Have Your Say Discussion Forum

A vitally important place to air your emotions, how you feel and what you think!

The F4J Have Your Say area is simply a place for everyone where you get the Freedom, Peace, Love and Respect to share what's going on for you.

There is no right or wrong about what you say or how you say it —
the main thing is you let it out!

So have your say, vent your spleen, say your peace, let your feelings, emotions and thoughts run free as opposed to bottling it up causing ill health in you and for others.

Chances are there is somebody relating to exactly what's happening or of concern to you. What you say may very well help others as well as yourself. Once we all realise we are not alone and we are all in this together in one form or another, as living men and women with fundamentally the same psychological and biological structure, a great sense of relief and peace can come from this knowing.

However, the only condition in this forum is we ask you not to identify family members by their true names. Not because of man made rules, fear or ignorance, but purely based on respect for yourself, your family and reasons of higher good, else you're free to let loose.

This Have Your Say section is an open forum and not censored as such giving you the freedom to let rip with whatever's on your mind.

So with all that out of the way.... Go straight to writing a comment now

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    Average Income - By:Charles Bedford from New South Wales, Australia on February 18, 2014 @ 12:49 am
    According the latest Australian Bureau of Statistics data, an average full-time worker on normal hours earns $74,000 a year. I receive just over $15k on Newstart at age 45 and up there with the high-rollers I know. I guess I shouldn't complain, 2 minute noodles aren't that bad really. It's just that i'd like to grab a steak once in awhile, say, once every 3 months.
    kisses - By:ilovekisses from Victoria, Australia on February 5, 2014 @ 9:13 am
    i want all the kisses in the world, the kisses make the world go around
    Here we go again - By:Bill Evans from New South Wales, Australia on January 22, 2014 @ 9:40 pm
    Abbott selling of the people's farm with Australia Post to make a temporary windfall will only benefit and be absorbed by a few, where the rest of us pay in the long run for Auspost services, if we are lucky to get them at all of course. Namely having weekday runs chopped down to just three days per week, and that's just for starters. Looking at the demise of Telstra services after being sold off is clear evidence of what happens to liquidated public assets.

    It never ceases to amaze the dumbness, self-centeredness, self serving and shortsightedness of the ruling class when it comes to looking after the people, on whose behalf they 'supposedly' were elected to fairly and wisely represent.

    Of course the simple and complete answer to all public assets and resources of the nation is to have them owned and administered by the people for the people, avoiding bankrupting this great nation we call Australia and home, to foreign interests who don't care for anything but making a profit without regard to the negative footprint they leave behind.

    The only path we should be considering is the wonderful concept of Social Investments where these are setup giving people a direct interest in public services, not shares through an antiquated stock exchange, but many opportunities, employment with great rewards and incentives for all allowing communities and local economies to flourish.

    It's really not that hard with the right mindset and attitude and once you get rid of those captains of the ship that continually run aground. This will in turn put big happy smiles on all our faces as we advance towards a brighter future, not some carcinogenic cesspit of fear and being controlled as expendable and mindless robots.

    However, the paradigm shift needed for the well-being of the community short and long term will never come as long as our so called leaders and representatives are controlled by interests externally to the best interests of Australia and its people.

    The political system has been infiltrated for many years and it's time the people canvassed new ways and forms of leadership in Australia. The political structure and landscape is old and requires an alternative structure, if the current system cannot be suitably transformed.

    The trouble has been when you have puppets at the helm who answer to foreign masters, rather than be true leaders and representatives of the nation's people, of course you will always see this continual sell out until one day, there will be no lucky country and our kids will inherit a gigantic physical, psychological and economic wasteland.

    This is not what we want to leave our kids, is it?

    So remember, we are the problem as individuals, and both individually and collectively have allowed this to happen. Yes, we have taken our eye of the ball, been deliberately distracted by all the control mechanisms, environmental stimulants and addictions known to man, but it's now time to wake, think clearly, act and be brave!

    It's up to YOU and each and every one of us to ensure good things happen in this country and around the world. For when we each truly care for others, there will simply be nothing ever to worry about. Good luck to us all.
    Is it right - By:Moses from QLD, Australia on January 21, 2014 @ 7:56 am
    Hi David. From the below par. it certainly appears that way, cementing common sense and what most of us common folk already know. ie. social services(SS) and the state, keep the hell away from our kids.

    "It is a serious matter for the state compulsorily to remove a child from his family of birth. The section 31(2) threshold is an important measure to protect a family from unwarranted intrusion while at the same time protecting children from harm [1] [75]. The wording of Section 31(2) has been the subject of six appeals to the House of Lords and Supreme Court. Those cases have consistently held that a prediction of future harm has to be founded on proven facts: suspicions or possibilities are not enough. Such facts have to be proved on the simple balance of probabilities [36]. This approach is supported by the legislative history of section 31(2) [45-46] [96]. It would be odd if the first limb (actual harm) had to be proved to the court's satisfaction but the basis of predicting future harm did not [47]."

    As for "future harm as a justified reason to take peoples children away", in the main as I understand it, this appeal kills that notion. However keep in mind, we don't want to limit SS from acting when they should and getting kids killed, as has been the case before, but rather we want to stop SS from blatantly removing kids and deliberately fracturing families, not under the guise of safety, but other agendas with destructive intent.

    As to "can those parents use that judgment to appeal & get their children back", well this is a good question and one that needs to be pushed repeatedly, through the high court if need be, to allow and promote reunification plus installing a barrier to keep the state out of the lives of all normal loving and caring families once and for all.

    The issue of compensation for affected families I believe also needs to be considered.

    ie. TUT TUT State, hands of our kids!!
    Lights are on, but... - By:MrNatural from Victoria, Australia on January 21, 2014 @ 4:05 am
    Hey Pete B, everyone still in holiday mode I think. What's your Q?
    Is it right? - By:David Mortimer from Milton Keynes, UK on January 21, 2014 @ 2:21 am
    Please will you kindly tell me if the Supreme Court said suspicions or possibilities are not enough when considering the significant harm threshold, if you think that judgment could be reasonably used to question if it's right for local authorities social services departments to use future harm as a justified reason to take peoples children away or not & if not can those parents use that judgment to appeal & get their children back?

    Lights are on, but... - By:Peter Butler from NSW, Australia on January 21, 2014 @ 2:16 am
    If F4J can't offer any constructive ideas, then I can no longer support F4J.
    180. Australia is what we make it. - By:Peter Butler from NSW, Australia on January 7, 2014 @ 10:34 pm
    Not happy supporting de facto 'dad'?
    If a referendum is not the answer, then please tell us what we should be asking for.
    Gay Marraige. - By:Peter Butler from NSW, Australia on December 15, 2013 @ 11:11 pm
    If we do nothing the bureaucrats will keep on telling us how to live our lives. If Australians want to have a say in what marriage is then we need to push for a referendum now. We may never get a second chance to define family if this opportunity is missed.
    Any truth in a judgement? - By:Peter Butler from NSW, Australia on December 14, 2013 @ 1:26 am
    If Oz constitutional gurus have their way a 'yes' vote to a gay marriage referendum would outlaw gay marriage. Most people would assume voting 'no' would mean 'no'. It is not the first time the legal community has argued 'no' means 'yes'. In the past parliament has had the power to argue 'yes' means 'yes', and 'no means 'no', so there is precedent.
    Trial - By:MrNatural from Vic, Australia on December 1, 2013 @ 9:05 am
    Many yrs ago represented meself as I understood the legal racket and didn't pay 25k+ for lawyers in a trial. I had the kids livn with me mostly but went to ex after trial due to witnesses called by exes lawyers. I had 4 reports by court appointed psychol which all admitted kids wanted to stay with dad. See mum but keep livin wit dad. But bitch crt psych changed 180deg in witness box sayin kids best live with mum. Theres no ryhme or reason to it all and nothin bad proven against me but thats the bullshit family court system for u. When I told kids sad news they had to live mostly with their mum my daughter howled her eyes out at 14. My son was 11 and just numb I think. Was one of many horrible moments in tryin to protect my kids. Many good parents are removed from their kids lives and guess this why many say that fam court should be dismantled. But within 1 yr daughter was back with me and so was son <2yrs. Life gets very confusng an mixed up at times.
    Family Court Trial - By:Rambo from NSW, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 11:38 am
    After reading your previous posts and not sure of your daughter's age, what current orders exist, orders sought, material before the court, witnesses to be called, full extent of history and future arrangements etc, the extent of the other parties bitterness and will to fight, not knowing you, how you present, your maturity and state of mind, emotional stability, beliefs, stresses, awareness, legal expertise and now with the shock of having a money hungry and spineless lawyer abandon you at the last minute, forecasting an accurate outcome is a bit like trying to predict that a worn out battered and bruised 3 legged greyhound will come first place.

    Although the game at the Family Court circus is rigged with far higher odds against fathers, winning is not always about being triumphant at the conclusion of a Final Hearing.

    Firstly, there are no Final Orders when it comes to children as their needs are dynamic and always need to be reassessed. You could have another final hearing in 2 or 3 years time. This hearing on Monday maybe just one battle of a long war, not necessarily a foregone conclusion to having your kids lost forever.

    If the FC appointed psych and child rep(ICL) are against you overtly or covertly cos you have a pair of coconuts and not in the FC club, there's not much you can do apart from giving it your best shot kicking them all in their nuts where it hurts, including members of the FC fraternity. Fighting for the rights and welfare of your children is paramount and must always be your first consideration, as I'm sure it is.

    On a big picture scale it's a mother's domain with so much history to it, and not personally about you. Of course it's the 'norm' to award mum custody/residence at final hearing time, save rare exceptions.

    Preliminary court advice to a self represented litigant in the absence of the above info made available would be to simply run process, be as clear minded and unemotional as you can, don't buy into all the tricks and allegations of the other side, and don't concern yourself with the outcome, as easy as that may sound.

    The best you can do at this stage for the short and long term, is feel you have been credible, truthful and true to yourself. Saying what you believe is right and important, no matter what your lawyer has told you, what theatrics lawyers and the judge may throw at you, or what you hope or think the outcome maybe.

    In the years to come knowing you did your best with what you knew and the resources you had to keep your kids safe will be what matters. We can't control everything all the time, and where it comes to safety of our kids this can be a hard pill to swallow.

    Put all your concerns/abuses before the court and on the record with as much supportive independent evidence as possible. Abuses must be direct threats to the safety of the child. Abuses that any independent fair minded person would agree with, not just your set of values.

    Good luck!
    desperate father needs advice - By:shane from QLD, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 11:55 am
    The family report writer lied about me in her report now my lawyer refuses to go to trial for me on Tuesday he says I willg lose badly against proven child abusers who have lost their kids in2 countries.If I proceedings to trial on my own can anyone suggest a likely outcome.I recorded my son alledging mollestation and torture but they are saying I'm putting it in
    Class action to Sue the governement over - By:Col from WA, Australia on November 24, 2013 @ 11:46 am
    This carries on from my previous comments. It goes like this may be the libs will act maybe they won't if we hear nothing from them in the next couple of months and after the boats issues settles down then they probably won't act to stop discrimination against fathers. If they won't do this then the victims, which are us and our kids need to do something. If normal laws applied victims could sue the people conducting the discrimination of the discrimination. Unfortunately the LAW does not allow you to SUE the Judges or Family consultants and they protect the other snouts in the troughs. So who do you go for is their employers. How do you make it easy you have a class action.

    So who is up for it.

    Join a class action for damages arising from the discrimination meated out by the BASTARD Judges and Magistrates

    Use the ambulance chasers themselves, one of or a bunch of the big class action firms - no win no pay.

    Don't wallow join up.

    I want to hear from people willing to sign up and tell their story. Give the money to your kids for the slow start these bastards are imposing on them.

    Who's up for it?
    What are the libs doing about family law - By:Col from wa, australia on November 24, 2013 @ 7:05 am
    Has anyone had feedback from any Liberal MPs, Senator. I would like to know what feedback was as I tried and got nothing

    Are they planning to do anything or try to get away with doing nothing believing we will still vote for them because they are not quite as bad a Labour and the Greens. If they do nothing I'll vote for the lunatic fringe parties and see where that goes

    Minister 4 Men? - By:Admin from Vic, Austrlalia on December 26, 2019 @ 11:55 am
    F4J is managed by volunteers who are dedicated and give their heart and soul to the cause. F4J is far bigger than any one or many people. It is a symbol of freedom, justice and love for all. However, as just and wise fathers and men what is our focus?

    What are we really trying to achieve in a big picture sense, as well as minor matters? There is no point in running around like headless chooks without clearly knowing what needs to be changed to make life better for all.

    In a bid to seek clarity and unity in an ever changing world, F4J encourages all to have their say in the Minister for Men section.

    Should we even have one, or not, as is the present case?

    Also, be sure to add your details for those who are keen to join other members in their state for meetings and protests.
    There is nothing to stop us. - By:David Mortimer from Milton Keynes, UK on December 26, 2019 @ 11:56 am
    I am one of the founder members of Men's Aid & we used to operate a customised emailing program which we called the megaphone. We built web site pages which allowed us to send messages to one, some or all of our MP's & Newspapers. I am currently waiting for the guy who wrote the program to install it on

    I'm a long way behind with the things that I need to do but when I've caught up I will starting building a new section to the megaphone which will allow members from all the different help & support groups (who's contact details I've collected over the last 10 years) to let each other know about those who have been successful in the past & co-ordinate our efforts to bring about real change & redress in the future. There is nothing to stop us from demanding real change & redress when enough people are simply willing to help each other & they deal with one issue at a time.
    170. townsville to canberra - By:shane from QLD, Australia on February 2, 2014 @ 10:48 pm
    Your on steve,trying to organise a few things
    see u in canberra - By:shane from QLD, Australia on February 2, 2014 @ 10:48 pm
    If the system in this country acknowlledges a gay couple as equal then why not a father it doesn't make sense but that is now the way of the world
    see u in canberra - By:shane from QLD, Australia on February 2, 2014 @ 10:48 pm
    Thanks steve I don't know what to do anymore I have a lawyer but need a barrister. but no hope of that.legal aid won't help as i guess I'm a bloke.My case is good but I'm not given much hope because I'm the father.Anyway a 6month journey to parliament maybe some dads will show up there the day I arrive in support to show the politicians,judges,report writers etc what they are doing is wrong
    lets give the kiddies back to the paedop - By:shane from QLD, Australia on February 2, 2014 @ 10:48 pm
    My trial date has been set for 2-12-2013 somewhere around that date my son and daughter will be handed back to paedophiles and child abusers who hav lost there kids in 2 countries and 2 states of oz,go figure but I have no hope in this system.In protest. I am riding to Canberra on. horseback from townsville so if u see a lonely cowboy on a horse aling the road in qld or nsw bip your horn in support.when I get there ill set up my swag out front in protest of injustices against all fathers in this shitty system
    Respect - By:Moses from QLD, Australia on October 31, 2013 @ 9:51 pm
    We have all been idiots from time to time Steve. I'm sure you can agree with that. The problem isn't with the opposite sex, it's with ourselves. Just like when you hear men getting married 3 times and getting fleeced 3 times. You sort of wonder why they didn't learn the first time. One bitten, twice shy and all that. Simply, men haven't learnt to unite and stand together unless it's at the football or the pub. Men haven't evolved into a species that values their kids, not really, else there would be thousands marching up the city streets daily disrupting city traffic. No men aren't there yet, not by a long shot, unless it's a money issue like child support, then a few may come out of the wood work. I wonder how many people have registered up for the protest section? Part of a man's nature is the lack of endurance. They get tired. They can run a quick race all fired up and angry but it doesn't last for long. If women are to be given any credit compared with men, it's the fact they sacrifice themselves for their kids, endure and do whatever takes. Show me 10 men who do that and I'll show you 10,000 women. There is far more behind why women get the kids than most men care to admit or want to hear. And this is not a pro speech for women cos I've had the cue stuck up my ass by a useless system so don't get me started down that path else we'll be here for a very long time.
    Judges must be accountable to the public - By:David Mortimer from Milton Keynes, UK on October 31, 2013 @ 8:29 am
    Publishing judgments without the supporting evidence will only tell us what a particular judge thinks. It does not allow anyone to make a balanced & informed decision. Judicial accountability is the real key to family law reform but you can't have accountability without transparency. Judges are public servants who are not accountable to anyone in government, so they must be accountable to the public in a law abiding democratic society' or it does not teach respect for them or the law.


    It is pointless for the courts to make orders if those orders are not then enforced. There is a legitimate public interest in ensuring that where an order is made by the court it is subsequently obeyed. Failure to enforce contact orders is the basis of some of the claims that the system is 'biased against fathers'. Furthermore, a failure of the State to enforce orders in this sphere has been held by the European Court of Human Rights to amount to a breach of the State's positive obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights.


    In an exclusive investigation , Dispatches puts judges in the dock and asks why no judge has ever been sacked for incompetence. In fact, there are no records kept of how often judges are getting it wrong, and with what consequences.

    Going back through the court transcripts of over 5,000 successful appeals and gathering the opinions of leading QCs, Dispatches reveals for the first time the alarming scale of judicial mistakes that can have devastating effects on those up before the court. This film is a special investigation by Mark Easton, Home Affairs Editor at Channel 4 News.

    The Answer - By:Moses from QLD, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 11:57 am
    "Love is the only sane and satisfactory answer to the problem of human existence" - Erich Fromm
    Pollies in fish-nets? - By:Peter Butler from NSW, Australia on October 25, 2013 @ 1:04 am
    Same sex marriage being fought over by politicians?- too much information. A referendum on whether same sex marriage between consenting adults is recognised seems a better way to resolve the issue.
    Public Abuse - By:JamesR from Vic, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 11:56 am
    Abuse is everywhere including organisations like Ostara (Disability Employment provider) and CRRS (Complaints Resolution and Referral Service) under the guise of an an Australian Government-funded disability employment and advocacy service.

    On this Shame & Name theme, I believe we need one not aimed at mums or dads, but all officials that supposedly serve the public. This would include the organisation plus key personnel like managers and executives etc.
    Forwards or Backwards - By:Rambo from NSW, Aust on October 23, 2013 @ 10:12 pm
    As an old friend on mine used to say there is too much filth in the world, and he was right. ie. filth in man and by man
    160. Forwards or Backwards????? - By:Jeff Samuels from The Mallee Region Vic, Australia on October 23, 2013 @ 9:40 pm
    Oz - Are we a land of Opportunity for all?

    Is Australia advancing or simply going backwards?

    Every industry, every sign and example shown by many seems to indicate we are going down hill.

    I really want to believe we are moving forward but just don't see it.
    I am a positive person. I can look at the sky, trees, animals, nature, the beauty of life like our children and breathe in our wonderful air, but everything man is touching is going to rack n ruin. Why?

    What's really going on, am I the only one feeling this phenomena? Does it feel like your spirit is breaking? I thought we were the lucky country from being smart.

    I would really like to hear what others have to say?
    Who are their policies designed to prote - By:David Mortimer from Milton Keynes, UK on October 22, 2013 @ 7:06 am
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: david@ukfamilylawreform.co.uk
    To: mwilshaw@ofsted.gov.uk
    Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 5:43 PM
    Subject: Who are their policies designed to protect children from?

    Dear Sir Michael Wilshaw,

    If councils don't collect information on child abuse perpetrators how can they write policies which would effectively protect children & would you kindly ask those who don't collect this information who their policies are designed to protect children from?

    Yours Sincerely

    David Mortimer
    Am I the problem - By:Daniel L Senior from Sth Aust, Australia on October 21, 2013 @ 8:47 am
    Always thought my last g/friend was just a narcisist but looking back and after reading more about it i think she was a sociopath.
    It was very hard to get out of the 7 yr relationship with her as you do feel sorry for them, you help them, you have your own stuff going on and sometimes you fall in love with them and want to remain loyal and make a real go of the relationship.
    But what it really means is you fall victim to their prey-ing mantis mentality and your in deep sh&&t.
    Funny thing tho my ex wife who i had kids with many years ago, well i had learnt from a forensic psyche that she was a narcisist and another woman i dated for a bit was also abit that way. Wow i said to moir what am i doing to attract these types. Havent figured it yet apart from the thrill i sometimes got with them.. at times mind you. And now im with a normal woman where i sometimes think is something missing and perhaps the problem is with me...
    UK Family Law Reform. - By:David Mortimer from Milton Keynes, UK on October 16, 2013 @ 2:18 pm
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: david@ukfamilylawreform.co.uk
    To: Mark Lancaster2
    Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:16 PM
    Subject: Fatherlessness linked to crime levels and anti-social behaviour.

    Hi Mark,

    I've copied below a message I sent on the 10th of August in 2004.

    Best regards Dave


    I was pleased that Mr Howard said that boys benefit hugely from a fathers influence and with girls that it reduces pregnancies. Mr Howard has realised that divorce and fatherlessness are linked to crime levels and anti-social behaviour but there are many factors contributing to the rise in juvenile violence and crime, from the glorification of violence in the media to the failure of the "war on drugs but the main causes is the relationship between the welfare state and crime.

    NEW research shows that single mothers are more prevalent in countries where the state provides plenty of benefits. In Britain a quarter of all children are brought up by single parent mothers more than any other in the European Union and Increases in public support for single mothers is significantly associated with a higher prevalence of never-married and divorced mothers in 17 western countries.

    Best regards Dave


    August 09, 2004

    Howard blames fathers
    Police state or am I going mad?? - By:Petie from New South Wales, Austalia on December 26, 2019 @ 11:57 am
    More police... what for? Do we want peace on Earth or police on Earth? After reading the below article one has simply gotta say WTF!!

    "Controversial changes to Victoria’s speed camera rules will allow police to hide behind trees and road signs and position themselves at the bottom of hills in the name of camera operator safety.

    A News Limited report reveals the new policy changes – which come into effect immediately – that claim to be designed to protect mobile speed camera operators from motorists by allowing them to hide behind bushes, poles and other fixed objects.

    While previously speed cameras were “under no circumstances” permitted to be covertly concealed and banned from use on downhill sections of road, the new wording allows their use in such instances if the “road safety objective” can’t be achieved in another position.

    Victoria Police defended the changes to the speed camera rules, contending that the amendments embraced some of the recommendations made by the state’s speed camera commissioner.

    “The amendments were made to specifically focus on the occupational health and safety of mobile speed camera operators, which is paramount in ensuring they can work in a safe environment,” a Victoria Police spokesperson said.
    Are you f...cking serious!! Let's look after the little camera operator revenue raisers at the xpense of families and children going under and breaking up due to financial stress. Seriously, put this much pressure on people and people are gona start crashin into these camera operators and probably much much worse! I'm surprised camera poles haven't been yet cut down with angle grinders??

    The mobile speed camera policy changes will be made publically accessible on the Victorian Government’s ‘Cameras Save Lives’ website.

    The website explains mobile cameras are used in unmarked vehicles at approximately 2000 locations across Victoria’s road network. A list of the locations is also available online.

    Locations for mobile cameras in Victoria must satisfy at least one of the following: there has been a serious or major collision at the location in the past three years; there have been complaints of excessive speed; it has been identified by Victoria Police to be a speed-related problem location; and, speed enforcement by non-camera devices is unsuitable."

    Shame on us - By:Moses from QLD, Australia on December 26, 2019 @ 11:57 am
    My ex was a real bitch let me tell you and I didn't get to see my kids for a bit. But as much as I wanted to get back at her for what she was doing to her kids as much as me, stooping to low levels wasn't the answer as I had to live with myself at the end of the day. I have my own set of morals and standards. i for one agree with comments by Lostinspace and others not in favour of a destructive shame wall. You don't gain rights, privileges, respect or dignity at the expense of breaching or taking away anothers. Its what gets people in trouble in the first place. Just like in the world of money & credit, you don't satisfy a creditor by placing a debtor who can't pay in draconian hardship. Universal laws don't work that way and thank god else most of us wouldn't be here today.
    Name/Shame wall - By:Lostinspace from vic, australia on December 26, 2019 @ 11:57 am
    All sounds lovely for some who want to blame others for their own inadequacies but sounds like a step backwards overall. We are trying to extinguish fascism, not inflame it.

    Leading - By:Sean O'Connor from NSW, Australia on October 15, 2013 @ 2:58 am
    Father for Justice UK and Matt O'Connor, http://www.contactdeniers.com/ is sheer brilliant's, spotlighting secret court corruption destroying families and lives, Matt is leading by example is what it is about F4J OZ should follow their example.
    Admiralty law - By:MrNatural from Vic, Aust on October 15, 2013 @ 12:32 am
    Also research Admiralty Law as a basis to better understand the legal parallels with family courts, women and commerce, understanding why mothers get the lion's share.
    Narcs, Fascism & Communism - By:Rambo from NSW, Australia on October 14, 2013 @ 11:13 pm
    Firstly, your preaching to the choir here. Life is difficult for us all in various ways but I'm sure many are doing our best, although I'm sure we can all do better. Still, our best may not be good enough but that's a matter for each of us.

    Narcissism is prevalent everywhere you look, and on the rise no doubt about it. The Legal and Family Law Industry is a hot spot, but anywhere there is money and power you will find it.

    This narcissistic and almost sociopath phenomena can largely be attributed to the ever increasing harshness of our environment, causing many to become selfish and look after No 1. using the ol' addage "Stuff you Jack I'm ok". It's often sickening and disheartening to see this attitude seemingly flourish in this day and age, it's a problem both simple and complex.

    The generic labels one can use are Fascism and Communism. The Communist Manifesto and history books indicate how an ever increasing police state underpins this cancerous creep into our civilization.

    Victorian news announced last night that State budget revenue from infringements was double their expectation. From $149M to over $300M and that over 3000 new police [not police as we'd like to know them, just revenue collectors] are on order.

    Australia is falling in line just like the UK and USA and must be met with resistance of love and higher consciousness. These historic and archaic ideals of F&C by a relative few may control our bodies as they own us in almost every way, but they don't own our hearts and souls. This is why we must all look within working hard on ourselves to become more loving and peaceful in a spiritual way. Violence only begets violence but love and non-compliance of evil trumps all. History has proven this.
    150. How much contact? - By:Rambo from NSW, Australia on October 14, 2013 @ 9:27 am
    Hi David M great Q.

    Enough contact in whatever way so the child feels in their heart and soul that you truly love, care and are concerned about them. Kids have to feel they haven't been forgotten. It's about connection not so much quantity.
    Name/Shame page - By:Rambo from NSW, Australia on October 14, 2013 @ 8:12 am
    Me from QLD probably needs to refrain from slagging F4Joz which in effect denigrates its members, users, the cause of unity and not helpful to anyone including yourself.

    Whilst everyone gets angry with the unfairness that happens to them with the whole Div/Sep clap trap process, blaming others and naming them really doesn't solve anything.

    This is not always apparent to us at first especially when we're feeling pain and helplessness against an anti-family system, but the cause of our issues aren't external, they're internal.

    It can be bloody hard, but we must all look inside for both the problems and solutions to all our woes. When we do this and in time, healing can take place.

    If ME wants to so desperately want a name & shame page up, why don't you do one yourself? Or if other members/users think its a good idea in a positive way please state your case.
    Child contact. - By:David Mortimer from Milton Keynes, UK on October 14, 2013 @ 7:06 am
    How much contact does a none resident parent need to have with their children after separation or divorce to ensure their long term relationship is sustainable?
    One mans point of view - By:Bill Evans from New South Wales, Australia on October 13, 2013 @ 11:31 pm
    After reading a few comments on this site I thought I would throw my point of view into the hat for consumption anyway people like. Btw I have had my fair share of ups and downs in life, including having the family court industry screw me and my family over big time, although a few years back now.

    THE BIG PICTURE (well some of it anyway)

    From 1975 - 2013 or thereabouts, many men as fathers have had to pay a stiff price upon Divorce or a Separation.

    Through loss of time with the kids or complete alienation, financial disparity if not financial ruin, loss of power and control and a hard whack to the male ego, identity and expectations, or simply a loss of their life psychologically, emotionally or physically.

    But didn't all these losses somehow resemble men and fathers going off to war, where men were somehow proud to go abroad and fight for their country? So what's the difference now for a man or father between the losses he may incur through going off to war and the losses he sustains through a Divorce or Separation?

    Whilst both scenarios are similar, what makes one more palatable than the other, or have men been jibbed on both accounts?

    Taking it a step further what are men meant to learn from these two paradigms?

    Are men being in alignment with their true nature in either case and if not, what really is a man's fundamental true nature?

    What is the authority on a man't true nature? Is there any one man on the planet we can say is an honourable role model for all men? What about throughout history or in the bible (the greatest story ever told)?

    Or are we slowly awakening to the fact we have been lost or misled, and in the throws of creating a new male species?

    Are men having to evolve in alignment with their environment, or should we be all working together to create something new and something better, discarding this old defunct model?

    So who's controlling our environmental landscape and for the good of who or what?

    Taking a spiritual perspective, and I don't mean religious, may just be the way forward for all us men and fathers. Maybe learning and remembering who we truly are is really the path for us all.

    In closing remember one thing, we came in with nothing and we will leave with nothing, so what would you like to contribute in the brief time you are here?

    Unfortunately as I wrote this, I came up with more questions than I did answers, I hope this is or service to someone and some other part of me.
    Action required... - By:Lostinspace from vic, australia on October 12, 2013 @ 1:44 am
    Thx David & well done Andrea in her attempts to expose areas of child abuse. What a long statement & long battle (some 40 years).

    Child abuse is an industry that like the CSA, ATO, Legal, courts & authorities just to name a few, will do whatever it takes to protect itself from the onslaught of public pressure if the truth were to be revealed. It's a disgrace and the only real protection of these children is for mums & dads to be wise and just protectors of their children, also whatever it takes!!

    The fight is on lads, not against other countries in stupid wars that are pointless, but against those who attack our kids and families. United we stand - divided we fall!
    Action required in the best interests of - By:David Mortimer from Milton Keynes, UK on October 10, 2013 @ 11:32 am
    Please read this & let me know what you think?

    By:Trevor Arthurson from Qld, Australia on October 9, 2013 @ 10:48 pm
    Yeah, a single protest will get you onto national TV and radio. Things will continue to get worse because the emasculated Aussie male spends all his time and energy complaining about and abusing the MEN who engage in direct action. Hey, I and others did more than our share back then. Our kids have grown up. It's now up to the current dads to decide their future. If you're going to do nothing but complain then you really have no right to complain. Good luck lads, I just thought I might be able to get some out from behind a computer screen and take the fight to the streets. I'll leave you to the future that you choose to accept.
    By:Trevor Arthurson from QLD, Australia on October 9, 2013 @ 2:37 pm
    I just noticed you said, "...if you did something". IF? IF? How dare you? Look at the guys in that video, every one of us were DOING many things to effect change. Go fire up a few rallies on the steps of the family court and get a media crew there. Do it next week. Come on, what's your excuse?
    By:Trevor Arthurson from Qld, Australia on October 9, 2013 @ 2:22 pm
    I don't see any going to "extremes" in the media though. So, where are these dads? As for going back to the mother land comment, I was born and have lived my entire life here in Australia. Served in the military here too. I am 100% Australian and that's why I'm so disgusted with the cry baby attitude of just all those Australian dads who "say" they'd do anything to get their kids back but actually "do" very little in that regard. This equates to a lot of talk and no real "action". Anyway, I "did" my share for the cause for all those years. If every dad in this country stepped up and did something to continually highlight the injustice in a dramatic manner there would be some chance for change. Talking and complaining, however, will never effect change. Therefore, you can't expect anything to change. Those of us who did engage in direct action and civil disobedience did effect changes to the Child Support system. I hoped that others would take up the fight to advance the cause. Instead the just offered anonymous verbal support. The number of times I heard, "But I might get arrested." by the sissies was sickening. Anyway, if dads are only going to complain the the shouldn't complain because it's not going to change anything. If dads operate within the "system" then they are demonstrating that the support that system. So, Australian dads deserve what they're getting because they're DOING NOTHING to change it. I shouldn't expect a batch of ineffectual fairy cakes to man up and FIGHT for their honor and the respect of their kids after more than a generation of fatherlessness has resulted in a society that has no understanding of honour or respect. I'm out!
    shane - By:shane from QLD, Australia on February 2, 2014 @ 10:29 pm
    Without getting into a slanging match but if you have done something for this worthy cause then good on you but that doesn't give you the right to act like a goose and judge other fathers who are in the middle of going through hell in the family court system.I don't care who you are,there would be plenty of dads out there who would go to extremes to protect their children not just you matey,think its time you went back to the motherland if that's the way you think
    140. By:Trevor Arthurson from Qld, Australia on October 9, 2013 @ 11:21 am
    Shane (no surname) here's the link to save you looking.


    It's quite repulsive for you to question my identity whilst failing to disclose your own. But, it's not surprising, most Australian dads are too scared to stand up and be counted.
    By:Trevor Arthurson from Qld, Australia on October 9, 2013 @ 11:07 am
    Been all over Australia Shane (no surname) and appeared on 60 Minutes. Have listened to literally thousands of dads and each one believed their own circumstances were unique, but in reality, every story holds remarkable similarities. Shane, one you have organised multiple acts of civil disobedience and appeared on 60 Minutes as a Fathers' Rights Activist you'll be able to criticize me. Until then, I'm sorry mate, but I can only laugh at any criticism you level toward me. Do some research, or just scroll down the page and find the link to the 60 Minutes video. I don't hide behind pseudonyms or half names. My description of Australian dads is based in fact and years of experience as a Fathers' Rights Activist. If you possessed equivalent knowledge and experience you'd be qualified to comment on my posts.
    wake up - By:shane from QLD, Australia on February 2, 2014 @ 10:48 pm
    Come to townsville mate,trev or who ever you are,you don't get any prizes for tootin your own little horn.There's many dads out there who don't need some small minded self absorbed fuckqit giving them shit.Everyone's case is different
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