressures applied by the CSA machine when they are already suffering from the breakup of the relationship and loss of the children from their everyday lives.

I have thought about what this will bring about, and how it may affect my life, but, someone has to do this and be willing to be crushed by the powers that be for confronting and exposing this for what it is, a totally UNFAIR and UNJUST system that needs to be reined in, I will put my hand up to be that focal point.(watch what happens to me!) Let’s get onto this now!. You will need to be patient as I need to organise separate, secure, contact formats and details for you all to be able to contact me and to send the information to me to assess and document so we can fix this.

One last thing.. anyone that will not contribute a fair amount to the upbringing of their children from the relationship, you need to have a damned good look at yourself, you brought them into this world and regardless of the relationship with the other parent YOUR children need you to contribute.

 
By: Dene from WA, Oz on August 20, 2014 @ 10:17 am
Part 2!.Let’s get this sorted.. by that I mean make public what is going on and the people DIRECTLY responsible for messing with our lives, as we all know, the machine behind the scenes is directly responsible for pushing many to suicide and now must be held accountable for this insidious attack on us, Australian citizens!. How many of you have to live, day to day with anxiety because of this evil organisation (the whole picture, not just the Government body fronting the illegal industry!)How many of have partners that carry this financial stress that should not have to?, does your partner think it' s ok?, mine is freaking out!. How many of us have lost great partners because of the stress associated with unfair assessments?. Can you all help here?, this is a calling to the Aussie spirit of doing the right thing here.. I need whistle blowers with the guts to come forward and assist with saving Aussie men and women being persecuted and literally having their lives destroyed!.. Once again, if you can help, or know someone in the CSA willing to assist with exposing this corrupt system and thereby literally saving even one life.. STEP UP!.. no more telling stories on here, let’s DO something about it!! we have social media to work for us here.. and we all have access to it (although I'm not that savvy with it I'm sure many of you are)don't bother with politicians as they neither have the guts to wade in to this debate (it might hurt their careers and their government pensions) I need legal knowledge!, anyone out there that has excellent knowledge of how the family court, actually all courts, work?, we will have to challenge what is happening in the high courts to get the result needed. WE have to show the rest of our Aussie mates what is going on!..
 
By: Dene from WA, Oz on August 19, 2014 @ 10:08 pm
Hi everyone!. I have to post this in at least 3 parts)
Right, lets get this show on the road. I can no longer sit and seethe in my helplessness. Lets turn this around folks. I need information! I need the details on the CSA as follows, time for detective work people, all info MUST be verified and documented, we are about to do what Wikileaks does.
I now believe the Aussie CSA is a front for something much bigger and sinister than we all currently know. The CSA IS a government body, all legal etc, but, they employ a COMPANY (consultancy?) to gather Child Support in other words, assess, gather enforce, bully, harass and destroy families and the individual, your “case officer” is not a judge or lawyer, they have no right to force this upon you, ask them next time you speak with them if they are a public servant or a contractor and see what the reaction is!. As you all know we are assessed on a formula, the formula ONLY looks at pre tax income (unjust, illogical and criminal in its stupidity) we are all allocated an allowance to live on within that formula, the figure is taken from the bureau of statistics that says it costs the AVERAGE Aussie this amount to live on for a year (Absolutely ridiculous and certainly doesn't apply to most of us!)so, we have two suppositions already with which are used to falsely assess our cases with that have no relevance to each and every single case currently being (mis)"managed" by the CSA.The power granted by legislation to the CSA is interpreted by the contractor to go for the maximum use of force to get the maximum "return" (which in turn gets them performance bonus’s) using a false and completely illegal methods against citizens of Australia, well, f@#k that for a joke!, no more!.. Let’s be reasonably smart about this.. I need facts about, the company, the account that the 4+ billion dollars currently held by the "organisation" whoever that is that gets invested in short term money markets and other high dividend, short term investments.. this is a HUGE money making scheme people and MUST be altered to be fair and just!. I need names, all the names in the CSA departments and the contractors that talk to you on the phone, everyone in any way linked to this evil little scheme.
 
270. By: Anthony from Vic, Australia on August 19, 2014 @ 9:22 am
Testing 123
 
By: joe from Victoria, Australia on March 18, 2014 @ 10:09 pm
Anyone familiar with special circumstances when it comes to trying to reduce child support payments. I have to do a reassessment on things but why the he'll does casa want to know everything I have or own and why does the other party get to look at what have and then on top of that the other party gets to decide if payments will be reduced and not casa themselves. That's ridiculous!!!!!

 
By: Jess Young from sa, Australia on August 13, 2014 @ 12:32 pm
I am so Disgusted in the CSA. The more money you earn, the more you pay. My husband has a high paying job and is required to pay an obscene amount of child support. My daughter ( from previous relationship) is supported financially by my husband as her father is brain damaged however because she gets $15 per fortnight CSA will not recognize her as my husbands dependent, yet his son get $1100 per month. How is this fair, his ex is laughing all the way to the bank. Payments for child support need to be capped no matter how much money a person is earning. A 12 year old child does not need $1100 per month, it is absolutely criminal.
We would love to have my husbands son live with us but his mother is so manipulative because she does not want to loose the money she is getting, how is this benefiting the children. CSA is so mixed up
 
By: Glen Thomas from NSW, Australia on August 8, 2014 @ 7:50 pm
Paciocco v ANZ
(http://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/single/2014/2014fca0035) re late payment fees may also be of benefit. Remember they are mostly defunct lawyers who work at CSA so they should know what you're on about. Plus for some commentary see http://www.mallesons.com/publications/marketAlerts/2014/Pages/Are-bank-fees-penalties-Paciocco-v-ANZ-.aspx

 
By: Glen Thomas from NSW, Australia on August 8, 2014 @ 7:38 pm
Read Andrews v ANZ High court judgment (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/HCA/2012/30.html) and tell CSA to stick their late payment penalties up their arse and go shovel their shit in their own back yards! Just make sure your bank accounts are empty so the filth can't slime their way in and get their grubby hands on your loot..
 
By: AJ from NSW, Australia on August 7, 2014 @ 7:35 pm
Great advice by Terry for you Dene.
For everyone....
There is currently a Parliamnetary Inquiry into the Child Support Program, info available here http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Social_Policy_and_Legal_Affairs/Child_Support_Program

Have your say via the Online Questionnaire and hopefully you can provide some solutions they will listen to. Good they realise how crap the system is.
 
By: Terry Perth from WA, Australia on August 7, 2014 @ 5:06 pm
@Dene,
I had this last week, and I let fly and gave them a mouthful they wanted close to 3k a month, I'm now coughing up 34c in the dollar. As such they have me slated at just over 100k owing, of which mostly is penalties for late payments. I told them I'm fine paying child support but they can shove the late payments up their arses, and if they keep hounding me, I'll save 6mths cash somewhere, punch my boss and go on the dole. Before the bad parent brigade starts bleating, I gave my ex wife my home for the kids which she immediately sold for profit, and you wonder why people are bitter? Dene ring them back and start hounding them, do not stop until some kind of balance is made, they will only raid the bank if they have no way of obtaining cash, which happened to me when I was redundant, they froze my account and took ALL of my money, that I had to survive on. If you must take a second mortgage and pay them something to compromise, and as your wife is an accountant she should be able to come up with idea's to help preserve your net worth/assets. I was in the same boat as you, feeling like crap, bullied, harassed, pressured and demoralised. I simply chose to attack them back whilst at the same time thinking of ways to alleviate the financial horse-shit shower they are providing..and they did feed me the line of "do you know how much it costs to raise a child?" etc. So ring them back, and attack, keep ringing until the low level monkeys have no scripts they can read to you and pass you up their food chain to someone who knows what they are talking about, and can actually make decisions, good luck.
 
By: Dene from wa, AUS on August 6, 2014 @ 8:49 pm
I forgot to say they have slapped a departure prohibition order on me to further pressure me to find the $$$$ Jesus, when does it stop?.
 
By: Dene from WA, AUS on August 6, 2014 @ 7:41 pm
I just found this site. I am feeling pretty crap right now. The battles with CSA leave me feeling crapped on every time. I have paid for my son and daughter for 16 years and recently have been assessed at such a high rate that it is unbelievable!. As the "formula" uses a fixed amount component to "allow" the paying parent to live ($22,400 approx), meaning pay "normal" living costs etc it doesn't work for many, me included. My income when i am working is high. Last financial year I had no work for 5 months, however, now that I am working I have been assessed at 22c in the dollar, I am taxed at 49c, I have a huge mortgage and have not been able to sell my home which costs me over $800($40K a year) a week!, because the formula only allows me $22K a year to survive on as part of the assessment I have been told they want $704 a week for my son, as my daughter has now turned 18 and is working etc, my son turns 18 in April next year.Anyway, I am away from home working and have to go home tomorrow night and tell my wife we have to live on $58 a week from now on plus any money we have in any account will be siphoned off to pay for the ( I believe falsely calculated) arrears!.. some bloody $40,000. I am not feeling physically very well the last few days thinking about it. The assessment has gone and amortised my income for the year based on the weekly earnings and presented me with a huge bill because i wasn't paying all year because I was unemployed. I am at a loss as to how I can survive this time. There is a part of me that just doesn't want to play anymore.. but, i have a wonderful wife and an amazing 8 yo son that keeps me focussed at the moment.. this is a horrible feeling to be bullied, harrassed, pressured, demoralised and generally made to feel utterly powerless to get on with my life and have much in the way of joy that we all deserve. My wife is a worrier at the best of time (an accountant by trade) and I feel terrible that she has to share this at our age. i'm 55.
Cheers

 
By: Greg from VIC, Australia on August 6, 2014 @ 6:25 pm
Hello Jason
Your issue is that the alleged $1000 owing is because your redundancy payment was reasonable and made your year total the ssame or more that what you would have got had you not be put off.

You need to contact CSA to say e.g. $20k of my salary last year was redundancy and should not be counted as "normal income". Your year end total will reduce and the debt will be ZERO as in fact you have paind too much due to the fact you continued to pay when you didn't have to. Clearly your ex partner is evil pursuing this.
This exact situation happened with me and I won the protest. You just have to find someone at CSA who cares. Most likely a male. I kid you not..... find the right person and the debt will disappear. Greg
 
260. By: Jason from Victoria, Australia on August 6, 2014 @ 6:06 pm
In August 2013, I finished my employment, was made redundant, and at this time was paying child support for my then 12 y.o daughter, which I was paying into my ex-wife’s bank account. I rang Child Support (CSA), and told them that I will be no longer working, and they said that because of this I didn’t have to pay child support while I wasn’t working and therefore had no income. I was not happy doing this, I thought I’d do the right thing so I estimated my income to them for the remainder of the financial year 2013/14, as I figured I would get a job soon enough.
I did not gain employment until 17 Feb this year, so in that time from early September until the time I started working I was paying $304 per fortnight. In early July this year my present wife and I had a baby, and registered with myGov, and so I linked my child support account with this. At this time I learnt that I had all these emails which I had not been keeping up to date with. In Dec 2013 my daughter turned 13, so I was expected to pay extra from that point on. That information was included in one of the emails that I did not look at. In May 2014 the CSA sent me an email saying that unless I re-estimated my income before 30 June 2014, my assessment would be calculated on my previous tax assessment. That email was also unread by myself. I started work in Feb this year. Even when I started work I didn’t phone child support to tell them of my new estimation, I figured it would change when I did my tax return, so I kept on paying same amount per fortnight.
I rang CSA in July, a fortnight after my son was born, and I told them of my new estimation for this financial year. Recently, I received a phone call from CSA saying that my ex-wife has asked CSA to now take up collection and that I’m nearly $1000 in arrears. Can anything be done to take into account the money I paid while I was unemployed, or is it simply a case of me being ignorant and just copping it on the chin?