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    I have crunched the numbers.. - By:jono from NSW, aust on March 4, 2020 @ 2:57 am
    well...thanks for the replies guys...just so you know, ive been doing the child support thing now ten years..if you refuse to pay..they garnish your wages..if you don't do a return..they ESTIMATE a EXTRA TEN PERCENT increase in your wages..so over ten years..you DOUBLE your wage..ya right..my relationship (new one) of 6 yrs..finished after I explained, couldn't protect my self...I saw MGTOW n you tube (SHE WILL NEVER LOVE YOU..by Turd Flinging Monkey...its was spot on.)and swallowed the red pill..so now im alone on my farm..work is hard to find..and I might have to get rid of my dogs...and rent a room..do some job..and might have $50 after I pay the bills...dam...how the hell do I start again?..got another 8 yrs of this..i don't think rally in a city is going to help us..but I have been giving thought to opening my farm as a refuge for other men in bad way...free camping..free fires..about all I can do..
    GIVE ME A CALL JOHNO - By:FOR REAL from NSW, AUSTRALIA on February 5, 2018 @ 1:16 am
    I have been ripped into by the same system that is ripping into you Johno for the past 2 yrs. I have fought back and have made huge progress. Give me a call and i will guide you through. It isn't that difficult. I will clue you up brother. We can all do it. Ph:0401665736. Hang in there man.
    csa hope - By:Rick from sa, aust on June 7, 2018 @ 12:38 pm
    to jono and all those who reluctantly pay CSA, not because you don't want to but because you don't have the funds and resources, first of all hang in there and don't give up hope. Certainly don't kill yourself. Just increase your knowledge and strength will come.

    Secondly, why pay for kids that don't legally belong to you? Kids are property in the legal world, and property that you and I don't own? If your don't own the property, you're not liable for it. The state or crown, whatever you prefer, own your kids LEGALLY.

    Ask yourself, if DHS or whatever the child services are called in your state wants to take your kids away from the custody of a parent, they can and do so legally..yeah. How come? Simply, kids are state property.

    So don't volunteer payments unless you want to and certainly only if you can afford to. Out of necessity and survival you must feed yourself first.

    Hopefully this will get people thinking. Remember, those that own your kids [being property] own everything in the PUBLIC Trusts and Domain, including anything to do with your name, ie. bank accounts, your employer's company, those plastic notes we call money and so on. In fact our owners own everything and mislead us into thinking we do. If that doesn't piss people off I don't know what will !!!

    If anyone thinks differently, please share your views.
    Im over this... - By:jono from NSW, aust on March 10, 2020 @ 9:03 am
    ....how do I go on? by the time I pay child support..and rent..and car expenses...there nothing left for food...how do I eat? where do I live?..on so over this..Im close to checking out of my meat suit...so sick of trying and getting nowhere..got 8 more years to go..then im 50..whos gunna employ me? how the hell do I live?
    By:Kris from nsw, ZOG on February 4, 2018 @ 1:38 am
    Hi to all paying parents, csa/ family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new stolen generation and domestic violence.
    Tom, this method has worked to some degree. Few year ago you could still talk to those maggots face to face at centerlink .
    But because of all the abuse they copped they went underground, hiding behind their phones and pre scripted answers, learnt at team meetings and training sessions. So you might as well not call those drones.
    Most of the time they dont know what they're doing cause they don't know the legislation, which is not their requirement anyway. By design all they can do is feed(steer) you to the solicitors to keep the machine (family flaw) oiled and your pockets empty.
    Revolution dreaming...
    CSA - By:Tom from NSW, Australia on February 4, 2018 @ 1:38 am
    The ONLY way to deal with CSA is to ring and abuse the officers who work there. Offensive, disgusting, insulting, personal abuse. If we all did it something would happen. Don't bother signing petitions or going to politicians or trying to work out what rights(?) you may have. Say things like "how many men have you killed today?", "how's the blood money?", "why don't you keep records of men who die because of you?", "that blood on your hands will never come out!", "you're worse than the guards at Auschwitz!" etc etc and then just give it to them until they hang up. I try to do it at least once a day. It's all we can do to effect a change. Spread the word. Effect change from the bottom!
    my experience - By:ITSJIM from vic, Australia on March 4, 2020 @ 3:05 am
    recently gone through the whole circus act. My situation = Vindictive stay at home mum -vs- dad on a decent wage, the perfect storm to be screwed over. If this situation is you (or soon to be you), here is my advice from my painful exercise.

    - 80/20 inc super is the starting point, get used to it. you will lose most of what you have ever worked for and pay child support.
    - if mediation has failed, and she has lawyered up. its too late. Lose any thought of people being amicable and fair. Its now a streetfight. Her lawyer will want to settle out of court, getting the best initial settlement, binding agreements and majority Custody, its the standard playbook. Intervention orders are standard. you wont see your kids for 4 months, and pay thousands for psychologist reports to squash the lies that have been made against you. its the “gamesmanship of divorce”.
    - Dont trust lawyers, they are NOT your friend or care about your situation. Think of them as hired guns with a law degree who work on commission. Your ex’s lawyer = get as much as they can from you. Your lawyer = limit the damage. Its not in their best financial interest to settle fast. The more messy, the more $$$. give your lawyers clear instructions - they work for you. if they dont listen, or you feel are not sympathetic or aligned to your cause, find a new one.
    - SETTLE QUICK. Dont let it drag on into an expensive war. it will affect your mental health and the chance for you to rebuild. Demand a court date be booked ASAP by your lawyer. You can always settle in the meantime or at the initial hearing, but what this does is give a fixed point in time where closure commences. BIG psychological bonus.
    - Dont discuss your divorce or situation with anyone at work. with all the crap you will be going through, there will be a drop in your performance and mental state. Dont draw attention to it. Its easy to blame the guy going through a divorce.
    - If you are going to settle out of court - Dont accept any binding agreements (eg paying private school fees, additional monthly lump sums $$$ or costs to be excluded from child support. You need to be able financially rebuild and have a life. If you lose your job, you will still be expected to cover costs of what you agreed to in a binding agreement until a change to consent orders is approved. Remember you are going to be paying $$$ in child support taking into account both your income, and your ex's lack of income. This is money to go to your children - not the holiday/hair/nail fund.
    - Be nice to CSA. its hard i know. they receive tonnes of abuse. If your nice they will give you hints and advice. They know the system is broken.

    Finally, Stay mentally strong, this process breaks the best of us. Nearly broke me. the number of nights i spent crying due to been kept from my kids due to “the standard” intervention order. But it does get better. Which brings me to my final point.

    Get on with your life, do all those things that you were prevented from. Join a sport club, get a hobby, meet new people. Dont lock yourself up and get depressed. Dont try and cling on to what you had. Move on and enjoy life with your children (if you get access), make the best of a bad situation. It will take you on average 3 years to rebuild. i am 1.5YR in, just starting to see to see the light at the end of the tunnel. This is your chance to be free and the world is a wonderful place. Dont be glass half empty. Hang in there!
    380. Ending the Pathology of "Parental Aliena - By:David Farmer from Herts, United Kingdom on February 1, 2019 @ 3:24 pm
    Please sign petition
    Freedom - By:Pikey200 from Victoria, Australia on January 1, 2019 @ 8:17 am
    The only thing that's just -- is to be free. Freedom from the shackles of dealings with any public agency or corporate body whose aim is to rob you, by speaking a different language other than the truth, ie void of common english and full disclosure. Common sense dictates never to enter into agreements with such entities as there is little remedy to overcome any imbalance in power and unjust contracts. If you are in any such unworkable commercial agreements now, seek to terminate if you can. There is very little help in the way of any proper legal help and the ombudsman are illusory in this respect, setup to aid the big power brokers and not the little people, so beware, before you waste your time, effort and money. The only real power people have with these corporate conglomerates is to withhold any financial obligation you may have until they perform specifically to what was bargained for. But the real way to win is not to play with them at all, and for us the people, to work together and create organisations that meet our demands, and are run by real people answerable to real people. Whilst the consciousness of the world is no doubt rising, am I dreaming and alone to think this way?
    Discarded Lives Feature Documentary - By:David Farmer from Herts, United Kingdom on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    Have your say and contribute to Discarded Lives Feature Documentary https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/discardedlivesmovie/discarded-lives-feature-documentary We explore how much of the male suicide rate is driven social factors around separation, divorce and alienation from one's children.
    right on mr J - By:Mick from Vic, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:11 am
    understanding who you are, your rights, agreements and contracts, common law and who they are helps
    Is there Hope - By:James from NSW, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    Kicking and screaming just doesn't work and as much as we would like to think that it will the only way to change the system is to unite as a community. Remember for every payer of CS wanting reforms there is a recipient of CS who doesn't.
    Be informed here is the parliamentary inquiry and the response.

    Find and Sign as many petitions as you can. You will be amazed that we are not alone and that many payers of CS have the same exact concerns. Start here.


    I have had my long days and sleepless nights worrying about child support usually after my ex contacts CSA and changes the situation to get more money.

    One of the most active online communities relating to positive reforms of the Child Support Regime is the Facebook group – Child Support Australia – Time for Reform and Fairness

    Good luck to us all
    Hit where it hurts - By:David Kallenbach from Queensland, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    As Gandhi warned the British, "if we all disobey your law, you'll have to find enough jails to put 350,000,000 into or simply walk away from here.

    Civil disobedience hijacked by the feminist lobby is praised by the courts and parliament. When men try it it is termed obstructing justice.

    Lobby your parliamentarians and your unions. Begin with the builders labourers and the unions at the ports.
    Need for unity and reform - By:David Kallenbach from Queensland, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    Whilst many of the real life cases of a denial of justice and poor legislation manifested especially against children and men in the family courts are based on fact, (a legacy of Gough Whitlam's Family Laws and the Family Court), there remains after all these years a lack of organizational capacity, unity or strategic approach to this problem of violence against men (by government, women and the law).

    The current Family Law and the courts it has spawned is a system that finds legitimacy in the same morality, and logic that allowed Apartheid and Sharia to exist with impunity for all these years. It is legal. It is backed by legislation.

    There are several men's groups advocating for the same causes as Father's 4 Justice but all of who appear divided and unable to articulate their positions in a cogent and effective way.

    I am not writing with a view to condemning or unfairly criticising anyone or any group in this field but to point out what is instead missing in what is potentially a very powerful lobby out there.

    Whats worthy of criticism though is the absence of practitioners amongst practicing male legal practitioners, unlike their female counterparts (some of it explainable through the heavily discriminatory practices of Legal Aid and other government agencies) and a political lobby to take this cause to our lawmakers in parliament.

    If mens groups agree to meet and to speak with one voice, both sides of the great divide in government will and must listen or be held captive to the powerful women's lobby which in fact is funded by government.

    The women's lobbies receive several millions of dollars each year in unioon and government funding and grants to fund academics (mainly women) to write scurrilous thesis supporting the hatred of men and the stereotyping of men which family court judges then make references to as erudite pieces of scholarship to support their distorted judgments against men and children.

    The Liberals / Nationals and the Labour movement cannot in fact exist without men. The Labour party created the Family courts yet many men in "their wisdom" mainly disenfranchised fathers continue to support the Labour party through their unions (the lifeblood of the Labour party) in the most idiotic form of self destruction.

    The economy continues to suffer from the results of the unequal distribution of the family nest egg and the burden of responsibility for the welfare of children in support of feminist theories supported by an Apartheid type of legislation and the general idiocy of men.

    If you are serious as men and aas responsible fathers, then let your mates know about this and use this forum to generate ideas.

    What is needed is for all mens groups to merge and put the union movement and government and the opposition on notice that men are on the march.

    The purpose of stuffing more and more incompetent women into the largest employer in the country and elsewhere with 'affirmative action' policies (the public service) is to stack the union movement and to render men and their power there impotent and ineffective.

    There are male lawyers willing to assist but yo need to be organized.
    Child Support - By:Jason TeWhaiti from WA, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    I look at my situation like a company going bankrupt, like most company's going under you know well in advance what's going to happen, so get rid of your assets, hide your money , don't pay the bills and just wait till your bankrupt, you can be broke and happy or broke and stressed, now find ways to earn money tax free, as for the kids I did offer to have them, I'm not dealing with child support, the system they have in place is confusing?
    Family Law Reform ~ 2018 - By:David Farmer from Herts, United Kingdom on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    After some 14 years campaigning against the unjust Family Court systems WORLDWIDE I feel all there is left to do is for us all who have experienced this corrupt industry is lobby our Deparetment's for Justice Leaders and the Media! {I have posted all my resourses on the forums within this website}
    Over payments of child support - By:Alan Jamieson from Qld, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    Can you help me. I've been having to pay child support for two years. Even though I've had the children 50/50. I knew she was lying about her earnings as she's self employed but struggled to prove it. Now it's been proven by Child Support themselves that she was earning at least 5X times more than she declared can I recoup the money ? And how do I go about it.
    370. Child Support War - By:Thomas Read from New South Wales, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    The CSA are waging a war against our community. It can't be reformed. The most satisfactory way to deal with these thieving cunts is to ring and abuse their officers as much as possible to make it so painful for anyone to work there. Mention self-harm and they call the police and the ambulance service. Keep abusing them personally until their system is clogged up and breaks down. No reform, no tinkering, it just needs to be stopped!
    Fraud of an Ex - By:James from NSW, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    Been reading many of the posts, gotta say feel the system is failing the kids and decent fathers. Im happy to pay my share for my kids, but I also I feel I cant move forward. I was left with all the debts 6 years ago, then handed over 75% of the assets of which was fine, I just wanted out. Considering shes used the lot and declared bankruptcy in 6 years tells you how she is with money, so for another five years I will have to pay CS, but lets be honest she will continue to spend it on herself and tell the kids she had bills to pay. I am also one of those blokes that refused to pay extra for kids bills, Over $7K a year for my kids and then support them when there with me, and she had the guts to try get me to pay extra for the kids. When I asked her what she does with the money I got the classic reply "non of my business". So like most of you fathers when the money stopped so did my visitation with kids. Parental alienation doesn't begin to explain the campaign she had against me, now shes left the state taken kids out of school with 6 weeks till the end of year, no plans to enroll them in a new school and kids think there on a big adventure. Told CS and DOCS about my concerns about the kids education and got the classic brush off. The CSA is not exactly set up to do much more than collect money. My ex claims family tax,a full disability pension, Child Support and runs a business from home ( at least $800-$1000) a week based on previous years when I did the books. Tally = $580+$800+$350+$800 = $2580/fortnight. $ $65780 a year why would she need to be honest when it pays so well to be a fraud. Did Centrelink care? Did CSA care? answer NO.
    So How do I keep going each day even though I feel like I get knocked to the ground each week?
    The way I see it my ex will eventually will get caught out and have to pay the GOVT back or do jail time, the kids will grow up and realize their mother did everything to keep them from their father and dragged them from place to place with no stable family setting and that she robbed them of that. When their 18 she will stop getting family tax and CS and have to get a real job, she'll be 45 no real prospect so Id say she will spend the rest of her life working some dead end job waiting for the end. And we'll I truly believe I will have my kids back when they turn 18 and their mother no longer getting money for them. As adults,I will have a stable home for them to come back to, I will survive the next 5 years and be able to enjoy much awaited reunion, I will be able to guide them as adults and show the right from wrong.
    So I have a lot to look forward to in the future as for now, I will keep going on because I know that one day I will have my kids back, for now I will speak with then as often as I can, try get to see them a couple of times a year and always let the know that their father is here for them.
    Evidence in front of judge - By:Michael Buis from SA, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    WHY won't my lawyer put a video of my kids saying what mother is doing to them in front of judge ? But ex partner can accusations of me hurting kids when it is her how can independent lawyers get involved with out judge order it judge won't do it cause of cost which I think is rubbish
    Child support - By:Xxxxxx1 from Prefer not to say , Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    We just found out my partners ex has been made redundant.
    So far she has already managed to go on one holiday and has booked another. Her redundancy won't be enough to piss it away like that without us ending up picking up the tab.
    Does anyone have any good tips to prevent being screwed in this situation? I took a screenshot of first holiday trip reference in case we need to defend a COA early next year. I plan to do the same with holiday 2 references. I don't work full-time so that I can pick up the tab for her BS. I have my own 2 kids to pay for. Just feels like when you live in a household with two CSA assessments running you are fckd. At least you are if you are 1)honest and 2) want to get ahead. The ex has done a COA in the past so we are dealing with one of those entitled types unfortunately.
    Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
    REPEL GAY AGENDA IN EVERY WAY - By:JWS from W.A, AUSTRALIA on December 26, 2019 @ 6:12 am
    I believe there can only be one true motive behind the GAY marriage & education agenda of our kids and that is the social engineering to simply breed out real hetrosexual, strong & spirited alpha men & beautiful loving feminine women from the word go through tampering with our young kids.

    Many may think this is paranoia but this is the final step to total corruption of our values and end of our society and family norms as we have come to know them.

    Chaos & confusion will reign as identity is thrown to the wind. Distraction, debasement of humanity, depletion of wealth & loss of freedom & self determination will cease to flourish. Everything as we know it will be turned on its head. Our family heritage & genealogy will shrivel & become extinct in two to three generations.

    Who is behind this sinister plot you wonder?

    Whilst many feminists, man and traditional family hating trolls have infiltrated areas of government & key academic & other sectors of influence, the places to look for the real culprits of this latest engineering push would be those who would gain the most by the destruction of the normal man, woman & family unit.

    The family unit, being the last bastion of hope, strength & salvation of our spirit, which has been under attack for decades, may eventually fall. The trinity -- Dad, Mum & child all gone. Hmmm...what's really at play here?
    The system - By:Grant Neale from South Australia, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:13 am
    Hey Guys

    Im in the same boat as most of you dealing with CSA and the courts, im a fairly level headed bloke when it comes to this crap we deal with, if you are thinking on how to change things then you need to get behind your computers and start typing, i mean emails to politicians, emails to the DSS (Department of social services) they are the governing body on the legislation which creates this system. If all of us type our realistic problems without abuse :) then things will change. Dont be afraid to write to Pollies, i wrote an email to a conservative pollie and had a reply email in less than an hour with another reply to come and speak with him 3 days later. Just keep cool headed and think straight and keep it to realistic problems and it will work.
    Im no expert im just a normal tradie!
    Ex hitting me up for school excursions - By:Barry from NSW, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:13 am
    Hi guys,
    I'm a newbie here but looking for an answer please.
    My ex who I pay child support to, is hitting me up for extra stuff like school excursion fees. I thought child support was supposed to cover this and my ex duly budget properly for same. Am I being a bit mean spirited or reasonable in my concerns? Is there a legal opinion or formal answer on this? Obviously I will not let my young bloke miss out, but I don't want my ex thinking she can just hit me up for her poor financial skills (and she chooses not to work of course)! Many thanks.
    Optus restricting services breaches - By:Johnsie from Vic, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:13 am
    Breach of agreement by Optus for unlawful restriction, disconnection and cancellation of NBN landline, internet & mobile phone services, not once or even twice, but some 15 times. Further, half of these restrictions were intentionally caused by Optus management for raising complaint with TIO as one can only perceive as a form of punishment. However, the cruel thing is TIO says Optus' offer of $1,000 credit (non-refundable) is fair & reasonable, although a claim of some $6,000 has been submitted for some 12 months of damage, although some have said the compensation figure being sought is way too low. One guy said he received $3,500 compensation for some 3 days of no internet. What does everyone think??
    problems with family court - By:f4joz_mobile from wa, australia on October 16, 2017 @ 12:28 am
    problems with australian family court that i've experianced 1st hand:
    1: even if a judge tells a mother "you have 21 days to provide the father with your concerns" she can "Legally" ignore that and wait till the 2nd court hearing to give her concerns.
    2: even without any evidence against the father, the court cannot force the mother to do anything they can only encourage her to offer some care.
    3: if a mother makes a false allegation against a father the court tells the father he can't sue her as he can only continue going to court.
    4: legal aid only has enough money for lawyers to help his client for so long eg i am only getting 3 days in court with my lawyer but he told me you will need to be in court atleast 5 times b4 getting full weekend care plus school holidays! Thats not even 50/50 care lol
    All 4 things were told to me in w.a. family court no bull shit!
    If i had the money i could actually take this to the high court and organise a royal commision inquest with u.n. advice....these problems are actually against the rights agreed on at the u.n.
    Banks class action group reqd - By:Mick from Vic, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:13 am
    Banks are getting away with murder. If a Claims and Class action group against banks is not already setup can people look into organising one as i doubt any royal commission will ever get off the ground.
    360. Water off2 - By:Johnno from vic2, aust2 on December 26, 2019 @ 6:13 am
    had this happen last year those little f**s. good to know success stories on this.
    YVW Restricted Water - By:Mick from Vic, Australia on July 28, 2017 @ 9:41 am
    Had Yarra Valley Water chop off a friends water other day without proper notice or cause. Anyone been in same boat and sought compensation?
    Money grabbers they are - By:JohnnyBgood from NSW, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:13 am
    Not sure about everyone Tina but a few of us blokes are...more good people are urged to do the same.
    Money Grabbers - By:Tina from Vic, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 6:13 am
    When is everyone going to stand up to these money making corporations whose aim is only to line their own pockets just like Politicians
    There are Great Voices Out There - By:Conway from SA, Australia on October 28, 2017 @ 10:37 pm
    Another great factual video by Mark Lathan and Betina, which explains everyhting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dJlaP5LPFw
    cultural Marxism - By:kris from nsw, ZOG on June 28, 2017 @ 3:22 am
    "The Revolution won't happen with guns,rather it will happen incrementally, year by year generation by generation. We will gradually infiltrate their educational institutions and their political offices, transforming them slowly into Marxist entities as we move towards universal egalitarianism "
    Global CSA - By:Gary Hardiman from West Midlands, United Kingdom on January 28, 2018 @ 8:12 pm
    Don't you think it rather ironic that the CSA exists in so many countries that it's roots can't be national yet we all look at it as a branch of our own governmental institutions? This thing is way bigger it's a global but localised money making machine without accountability.This should surely be enough to question its integrity. You only have to look at the model to realise it's only there to benefit itself and advance a global agenda. This may sound crack pot idealism but look into it and see for yourself, anything that is adopted globally that is not of benefit to you and I is wrong, we are all gifted a share in the world what's yours being used for? Do you really believe they will let this go, the national law protects it, international law protects it, it is so well written that it almost creates a loop you can't escape from until either the child is no longer a child or the parent with care withdraws and you reach a private amicable agreement,yet still they watch over you. This should chill you all to your bones because it has affect way beyond just maintenance payment, it removes your freedom of choice, who but God (if you believe) or yourself should do that?
    The Red Pill Movie - By:Cogs from SA, Australia on October 28, 2017 @ 10:37 pm
    If it hasn't been said yet already, do what you can to watch the movie called 'The Red Pill'.

    So many things in the movie will ring true with fathers. It (the facts), brought me and many others to tears knowing my extreme was not a sole case.

    Here are some guys who helped me over time:
    Cassie Jaye - (The Red Pill producer) mature, kind and wise beyond her years
    The Enlightened Kiwi https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDRhy5G0TGF0nHdMjSH2E6w
    Diana Davison and her great work for an unfair justice system
    The Sandman, Spetsnaz, babar, all great speakers. There are many more but these are easily found on youtube and will certainly let you know you are not alone.

    I can also add, try the obvious and attempt to get out of 'the system'. There are ruthless agendas out there you simply need to open your eyes to.
    Who is standing up for us - By:Matt from South Australia, Australia on May 1, 2018 @ 8:05 am
    So who is standing up for us dads?
    I read so much and am one who also experiences the discriminatory aggression from CSA. They consistently lie (i got an apology out of them for that!) They don't understand their own policies, they are taught to take one parents side of the dispute and persecute the other and they don't know how to reason? I earn a small wage, my former wife earns slightly less, I was unemployed from july 2016 to sept 2016 and she was employed yet i paid maintenance despite our split in August 2016, unfair or sexist or both? I could not reason with them and ended up paying back dated maintenance. That hurt!
    My former wife verbally committed to not wanting maintenance payments at first but once they started be banked she backflipped. She has capacity to earn a very good wage as a chef because of her trade but verbally admitted it would affect her entitlements so she works a basic admin job and sponges off me.
    I pay for the school uniforms, school excursions, school intersports days, camps and any other school fees. I paid for kids counseling after our split, I am the one taking kids to the dr's, chiropractor and physio. I am the one paying for out of hours tuition, sports fees. She just sends them to school sick and then the teachers ring me to take them home to be cared for. The CSA saga would've been avoided if I had the same treatment as her. When I applied for family tax benefits after the split I had to prove our split and have a child support agreement in place, so i naively contacted CSA. She only had to deal with centrelink as she was registered as the the primary care giver in our marriage and didn't need to provide a child support agreement, go figure that sexist crap out?
    I've had enough, can someone tell me if there is any politicians who are seriously looking into having CSA rebuilt from top to toe? 4 men a week who commit suicide can be traced back to CSA. We need to act!
    They're not my kids - CSA unfair - By:Mrs Very Annoyed from Queensland, Australia on May 1, 2018 @ 8:05 am
    I just received notification from the CSA that they require my business' financial records to ascertain my husband's involvement. This is a breach of my privacy as an Australian citizen and apparently I can't do anything about it. Seeking legal advice today, and will fight it to the end. CSA won't speak to me, yet is making demands for my documents via my husband. This is so not on!
    350. Alienation - By:Steve from Wa, Australia on October 16, 2017 @ 12:30 am
    Hi Guys,

    I am sorry to hear so many stories of pain and misery.. It is very dismaying to hear that the system which is supposed to protect children, is the very system which is enabling the abuse.

    I, like so many of you am unable to communicate in anyway with the people I care most about.. For me, it is worse than bereavement, as I know everyday that they are alive and well. To say I miss talking with them, would be a vast understatement...

    As I am running out of money, I will shortly be self representing:/

    I wondered if anyone would be able to help with templates of affidavits, etc

    Any help, or guidance will be greatly appreciated

    Stay strong fellas, as our children will one day need our strength

    Infinite hell - By:Fuck Australia from WA, Australia on December 15, 2017 @ 9:41 pm
    They only want your children for taxes and corpse for body parts
    Ph - By:Simon from Vic, Auschwitz on March 21, 2017 @ 12:18 pm
    Ph not for us guys. Voted for her ,, hunch & other ind. all useless comrades. They all sound good before,, once elected their big words gone. It's just all us little fellas gotta stick together nobody's gonna save us
    One nation to scrap csa altogether - By:Scott from Qld, Australia on September 28, 2017 @ 10:49 am
    As Lenny had mentioned and if perhaps anyone was to stand up for what's fair and right and really listen to us fathers out there who seem to b ringing all the same tune if not very similar. I know SHE is a politician and not many politicians could b trusted these days she does seem to have a voice and gotten further then many would have imagined. Perhaps she is understanding of the injustices that are goin on with fathers and families these days and the one whom could bring about change? I too have been harassed by csa and accused of earning more then I had over the year in question, whilst being alienated from my 4yo daughter unjustly and soon to have another dvo placed against me by the mother who cares only for herself and taking advantage of the screwed up system in place and she along with the courts don't seem to care at all about a meaningful relationship between my daughter and I. Surely we can all come together and appeal to her to b our voice? She certainly would have a very high percentage of backers goin by all the men out there and in this forum. I'm certain the numbers are higher then anyone would imagine and that don't and haven't come forward. If we don't come together we stand no chance of being heard and having change. Enough is enough!
    Why bother - By:Thom from NSW, Oz on June 23, 2017 @ 10:54 am
    Why do we even bother going to court when it never benefits us or our kids in the end? Everyone ends up stressed (don't care about ex bitch being stressed just kids and us men) and fathers end up broke. The only ones who profit are lawyers and ex bitches
    Long way to go - By:Paul from Q, Aust on May 14, 2017 @ 2:59 am
    Gents, im afraid to say that nothing is going to change any time soon. If you are a heterosexual, Anglo-Saxon, separated father with a fixed income you are now officially one the most down-trodden, harassed, worthless individuals that grace this earth. Even worse, if you dare to bug out and quit your career you now carry the label 'dead-beat dad'. Never mind that you did it to preserve your sanity or you possibly experienced a break-down or worse, no-one except you actually cares.
    The only thing that has maintained my sanity is tomalways think what is best for my kids. Not easy to do when you testicles are in a vice and the ex-wife is turning the screw, but worth it in the end.
    I'm back in court tomorrow fighting for parenting orders. The vile little serpent ensured that everything that I had built is gone via a ridiculously managed property settlement. Only the lawyers benefited out of the entire two year process ( STO LAW and Leisa Toomey scored $110,000), and the halfwit judge swept my application for parenting orders under the carpet.
    Tonight I spent another two hours doing a court imposed anger management course, completely mind-numbing, and next Wednesday I'll wander off to community service for the day...just 120 hours to go.
    The message here...don't wait for this shit to happen to you, spend a long time planning your escape and make sure that you have your shit in a pile. The odds are, your ex will behave like mine and thousands of others and the system will encourage them to taking a large thorny object and shove it deep into your arse....then you'll know your fucked.
    Where to move - By:Jag from SA, Australia on September 11, 2017 @ 12:45 pm
    Can any gents help me? I wanna know what countries don't have csa agreement with Australia?? Like if I move to America can csa still find me and take my money? What about Philippines? Thailand? England?
    any help appreciated
    Child Support contacts - By:Don from nsw, australia on September 28, 2017 @ 10:47 am
    Why stop at Kathryn Campbell, Below are some others all of which share the same phone number and postal address. Each is responsible for their faulty and biased actions.
    Deputy Secretary-payments reform Mr John Murphy
    Deputy Secretary-Service Delivery Operations Mr Barry Jackson
    Deputy Secretary-Program Design Dr Jill Charker
    Deputy Secretary-Enabling Services Mr Jonathan Hutson
    Deputy Secretary-Integrity and Information Ms Malisa Golightly

    Sorry but that last one just gave me the best laugh in a while.. Not enough of one and too much of the other.

    By:Gsm from Qld, Australia on September 28, 2017 @ 10:44 am
    Kathryn Campbell CSC

    PO Box 7788 Canberra Business Centre ACT 2610
    (02) 6155 7788

    If you want to inform this feminist of the standout job shes doing destroying people's lives fire away
    Kathryn Campbell/Sunrise - By:Gsm from Qld, Australia on November 23, 2017 @ 3:12 pm
    Kathryn Campbell, minister for feminism, advocater of suicide and domestic violence. Who would be interested in picketing the Sunrise window with signs until they got us in for a chat?
    340. Help re earning an income... - By:Laurie from Qld, Australia on September 28, 2017 @ 10:44 am
    Hello. I've read somewhere on here someone's experience re protecting their wife's income from the CSA but I can't find it again. Can someone please help me?

    My husband pays child maintenance for a child his ex wife is collecting money for. What is the best way to protect my income & assets from the CSA? We've been advised to set up a Family Trust but I can't find info re whether or not we should set up a Company or each work under our own ABN with monies going into the Trust.

    Anyone help me please?


    Not all women are evil - By:Laurie from Qld, Australia on February 17, 2017 @ 4:15 am
    Hey fellahs. I've been reading your posts and it's true that there are women who have treated you worse than dogs. Truth is, not all women are like that so please don't tar us all with the same brush. Please don't turn this site into a hate fest even though I know you're in great pain. It was two men who treated me cruelly yet I know not all men are like them. There are women like Melanie who want to help men and women who are abused by the other & the system - she's not the "dog that bit you" so please, don't tar us all with the hatred that should only be directed at the specific women who hurt you. Such women are traitors to their own kind - they betray us good women as well.
    Only the first one counts - By:FuckedUpBigTime from NSW, Australia on May 14, 2017 @ 3:00 am
    Did you realise only the first mother of your child/ren counts? Only the kid/s with her matter to csa?
    If you want to have any with your current wife you better be a fucking billionaire because csa will let them go without even when your ex remarries and has 4 more kids because the first one/s are the only one that counts
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