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There is no right or wrong about what you say or how you say it —
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So have your say, vent your spleen, say your peace, let your feelings, emotions and thoughts run free as opposed to bottling it up causing ill health in you and for others.
Chances are there is somebody relating to exactly what's happening or of concern to you. What you say may very well help others as well as yourself. Once we all realise we are not alone and we are all in this together in one form or another, as living men and women with fundamentally the same psychological and biological structure, a great sense of relief and peace can come from this knowing.
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This Have Your Say section is an open forum and not censored as such giving you the freedom to let rip with whatever's on your mind.
So with all that out of the way.... Go straight to writing a comment now
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Used to be an aussie too - By:Trevor from KT, Previously Australia on March 16, 2017 @ 3:51 amI applied for more jobs than I care to remember but it really only took 4 months of hard work and dedication from starting my search until I got offered a decent position. it would of been worth 4 years of jobsearching. I'm extremely happy now. Good luck to everyone else doing the same.
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common sense - By:Jason from wa, australia on March 19, 2017 @ 2:58 pmI wonder how quick the system would be revised if the blokes in paliment were in the same boat?
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Worth waiting 4 - By:Rob from Vic, Australia on March 22, 2017 @ 1:56 pmWhen my children turned 18 I sent them letters and this was after years of no contact. It explained everything all my reasons for not seeing them and all my love for them. I sent one again to my daughter on her 21st because I didn't hear back from her and suspected my ex intersected the letter the first one.
I have good relationships with my children and we spend time together regularly now that it's their decision. I don't have any regrets about how things happened because of what I have today and my daughter told me that they all appreceate NOT having stress during their childhood with parents fighting AND THEY THANK ME for that and RESPECT me for that.
I know how hard it is but the wait is WORTH it all
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csa r idiotic robots - By:mick from nsw, Australia on March 19, 2017 @ 2:59 pm1
300. csa ashholes - By:michael cullen from nsw, Australia on March 19, 2017 @ 2:59 pm1
Walk from Sydney to Canberra - By:Albert from ACT, Australia on October 21, 2016 @ 9:58 amHere are a few links that you can find more information on the walk that starts on the 9th of October 2016. Please like the page and share it round. Mel also needs support drivers with their own vehicle, it would be greatly appreciated if you or someone you know can donate a day or even half a day to take part in the event.
https://www.facebook.com/OneStepCloserWalk/
https://www.facebook.com/OneStepCloserWalk/events
https://www.gofundme.com/2kd4244/
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Not my kid - By:Leo from Nsw, Australia on October 29, 2016 @ 1:59 pm2
unfair payments - By:lenny from N.T., Australia on October 7, 2016 @ 4:31 am7
See you l8er! - By:Gary from Ex-nsw, Ex-australia on November 6, 2016 @ 12:42 pm3
csa r a joke - By:mick from nsw, ausralia on November 1, 2016 @ 10:01 amSo I am having a baby with my partner, who is currently paying child support for a child he has no contact with. I earn more money so he is going to be a stay-at-home parent, but I am unsure whether he will still have to pay child support? As he will have no income, I will be the sole provider and I do not think it is fair if I would have to pay it. Any advice on this would be great!
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Change of circumstances - By:Dave from ACT, Australia on November 6, 2016 @ 12:44 pm6
Inferdelity - By:Glen from Northern Territorry, Australia on November 6, 2016 @ 1:20 pmIll tell you why because the law supports women in a way that they can live their lives with little or no responsibility for their actions and there are no laws to protect a man thats why"!
If that happens in other countries he gets shot and she goes to jail.... no wonder so many men are choosing asian wives because all the white ones fuck us over... and most of the time its planned through the single mothers man hating club"!
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Only the applicant - By:Stephen from Nsw, Australia on November 1, 2016 @ 11:48 am9
290. When a man doesn't show up none cares - By:Graham from Australia, Australia on November 6, 2016 @ 1:21 pm9
They can go to H*** - By:Bill from Nsw, Oz on November 6, 2016 @ 1:22 pm8
DONT WASTE YOUR TIME $ ENERGY - By:Peter from Nsw , Australia on November 1, 2016 @ 11:48 amIf you've started proceedings allready and feel you're getting nowhere it's because you are getting nowhere! You can get out of it and save those precious dollars for the future and your children's future
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CSA & Mothers - By:Joe Firriolo from WA, Australia on November 21, 2016 @ 5:53 amSecondly court ordered parenting plans are fking USELESS if you dont have the money to go to court! with the money im left with each week how the fk am I suppose to go to court and make a case - and even if I do have to go down that avenue dragging my kids into this shit is beyond cruel!
Good fathers get fk all, bad mothers get all.
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Fuck csa fuck court fuck everything - By:Bill from Nsw, Oz on January 5, 2017 @ 8:50 amIf it wasn't for my wife id just give up and not bother turning up to {biased}court next week but my wife knows what date I have to be there. Might lie and tell her it's adjourned so I don't have to go. Don't see the point any more. Lawyer alone cost a small fortune. Csa has no sympathy for my needs. At all. Ex breeches orders but I'm still expected to pay as agreed to. I'm not ordered. She is. Fucking hell. Means 0 but the paper it written on.
It's bullshit. Biased bullshit.
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Child support equal rigjts flaw - By:Hux from WA, Australia on August 25, 2016 @ 5:37 am1
Abolish state governments - By:kris from nsw, ZOG on June 30, 2016 @ 2:15 pmAbolishing state governments is not spoken about enough people. Think about the massive beurocracy we live under and how much it costs us.
how many governments does it take to manage 20+ million people.
All the different laws/licensing from state to state. The local councils are enough and paid well to manage localities. Our one nation with lots of different people and cultures,divided by many factors, hundreds of councils state governments and one big government in a place ,some may never know,they call Canberra . And yeah we'll get this monkey show back on track, happy elections season people, and please someone tell Rupert Murdoch to stay the fk out of Australian politics and fkn retire.
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Political landscape - By:Sammy from Vic, Australia on July 1, 2016 @ 11:10 am2
Upcoming election - By:Marilyn Synnes from South Australia, Australia on July 2, 2016 @ 12:03 pm3
Please read!! Help fight backs - By:Geoff from Qld, Australia on August 31, 2016 @ 1:04 pm2
280. MyBudget Rort - By:Mick from Vic, Australia on June 22, 2016 @ 3:51 amWhilst this crowd continually advertises on TV/Radio that they help people and makes their life better, this has not been my poor brother's experience where he was RIPPED OFF and taken advantage of by mybudget and a "do gooder" Social Worker who arranged it for him. Was there a finders fee???
My brother having an intellectual disability was duped into forking out almost $3,500 in one financial year in weekly admin and establishment fees, leaving him with barely nothing to live on after debts, which could have easily been wiped off, were first deducted from his disability pension.
BEWARE EVERYBODY about being misled and deceived by this shady operation which has made the owner a multi multi-millionaire --- yep we now know how --- at the expense of those in need and those who should be protected!!!!!
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Escape child support & fight back - By:Brick from Vic, Aus on August 6, 2016 @ 12:44 amI't also pains me to pay her every month, when I know she is using my daughters to get back at me and the price that they are paying for her vindictiveness is that they have lost a dad
But then I consider that, even if a small part of what I pay gets through and adds a bit of value to their lives, it's worth it
And if I didn't pay, she would let them know & use it to convince them that they have been completely abandoned by their dad
And at the end of the day, the girls end up paying the double price of her vindictiveness ..... and my retribution .......
So I swallow my pride and pay the price, and more, cause I'm sure that they are suffering as much as I am and if If I need to pay $100 more, to reduce their pain by$1, I will do it with a smile
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Escape Child Support and fight back!! - By:Jack Storm from South Australia, Australia on November 17, 2016 @ 10:29 amI managed this by dropping off the net. Living under the radar.
I have no access to my kids and because of this I refuse to pay.
I have no bank accounts and no assets. (On Paper)
I live a great life and I work 40 to 60 hours per week for cash.
It is possible to do if you are willing to sacrifice:)
trust me!! It works:)
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Are trusts the way to go? - By:Barry J from New South Wales, Australia on July 22, 2016 @ 8:35 pm4
Trust - By:Adam from NSW, Australia on November 17, 2016 @ 10:30 am60CA. Child's best interests paramount consideration in making a parenting order
60CB. Proceedings to which Subdivision applies
60CC. How a court determines what is in a child's best interests
This where every one needs to focus and base their arguments in family law cases.
My case went for 26 mths from start to finish. I was up against a Lawyer representing the other parent, however my children had an Independant childrens Lawyer which was the biggest assistance in my matter.
In my interim hearing all three of my children where removed from the mother and put solely in my care 100%. The mother had access on weekends but it never occurred. After the final hearing and judgement was handed down, I remained with 100% care and sole parental responsibility, mother has 3 hrs access every fortnight, she has no say in their up bringing. Her partner has no contact with my children. I am in the process of commencing a breach of these final orders as the partner is back to interfering with my children and contacting them. His recent words to my young 10 year daughter via sms " shove the court orders up your arse" lovely behaviour. I have had to changed the children's mobile numbers to stop the contact from him. He phones the landline crying his undying love for my girls to my girls he is a sick piece of garbage. Anyway my rant is done. I say this to all parents, Represent yourself in family court, read up on the law and read up on cases through the courts website. Document all your evidence, subpeona school files, police files and any child protection files. As a Father I never gave up I persisted and studied every thing I could, I sat in court and took notes on other cases and the law words used then looked it all up in detail. Yes it is hard work but you will start to understand the system and the ACT and when you do this you then can put quite good arguments across to judges. Never ever give up. Continue the fight for your children's rights as it is their right to access both parents. At times it is so draining emotionally and physically but remain positive at all times even in the court room. I always suggest you wear a dark blue suit to court appearances, the dark blue has some kind of effect in the court I do not know why but it does and if you see in court most lawyers wear dark blue suits. Always show respect to the court and judge. Always request the court appoint an ICL, (independent children's lawyer). Should you find yourself in a DVO situation of false allegations never admit to anything with the police say nothing. When in a DVO court never admit to anything, if they put a DVO in place it is without admissions and that really means sweet FA in a family court. And never at any time run the other parent down to anyone as it will not go in your favour.
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Standard advice to dads - By:J from Vic, Aus on November 17, 2016 @ 10:31 amI called all the men's rights & father's rights groups, in an attempt to get help and advice and they all came with the same advice - step back, regroup, look after your own health, they will eventually come back to you after age 18 ..... & so on & so on
What a crock of nonsense, these groups are worthless and even worse, because they don't have a clue &, in fact, support the status quo by advising you to accept the situation
They give no productive advice and are toothless dogs, who guide you to accepting the fact that, as a man, you should accept that you don't stand a chance, even if you are fighting for the rights of your children
& then you have boards like this where we (men) can "vent" ...... JC I'm not a woman, I don't need to "air my feelings" I need things to be set right ....... But that will never happen in Aus, where things are decided on a basis of emotion and touchy feely, ...... and if a woman cries abuse, you've had it, because you're convicted immediately, without any consideration for the facts, or that SHE is actually the (emotional) monster
In the mean time, my girls will have lived without a dad for almost 9 years, before they can see me again, at an age where they are ready to go out on their own & shape there own lives
I have no faith in The Australian Justice System and Australian society has decayed the the point where men and women are equal, except that women are more equal and men are less
Its time for men to look at themselves and recognise that they are not 2nd rate citizens and to judge themselves on a scale of a man, not a scale designed by a woman, & say enough is enough, here we draw the line & things need to be put right!!!
& don't rely on Aussie lawyers, who think that they get paid merely to hold your, while you have to bend over & get shafted ...... because it's a given, that, if you appoint a lawyer, he (or she) will go with the flow & never dare to buck the system ....... & in the "system", men WILL get shafted!!
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270. thanks brian p - By:dean from wa, aust on August 6, 2016 @ 12:45 am3
Appeal - By:Brian P from Vic, Aust on October 15, 2016 @ 1:04 pmDid you have a residence application in at trial?
I notice you had 6 days/fn which is not uncommon following consent/court orders from an interim hearing. Some may say this time split is all about settling kids into a new routine and seeing who they align with, others say it's about lawyers making a quid from exacerbating the battle and positioning a client best for trial. All in all it's generally a load of BS and a racket our families should never be a part off!
Trouble is when a parent becomes the primary carer, and especially if the other parent has little contact, ie. 2/3 nights/fn, they can do as they like and move where they like. It's not a ground for appeal that will entertained favourably. Some parents move farther.
I personally would drop the appeal idea, lick your wounds after this battle and regroup. Get yourself fixed up, head straight and feeling good before contemplating your next moves. ie. whether a) you want to move closer to your Ex for the good of the kids and more time or b) accept what is for now, adjust and plan for something better for yourself and your kids. Keep in mind that kids circumstances change and a fresh application down the track maybe needed or maybe your ex isn't too bad and will give you more time.
Just a few thoughts for you brother to keep your spirits high, and knowing that nothing has been lost. You have plenty of options up your sleeve. Of course there is no silver bullet answer as everyone's perception and situation is different.
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give them no authority - By:Bill from sa, australia on July 8, 2016 @ 3:22 pmThese children who were removed came to be known as the Stolen Generations. The best to my knowledge removal of any Australian child from a parent who is not mistreated or neglected is stolen. When is the Government going to realise we are all human no matter what colour,race or gender? When is the Government going to say sorry to all the innocent parents, children and families they are destroying? When does the human rights and equal opportunity Commission pass and follow legislations set out by the United Nations?
United Nations Convention
on the Rights of the Child. Convention on the Rights of the Child
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by General Assembly resolution 44/25 of 20 November 1989
entry into force 2 September 1990, in accordance with article 49
Preamble Article 9 Children should not be separated from their parents unless it is for their own good. For
example, if a parent is mistreating or neglecting a child. Children whose parents have separated
have the right to stay in contact with both parents, unless this might harm the child. Article 18 Both parents share responsibility for bringing
up their children and should always consider what is best for each child. Governments
should help parents by providing services to support them, especially if both parents work 25 years the Australian Government appears to have failed to pass many legislations and to follow the legislation, Laws set out by the United Nations.
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The mother has been given sole parental responsibility and must assist the children if they express their wishes to see their dad
Given the situation, it will not happen for so many reasons, none of which is that they don't want to see me
Given my experience in the family court, as well as in regard to defending an intervention order, I can't find fault with your description of the Australian Justice System
As regards the remainder of your advice, there is no other life, if I were to abandon my girls
I will fight this till the last drop of blood in my body and if this appeal doesn't succeed, I will carry on in whatever other way I can find
In FC it's all magic tricks that string along unsuspecting + emotionally vulnerable people to maximise games + the looting of assets. The game's rigged from the outset.
Simply, if primary carer wants to maintain that status quo, the game played is no co-operation/communication + go to trial. Most don't understand the outcome does not come from the evidence in court, or lack thereof, the theatrics in trial are just to provide an excuse (judgment) to keep kids with mum or dad (if he pays the big $$$ to a lawyer that trumps other junior). Lawyers are craftsmen + play a very clever money game of deception.
Save your $4700+ and do your best to adjust + walk away for the time being, which can be extremely hard I know.
You are best to have a break, re-evaluate your position + kid/s welfare + if necessary, begin a fresh approach with Ex down the track or new application if need be as children's circumstances change. Forget lawyers, you possibly wasted a chunk of cash on them already.
It's not your fault that you "lost" in court, altho I don't know you personally, I'm sure you did your best with what you knew + resources at hand! As I said, the game is rigged from the get-go. You + your kids only win by not being in the legal system.
THE FC BS is a hard lesson for us all, but we have to learn to let it go!!
