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    Late fee charges legal?? - By:Chris from Tasmania, Australia on November 12, 2014 @ 7:32 am
    Hi all,
    New poster here, for years I have had support dedicated from my pay, and yet I am continuously hit with a monthly late payment fee of approx. $240 which makes my payment actually go backwards.
    With the bank being taken to task lately, does anyone think that it may be worthwhile pursuing a similar law suit as the banks are facing - just posing the question????
    Binding Agreement - By:ray from NSW, Australia on October 11, 2014 @ 10:28 pm
    My situation has been going on prior to 1991 and here I am over 23 years later and I am still fighting CSA. My ex sent an agreement through her solicitor to my solicitor all those years ago with an agreement she put forward to me to look at, I signed it as it was reasonable and my solicitor thought so too.
    Now after all these years I have a CSA debt of over 75K plus they have stopped me now travelling overseas, they harass me non stop.
    CSA do not even follow their own rules as there is a page on their own web site that states What is a binding agreement. Things went sour with my ex many years ago after we separated and when she told CSA that we didn't have an agreement ( Even though I produced all the proof ) CSA said they knew she was lying because I gave them the copy of the document along with receipts signed by my ex they couldn't do anything unless she told them to stop chasing me, even though I also produced a copy of their own letter dated 1993 stating that both parties were happy with the agreement. The system is wrong and Men definitely get discriminated against .I kept giving CSA the information of where my ex was working getting paid cash in hand , they never once followed it up even though my ex was also on the pension, the point that CSA will not see is that if they had done their job and followed up the information my ex would have been charged with fraud ( Claiming the pension whilst working ) and because she was working she was not entitled to child support which meant that I would not have this massive debt hanging over my head still. I have just recently started a new family and this is causing me and my new family so much stress and financial problems.
    Robert Kenedy visit - By:David Farmer from Hertfordshire, United Kingdom on February 1, 2019 @ 3:24 pm
    I would like to have posted this on the NEWS page but your site will not allow me to log in; Calling Australia & New Zealand ((URGENT)) (Daveyone)
    I have just booked my flights and will be in Auckland from Sept 18-19, in Wellington Sept 20-21, Dunedin Sept 22-23, Queenstown Sept 24-25, Sydney Sept 26-27 and Oct 1, and Wollongong Sept 29-30th.
    230. Support this Guy, he is doing a great jo - By:David Farmer from Hertfordshire, United Kingdom on February 1, 2019 @ 3:24 pm
    Robert Kenedy
    21 hourglass cycles
    Doing Interviews and Research in Australia and New Zealand on shared parenting and related areas
    Good Morning From Canada,
    I am doing research on fathers, shared parenting, and related areas. I have been working on this area for about 25 years, mainly in Canada. I am now looking at the Global Shared Parenting movement and would like to do interviews with those in Australia and New Zealand. Please let me know if there are those you are in contact with who are interested in being interviewed.
    If you are interested in being part of the book and sharing your views on the Family Law system, the Fathers’ Rights/Parenting Movement, and
    related issue, that would be very helpful. I am interested in interviewing fathers, mothers, grandmothers, grandfathers, and others
    who have been impacted by the Family Law System. All interviews will be confidential and those being interviewed will remain anonymous in
    any written material.
    More specifically, I am interviewing parents, grandparents, and others, as well as those who are concerned about men's health. I am particularly concerned about about stress experienced as a result of separation and divorce as well as issues related to suicide ideation and suicide.
    I have published the following works in the area:
    Kenedy, R. (2004). Fathers For Justice: The Rise of a New Social Movement in Canada as a Case Study of Collective Identity. Ann Arbor: Caravan Books.
    Kenedy, R. (2006). Researching the intersection between collective identity and conceptions of post-separation and divorced fatherhood: Fathers for justice, fathers for just us, or fathers are us? Qualitative Sociology Review, 2 (2), 75-97.
    Kenedy, R. (2011). Moral panic: Male studies and the spectrum of denial. New Male Studies: An International Journal, 1 (1), 52-60.
    Kenedy, R. (2014). “Do Fathers Matter? Post-Divorced Transitions Regarding Mental Health and Suicide Ideation Among Fathers in a Canadian Context”. In R. Kenedy, (Ed.) Senator Cools’ Roundtable and Symposium on Family Dynamics Proceedings Senate of Canada. Published by the Senate of Canada.
    I have just booked my flights and will be in Auckland from Sept 18-19, in Wellington Sept 20-21, Dunedin Sept 22-23, Queenstown Sept 24-25, Sydney Sept 26-27 and Oct 1, and Wollongong Sept 29-30th.
    If you are interested in being interviewed please let me know as soon as possible, as I will be leaving Wednesday Sept 10th and will have limited and unpredictable access to e-mail.
    All the best,
    Robert A. Kenedy, PhD
    Associate Professor
    Department of Sociology
    124 Winters College
    York University
    4700 Keele Street
    Toronto, Ontario M3J 1P3
    416 736-2100 ext. 77458
    FAX 416 736-5715
    Fight against distorted view - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on August 17, 2014 @ 12:02 pm
    I would like to highlight a few submissions from individuals and organisations that have put forward some of the man's concerns. I wish more submissions like these. The inquiry status is still at Accepting Submissions, which means you can still put yours in.

    Senate Inquiry: Domestic violence in Australia

    Individual submissions
    Dr. Elizabeth Celi

    Organisational submissions
    Lone Fathers Association (Australia)
    Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting)
    One in Three Campaign

    Obviously, there are other good submissions to read. However, there are some alarming submissions that continue to misrepresent the fact, and continue to paint a distorted picture to cover up abusive women to cause more sufferings to fathers/men and their children.
    Fight against distorted view - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on July 20, 2014 @ 11:01 am
    James, thanks for your view. We're basically sucked into an anti male judiciary system which have been evolved over time without much notice by men until damages are badly done to them and their children. All possibly because men seem reluctant to take action as summed up very well by BigJoe from Victoria - What are Men? (scroll down to read it in this forum). But I am not so sure if no action will actually bring out good result, I think the reality tells us otherwise. The point is not turning to the government, but to turn men into a big voice that government cannot ignore anymore. We first let the government have a distorted view on male as perpetrator, then it bases on this distorted view to build other policies, little by little, we are loosing ground. Now, it's time to stand up and fight. Fighting back in big or small way, collectively will make a huge difference. May I share with you and others a quote from Thomas Jefferson?

    "The germ of destruction is in the power of the Judiciary, an irresponsible body - working like gravity by night and day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless steps like a thief over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall render powerless the checks of one branch over the other and will become venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."
    DV - By:James R from Vic, Australia on July 20, 2014 @ 4:57 am
    Domestic violence that occurs against men, women or children is unacceptable, no one argues with that. However, turning to governments and corporations for more policies giving greater control powers to the courts, police, human services and other authorities is only a recipe for more abuse, victims and theft. The Domestic Violence Industry, like the legal industry is just another industry to promote and support the carnage of broken families. The hidden agendas behind these sort of inquiries is anyone guess, but be sure it won't be in the best interests of the all family members and the "family unit". It will be a cash grab, more stealing of assets, and land, especially in the case of our "originals" [our dark skinned ancestors commonly referred to as aborigines, more family destruction and so on. When people give their power away to governments, they trade their rights for privileges and duties. A BIG No No my comrades. The answer and secret lay simply in the strength of families sticking together for safety and working through such marriage or relationship issues as they arise. What's more people are always free to leave the relationship and settle up their financials, just go and ask those who have been through the family court over the past four decades. Every inquiry that comes about almost inevitably makes life more complex for the common people or one group or another. The inquiry back in 2004-06 that was suppose to make custody and child support fairer for fathers, yet it ended up giving the CSA greater powers including taking money directly out of bank accts, screw certain non-custodial parents while letting other more cunning self serving parents off. Many genuine families and individuals were left struggling as a result.
    Many organisations also see inquiries as an opportunity to further their anti-family, marxist and financial agendas. Have govts provide resources and funding to all recipients who need help and support, but as far as other policies, people need to have govts keep their dirty snouts out off the trough.
    "The Australian government has launched a $100 million Second Action Plan to stop domestic violence and violence against women and their children." [From DV article link in comment below], one can only conjure what form of anti male bashing and deprivation is on the way for males and fathers. However, as Abbott is historically a woman abuser and anti-feminist, I doubt the money will reach any real victims, but more or less have the money siphoned through a few mates companies for some easy returns, possibly as compensation for a few favours. Isn't this how it works in politics and big business when power brokers with poor integrity and values exert their racial tendencies?
    Fight against distorted view - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on July 19, 2014 @ 12:24 pm
    There is a parliament inquiry on 'Domestic Violence in Australia" by the Senate Finance and Public Administration Committees, due by 31 July 2014. There is no doubt that the government has a very distorted view against male citizens. You are more than welcome to put your submission in for your views to fight against this distorted view as there are so many fabricated/invented violence falsely accused men causing them and their children to suffer. Please see details below.


    On 26 June 2014, the following matter was referred to the Finance and Public Administration References Committee for inquiry and report by the 27 October 2014:

    a. the prevalence and impact of domestic violence in Australia as it affects all Australians and, in particular, as it affects:

    - women living with a disability, and
    - women from Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander backgrounds;

    b. the factors contributing to the present levels of domestic violence;

    c. the adequacy of policy and community responses to domestic violence;

    d. the effects of policy decisions regarding housing, legal services, and women‘s economic independence on the ability of women to escape domestic violence;

    e. how the Federal Government can best support, contribute to and drive the social, cultural and behavioural shifts required to eliminate violence against women and their children; and

    f. any other related matters.

    Submissions closing date is 31 July 2014. The reporting date is 27 October 2014.

    The committee will not be considering or examining any material that relates solely to personal cases or grievances. The committee process is not a forum to resolve these issues but to explore the adequacy of policy responses and the effects of policy settings regarding housing, legal services and women’s economic independence on their ability to escape violence.

    Committee Secretariat contact:

    Senate Finance and Public Administration Committees
    PO Box 6100
    Parliament House
    Canberra ACT 2600

    Phone: +61 2 6277 3439
    Fax: +61 2 6277 5809
    Bad governing - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on July 19, 2014 @ 11:54 am
    Tony Abbott is burning huge amount of public money away to please antisocial feminist.


    It really make me feel sick when a female perpetrator who committed serious violence against the child and her husband including beaten the child, burn the husband with boiling water, punching his head, lied to police, court then faked her self as a victim. Then, police, DVCS, CPS and magistrate all came together to waste taxpayers' money to protect such an abusive perpetrator, and to prosecute the real male victim. Tony Abbott, the injustice system has driven many Australian men to poverty, death, wrong convictions, it is a national crime to these poor fathers who are deprived their rights with their children, their assets even they lives. It must be stopped immediately, then followed with apologies and compensations.
    Banks turning ugly - By:Brian P from Vic, Australia on February 21, 2016 @ 7:50 am
    A bright switched on young person in their early twenties with 5yrs of customer service was refused a position as a bank teller with probably the biggest and most common bank in Australia. The reason was she did not have a enough selling experience.

    Well there you go everyone, if that doesn't sum up what banks are all about these days, no customer service but just wanting to sell to you.

    Of course it's no surprise to me, as all I receive when visiting a bank, which I try to avoid, is a sales spiel before I change the topic onto something more appropriate. Once i was influenced to seeing another bank staff member about some bank product before waking up and saying no thanks and walking away.

    Yes the face of banking has been changing for some time and unfortunately in my opinion, the new face is looking ugly.

    Submission to Child Support Inquiry has - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on June 16, 2014 @ 4:24 am
    For immediate release - 13 June 2014
    Send submissions to Child Support Inquiry
    THE SUBMISSION deadline for a Federal Parliamentary inquiry into the Child Support Program is likely to be extended to enable more people to respond on this sensitive issue, according to Committee Chair George Christensen.

    Mr Christensen said that although the cut-off date was June 13, it was standard practice for parliamentary committees to continue to receive submissions.

    “While that is the case, I have asked for the official deadline for submissions to be extended by three weeks,” Mr Christensen said.
    “This is an extremely important issue and one that affects so many families, so we do want to ensure we are hearing from as many people and organisations as possible.
    “The key point is, if you are working on a submission, please continue to do so and send it in.”

    The inquiry into the Child Support Program was launched on April 30 and public hearings will be held in various centres throughout from June 19 through to early August.
    Though submissions are being received, the greatest volume of communication on the program will be received via the online anonymous questionnaire.
    The questionnaire can be completed on this page: https://www.research.net/s/CSPquestionnaire

    Further information about the inquiry, including the first submissions to be published, and the public hearing schedule, is on the inquiry website: www.aph.gov.au/childsupport.

    For media comment – please contact Lynnis Bonanno in the Chair’s office on (07) 4944 0662 or
    0408 773 207.
    For inquiry information – please contact the Secretariat:
    Childsupport.reps@aph.gov.au | (02) 6277 2223 | www.aph.gov.au/childsupport

    Lynnis Bonanno


    Electorate Officer/Media
    On behalf of
    George Christensen
    Federal Member for Dawson
    2/21 Milton St,
    PO Box 1697
    MACKAY. Q 4740

    PH: 07 4944 0662 or 1300 301 979
    Submission to Child Support Inquiry has - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on June 13, 2014 @ 6:44 am
    For immediate release - 13 June 2014
    Send submissions to Child Support Inquiry
    THE SUBMISSION deadline for a Federal Parliamentary inquiry into the Child Support Program is likely to be extended to enable more people to respond on this sensitive issue, according to Committee Chair George Christensen.

    Mr Christensen said that although the cut-off date was June 13, it was standard practice for parliamentary committees to continue to receive submissions.

    “While that is the case, I have asked for the official deadline for submissions to be extended by three weeks,” Mr Christensen said.
    “This is an extremely important issue and one that affects so many families, so we do want to ensure we are hearing from as many people and organisations as possible.
    “The key point is, if you are working on a submission, please continue to do so and send it in.”

    The inquiry into the Child Support Program was launched on April 30 and public hearings will be held in various centres throughout from June 19 through to early August.
    Though submissions are being received, the greatest volume of communication on the program will be received via the online anonymous questionnaire.
    The questionnaire can be completed on this page: https://www.research.net/s/CSPquestionnaire

    Further information about the inquiry, including the first submissions to be published, and the public hearing schedule, is on the inquiry website: www.aph.gov.au/childsupport.

    For media comment – please contact Lynnis Bonanno in the Chair’s office on (07) 4944 0662 or
    0408 773 207.
    For inquiry information – please contact the Secretariat:
    Childsupport.reps@aph.gov.au | (02) 6277 2223 | www.aph.gov.au/childsupport

    Lynnis Bonanno


    Electorate Officer/Media
    On behalf of
    George Christensen
    Federal Member for Dawson
    2/21 Milton St,
    PO Box 1697
    MACKAY. Q 4740

    PH: 07 4944 0662 or 1300 301 979
    CSA Inquiry and submission - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on June 12, 2014 @ 5:09 am
    I came across this website yesterday, good stuff. Not sure if everyone is aware of the following,

    1. Child Support anonymous questionnaire. https://www.research.net/s/CSPquestionnaire

    2. Submission to the Child Support Inquiry due by tomorrow (Friday) 13 June 2013, send your submission by the following link,


    Or you can just send your submission to:

    Committee Secretary,
    House of Representatives Standing Committee on Social Policy and Legal Affairs,
    PO Box 6021,
    Parliament House,
    Canberra ACT 2600.
    Phone: (02) 6277 2223.
    Fax: (02) 6277 4427.
    Email address:: childsupport.reps@aph.gov.au

    The current list of submissions (submission 3, 7 and 8 are worth to read) published to-date can found at:


    3. Witness

    To be considered as a witness at the Public Inquiry, please following this link:


    The public hearing details can be found at:

    220. By:Andrew Prestwood from S.A, Au on May 31, 2014 @ 12:07 pm
    I see how the court in some cases takes precautions when kids are involved. I do not believe one parent should be cast aside at any cost.The system in place is biased, not in the best interests of the children at all and the woman know it's for them not the man.I have seen, witnessed and had allegations made that are false yet, the family report writer takes them as gospel writing a report that is biased and totally incorrect.Children need both parents and it's shown that by not having that, they are harmed. The court is guilty of abuse with no consequence.The lawyers, magistrates, court staff have one thing in mind that is their job and money. That comes first and foremost. The current system hurts not heals and let's never forget how many it assists in killing by suicide. The system is foul and we know that, as do they.
    A New Australia - By:Moses from Qld, Australia on May 31, 2014 @ 9:24 am
    Can our inefficient, corrupt and deaf political, governmental and legal systems/businesses/corporations be reformed or are they no longer a viable option in their current form that serves the Australian people, only begging to be dismantled from inside and out?

    Is the status quo ok or can we do better as a people and nation?

    Where are our industries, manufacturing, production and service bases, jobs and incentive schemes?
    Hmmm...good question and sorry to say they are dwindling every day causing Australia to be more reliant on the rest of the world for our survival.

    So if we pull our head out of the sand and world of denial, can we all agree we are advancing toward greater freedoms and prosperity for all or are we simply heading down the slippery slope of conformity, tyranny and dictatorship??
    where the caring dads - By:shane from QLD, australia on May 12, 2014 @ 9:05 am
    What the fuck is going on,where ru,I'm living in the street and I'm still fighting for my beautiful children,wot the fucks wrong with u,
    Help and Drugs - By:Bewitched from Vic, Austrlalia on August 2, 2016 @ 6:18 pm
    Speaking of counselling and getting help and on this glorious Mother's Day, a young girl whose been staying with us temporarily, away from an abusive and controlling mother over many years, has obviously a few issues(self esteem, parental rejection, absent father etc), was recently prescribed antidepressants after visiting a doctor. Sounds acceptable and the norm in this day and age doesn't it in our sick world, but no other support was talked about just medication for at least 6mths she was told, which as we all know will turn into 10+yrs as it usually does through dependency and the like. Another great racket for our medical industry and big pharma. At barely 18 it's not really a great start when she should be getting out and about, working, schooling, networking and making new friends and enjoying life. Whilst i'm personally against all that drug shit , having helped numerous people off them back into a better life, somehow I'm not so sure I can help this young girl yet because deep down they have to want to get better which can take countless years of hard work. This is yet another sad example of when mum and dad break up, families and the kids are often never the same again. So to all those mums, dads and people who contribute to the demise of families, happy f&#*king mother's day!!
    Get a good woman - By:Stanley from Qld, Australia on May 10, 2014 @ 11:08 am
    ur right sahane,,,hear u buddy!! nobody really cares bout you& fam breakups..learned it long time ago. take care urself,,get a good women & hang n there alright??
    WARNING - By:shane from QLD, australia on May 10, 2014 @ 8:39 am
    Do men even read this shit,no one gives a shit,WHY,who knows but that's the way it is.No one gives a shit about u so stop comin on here seeking counselling or sympathy cos no one gives a shit,isn't that right f4j
    step familys - By:Leon Wilz from Glenelg SA, Australia on April 21, 2014 @ 9:17 am
    Have been divorced & all that stuff. After that in r'shp with mother of 3 older kids for bout 5 and bit yrs. I ended it suddenly as no consideration to me, was all about her,kids & work. Swore not to get in another r'ship with woman & older kids, yet I did for now over 1yr. Damn!! Have no real connection to kids & just wondering whether I am right for this r'ship or have made mistake. Should I get a woman without kids who just wants me for who I am. Any advice out there would be great.
    No support 4 men - By:alan from vic, australa on April 14, 2014 @ 10:46 pm
    bike ride sounds good col yet dont hav a bike. went into the office the other day (centrelink) for a routine visit of good for nothing help and was given a coupl photocopys with services. I thought here we go, maybe somethin useful. Out of 13 categoris there were no services for men unless you regard CSA as a service listed under emergency telephone numbers useful.
    Organising - Start with a weekly group r - By:Col from wa, australia on April 12, 2014 @ 6:49 am
    Interesting reading regarding the lack of blokes ability to organise themselves.

    I'll throw it out there what about building up support through a weekly F4J bike ride in each state.

    WA it would be the foreshore on the Swan River to do a bridges ride 10K. Ideally meet on the foreshore in front of the family court or on the hill at parliament house wearing a bit of F4J paraphernalia on a Sunday morning

    Hopefully building up numbers over the months.

    I'm sure other capital cities would have ideal rides also.

    Men like to keep fit and ride bikes

    What say
    Where are wo/men going?? - By:Bewitched from Vic, Australia on April 11, 2014 @ 10:41 am
    Nice BJ. As young men get smarter and more reluctant to get embroiled in relationships and families, due to anti male FC/CSA agendas, what of the poor women who get left on the shelf because of such abhorrent govt/corp policies? What will women now do, those who wanted the chance to be loyal wives, get a home and be good mums? Will they be looking toward a Sperm Bank? Of course, it all makes sense. Those filthy banksters wanted families to break apart just so they could come in with their crumby Sperm Bank operation for the women. So fatherless homes will presumably become a norm. So fathers in families will become non-existent for awhile I think until women wake-up too and see that men with all their good points, as well as faults, are still a better proposition for a family of well rounded children.
    210. What are Men? - By:BigJoe from Victoria, Australia on April 11, 2014 @ 1:09 am
    Great words and enthusiasm Shane to get the troops moving, you sound like an honourable man. You can fight with me anytime.

    However, although I might be an old fart and worn out, what I have gleaned over many years about the behaviour of Australian men in general, may explain the lack of enthusiasm to get up off their arse and fight. There being a few male exceptions of course, including those on this site.

    a) Man is designed to only work for a short time and when he has to. Man can normally not endure hard times for any length of time.

    b) Man is essentially hedonistic and non-sacrificial and yes and what's in it for him. Yes man often thinks with his dick as we all know. To work tirelessly without receiving some form of gratitude or satisfaction is not a man's quiescent state.

    c) Man is unable to network with other men for the good of other men nor children. Their focus is narrow and concentrated.

    d) Man will only get out of their comfort zone either when they choose to or are absolutely forced to survive.

    e) Man has difficulty being open with his emotions and power unless under special circumstances, like at a sporting match where it's socially acceptable to shed a tear when his team loses or wins.

    f) Some men can use their emotion to fight for their property and family, as it is an attack on his person and survival. But again, this is only for a short period of time as they don't have the mental or emotional stamina, usually not aware of their god given rights and power.

    g) Man is often a fix it person and quick decision maker, hence if he can't remedy a situation he moves on. i.e. If something is too hard, like battling the system, he will work out a way to get round or over the obstacle.

    h) Man often works on acceptable losses, they won't flog a dead horse.

    i) Man won't go to jail for a principle.

    j) Man has been feminised and sold his soul for the dollar, toys and fun.

    k) Man is generally a loner and quiet type who don't need others to survive.

    l) Man's ego is often far bigger than his belly. He is often loathed to become a fool and depart from political correctness. Society has robbed him of his true manly values and left him that of coward.

    m) Man's need for control is strong, but not always strong enough when challenged.

    n) When men feel like a failure, their morale is low and don't advance, depression and suicide can often be imminent.

    o) Men often prefer peace to confrontation.

    p) Men are more protectors, providers and defenders more than aggressors.

    q) Man without true purpose is both lost and sunk.

    r) Men have lost themselves and fail to remember who they really are.

    Whilst your viewpoint may differ, these are but a few from my standpoint.
    If men could only realise and resume their true brotherhood the world might be a far better place for all.

    So in conclusion, man will mostly only fight a battle when he is personally affected. His fight will then usually be by himself as man alone due to his proud nature, limited knowledge and resources. He may join the collective battle some time later after he awakens to an underworld that is never revealed in the mainstream, but then how long he wishes to endure such resistance, hardship and sacrifice against such great forces, can only be attributed to what type of value the individual man wishes to place upon his life and that upon his brothers and sisters.
    100,000 men - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 10, 2014 @ 2:08 am
    PETITION-We the people demand a Royal Commission into corruption in the Family Court of Australia,Royal Commission into Child Safety,investigation into why the Geneva Convention and UN CHARTER for the protection of children is not being implemented or followed by the Family Courts,sexual discrimination against men,why purjory is not a gaolable offence if proven,ROYAL COMMISSION into legal child abuse in Family Courts,where are u australia
    100,000 men - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 10, 2014 @ 12:13 am
    My name is shane wells,I am 42 years old and the family court has now put me into the gutter,I'll be living on the street from the 22/4 so ID may as well do something useful,I'm very very serious,enough talk,who will back me,I'm so serious here's my phone number,0497169295,come on australia I'm committed
    100,000 men - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 9, 2014 @ 11:58 pm
    If fathers are serious about our childrens plight and I can get backing from dads from around oz then I will go on TV and I will walk from townsville to canberra getting petitions signed all the way to deliver to the child abusers in canberra,are fathers willing to back me and put it out there,I would leave on 22/4/14 outside townsville family court,so who's with me,let's put on a show,I'll do the work
    WARNING - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 9, 2014 @ 11:25 pm
    In 2006 the law was changed to be fairer to fathers,scoff scoff,during my trial the judge said 50/50 doesn't work so its no wonder no father gets it unless negotiated between both parties,the statistics show less than 10 percent are granted shared care and less than 3 percent of child abuse casrs are taken seriously even with proof,the prote tion of our kids is not the courts priority,giving them back to mum is regardless of risk of harm and in the process they will lay false,demeaning and corrupt allegations against you and put it in black; and white so your reputations fucked
    100,000 men - By:Chris from NSW, Australia on April 9, 2014 @ 10:32 pm
    Great forum guys. Thought I would pop up and share my bit on my day off, well sicky actually. Cough..cough...cough
    Numbers are the secret no doubt about it Shane. I'm with you. Why should good fathers keep getting th cue stuck up their ass? But maybe we are a minority. How many men are suffering, does F4J have a poll with numbers? Loss of assets, bugger all contact and excess child support, second class citizen, Im sick of it, it's all gotta end. Maybe dis is why im sick. Have wondered how this could be done and wht our plan would be. Question is how many fathers/men would follow when most are too slothful, ignorant, afraid and in their comfort zones. We would need issues that are righteous and good for every man/father/woman and family, else it won't stick. time for a beer
    blatant corruption - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 9, 2014 @ 2:29 pm
    Its about time all fathers stood together in the one place,namely parliament house and built a tent city and show the mongrels that people power and our right to be fathers is our right and we won't take their corruption anymore,our kids are our kids,not a notch on a corrupt judge,frw or lawyer,100,000 strong camped outside parliament house til a royal commission is considered is the least we could do for our kids.Any feedback
    Royal Visit - By:Daveyone from Hertfordshire, United Kingdom on April 9, 2014 @ 2:16 pm
    Write to The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
    Clarence House
    SW1A 1BA

    is sometin wrong wit me - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 9, 2014 @ 8:44 am
    Nothing wrong with you mate,I'm 42,caught nanna and wife molesting my 3 year old son,F.R.W and court now says I'm a liar even after magellan enquiry proved an extensive history of child abuse in 2 countries,I'm now ruined,I'M movin onto the street in 2 weeks,can only see my children 2 hours a fortnite and my kids lives are now all but ruined,I'M represented myself and can't appeal because of financials even though i'd have an extremely good case,I feel for u
    is sometin wrong wit me? - By:alan from vict, austral on April 8, 2014 @ 4:34 am
    im a father been thru the ringer. years have passed since decade of FCt + defending myself + kids. still struggle... no job..govt agencies all failed me,,ddepression..no assets...no car..ho $$.. all family abandoned me save son + gf atm.. despite trying to get help from people + system no one wants to know or care..some days are ok if i hav somethin 2 do keepin me distracted altho in reality ea day is a struggle without real support from anyone.. my mind sees too much yet is limited to confinement of imagination + push fwd from FCt assault...i dont drink, take drugs...but understand why pple do to kill pain of wrongs that get committed upon many of us=-- my will seems to fade finding reasons to keep alive as there seems to be little point these days.. can anyone tell me what 4?
    200. FC Stay & Appeal - By:JamesR from Vic, Australia on April 4, 2014 @ 4:11 am
    BigJoe is naturally coming from a position of process, common sense, no bias and fair play. Whooops...hang ona minute arent we talkin about the notorious anti-male family crt here?
    blatant corruption by FRW - By:BigJoe from Victoria, Australia on April 4, 2014 @ 12:39 am
    Shane, you would need to make application for a stay of a particular order/s which will again be listed before the trial judge. Your affidavit will need to include evidence not available at the hearing that's recently come to light that demonstrates how the Orders made would cause more or irreparable harm to your child/ren, than good. Of course the matter would need to be listed prior 22/4 because once handover is made, presumably you will have then lost primary residence. The stay, if one was to be ever granted, would have to be sought until after the judgment is handed down from the Full Court of the Family Court. So you don't get your hopes up, it's highly unlikely without very good cause, the judge will order a stay of his/her orders if seen as a stalling tactic or your having issues with the loss. Mind you, if you believe you have to do it and have merit, go for it. Not sure what you know about the appeal process but it's another tough, complex and costly journey. Hopefully you're a strawman so they can't milk you for costs. You have 28 days from judgment date to file your NOA to kick of the appeal.
    blatant corruption by FRW - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 3, 2014 @ 10:30 am
    Today was ordered to hand my son over on 22/4,can anyone tell me if I go to full court of appeal before that date can I stop the order to hand him over until appeal is heard or no,any help appreciated
    blatant corruption - By:shane from QLD, australia on April 3, 2014 @ 5:16 am
    Judgement today,well is all the ex had to do was lie and make false allegations and she won without any proof.she is a white supremacist kiwi who applied for a barrister because of my heritage,she had an aboriginal law firm funded by taxpayers,they proved nothing and won,her stepfather admitted in the nwitnessbox that black people come from monkeys and white people come from god,I caught abuse going on,her mother lost her kids in NZ for child abuse and alleged sexual mollestation of her own son,comes to oz and loses her kids in qld and the NT,I caught grandma breastfeeding my son and much more with the approval of the ex,my babies are now doomed with the protection of the family court,when will this corruption e nd they chose child abusers with mental history to bring up my kids with nothing on me
    power to us - By:Phil from Tassie, Australlia on March 28, 2014 @ 10:10 am
    power to da peoples!!!!
    blatant corruption by FRW - By:shane from QLD, australia on March 26, 2014 @ 8:33 am
    I represented myself,8 days trial later against 2 barristers I still have custody of my son who was abused but she still has my daughter,white supremacy was admitted by her family,she gave my son to her mother to abuse and IF walked in on it occurring,she all but admitted ro this,she is a nazi who hates black people but has an aboriginal organisation representing her because of my kids ancwstry and she is a white supremacist kiwi who is not a citizen,this is how aboriginal taxpayer funded organisations are willing to go to defeat me,go figuree,I'm an aussie with indigenous heritage and they chose to represent white supremacists over a caringfather who caught abuse going on
    blatant corruption - By:JamesR from Vic, Australia on March 26, 2014 @ 6:24 am
    Hi Shane, doubt the Fam report will make the slightest bit of difference to the final outcome, either way it is written. How much did you and your ex pay to have these reports done?

    For the uninitiated the FamCrt game is a simple one. The first hearing (interim) gives primary residence generally to the parent who has possession of the kids usually backed by a status quo of stability for some months. Fathers can often become primary carer of the kids at this point if mums have run off, left the abode or in a bad state on drugs etc. From a lawyers perspective and the business of fleecing mum and dad, lawyers will prefer that Dad's win at interim residence as this way it keeps both parents in the fight at least up until the final hearing where Dad thinks he has a good chance of so called victory.

    The final hearing however, if mums put their hand up for residence they pretty well get it. Only the exceptional case of big dollars, a qc, and very good evidence against the mum may win it for Dad.

    Psych reports, witnesses and evidence/affidavits are all part of the illusion to keep two or more parties embroiled in a conflict that ultimately liquidates their cash and family assets.
    blatant corruption by FRW - By:shane from QLD, australia on March 26, 2014 @ 1:32 am
    I've had my final hearing,family report writer said in the witness box that my children would be better off living with child abusers than being with me,she says this because I'm overprotective because of exfamily history who are proven abusers in 2 countries.Anyone got an idea how the judge will see her blatant bias,incompetance and narcicism
    Freedom - By:John Wilson from NSW, Australia on March 18, 2014 @ 2:02 am
    Dear Fellow Freedom Fighters,

    "We don't need a warrant - we're the Police!" ..... Australian Police trespass, assault and imprison Australians with impunity.

    "We don't need a contract - we're the Banks!" ..... Australian Banks steal from and dispossess Australians with impunity.

    "We don't need a commission - we're the Judges!" .... Australian Judges deny Australians their Rights with impunity.

    What of the Rule of Law?

    "All law hangs on loving God and loving one's neighbour as oneself."

    God once delivered the People of Israel from the slavery of the Pharaohs.

    When will God come again to "deliver us from evil"?
    onya bruce - By:graeme cox from nsw, australia on March 11, 2014 @ 9:49 pm
    brilliant answer bruce, thks mate smart advice...will do what u suggst & see how it rolls..cheers go f4j
    190. ans - By:Bruce from SA, oz on March 11, 2014 @ 12:59 pm
    What I do now when no answer from the other sides lawyer is to word email to them in such a way that if you get no answer you get what you want. "if I receive no answer by date XXX I will take it you agree with what I put have forward.
    No reason you have to be represented by lawyers unless some specific direction by the courts as far as I know.
    lawyer wont respond - By:graeme cox from nsw, australia on March 11, 2014 @ 5:52 am
    how useless are lawyers??? been emailin my exs lawyer for months now but getting no responses back. Cos ex an i dont speak not sure if ex is even getting my emails. looked into Legal Serv Com but there useless to for a pissy little matter like this. what to do? When ex lawyer first sent me letter she said i had to get a lawyer. is this wot they do, just keep it in thre bullshit legal club only? please advise
    Sign Petition - By:Michael K from Vic, Australia on February 27, 2014 @ 3:48 am


    For more info & link to sign petition: http://www.f4joz.com/news/newspage.php?yr=14&id=70
    Average Income - By:Charles Bedford from New South Wales, Australia on February 18, 2014 @ 12:49 am
    According the latest Australian Bureau of Statistics data, an average full-time worker on normal hours earns $74,000 a year. I receive just over $15k on Newstart at age 45 and up there with the high-rollers I know. I guess I shouldn't complain, 2 minute noodles aren't that bad really. It's just that i'd like to grab a steak once in awhile, say, once every 3 months.
    kisses - By:ilovekisses from Victoria, Australia on February 5, 2014 @ 9:13 am
    i want all the kisses in the world, the kisses make the world go around
    Here we go again - By:Bill Evans from New South Wales, Australia on January 22, 2014 @ 9:40 pm
    Abbott selling of the people's farm with Australia Post to make a temporary windfall will only benefit and be absorbed by a few, where the rest of us pay in the long run for Auspost services, if we are lucky to get them at all of course. Namely having weekday runs chopped down to just three days per week, and that's just for starters. Looking at the demise of Telstra services after being sold off is clear evidence of what happens to liquidated public assets.

    It never ceases to amaze the dumbness, self-centeredness, self serving and shortsightedness of the ruling class when it comes to looking after the people, on whose behalf they 'supposedly' were elected to fairly and wisely represent.

    Of course the simple and complete answer to all public assets and resources of the nation is to have them owned and administered by the people for the people, avoiding bankrupting this great nation we call Australia and home, to foreign interests who don't care for anything but making a profit without regard to the negative footprint they leave behind.

    The only path we should be considering is the wonderful concept of Social Investments where these are setup giving people a direct interest in public services, not shares through an antiquated stock exchange, but many opportunities, employment with great rewards and incentives for all allowing communities and local economies to flourish.

    It's really not that hard with the right mindset and attitude and once you get rid of those captains of the ship that continually run aground. This will in turn put big happy smiles on all our faces as we advance towards a brighter future, not some carcinogenic cesspit of fear and being controlled as expendable and mindless robots.

    However, the paradigm shift needed for the well-being of the community short and long term will never come as long as our so called leaders and representatives are controlled by interests externally to the best interests of Australia and its people.

    The political system has been infiltrated for many years and it's time the people canvassed new ways and forms of leadership in Australia. The political structure and landscape is old and requires an alternative structure, if the current system cannot be suitably transformed.

    The trouble has been when you have puppets at the helm who answer to foreign masters, rather than be true leaders and representatives of the nation's people, of course you will always see this continual sell out until one day, there will be no lucky country and our kids will inherit a gigantic physical, psychological and economic wasteland.

    This is not what we want to leave our kids, is it?

    So remember, we are the problem as individuals, and both individually and collectively have allowed this to happen. Yes, we have taken our eye of the ball, been deliberately distracted by all the control mechanisms, environmental stimulants and addictions known to man, but it's now time to wake, think clearly, act and be brave!

    It's up to YOU and each and every one of us to ensure good things happen in this country and around the world. For when we each truly care for others, there will simply be nothing ever to worry about. Good luck to us all.
    Is it right - By:Moses from QLD, Australia on January 21, 2014 @ 7:56 am
    Hi David. From the below par. it certainly appears that way, cementing common sense and what most of us common folk already know. ie. social services(SS) and the state, keep the hell away from our kids.

    "It is a serious matter for the state compulsorily to remove a child from his family of birth. The section 31(2) threshold is an important measure to protect a family from unwarranted intrusion while at the same time protecting children from harm [1] [75]. The wording of Section 31(2) has been the subject of six appeals to the House of Lords and Supreme Court. Those cases have consistently held that a prediction of future harm has to be founded on proven facts: suspicions or possibilities are not enough. Such facts have to be proved on the simple balance of probabilities [36]. This approach is supported by the legislative history of section 31(2) [45-46] [96]. It would be odd if the first limb (actual harm) had to be proved to the court's satisfaction but the basis of predicting future harm did not [47]."

    As for "future harm as a justified reason to take peoples children away", in the main as I understand it, this appeal kills that notion. However keep in mind, we don't want to limit SS from acting when they should and getting kids killed, as has been the case before, but rather we want to stop SS from blatantly removing kids and deliberately fracturing families, not under the guise of safety, but other agendas with destructive intent.

    As to "can those parents use that judgment to appeal & get their children back", well this is a good question and one that needs to be pushed repeatedly, through the high court if need be, to allow and promote reunification plus installing a barrier to keep the state out of the lives of all normal loving and caring families once and for all.

    The issue of compensation for affected families I believe also needs to be considered.

    ie. TUT TUT State, hands of our kids!!
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