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    Fraud of an Ex - By:James from NSW, Australia on February 5, 2018 @ 12:21 pm
    Been reading many of the posts, gotta say feel the system is failing the kids and decent fathers. Im happy to pay my share for my kids, but I also I feel I cant move forward. I was left with all the debts 6 years ago, then handed over 75% of the assets of which was fine, I just wanted out. Considering shes used the lot and declared bankruptcy in 6 years tells you how she is with money, so for another five years I will have to pay CS, but lets be honest she will continue to spend it on herself and tell the kids she had bills to pay. I am also one of those blokes that refused to pay extra for kids bills, Over $7K a year for my kids and then support them when there with me, and she had the guts to try get me to pay extra for the kids. When I asked her what she does with the money I got the classic reply "non of my business". So like most of you fathers when the money stopped so did my visitation with kids. Parental alienation doesn't begin to explain the campaign she had against me, now shes left the state taken kids out of school with 6 weeks till the end of year, no plans to enroll them in a new school and kids think there on a big adventure. Told CS and DOCS about my concerns about the kids education and got the classic brush off. The CSA is not exactly set up to do much more than collect money. My ex claims family tax,a full disability pension, Child Support and runs a business from home ( at least $800-$1000) a week based on previous years when I did the books. Tally = $580+$800+$350+$800 = $2580/fortnight. $ $65780 a year why would she need to be honest when it pays so well to be a fraud. Did Centrelink care? Did CSA care? answer NO.
    So How do I keep going each day even though I feel like I get knocked to the ground each week?
    The way I see it my ex will eventually will get caught out and have to pay the GOVT back or do jail time, the kids will grow up and realize their mother did everything to keep them from their father and dragged them from place to place with no stable family setting and that she robbed them of that. When their 18 she will stop getting family tax and CS and have to get a real job, she'll be 45 no real prospect so Id say she will spend the rest of her life working some dead end job waiting for the end. And we'll I truly believe I will have my kids back when they turn 18 and their mother no longer getting money for them. As adults,I will have a stable home for them to come back to, I will survive the next 5 years and be able to enjoy much awaited reunion, I will be able to guide them as adults and show the right from wrong.
    So I have a lot to look forward to in the future as for now, I will keep going on because I know that one day I will have my kids back, for now I will speak with then as often as I can, try get to see them a couple of times a year and always let the know that their father is here for them.
    Evidence in front of judge - By:Michael Buis from SA, Australia on November 12, 2017 @ 9:35 pm
    WHY won't my lawyer put a video of my kids saying what mother is doing to them in front of judge ? But ex partner can accusations of me hurting kids when it is her how can independent lawyers get involved with out judge order it judge won't do it cause of cost which I think is rubbish
    Child support - By:Xxxxxx1 from Prefer not to say , Australia on October 9, 2017 @ 12:06 am
    We just found out my partners ex has been made redundant.
    So far she has already managed to go on one holiday and has booked another. Her redundancy won't be enough to piss it away like that without us ending up picking up the tab.
    Does anyone have any good tips to prevent being screwed in this situation? I took a screenshot of first holiday trip reference in case we need to defend a COA early next year. I plan to do the same with holiday 2 references. I don't work full-time so that I can pick up the tab for her BS. I have my own 2 kids to pay for. Just feels like when you live in a household with two CSA assessments running you are fckd. At least you are if you are 1)honest and 2) want to get ahead. The ex has done a COA in the past so we are dealing with one of those entitled types unfortunately.
    Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
    REPEL GAY AGENDA IN EVERY WAY - By:JWS from W.A, AUSTRALIA on January 29, 2018 @ 7:03 am
    I believe there can only be one true motive behind the GAY marriage & education agenda of our kids and that is the social engineering to simply breed out real hetrosexual, strong & spirited alpha men & beautiful loving feminine women from the word go through tampering with our young kids.

    Many may think this is paranoia but this is the final step to total corruption of our values and end of our society and family norms as we have come to know them.

    Chaos & confusion will reign as identity is thrown to the wind. Distraction, debasement of humanity, depletion of wealth & loss of freedom & self determination will cease to flourish. Everything as we know it will be turned on its head. Our family heritage & genealogy will shrivel & become extinct in two to three generations.

    Who is behind this sinister plot you wonder?

    Whilst many feminists, man and traditional family hating trolls have infiltrated areas of government & key academic & other sectors of influence, the places to look for the real culprits of this latest engineering push would be those who would gain the most by the destruction of the normal man, woman & family unit.

    The family unit, being the last bastion of hope, strength & salvation of our spirit, which has been under attack for decades, may eventually fall. The trinity -- Dad, Mum & child all gone. Hmmm...what's really at play here?
    The system - By:Grant Neale from South Australia, Australia on October 16, 2017 @ 11:26 am
    Hey Guys

    Im in the same boat as most of you dealing with CSA and the courts, im a fairly level headed bloke when it comes to this crap we deal with, if you are thinking on how to change things then you need to get behind your computers and start typing, i mean emails to politicians, emails to the DSS (Department of social services) they are the governing body on the legislation which creates this system. If all of us type our realistic problems without abuse :) then things will change. Dont be afraid to write to Pollies, i wrote an email to a conservative pollie and had a reply email in less than an hour with another reply to come and speak with him 3 days later. Just keep cool headed and think straight and keep it to realistic problems and it will work.
    Im no expert im just a normal tradie!
    Ex hitting me up for school excursions - By:Barry from NSW, Australia on February 14, 2018 @ 9:39 am
    Hi guys,
    I'm a newbie here but looking for an answer please.
    My ex who I pay child support to, is hitting me up for extra stuff like school excursion fees. I thought child support was supposed to cover this and my ex duly budget properly for same. Am I being a bit mean spirited or reasonable in my concerns? Is there a legal opinion or formal answer on this? Obviously I will not let my young bloke miss out, but I don't want my ex thinking she can just hit me up for her poor financial skills (and she chooses not to work of course)! Many thanks.
    Optus restricting services breaches - By:Johnsie from Vic, Australia on August 13, 2017 @ 11:18 pm
    Breach of agreement by Optus for unlawful restriction, disconnection and cancellation of NBN landline, internet & mobile phone services, not once or even twice, but some 15 times. Further, half of these restrictions were intentionally caused by Optus management for raising complaint with TIO as one can only perceive as a form of punishment. However, the cruel thing is TIO says Optus' offer of $1,000 credit (non-refundable) is fair & reasonable, although a claim of some $6,000 has been submitted for some 12 months of damage, although some have said the compensation figure being sought is way too low. One guy said he received $3,500 compensation for some 3 days of no internet. What does everyone think??
    problems with family court - By:f4joz_mobile from wa, australia on October 16, 2017 @ 11:28 am
    problems with australian family court that i've experianced 1st hand:
    1: even if a judge tells a mother "you have 21 days to provide the father with your concerns" she can "Legally" ignore that and wait till the 2nd court hearing to give her concerns.
    2: even without any evidence against the father, the court cannot force the mother to do anything they can only encourage her to offer some care.
    3: if a mother makes a false allegation against a father the court tells the father he can't sue her as he can only continue going to court.
    4: legal aid only has enough money for lawyers to help his client for so long eg i am only getting 3 days in court with my lawyer but he told me you will need to be in court atleast 5 times b4 getting full weekend care plus school holidays! Thats not even 50/50 care lol
    All 4 things were told to me in w.a. family court no bull shit!
    If i had the money i could actually take this to the high court and organise a royal commision inquest with u.n. advice....these problems are actually against the rights agreed on at the u.n.
    Banks class action group reqd - By:Mick from Vic, Australia on August 4, 2017 @ 9:38 pm
    Banks are getting away with murder. If a Claims and Class action group against banks is not already setup can people look into organising one as i doubt any royal commission will ever get off the ground.
    360. Water off2 - By:Johnno from vic2, aust2 on August 4, 2017 @ 8:42 pm
    had this happen last year those little f**s. good to know success stories on this.
    YVW Restricted Water - By:Mick from Vic, Australia on July 28, 2017 @ 7:41 pm
    Had Yarra Valley Water chop off a friends water other day without proper notice or cause. Anyone been in same boat and sought compensation?
    Money grabbers they are - By:JohnnyBgood from NSW, Australia on July 19, 2017 @ 2:59 pm
    Not sure about everyone Tina but a few of us blokes are...more good people are urged to do the same.
    Money Grabbers - By:Tina from Vic, Australia on July 19, 2017 @ 2:59 pm
    When is everyone going to stand up to these money making corporations whose aim is only to line their own pockets just like Politicians
    There are Great Voices Out There - By:Conway from SA, Australia on October 29, 2017 @ 9:37 am
    Another great factual video by Mark Lathan and Betina, which explains everyhting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dJlaP5LPFw
    cultural Marxism - By:kris from nsw, ZOG on June 28, 2017 @ 1:22 pm
    "The Revolution won't happen with guns,rather it will happen incrementally, year by year generation by generation. We will gradually infiltrate their educational institutions and their political offices, transforming them slowly into Marxist entities as we move towards universal egalitarianism "
    Global CSA - By:Gary Hardiman from West Midlands, United Kingdom on January 29, 2018 @ 7:12 am
    Don't you think it rather ironic that the CSA exists in so many countries that it's roots can't be national yet we all look at it as a branch of our own governmental institutions? This thing is way bigger it's a global but localised money making machine without accountability.This should surely be enough to question its integrity. You only have to look at the model to realise it's only there to benefit itself and advance a global agenda. This may sound crack pot idealism but look into it and see for yourself, anything that is adopted globally that is not of benefit to you and I is wrong, we are all gifted a share in the world what's yours being used for? Do you really believe they will let this go, the national law protects it, international law protects it, it is so well written that it almost creates a loop you can't escape from until either the child is no longer a child or the parent with care withdraws and you reach a private amicable agreement,yet still they watch over you. This should chill you all to your bones because it has affect way beyond just maintenance payment, it removes your freedom of choice, who but God (if you believe) or yourself should do that?
    The Red Pill Movie - By:Cogs from SA, Australia on October 29, 2017 @ 9:37 am
    If it hasn't been said yet already, do what you can to watch the movie called 'The Red Pill'.

    So many things in the movie will ring true with fathers. It (the facts), brought me and many others to tears knowing my extreme was not a sole case.

    Here are some guys who helped me over time:
    Cassie Jaye - (The Red Pill producer) mature, kind and wise beyond her years
    The Enlightened Kiwi https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDRhy5G0TGF0nHdMjSH2E6w
    Diana Davison and her great work for an unfair justice system
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVRQqUgDRBevsDGOeE1DL3A
    The Sandman, Spetsnaz, babar, all great speakers. There are many more but these are easily found on youtube and will certainly let you know you are not alone.

    I can also add, try the obvious and attempt to get out of 'the system'. There are ruthless agendas out there you simply need to open your eyes to.
    Who is standing up for us - By:Matt from South Australia, Australia on May 1, 2018 @ 6:05 pm
    So who is standing up for us dads?
    I read so much and am one who also experiences the discriminatory aggression from CSA. They consistently lie (i got an apology out of them for that!) They don't understand their own policies, they are taught to take one parents side of the dispute and persecute the other and they don't know how to reason? I earn a small wage, my former wife earns slightly less, I was unemployed from july 2016 to sept 2016 and she was employed yet i paid maintenance despite our split in August 2016, unfair or sexist or both? I could not reason with them and ended up paying back dated maintenance. That hurt!
    My former wife verbally committed to not wanting maintenance payments at first but once they started be banked she backflipped. She has capacity to earn a very good wage as a chef because of her trade but verbally admitted it would affect her entitlements so she works a basic admin job and sponges off me.
    I pay for the school uniforms, school excursions, school intersports days, camps and any other school fees. I paid for kids counseling after our split, I am the one taking kids to the dr's, chiropractor and physio. I am the one paying for out of hours tuition, sports fees. She just sends them to school sick and then the teachers ring me to take them home to be cared for. The CSA saga would've been avoided if I had the same treatment as her. When I applied for family tax benefits after the split I had to prove our split and have a child support agreement in place, so i naively contacted CSA. She only had to deal with centrelink as she was registered as the the primary care giver in our marriage and didn't need to provide a child support agreement, go figure that sexist crap out?
    I've had enough, can someone tell me if there is any politicians who are seriously looking into having CSA rebuilt from top to toe? 4 men a week who commit suicide can be traced back to CSA. We need to act!
    They're not my kids - CSA unfair - By:Mrs Very Annoyed from Queensland, Australia on May 1, 2018 @ 6:05 pm
    I just received notification from the CSA that they require my business' financial records to ascertain my husband's involvement. This is a breach of my privacy as an Australian citizen and apparently I can't do anything about it. Seeking legal advice today, and will fight it to the end. CSA won't speak to me, yet is making demands for my documents via my husband. This is so not on!
    350. Alienation - By:Steve from Wa, Australia on October 16, 2017 @ 11:30 am
    Hi Guys,

    I am sorry to hear so many stories of pain and misery.. It is very dismaying to hear that the system which is supposed to protect children, is the very system which is enabling the abuse.

    I, like so many of you am unable to communicate in anyway with the people I care most about.. For me, it is worse than bereavement, as I know everyday that they are alive and well. To say I miss talking with them, would be a vast understatement...

    As I am running out of money, I will shortly be self representing:/

    I wondered if anyone would be able to help with templates of affidavits, etc

    Any help, or guidance will be greatly appreciated

    Stay strong fellas, as our children will one day need our strength

    Steve
    Infinite hell - By:Fuck Australia from WA, Australia on December 16, 2017 @ 8:41 am
    They only want your children for taxes and corpse for body parts
    Ph - By:Simon from Vic, Auschwitz on March 21, 2017 @ 11:18 pm
    Ph not for us guys. Voted for her ,, hunch & other ind. all useless comrades. They all sound good before,, once elected their big words gone. It's just all us little fellas gotta stick together nobody's gonna save us
    One nation to scrap csa altogether - By:Scott from Qld, Australia on September 28, 2017 @ 8:49 pm
    As Lenny had mentioned and if perhaps anyone was to stand up for what's fair and right and really listen to us fathers out there who seem to b ringing all the same tune if not very similar. I know SHE is a politician and not many politicians could b trusted these days she does seem to have a voice and gotten further then many would have imagined. Perhaps she is understanding of the injustices that are goin on with fathers and families these days and the one whom could bring about change? I too have been harassed by csa and accused of earning more then I had over the year in question, whilst being alienated from my 4yo daughter unjustly and soon to have another dvo placed against me by the mother who cares only for herself and taking advantage of the screwed up system in place and she along with the courts don't seem to care at all about a meaningful relationship between my daughter and I. Surely we can all come together and appeal to her to b our voice? She certainly would have a very high percentage of backers goin by all the men out there and in this forum. I'm certain the numbers are higher then anyone would imagine and that don't and haven't come forward. If we don't come together we stand no chance of being heard and having change. Enough is enough!
    Why bother - By:Thom from NSW, Oz on June 23, 2017 @ 8:54 pm
    Why do we even bother going to court when it never benefits us or our kids in the end? Everyone ends up stressed (don't care about ex bitch being stressed just kids and us men) and fathers end up broke. The only ones who profit are lawyers and ex bitches
    Long way to go - By:Paul from Q, Aust on May 14, 2017 @ 12:59 pm
    Gents, im afraid to say that nothing is going to change any time soon. If you are a heterosexual, Anglo-Saxon, separated father with a fixed income you are now officially one the most down-trodden, harassed, worthless individuals that grace this earth. Even worse, if you dare to bug out and quit your career you now carry the label 'dead-beat dad'. Never mind that you did it to preserve your sanity or you possibly experienced a break-down or worse, no-one except you actually cares.
    The only thing that has maintained my sanity is tomalways think what is best for my kids. Not easy to do when you testicles are in a vice and the ex-wife is turning the screw, but worth it in the end.
    I'm back in court tomorrow fighting for parenting orders. The vile little serpent ensured that everything that I had built is gone via a ridiculously managed property settlement. Only the lawyers benefited out of the entire two year process ( STO LAW and Leisa Toomey scored $110,000), and the halfwit judge swept my application for parenting orders under the carpet.
    Tonight I spent another two hours doing a court imposed anger management course, completely mind-numbing, and next Wednesday I'll wander off to community service for the day...just 120 hours to go.
    The message here...don't wait for this shit to happen to you, spend a long time planning your escape and make sure that you have your shit in a pile. The odds are, your ex will behave like mine and thousands of others and the system will encourage them to taking a large thorny object and shove it deep into your arse....then you'll know your fucked.
    Where to move - By:Jag from SA, Australia on September 11, 2017 @ 10:45 pm
    Can any gents help me? I wanna know what countries don't have csa agreement with Australia?? Like if I move to America can csa still find me and take my money? What about Philippines? Thailand? England?
    any help appreciated
    Thx
    Child Support contacts - By:Don from nsw, australia on September 28, 2017 @ 8:47 pm
    Why stop at Kathryn Campbell, Below are some others all of which share the same phone number and postal address. Each is responsible for their faulty and biased actions.
    Deputy Secretary-payments reform Mr John Murphy
    Deputy Secretary-Service Delivery Operations Mr Barry Jackson
    Deputy Secretary-Program Design Dr Jill Charker
    Deputy Secretary-Enabling Services Mr Jonathan Hutson
    Deputy Secretary-Integrity and Information Ms Malisa Golightly

    Sorry but that last one just gave me the best laugh in a while.. Not enough of one and too much of the other.

    By:Gsm from Qld, Australia on September 28, 2017 @ 8:44 pm
    Kathryn Campbell CSC

    POSTAL ADDRESS
    PO Box 7788 Canberra Business Centre ACT 2610
    TELEPHONE
    (02) 6155 7788

    If you want to inform this feminist of the standout job shes doing destroying people's lives fire away
    Kathryn Campbell/Sunrise - By:Gsm from Qld, Australia on November 24, 2017 @ 2:12 am
    Kathryn Campbell, minister for feminism, advocater of suicide and domestic violence. Who would be interested in picketing the Sunrise window with signs until they got us in for a chat?
    340. Help re earning an income... - By:Laurie from Qld, Australia on September 28, 2017 @ 8:44 pm
    Hello. I've read somewhere on here someone's experience re protecting their wife's income from the CSA but I can't find it again. Can someone please help me?

    My husband pays child maintenance for a child his ex wife is collecting money for. What is the best way to protect my income & assets from the CSA? We've been advised to set up a Family Trust but I can't find info re whether or not we should set up a Company or each work under our own ABN with monies going into the Trust.

    Anyone help me please?

    Regards
    Laurie

    Not all women are evil - By:Laurie from Qld, Australia on February 17, 2017 @ 3:15 pm
    Hey fellahs. I've been reading your posts and it's true that there are women who have treated you worse than dogs. Truth is, not all women are like that so please don't tar us all with the same brush. Please don't turn this site into a hate fest even though I know you're in great pain. It was two men who treated me cruelly yet I know not all men are like them. There are women like Melanie who want to help men and women who are abused by the other & the system - she's not the "dog that bit you" so please, don't tar us all with the hatred that should only be directed at the specific women who hurt you. Such women are traitors to their own kind - they betray us good women as well.
    Only the first one counts - By:FuckedUpBigTime from NSW, Australia on May 14, 2017 @ 1:00 pm
    Did you realise only the first mother of your child/ren counts? Only the kid/s with her matter to csa?
    If you want to have any with your current wife you better be a fucking billionaire because csa will let them go without even when your ex remarries and has 4 more kids because the first one/s are the only one that counts
    It Affects everyone - By:Simone from WA, Australia on November 14, 2017 @ 1:11 pm

    Hi to your great dads who have not been given the chance to rebute any accusations that herself has offered. I am a Mother of a son who was issued with as vro which was unfounded and was unable to refute any of what was said in the Court because of the lies and innuendos by his ex. I know for a fact that his ex had defrauded the business of many thousands of dollars, she even told me so, and said she had a plan to get rid of her husband. since this time as a grandparent my husband and I have not been able to see our grandchildren for the past 11 months, and even though I used my son's phone, he was issued with a warrant, even though I had made a statement to the Police it was me who wrote the message to the grandies. It appears that as grandparents we are not allowed to see the grandies unless we (my husband and I), go to Court and spend several dollars and lawyers to have an Order for us to see the children. As pensioners and with living in a rural country town, distance is another factor, however it appears that we are on our own, and we will have to wait until the children are at an age they can choose to see us. It is terrible breach of respect and honesty towards grandparents, and I believe that if any of you have parents and grandparents, for goodness sake read all the convoluted Family Court brochures and do not under any circumstances try and contact any of the grandies if it is for your son, because the grandparents are the third party and the ex will contact the Police to take out a warrant for your son's arrest, this is the truth, we have had this happen twice. Recently in the media, there is too much advertised about how easy it is to take out a VRO, even to the extent from the Police point of view, a woman can get a VRO for the word "fear". Our son has been through the greatest hell one could imagine, but reading many of your stories, I believe you feel the same way. Don't you think it is time that us parents, grandparents started an "awareness campaign" to bring about justice for the MEN. REMEMBER IT TOOK TWO PEOPLE TO HAVE CHILDREN, why do these women demand and demand what they say is their rights, when they are the mental abusers and mental diminishes of the children, how they can manipulate the children to their own gains and lie and want all the assets and then claim huge assistance from the government and other agencies. I am incensed as to where the SYSTEM will go, but it is time for all to stand and voice their opinions. Remember how easy it is to say DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FOR WOMEN what about DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FOR MEN. Make a stand you guys, ask for help from the proper authorities, then if they don't help, go to the newspapers, radio and other media outlets, even FACEBOOK.
    I am concerned as a Mother and Grandparent that our children and grandchildren will become more and more hardened by society and therefore lose their ability to think clearly with respect and honesty.
    I rest my case.
    A loving Mother and Grandparent.
    Fuck this shit - By:Harry from NSW, AU on March 23, 2017 @ 12:48 am
    Everyone saying the courts are BIASED are correct. It ain't worth it!!!!!!
    IF I GOTTA GO BACK TO COURT ONE MORE TIME IMMA KILL MYSELF (no jks)
    Ranting & raving - By:Brick from Vic, Aus on October 16, 2017 @ 12:24 pm
    We can rant & rave about the injustice of the Family Court system, as much as we want - it achieves nothing positive and merely provides those Aholes in the (in)Justice System to point a finger and say "point proven, how can you allow someone who rants like that near a child .... & he's ranting about the effect on him, not on the children ..."

    No recognition is given to the fact the we are driven insane by the injustice of Australian Family Law, and that, where we start out as rational human beings, 3 years of court cases, where the judge / magistrate immediately accepts the wildest unsubstantiated accusations, based on the mere allegation of a woman (the supposed "victim"), will eventually drive anyone out of their mind.

    Screaming & shouting doesn't work & is counterproductive.

    Pointing out the injustice, is like farting in the wind

    For the past 4 years I have been used as a punching bag, where I'm taking constant blows, & can't raise my hands in defence, because that's what they're hoping for - to give substance to their accusations & they can say "I told you so"

    Well, my family has been destroyed, my children, whom I've always loved with all my heart, have been convinced that I'm a monster in disguise, and my love (of more than 10 yrs) was merely a cover or facade, while I was waiting to abuse them - she got this right with an "interim" IVO, which lasted for 3.5 years and was due to carry on for another 5, and where, on final Appeal, the County Court Judge said that there was never any reason for the Order in the first place.

    Having isolated me from my children, she then refused to allow them contact with any of "my" side of their family ..... for 4 years, while she pumped their minds full of poison!!!

    Well, my family is destroyed & I have been badly hurt & I want to strike out ..... at who, though, cause the (in)justice system is faceless, with each individual saying that they're just doing their job & refusing to accept responsibility for the damage

    Well, I'm on the point of assigning responsibility - ANYBODY who is part of the system!!!!

    I tried talking & reasoning, it doesn't help.

    An eye for an eye, is what I believe - this whole, so called, "civilised" process, is corrupt and designed to hurt men (and, by so doing, destroy the lives of children)
    Well done everyone!! (on the CSA banner) - By:SG66 from WA, Australia on April 20, 2017 @ 3:26 pm
    Well done everyone!!

    Great advice Neil thank's mate..

    Will please mate if you need a chat and to be able to vent some of the shit your going through call me
    0419926521 more than happy mate to help.
    Remember bud you are not alone.

    My F'n Demon just tried to have me arrested again for a text that my Mother (the kids Grandmother) send my x 4 kids on my phone..
    Keep up the fight Will, we are here for you mate.

    DJ great idea mate I'm onto them too, keep up the fight mate.

    Remember everyone if you need a chat about anything call me or text me and I will get back to you.

    It's only together that we will have a voice for change...

    Be strong everyone...

    Shane
    Your killing us and we know you know it! - By:SG66 from WA, Australia on April 20, 2017 @ 3:27 pm
    Hay everyone
    copy of the email to the minister for Human (Sacrifice) resources

    Your killing us and we know you know you are!!

    Minister Alan,

    You need to change your title to Minister for Human Suicides Mate!!

    This disgusting horrible system/industry that you have created through what you do and the Industry of PARENTAL ALIENATION through the so called "family court" is killing many many people.
    You look like quite a bright man however I'm sure that you have either been blinded or held back by the ones making the money from this atrocious system/industry to keep your mouth shut.
    If I can please ask you to grow some balls and help fix this one sided shit system or stand the hell down and let someone else fix it.
    HUMAN SERVICES --- BULL SHIT MATE
    GROW UP AND REALLY TRY TO HELP WILL YOU!!
    OR OPEN THE FUNERAL PARLOR AND MAKE MORE MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR CHILDREN AND THE ALIENATED PARENT..
    Your CSA should stand for Child Separation and Abuse ( or Alienation of parents) not Child support that's F'n just bullshit.!!!!

    So resign or f'n help mate.

    Shane
    Perth WA

    Fuck'm send one too will ya!!
    Hay Mates -- Keep up the fight - By:SG 66 from Wa, Australia on March 20, 2017 @ 1:42 am
    Hay Michael
    Stay strong mate.
    Do what you can for you!! Mate your kids will find out the truth and come back from the dark side.
    We have all seen this so many times they always come back to the right side.
    Just give them all the love you can when you do see them and they know mate who is the victim in what happened to you, me and all the other poor buggers out there, they know.
    Sometimes it takes a bit of reprogramming but they do know the truth deep down mate, deep down they do.
    They feel your love and your protection and they do know you will always be there for them.
    We still have to nurcher our little ones into functioning loving humans.
    You need to make and keep them close as you can when you see them to fend off the poison but you can with your love mate.
    Your kids love you you know that.
    This fuck'n horrible system/industry is designed or has been to make you a Monster.
    You know who you are!!
    It's time to make a stand.
    I've started
    I've had calls back from the CSA and are so called human resources social worker department asking after my email I sent to them if I was suicidal and They seem to be disappointed because I wasn't.
    Stand up mate turn that Mad As Hell Anger to a positive for the poor baste reds that are fighting the Demond's now and in the future.
    Fuck'm stand up.
    Remember the CSA stands for Child Seperation and Abuse
    They have Absolutly no idea and don't care about what they do to anyone.(kids included.
    The family abuse court is also under the system/ management.
    As we all know.
    Look out I'm coming !! Who's with me??

    Shane
    0419926521
    Perth
    Call me for a chat mates if you need a boost.
    Stay Strong, Be mad as hell!!
    2017 - By:Michael from NSW, AUSTRALIA on March 23, 2017 @ 12:48 am
    Next year I am giving up fighting and going to make a life for when my kids are older.
    If I keep fighting I will have nothing and I will be nothing but depressed and broke. My kids are 8, and 5. I've been fighting for 3.5 years, and getting nowhere. I currently have no access. In a few years, my eldest might want to live with me tho and can decide for himself, without my ex's influence.
    Ive come to the conclusion that there is no sense in fighting, and wasting my money. I will use it to make a life for me, and my kids.
    330. Fight hard -- Stay strong - By:SG66 from WA, Australia on January 9, 2017 @ 10:02 am
    Steve mate were we married to the same Demon??
    I got the VRO thing couldn't see my 4 kids at Christmas.,
    She never worked a day but was more than happy to give give her father a heap of it and buy him a car.
    I got the VRO on our 16th wedding anniversary but just after she transferred all the money from the joint account into an account in her own name.

    My youngest is only 4 and I know I have a huge fight still to come with this deceitful Demon.

    We all know the system/industry is not there to help the Dad's.
    All the best to everyone for 2017

    Be strong and fight on Hard

    Shane

    Perth
    Untouchable - By:Steve from WA, Australia on March 20, 2017 @ 1:45 am
    So the usual expected drama. Went to pick up the kids at the agreed time on xmas eve. Was told by the mum to go away and come back in a few hours. Then was expected to bring them back earlier on xmas day. All along with some ridiculous heated discussion from the ex. This drama is a way of life for her. 5 more years of this, my kids are all 18 then her power dissapears. Imagine the power she must feel. It has been 5 years since our split, since she cheated, planned the whole seperation well in advance, how she lied to everyone, lied to police, lied in court to take out a VRO. Imagine feeling like you could get away with anything. Decide when the kids see their dad or not. Cancel visits (yes dads get visits whilst mums get to still live with their kids). It must have been like winning lotto. Not working hardly a day in her life. Wonder around with a Gloria Jeans cup in her hand while I am am working hard for the family. Instead of working herself, has too much time to think insecure thoughts etc. Plan a seperation, cheat, get the 6 bed house, contents, car, money, kids, dog. Husband out with nothing, followed by a VRO. Then comes the playing god when he can see the kids. The abuse by the boyfriends of her from day 1 of you leaving. Being punched in the head in front of your kids. But wait can a male get a VRO when actual not imagined events have happened. NO. Violence in front of kids, death threats, threats to visit my home yet I do not get a VRO out on her. Oh my god the power she must feel. She can do no wrong. She do anything and get away with it. I will end up leaving Australia purely because of this being ok with our government departments. When my kids are 18 the powere dissapears from that woman. SHe will be left wondering what to do now she still has no reasonable job, she did not actually contribute to her kids financially, she effectively abused her children by controlling contact with their dad. This story and ones like it play out day after day after day to endless numbers of unsuspecting good dads. You have no idea what is going to hit you. People that plan this shit are pure evil. Karma will come for them.
    Stay STRONG everyone!! - By:SG66 from WA, Australia on January 17, 2017 @ 10:07 pm
    I know it's a really shit time of year.(Call or text me if you need a chat or a venting session over Christmas, my number is below, happy to chat.)
    I'm not able to see my 4 young kids at Christmas but we will have our own Christmas when I see them.(under supervision because of the vexatious X)
    Stand up and change your pain to a positive!!
    Be mad as fuck'n hell, I am however I'm using my pain and grief to ruffle the feathers of the establishment (the powers that be)
    So far after my emails to the minister (and other politicians, Pauline Hanson's is below) for so called human services I've had a councilor call and someone from the CSA.
    Now I'm told I'm getting a call from the Attorney Generals office to discuss my concerns.
    All I did was spell out the truth to them and what they are doing to us as fathers and parents and the child abuse that they are creating and forcing onto our innocent children.
    Copy here of what I sent

    Your killing us faster than the road toll!!!

    Hi Pauline

    Can’t believe the family court system and the court system in general and how a woman (wife) can steal all your money and cover it up with a VRO and then play the system with lies and manipulation.

    It’s a long story but to say my 4 young kids are pawns and weapons used to try to drive me to suicide I’m sure is her hope to cover up what she did.

    The lawyers say there is nothing you can do as she got the VRO first. That ruined my business and my life (as I working from a home office).

    Just found out in WA you can get a VRO now if you have a fear of someone. Don’t need proof.

    I managed to get my kids off the VRO but she is still on it and now she has made application to the family court of a notice of child abuse or family violence. Never was any violence.

    I cannot believe the lies and the twisted half truths that she can say and get away with it.

    What can someone do to help me and all the other poor men that are killing themselves because of this system.

    There are some sites like this but it’s mainly venting about the system .

    http://www.f4joz.com/

    Please help us Pauline

    Shane from Perth

    0419 926 521

    In the name of the father? - By:Taylor J. from Nsw, Australia on October 16, 2017 @ 12:26 pm
    I just been told that my child will never get my surname and prolly never live with me not even shared care arangement. What happened to in the name of the father? Every lawyer say the same thing wich is if I want my only child to have my surname it basically ain't gunna happen unless the mother agrees and they r sure she ain't ever gunna agree.
    Why do fathers always gotta pay for children we get refused access to and no say in the life or name of? Huh? Some1 answer me that cos I don't fucking understand it
    Fuck it all - By:Ryan from Qld, Australia on November 24, 2017 @ 2:17 am
    Fuck it all
    Fuck them all
    Fuck CSA
    Fuck the courts
    Fuck my ex
    Fuck the judge
    Fuck the lawyers
    Fuck Having a life
    Fuck my mental health
    Fuck it all
    That's it. I'm done. - By:Distraught father from Nsw , Aust. on March 20, 2017 @ 1:47 am
    It's that time of year again when the sharks (CSA and ex wives) hunt us fathers down for cash, we get reminded that we don't matter, we get reminded that next year won't be any better and we'll prolly never own a house because the sharks and lawyers and courts don't care about us. Everyone is just after our cash.
    Can't get nowhere in life - By:Patrick from WA, Australia on March 20, 2017 @ 1:48 am
    Thanks to CSA I can't get nowhere in life. Job doesn't pay good enugh to survive on and pay child support but nobody gives a fuck. Can't do further study to get a better job because that would mean earning less temporarly and CSA ain't having any of that shit. Rent and living cost stays the same but money would be less but that don't matter to these fuckers.
    Shoulda never paid these fuckers to start with. I'm locked in for eternity and can't do fucking shit to better my life. Fuckers.
    Fuck'm, the thieving retarded bastards. - By:SG from WA, Australia on March 20, 2017 @ 1:49 am
    TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF!!

    What all the people in this twisted disgusting system need to remember is its an "industry".And no one gives a fuck if you don't get to see your kids and you starve to death.
    The system still makes the money.

    We have all been played like suckers for ever with this corrupt shit.It's time to wake up people, there is no God, it's all bllshit, yes that's right, all of it is bullshit and no one gives a shit..
    Perhaps it's time for a revolt
    How many gov jobs are created here for people that should be in full time care?? Their a bunch of under educated
    FUCK WHITS!!
    We would all agree I'm sure that they would be unemployable in the real world, if you have any doubt about that just go to a Centerlink and have a look at the staff thats what your dealing with at the C__t's S__t's and Arsholes!!!
    D,C"s all round for sure, it looks like an adult day care center for the retarded.
    I've been screwed from the pointy end of the pineapple and she is now going to go for spousal maintenance even though I'm not working. She can make up any crapp she wants and they believe her. She had a VRO taken out to remove me from the home/home office destroyed the bus we had and forced me into taking a small % of our assets.
    Who ever gets the VRO first wins!!
    That what the Fuck'n useless lawyers say anyway.
    Tell them to AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    SG Perth
    ONE NATION"S TO SCRAP CSA ALTOGETHER" - By:lenny from N.T., Australia on March 20, 2017 @ 1:50 am
    G'day you mob out there, i just read "One Nations" Proposed child support Policies, i would recommend you take the time to read them, i don't trust anyone anymore myself after years of abuse a lot at the hands of "CSA!" but i was slightly encouraged by what i read ... if what they are proposing comes to fruition then things will be a lot better, we live in hope, have a read"!
    Becuase we are male - By:DM from WA, Australia on March 20, 2017 @ 1:50 am
    The reason this will never change is because we are male.
    It is an unfortunate fact. I am not a woman hater or sexist, I love women. The fact is though men will always be the expendable people in society, the ones never taken seriously if they are victims of domestic violence. No one ever believes a man. A woman accuses a man and there will be police, VRO's handed out no problem. I applied for a VRO after being puched in the head in fornt of my kids, not fighting back, not saying anthing back. No VRO granted. SOme years ago at seperation, the ex makes up some story, bang VRO on me. I wouldn't hurt a fly, never hurt anyone in my life. In fact she was the only violent one in our marriage.
    Men of Australia, we are screwed.You will be forced to see your kids very little at the immense power put in the hands of your ex. You will be broke by doing the right thing and paying child support. You will watch her think she is winning by going on holidays, barely working, keeping you poor whilst contributing little herself to the kids upbringing.
    But ask yourself, who would you rather be. The stand up citizen with morals, work ethic, standards or the sneaky cheating shallow being.
    Smile because you are doing the right things that count.
    Karma is a real thing and it started a while ago now for me and it keeps getting better for the things that really count. Dad and his kids.
    320. Fight for what is right! - By:Paul Siegman from Victoria , Australia on October 16, 2017 @ 12:26 pm
    Why can't everyone help fix this! I am loosing grip of my home, they are taking so much!
    Everyone knows and agrees the whole system requires a total update.
    So who is going to disagree with 80% of Australia? It is wrong! It must be made right, True and Just! Get together Australia!!!
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