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Appeal - By:Brian P from Vic, Aust on October 16, 2016 @ 12:04 am

@Dean, an appeal can be a waste of time, money and cost you more if unsuccessful, if you have money to take of course. You will need to show where Mag erred in fact, weighting evidence, law and above all show detriment to your girls, besides the fact they love and need their Dad and will miss him terribly. It's not a simple process, requiring knowledge of legal process and emotional detachment.

Did you have a residence application in at trial?

I notice you had 6 days/fn which is not uncommon following consent/court orders from an interim hearing. Some may say this time split is all about settling kids into a new routine and seeing who they align with, others say it's about lawyers making a quid from exacerbating the battle and positioning a client best for trial. All in all it's generally a load of BS and a racket our families should never be a part off!

Trouble is when a parent becomes the primary carer, and especially if the other parent has little contact, ie. 2/3 nights/fn, they can do as they like and move where they like. It's not a ground for appeal that will entertained favourably. Some parents move farther.

I personally would drop the appeal idea, lick your wounds after this battle and regroup. Get yourself fixed up, head straight and feeling good before contemplating your next moves. ie. whether a) you want to move closer to your Ex for the good of the kids and more time or b) accept what is for now, adjust and plan for something better for yourself and your kids. Keep in mind that kids circumstances change and a fresh application down the track maybe needed or maybe your ex isn't too bad and will give you more time.

Just a few thoughts for you brother to keep your spirits high, and knowing that nothing has been lost. You have plenty of options up your sleeve. Of course there is no silver bullet answer as everyone's perception and situation is different.

process /chance of successful appeal to - By:dean from wa, australia on February 22, 2016 @ 6:04 pm

hi. i want to appeal a family court decision made at trial. i had 43% time with my two girls 4 and 6yo, but my ex had her orders accepted whereby she was allowed to relocate 250 ks away and i now only have onee weekend a fortnight with my children. the magistrates (sutherland) decision was biased. it was made without fact and i woukd be suprised if she more than sped read my addidavit. not i attempted to adjourn the trial because i was not prepared but was knocked back. i did not have all my evidence / witnesses etc. i was self representing aand qithout money am finding it difficult getting advice. thankyou if anyone can help of point me in the right direction.

Self employed Mum receiving child suppor - By:Anthony from ACT, Australia on February 21, 2016 @ 6:31 pm

My ex has been running her own businesses for years. In 2007, she was being assessed by CSA as earning $3192 per annum which was used by CSA as her annual income and by Centrelink for Family Tax Benefit purposes. I appealed this and after being rejected twice by CSA and then CSA objections took it to the Administrative Appeals Trbunal. They re-set her wage at $60K after looking at deductions that CSA refused to take into account. My ex then sold her business, advised CSA which then re-set her annual income as being $3192. In the meantime she started a new business which, by her lifestyle incorporating cars, overseas travel and home rental of a home on the Gold Coast that sold for just under $1 million just prior to her renting it, would seem to demonstrate that her earnings are reasonably significant (she has not re-partnered). Based on QLD Real Estate Institute data, the average rent paid on properties in 2015 was 5.2% of the gross value. Based on $1 million this would be $52K net or approximately $70K gross. I advised CSA. They made one phone call to the mother, did not ask for rental receipts or a copy of the lease and concluded that her current assessable income of $18K will not be changed. We hear all the time of paying parents (usually fathers) who are self employed, reducing their income to pay less child support. CSA actively pursue the, However they seem to have little interest in pursuing a mother who is in receipt of child support for minimising her income and not being able to show how she affords the lifestyle she is living. I now have little choice but once again to take this to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. Has anyone had similar issues and can anyone advise how extensively CSA should be investigating receiving parents who are self employed in comparison to how they investigate paying parents who are self employed. Thanks.

More on fines and mortgages - By:Taz from SA, Oz on January 30, 2016 @ 1:10 pm

thanks all for a fine job. any chance more info on fines and mortgages could be put up to help those of us who are struggling??

give them no authority - By:Bill from sa, australia on July 9, 2016 @ 1:22 am

can we just ignore all these corporations that mess with our family + rob us blind..im sick of it. seems we are best not to contract with them giving them no authority or jurisdiction?

Government Justice System misgoverned - By:Linda Jay from WA, Australia on October 13, 2015 @ 1:50 pm

Lawyers and Magistrates are ruled by the courts legislations rules and Laws passed by the Government. Many of these were passed in 1975 Family Law Act . Many have been updated I believe not followed by the Lawyers or Magistrates. http://www.australia.gov.au/ Sorry Day and the Stolen Generations The first National Sorry Day was held on 26 May 1998 – one year after the tabling of the report Bringing them Home, May 1997. The report was the result of an inquiry by the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission into the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families.
These children who were removed came to be known as the Stolen Generations. The best to my knowledge removal of any Australian child from a parent who is not mistreated or neglected is stolen. When is the Government going to realise we are all human no matter what colour,race or gender? When is the Government going to say sorry to all the innocent parents, children and families they are destroying? When does the human rights and equal opportunity Commission pass and follow legislations set out by the United Nations?
United Nations Convention
on the Rights of the Child. Convention on the Rights of the Child

Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by General Assembly resolution 44/25 of 20 November 1989
entry into force 2 September 1990, in accordance with article 49
Preamble Article 9 Children should not be separated from their parents unless it is for their own good. For
example, if a parent is mistreating or neglecting a child. Children whose parents have separated
have the right to stay in contact with both parents, unless this might harm the child. Article 18 Both parents share responsibility for bringing
up their children and should always consider what is best for each child. Governments
should help parents by providing services to support them, especially if both parents work 25 years the Australian Government appears to have failed to pass many legislations and to follow the legislation, Laws set out by the United Nations.
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Who is accountable for destroying our ch - By:Linda Jay from WA, Australia on October 13, 2015 @ 1:32 pm

Linda Jay It's not just the Mother, Father and children who suffer through this traumatic time. This affects the family as a whole, Grandparents when your grandchildren have been taken from you, when you've played a major part in their life. I believe the Magistrates need a psychiatrist degree, in my opinion many parents in the courts have a mental disorder which should be recognised by the Magistrates and DCP representative. Every Mother Father child should be accessed by a psychiatrist / psychologist before going to court. It's an absolute disgrace how the Justice System can take children from innocent parents/families for months /years, then after the final hearing say 50 / 50. No consequences for the abducting parent, no consequences for the courts for destroying innocent children. Someone has to take responsibility and be accountable for these inhumane, cruel actions. The Courts are there in the best interest of the children. Not The children who have been alienated behaviors are disturbing, confusing and often frightening, to the child, and can rob the child of their sense of security and safety leading to maladaptive emotional or psychiatric reactions.
Alienation is damaging to children's mental and emotional well-being, deprive children of their right to be loved by and showing love for both of their parents.

Child support - By:Ky from nsw, Australia on June 24, 2016 @ 6:21 am

After being abused by my ex husband he took my 3 children. He still has 100% time with my 11 and 14 yr old and I have 35% time with my 7 year old. I pay 100% child support for the older 2 and almost as much for my 7yr old which is almost $400 per week. My ex works full time and earns aboove $85000. At the end of the day I am left with little to pay for my rent (he also took every assest we owned) and food. He is constantly harrassing me to pay more for the kids sports, pets, school excursions etc. I already pay for my youngest medical bills that are exceeding $2500 per year along with my daughters dance fees (even though I get 0% time with her) and my eldest sons mobile phone bill (even though I get 0% time with him). The ex is fixated on the statement "CS is for basics not anything else" mind you he enjoys a wonder social life and it is not uncommon for him to wine and dine up to twice a week with his friends. Despite my cs payments and 0% access and the extra I pay for the kids he still harrasses me for more money for their 'extra curricula' events and interests (as he puts it). I dont feel I should have to keep paying out money when I am forced to pay 100% CS to someone who earns a large full time income. I have started to refuse to cough up any more money, mostly becasue I cant afford it. Id like to see what other people think, if a party pays 100% child support should they be expected to pay for half of every other event/interest they decide they want to do? At what point would you say no, enough, you took the kids, you get 100% support paid on time every week its time you are responsible for the financial costs? Opinions please....

Australia Concern http://www.f4joz.com/ - By:Glenn from NSW, Australia on August 8, 2015 @ 8:22 pm

I have a concern this web page has an association with a facebook page https://www.facebook.com/dumbassfathersrights?fref=ts

On the face book page: Stupid Stuff Australian Fathers Rights Guys Say
The website in the about section is http://www.f4joz.com/

If this site has no affiliation then please clear it up as there is no way I as a Father/Man will be discussing matters on this forum only to be harassed by a face book page with this web address

Thanks

Glenn

Admin: No affiliation whatsoever Glenn.

260. child support - By:micheal from Tasmania, Australia on July 27, 2015 @ 7:09 pm

my ex owes 60,000 in child support what happens when my child turns 18 ??

Appeal - By:Brick from Vic, Aus on July 11, 2015 @ 8:24 pm

I was able to come right and my apeal lodged & paid for - both transcript & apeal registration
thank you

What happens now - By:Frank from Texas, Usa on July 10, 2015 @ 10:00 am

I didn't have a job at time of court they imputed a minimum wage income now I might be getting a job but of course it will be 20% or more than what they imputed it's inly been 6 months since court date and I have never missed a payment what happens if I do get this job does my payment go up ???

Appeal - By:Brick from Vic, Aus on July 9, 2015 @ 12:19 pm

I was able to come right and my apeal lodged & paid for - both transcript & apeal registration
thank you

Help - By:Brick from Vic, Australia on June 2, 2015 @ 9:41 am

What I lost is not in issue, what is an issue, is that my daughters have lost a father, if the judgement stands

The mother has been given sole parental responsibility and must assist the children if they express their wishes to see their dad

Given the situation, it will not happen for so many reasons, none of which is that they don't want to see me

Given my experience in the family court, as well as in regard to defending an intervention order, I can't find fault with your description of the Australian Justice System

As regards the remainder of your advice, there is no other life, if I were to abandon my girls

I will fight this till the last drop of blood in my body and if this appeal doesn't succeed, I will carry on in whatever other way I can find

Help - By:Pikey from Vic, Oz on May 31, 2015 @ 5:30 pm

What did you lose Jan + what were the orders?

In FC it's all magic tricks that string along unsuspecting + emotionally vulnerable people to maximise games + the looting of assets. The game's rigged from the outset.

Simply, if primary carer wants to maintain that status quo, the game played is no co-operation/communication + go to trial. Most don't understand the outcome does not come from the evidence in court, or lack thereof, the theatrics in trial are just to provide an excuse (judgment) to keep kids with mum or dad (if he pays the big $$$ to a lawyer that trumps other junior). Lawyers are craftsmen + play a very clever money game of deception.

Save your $4700+ and do your best to adjust + walk away for the time being, which can be extremely hard I know.

You are best to have a break, re-evaluate your position + kid/s welfare + if necessary, begin a fresh approach with Ex down the track or new application if need be as children's circumstances change. Forget lawyers, you possibly wasted a chunk of cash on them already.

It's not your fault that you "lost" in court, altho I don't know you personally, I'm sure you did your best with what you knew + resources at hand! As I said, the game is rigged from the get-go. You + your kids only win by not being in the legal system.

THE FC BS is a hard lesson for us all, but we have to learn to let it go!!

Help .. - By:Jan Brand from Vic, Australia on May 30, 2015 @ 5:09 pm

I received Judgement on my Family Court hearing, ordering that presumption of ¨equal shared parental responsibility¨ is rebutted, because it is not in the child´s best interest if the parents are ¨unable to communicate effectively and cooperate¨ and that this had occurred since the specified date on which the mother obtained an interim intervention order.

In support of this decision, the court used examples of text messages sent to the father, by the mother, wherein she abuses him after separation (before the intervention order) and also refer to arguments between the parents, which occurred prior to separation and prior to the intervention order.

There was no direct communication between the parents after / since the date on which the mother obtained an interim intervention order, due to the legal constraints and the fact that the mother was represented by Vic Legal Aid.

I was self-represented.

Prior to the hearing, neither party raised the argument of ¨inability to communicate effectively and cooperate¨ and this issue was first raised in final summary, based solely on the nature of text messages sent to the father, from the mother – I did not have any opportunity to rebut this argument.

No evidence was presented with regards to any actual instances of parental decision making, where the parents were unable to put their differences aside

In cross examination, I testified that the text messages reflected only a portion of the communication between the parents and did not give a complete picture of the communication

The Mother gave no evidence relating to this issue

I believe that the judgement contains a number of ¨factual errors¨, in addition to the above, and I will be lodging an appeal.

Given my financial constraints, I have a bit of an issue, as I have received a quote of $4 700 to obtain the transcript of hearing.

I can get a loan for the amount required, subject to obtaining a properly experienced and qualified legal opinion on the merits of my appeal.

Which creates a bit of a chicken egg situation, as -

1.I need to find a lawyer / barrister who would be willing to give an opinion on the merits of the appeal, before confirming the stated facts to the transcript, and
2.I will now have to find the funds to pay the lawyer / barrister for the opinion

Publication of the judgement, as Brick & Brick has been approved pursuant to S 121(9)(g), intended to create a precedent case of this issue.

This precedent will therefore create another opportunity for mothers to control access to the children, by refusing to co-parent and by constantly abusing the father in text messages.

No marriage break-up, that ends up in Family Court, is on friendly terms, and this judgement will give malicious mothers another opportunity to nullify the presumption of shared parental responsibility - if I am unsuccessful in my appeal

I do realise that I might appear to be a bit cheeky and a self-serving beggar, but ask if there may be a qualified and experienced lawyer or barrister, interested and able to assist, or who would like to ensure that the rights of fathers are not restricted even further, by this precedent.

I can prepare and present my arguments, with reference to all the documents presented to court, but would need someone who would be willing to give an opinion on the merits of my arguments, ¨subject to confirmation of facts to the transcript¨ and who also would be willing to negotiate on the fee

Thanks

csa debt out of thin air. - By:being ripped off from qld, Australia on May 22, 2015 @ 8:31 am

i'm in trouble and don't know what to do ?.maybe someone can help?.
i recently did my tax returns back to 2006 and the tax office mucked it up and somehow someone else's income go added to my tfn ,although i got that ammended and fixed ,it raised my income with csa suddenly i had a bill for ny 20 year old son of some 15000 dollars when i asked csa to wipe the debt because it is a false value they told me the isn't anything i can do ,because they can't take into account amended tax income ,this can't be right the money doesn't exist!!how can i be liable for income that i have not recieved ,i am on welfare payments and noway can i take a debt of 15 000 that i have not accruded it's ridiculous the csa say sorry but there is nothing they can do it's the rules .at wits end.

Can CSA take a lunp sum from me - By:AngryAussie from Qld, Australia on April 10, 2015 @ 7:07 pm

Hi there,
I have a question about compensation payments from an accident and I owe CSA $20,000 in arrears. My solicitor handling the accident informs me that once my compensation is settled, the CSA will take the balance outstanding to them in one lump sum from my settlement !
Apparently he has to inform the tax office to check id I owe tax and it filters through to the CSA ?
Can someone verify this as being correct pls ?

Kind Regards

Child Support Reassessment? - By:SB from NSW, Australia on June 24, 2016 @ 12:42 am

I found out through back channels (a friend of a friend of a cousin type thing) that my ex is struggling financially but I know he won't talk to me about it...he is too proud. Anyway, does anyone know if he can have his child support reassessed through CSA to take his new financial situation into consideration?

At this stage I am studying nursing at uni, working at a nursing home & have the kids almost entirely myself (he can only have them one weekend a month due to work commitments) so I can't pick up any more hours at work so I need him to have a reassessment (rather than us just agreeing for him to pay less) so the small amount of family tax benefit I get will increase (assuming his CS goes down).

He is a good man & I don't want to see him being ground down by finances.

250. Where, how, who & why not just close the - By:Jan from Vic, Aus on February 22, 2015 @ 9:44 am

2 & a half years ago, my wife & I split up
The reasons were not uncommon & also, what seems to be, not uncommon, is that she started restricting my time with my daughters

After about 8 months, I had jumped through all the legal hoops to get to the round table mediation, required before subpoena can be issued for a legal custody case (through legal aid)

At that point I was issued with a interim family violence order, claiming child abuse and spousal violence & abuse - the mediation was immediately cancelled, as was my approval from vic legal aid

Over the past 2 years I have been found not guilty of child abuse, I have been prodded and poked to assess my sexual risk factors & all the rest, that the legal system can come up with, and required me to pay for, together with defence attorneys who are so conditioned to the system, that they do not consider the possibility of fighting the system (in retrospect, they may be right) in addition to learning that the attorneys that I can afford, believe that they are paid for their mere presence, and in my case, where they failed to appear on an occassion, which gave the court the opening to grant custody to the mother)

In either event, I decided that the only / best option available was self representing

In December last year, it reached the point where the Family court date was set for February 2015 (directions) and the interim intervention for May 2015, for contest. In the intervention hearing (in December) I attempted to apply for revocation, based on subsequent events, and was shot down by the magistrate, to the point that I felt ridiculed

On calling Vic Legal Aid for a legal opinion, I was told that it would be impossible but, being a stubborn bugger, I applied for a seperate court date to hear my application for "leave to apply for revocation / amendment" and was granted leave, by a lady magistrate who stated that my grounds were valid and even commented that aspects of the interim intervention order were invalid

After that, I started to get some kind of hope and for the hearing on my application, last week, I felt that I had covered every relevant legal section in my working summary, which I gave to the duty lawyer, as I was legally prevented from representing myself and questioning the "protected person"

On entering the court, the first of my disappointments was to see that the presiding magistrate was the same one who I felt had ridiculed me. The second was when he mentioned that he remembered his comments to me. The 3rd was when he asked the duty lawyer what the point of my application was, when the original order was set for contest in May. Next was her reply that it was merely her "clients wish" - this despite the fact that I had pointed out to her that this aspect had been addressed when I was granted "leave to apply" at this point I was getting rather despondent and tapped her in the shoulder & reminded her to, at least, mention the aspects of the order which the lady magistrate had pointed out as invalid - she brushed me off & effectively telling me to sit down & not interfere - she did not mention a word about it

The final blow came when the magistrate said that the interim order had been going on for more than 2 years and he did not see any point in having a seperate hearing for the revocation, while contest was set for 2 months time - he then postponed hearing on my revocation application, to the same date as the contest hearing, set in May - effectively negating the "Leave Granted" by the lady magistrate

This is the justice which I am expecting to find in the Family Court & magistrates court and I am scared sh#tless

PS - I might mention that, at the magistrates court, my ex claimed to be in fear of her life and got a court volunteer to hold her hand while waiting and during the course of the hearing - I am sure that the magistrate knows the volunteers and can recognise the implications of her presence
She even got a policeman to accompany her to her car
I have never been violent, or even threatened to be violent, to a woman in my life!!!!

csa garnish - By:johnsie from qld, oz on January 30, 2015 @ 8:57 am

hey justin...csa like any corporate power structure masquerading as some legit govt dept can do anything they like, and do everyday, whether it is lawful, contractually fair, honourable or according to common sense + decency. Unless your agreement is recorded (writing/audio) they can just lie their asses off + deny it. police, lawyers + the legal system do it everyday so why not csa? having said that + without knowing the specifics of any said agreement, i would stick firm to the agreement you had verbally + make them honour it, sounding strong in your conviction and speaking to whomever or do whatever it takes to have the csa honour their side of the agreement...they're slippery + slimy little f**kers.

Garnish bank.. - By:Justin from Vic, Australia on July 10, 2015 @ 4:42 pm

Hi all, can someone help me with understanding where I stand on this one. I lsot my job at end of last finacial year and got a payout. This meant my CS rose $8,000 even tho I still don't have any perminant work( bit of casual work here and there). Last Friday the 23/1/15 I made an arrangement with the CSA. This Tuesday the 27/1/15 my bank account was garnished $1000 by the CSA becuase I still had $2,000 to my name. Can they do this even though we had made an arrangement 4 days earlier?

Batty as - By:Alien Parent from Nsw, Australia on January 28, 2015 @ 10:42 pm

Rosie Batty is too well versed in feminist narrative to be the sweet little angel she is being made out to be. I smell a rat, and it formally enters us into an anti father era.

My guess is she was an absolute task master hard arse and made the father's life hell, as much as she could, until somewhere in there he snapped. The end result we all know. I make this assumption based on what I've experienced, seen of others and read.

I'm not saying the father is innocent and blameless, he shouldn't have done that, but he is now the easy target who can't defend himself. In fact, everything about him is left up to her description of him. No questions asked. We know very little of his circumstances.

The big lesson out of this is mothers who make life difficult to see kids should know that you are making the father extremely frustrated, so it's best not to do that or all hell can break loose. I am not seeing this description. It's all, geez, we'd better get dads away from kids quick smart. Ex fathers must be dangerous.

It's a total witch hunt attitude. Humans do this in one form or another repeatedly throughout history. The ex father is today's witch.

The scary thing is my very own circumstances could easily be framed exactly the same as this guy has been, with the exception I've never threatened anyone with death. If I killed myself, the story could easily read just like his, but I'm no monster, just a weak humble guy who got caught up with an angry dominating feminist. Im Completely non violent but officially accused of violence because I got fed up with years of abuse and defended myself verbally.

The 2nd big lesson out of it is ex fathers, you must never top yourself. When you lose your kids we all think about it. By suicide you let them dominate the narrative. Even if you leave a note, people will ignore it. And don't think self sabotage will get you anywhere. People are not compassionate enough to react to that. And further more, your ex probably wants you to do it, nothing would make her happier. If you die, you're counted as mentally I'll and forgotten about, simple as that.

Any male accused of violence post Batty is in big strife.

If you ever want to see your kid post break up, you'd better have a nice ex, because if they want to have you removed from the picture, the police will believe her, and so will the judge. They just have to cry violence, the truth is now completely irrelevant, and society is cheering it on all the way.

It is now very important to keep your depression quiet to them. Yes seek help but do NOT tell mediators or your ex about it. Any male with depression is not going anywhere near kids post Batty. All that if you have depression seek help advice is total bullshit. Lefties love mental illness, until it's an ex father, then they'll use it against you.

We have entered a seriously dark era for ex fathers, because no one gives a shit about you, this is just a plain and simple fact, they don't, you're just another evil Mr Anderson (batty's ex) no questions asked.

dna - By:bazza from vic, aust on August 6, 2016 @ 10:46 am

damn...complex + BIG decision...2 main ways alby 1) say nothing, maybe get a 2nd test, enjoy the joys +/or liability of the child at least until 18, remembering fathering isn't just about being a biological donor. Or 2) if you feel you can't be a dad for whatever reason, get a 2nd test just to be sure, confront your ex demanding an explanation, cut all ties for the record + get something in writing from Ex stating your not true father voiding csa liability. From then, if you both want to be parents, then at least you have a choice knowing the truth + be a father the best way you can. Remember, if you do speak up + child is not yours, mother may take child away for good.

HELP! - By:Alby Why from Queensland, Australia on August 26, 2016 @ 12:52 am

I was in a relationship with a lady which ended before the birth of "our" child. Since her birth early last year I have been paying maintenance and seeing the child daily. We recently had a fight and she got nasty so I did a Home DNA test through Home DNA Direct without her knowledge. I've now just found out I'm NOT the father! What do I do, I'm ropeable and devastated all at once. Genuine advice would be greatly appreciated please.

P.R.A.C.A.I. - By:Sarita Love from Somerset, England on December 21, 2014 @ 2:02 am

Hi there I have been observing researching and gathering information and experience on this topic and have come to an interesting conclusion.

When a faction in a greater dynamic is made in effect obsolete, it is up to supporting factions to step in.

If it is mothers/women who have the greater presence in court, then the healing must begin here.

So many women are wounded and full of fear and blame and many have closed themselves to ideas of men being of any benefit to them or their children at all.

There are women struggling for greater control in their lives after experiences akin to nightmares, largely sporting men at the helm of their sinking ships.

How can a whole race be bad and rotten to the core? Men and women are born equally in the world and when they are in love and creating families, the inequalities that arise, are between them as a couple to sort out. Yet when they split up - men are effectively, dissolved.

Our family court system has many female contributors effecting the choices that are made for our children.

Are they neutral? Do they themselves have a history of difficulty with men? What was their relationship like with their fathers? What unresolved history are they attempting to purge?

The healing must begin by awaking women to the responsibility that they are currently asleep to. Feeling supported and often vitriolic in court room scenarios, women are being substantially naive and NOT considering their children as they preen themselves in the judges uninformed and limited light.

All strength to Fathers $ Justice. If you want another admin, writer, or anything else that I can contribute, please get in touch.

All love
Sarita

Dumped to the kerb by the system - By:Scott from Somerset, United Kingdom on July 9, 2016 @ 1:22 am

Hey,
Just wanted to vent my story with people who may understand. I lived in Melbourne for 11 years, moving there after meeting my Australian wife as she worked in the UK. We were married and have 2 beautiful boys.
I was in an emotionally abusive relationship and was close to suicide on a coupleof occasions. I could not escape the relationship as she used the kids to draw me back and continue her abuse.
I had enough and I chose the lesser of two evils, and flew back to the UK. Yep, I fled the country to get away from her toxic ways. That was over 3 years ago now. I have dealt with all the friends that listened to her side only and turn their backs on me. I have come to terms with the severe drop in my income as UK wages are not as good as Australian ones, but I struggle everyday that I do not get to excercise my right to be in my childrens lives without her being that gatekeeper. I have tried to engage lawyers, but they dont really want to touch my case as I am not in Australia, and UK lawyers wont touch Victorian law. We have 3 properties that I have not managed to sort out financial settlement as she has blatantly ignored my request so she gets everything.
I am in a legal limbe where no one wants to touch my case and I do not get to be in my kids lives unless my controlling ex wife says so.
CSA are on my back (which I pay) but they have grossly miscalculated and have completely disregarded appeals I have made to have the amount adjusted so it is relative to my UK income.
To feel that my situation is 'ignored' by the system and I can just rot in the corner brings me down, every single day!!
Anyway, vent over, thanks for listening!!!

By:Jayjay from Vic, Australia on February 21, 2016 @ 7:26 pm

Thanx Chris. It's really stressing me out!!! What will happen if I can reduce my hours of work to say 4days a week? Or if I quit my work and my wife goes to work full time (I don't really want my house wife to go to work full time :(. )
What happens if I have an asset ( house under me and my wife's name but still owing 180k worth 500k.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Jayjay - By:Chris from Tasmania, Australia on February 21, 2016 @ 7:30 pm

Read my posts below, that's how it all starts. You won't like this but my honest advise to you to to pay the $1400 back ASAP - even if you have to borrow to do so. I know that it sucks but I now owe $80k, have you got a statement, if so have a look at the amount set as late payment fee/ interest - I can gaurentee you it will be more than your whole payment - honestly pay the any outstanding ASAP! For your own sake

240. Csa - By:jayjay from Vic, Australia on February 21, 2016 @ 7:26 pm

By: Jay jay from Vic, Australia on December 1, 2014 @ 5:11 pm AEST
Is this a load of B.S????
I am in the arrears of $1400. I earn only $51k and they currently take out $76 pw prior to court case. Now the will start taking out an additional $58 because I am in the arrears, how can they do this as my wife does not work and we have a 5 yr old child together. Can someone urgently help with some info please!!!!!!!
So I can't feed my family cause the so called other child that I have not seen since after his birth for 11 years is more important then my current family??.?.?.??.?.?

This isn't right. Can I get some advice please??

First I was told it wasn't mine 11 years ago and I got kicked out of where I was living with her, now she's filed for child support etc. paternity test is done and all and I am the father but it's total B.S

pay csa with promissory note - By:mick from vic, australia on November 13, 2014 @ 1:18 pm

chris: google promissory note & view the many forms of wording etc. its simply a promise to pay x amount in y way over z time. Write it to completely fit your needs. PN's were a precursor to contracts. The problem is tho with CSA they already have a garnishee on your wages so there is no reason for them to contract with you in any other way & not accept the PN, despite whether they lawfully should. You'd have to quit your job to eliminate garnishee order & play poor boy on the record for awhile & then attempt to negotiate with CSA to settle debt with PN or form of contract that you draft. Alternatively, strike a deal with your ex to pay her $10k lump sum now as opposed to waiting for $40k which may never come. Anyway, just thoughts & remember to always keep in honour as a man & father.

Promissory note - By:Chris from Tasmania, Australia on November 13, 2014 @ 12:28 pm

Thanks Mick,

A few questions if I may, are there any limitations on how car in the future?
As I live week to week, can it be broken into a payment structure over time?
I would hate to take one out and not be able to pay it - that would make my debt around the $40k mark, and as I don't own a house or anything even that would be a struggle - also worth mentioning is that both my children are now over 18 yo thus I am not longer paying - just the debt !!
Again thanks everyone!

pay csa with promissory note - By:mick from vic, australis on November 13, 2014 @ 11:44 am

Get all fees deducted from $80k first then pay balance with a promissory note as it is a legal instrument. Just put up article in news section as a starter...you have nothing to lose & everything to gain...cheers

Late fees legal?? - By:Ross from NSW, Oz on November 13, 2014 @ 11:16 am

Chris -- firstly I can empathize with you mate as many people are being screwed by an out of control system. There is no rhyme or reason, fairness or one specific answer i can suggest save quit being an employee paying voluntary tax and hence no garnish + have no assets in your name -- ie. be a broke strawman. When ex PM Fraser said in 70's people better hide their money under the mattress, he wasn't kidding, as countless people each day awake to this truth.

The CSA, FamCrt, Police, Fines, Councils + defacto govts under martial law have all gone mad for power + control + a money grab suppressing people in the process. Also perhaps learn that you're a lawful man Chris and not a legal fictional person subject to their statutes + jurisdiction. As said before, no one quick solution + do not consent to their unlawful rubbish.

Late fees legal?? - By:Chris from Tasmania, Australia on November 12, 2014 @ 8:30 pm

Hi Ross and thanks for a speedy reply.
Firstly I am the first to admit that I have not made volantrty payments thus my pay is garnished - fair enough, I have no problem with this. I don't have the actual figures with me as I throw them out - the whe system makes me physically ill!!!
As soon as you have a debt with them, they will slap a late fee/payment penalty on me. I will call them and request a statement in the next few days. However as I said my pay is always garnished and yet every month I get a late fee. The end result is that I now have a debt in the area of around $80,000 - of which half is due to interest and late fees. Then I be a call from them requesting my yearly income, provide this to them and make the mistake of telling them that I am heading overseas for a quick holiday - BAM I now have a departure prevention order on me - a holiday my wife saved for and paid for!!!
I am and have always been a low wage earner ( hospitality will do that to you) I will post up full details ASAP .
But how can an $80000 debt consist of 50% interest???

Late fee charges legal?? - By:Ross from NSW, Oz on November 12, 2014 @ 7:10 pm

Chris, can you explain more about the CSA charging you a monthly $240 late fee, as this sounds unconscionable on top of everything else they unlawfully do.

Late fee charges legal?? - By:Chris from Tasmania, Australia on November 12, 2014 @ 6:32 pm

Hi all,
New poster here, for years I have had support dedicated from my pay, and yet I am continuously hit with a monthly late payment fee of approx. $240 which makes my payment actually go backwards.
With the bank being taken to task lately, does anyone think that it may be worthwhile pursuing a similar law suit as the banks are facing - just posing the question????

Binding Agreement - By:ray from NSW, Australia on October 12, 2014 @ 9:28 am

My situation has been going on prior to 1991 and here I am over 23 years later and I am still fighting CSA. My ex sent an agreement through her solicitor to my solicitor all those years ago with an agreement she put forward to me to look at, I signed it as it was reasonable and my solicitor thought so too.
Now after all these years I have a CSA debt of over 75K plus they have stopped me now travelling overseas, they harass me non stop.
CSA do not even follow their own rules as there is a page on their own web site that states What is a binding agreement. Things went sour with my ex many years ago after we separated and when she told CSA that we didn't have an agreement ( Even though I produced all the proof ) CSA said they knew she was lying because I gave them the copy of the document along with receipts signed by my ex they couldn't do anything unless she told them to stop chasing me, even though I also produced a copy of their own letter dated 1993 stating that both parties were happy with the agreement. The system is wrong and Men definitely get discriminated against .I kept giving CSA the information of where my ex was working getting paid cash in hand , they never once followed it up even though my ex was also on the pension, the point that CSA will not see is that if they had done their job and followed up the information my ex would have been charged with fraud ( Claiming the pension whilst working ) and because she was working she was not entitled to child support which meant that I would not have this massive debt hanging over my head still. I have just recently started a new family and this is causing me and my new family so much stress and financial problems.

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I am doing research on fathers, shared parenting, and related areas. I have been working on this area for about 25 years, mainly in Canada. I am now looking at the Global Shared Parenting movement and would like to do interviews with those in Australia and New Zealand. Please let me know if there are those you are in contact with who are interested in being interviewed.
If you are interested in being part of the book and sharing your views on the Family Law system, the Fathers’ Rights/Parenting Movement, and
related issue, that would be very helpful. I am interested in interviewing fathers, mothers, grandmothers, grandfathers, and others
who have been impacted by the Family Law System. All interviews will be confidential and those being interviewed will remain anonymous in
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Kenedy, R. (2004). Fathers For Justice: The Rise of a New Social Movement in Canada as a Case Study of Collective Identity. Ann Arbor: Caravan Books.
Kenedy, R. (2006). Researching the intersection between collective identity and conceptions of post-separation and divorced fatherhood: Fathers for justice, fathers for just us, or fathers are us? Qualitative Sociology Review, 2 (2), 75-97.
Kenedy, R. (2011). Moral panic: Male studies and the spectrum of denial. New Male Studies: An International Journal, 1 (1), 52-60.
Kenedy, R. (2014). “Do Fathers Matter? Post-Divorced Transitions Regarding Mental Health and Suicide Ideation Among Fathers in a Canadian Context”. In R. Kenedy, (Ed.) Senator Cools’ Roundtable and Symposium on Family Dynamics Proceedings Senate of Canada. Published by the Senate of Canada.
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Fight against distorted view - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on August 17, 2014 @ 10:02 pm

I would like to highlight a few submissions from individuals and organisations that have put forward some of the man's concerns. I wish more submissions like these. The inquiry status is still at Accepting Submissions, which means you can still put yours in.

Senate Inquiry: Domestic violence in Australia

Individual submissions
Neville
Albert
Dr. Elizabeth Celi
Emanuel

Organisational submissions
Lone Fathers Association (Australia)
Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting)
One in Three Campaign

Obviously, there are other good submissions to read. However, there are some alarming submissions that continue to misrepresent the fact, and continue to paint a distorted picture to cover up abusive women to cause more sufferings to fathers/men and their children.

Fight against distorted view - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on July 20, 2014 @ 9:01 pm

James, thanks for your view. We're basically sucked into an anti male judiciary system which have been evolved over time without much notice by men until damages are badly done to them and their children. All possibly because men seem reluctant to take action as summed up very well by BigJoe from Victoria - What are Men? (scroll down to read it in this forum). But I am not so sure if no action will actually bring out good result, I think the reality tells us otherwise. The point is not turning to the government, but to turn men into a big voice that government cannot ignore anymore. We first let the government have a distorted view on male as perpetrator, then it bases on this distorted view to build other policies, little by little, we are loosing ground. Now, it's time to stand up and fight. Fighting back in big or small way, collectively will make a huge difference. May I share with you and others a quote from Thomas Jefferson?

"The germ of destruction is in the power of the Judiciary, an irresponsible body - working like gravity by night and day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless steps like a thief over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall render powerless the checks of one branch over the other and will become venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."

DV - By:James R from Vic, Australia on July 20, 2014 @ 2:57 pm

Domestic violence that occurs against men, women or children is unacceptable, no one argues with that. However, turning to governments and corporations for more policies giving greater control powers to the courts, police, human services and other authorities is only a recipe for more abuse, victims and theft. The Domestic Violence Industry, like the legal industry is just another industry to promote and support the carnage of broken families. The hidden agendas behind these sort of inquiries is anyone guess, but be sure it won't be in the best interests of the all family members and the "family unit". It will be a cash grab, more stealing of assets, and land, especially in the case of our "originals" [our dark skinned ancestors commonly referred to as aborigines, more family destruction and so on. When people give their power away to governments, they trade their rights for privileges and duties. A BIG No No my comrades. The answer and secret lay simply in the strength of families sticking together for safety and working through such marriage or relationship issues as they arise. What's more people are always free to leave the relationship and settle up their financials, just go and ask those who have been through the family court over the past four decades. Every inquiry that comes about almost inevitably makes life more complex for the common people or one group or another. The inquiry back in 2004-06 that was suppose to make custody and child support fairer for fathers, yet it ended up giving the CSA greater powers including taking money directly out of bank accts, screw certain non-custodial parents while letting other more cunning self serving parents off. Many genuine families and individuals were left struggling as a result.
Many organisations also see inquiries as an opportunity to further their anti-family, marxist and financial agendas. Have govts provide resources and funding to all recipients who need help and support, but as far as other policies, people need to have govts keep their dirty snouts out off the trough.
"The Australian government has launched a $100 million Second Action Plan to stop domestic violence and violence against women and their children." [From DV article link in comment below], one can only conjure what form of anti male bashing and deprivation is on the way for males and fathers. However, as Abbott is historically a woman abuser and anti-feminist, I doubt the money will reach any real victims, but more or less have the money siphoned through a few mates companies for some easy returns, possibly as compensation for a few favours. Isn't this how it works in politics and big business when power brokers with poor integrity and values exert their racial tendencies?

Fight against distorted view - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on July 19, 2014 @ 10:24 pm

There is a parliament inquiry on 'Domestic Violence in Australia" by the Senate Finance and Public Administration Committees, due by 31 July 2014. There is no doubt that the government has a very distorted view against male citizens. You are more than welcome to put your submission in for your views to fight against this distorted view as there are so many fabricated/invented violence falsely accused men causing them and their children to suffer. Please see details below.

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Finance_and_Public_Administration/Domestic_Violence

On 26 June 2014, the following matter was referred to the Finance and Public Administration References Committee for inquiry and report by the 27 October 2014:

a. the prevalence and impact of domestic violence in Australia as it affects all Australians and, in particular, as it affects:

- women living with a disability, and
- women from Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander backgrounds;

b. the factors contributing to the present levels of domestic violence;

c. the adequacy of policy and community responses to domestic violence;

d. the effects of policy decisions regarding housing, legal services, and women‘s economic independence on the ability of women to escape domestic violence;

e. how the Federal Government can best support, contribute to and drive the social, cultural and behavioural shifts required to eliminate violence against women and their children; and

f. any other related matters.

Submissions closing date is 31 July 2014. The reporting date is 27 October 2014.

The committee will not be considering or examining any material that relates solely to personal cases or grievances. The committee process is not a forum to resolve these issues but to explore the adequacy of policy responses and the effects of policy settings regarding housing, legal services and women’s economic independence on their ability to escape violence.

Committee Secretariat contact:

Senate Finance and Public Administration Committees
PO Box 6100
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600

Phone: +61 2 6277 3439
Fax: +61 2 6277 5809
fpa.sen@aph.gov.au

Bad governing - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on July 19, 2014 @ 9:54 pm

Tony Abbott is burning huge amount of public money away to please antisocial feminist.

http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/top-stories/tony-abbott-pledges-$100-million-to-fight-domestic-violence/201406274237#.U8pbHLE08or

It really make me feel sick when a female perpetrator who committed serious violence against the child and her husband including beaten the child, burn the husband with boiling water, punching his head, lied to police, court then faked her self as a victim. Then, police, DVCS, CPS and magistrate all came together to waste taxpayers' money to protect such an abusive perpetrator, and to prosecute the real male victim. Tony Abbott, the injustice system has driven many Australian men to poverty, death, wrong convictions, it is a national crime to these poor fathers who are deprived their rights with their children, their assets even they lives. It must be stopped immediately, then followed with apologies and compensations.

Banks turning ugly - By:Brian P from Vic, Australia on February 21, 2016 @ 6:50 pm

A bright switched on young person in their early twenties with 5yrs of customer service was refused a position as a bank teller with probably the biggest and most common bank in Australia. The reason was she did not have a enough selling experience.

Well there you go everyone, if that doesn't sum up what banks are all about these days, no customer service but just wanting to sell to you.

Of course it's no surprise to me, as all I receive when visiting a bank, which I try to avoid, is a sales spiel before I change the topic onto something more appropriate. Once i was influenced to seeing another bank staff member about some bank product before waking up and saying no thanks and walking away.

Yes the face of banking has been changing for some time and unfortunately in my opinion, the new face is looking ugly.

Submission to Child Support Inquiry has - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on June 16, 2014 @ 2:24 pm

For immediate release - 13 June 2014
MEDIA RELEASE
Send submissions to Child Support Inquiry
THE SUBMISSION deadline for a Federal Parliamentary inquiry into the Child Support Program is likely to be extended to enable more people to respond on this sensitive issue, according to Committee Chair George Christensen.

Mr Christensen said that although the cut-off date was June 13, it was standard practice for parliamentary committees to continue to receive submissions.

“While that is the case, I have asked for the official deadline for submissions to be extended by three weeks,” Mr Christensen said.
“This is an extremely important issue and one that affects so many families, so we do want to ensure we are hearing from as many people and organisations as possible.
“The key point is, if you are working on a submission, please continue to do so and send it in.”

The inquiry into the Child Support Program was launched on April 30 and public hearings will be held in various centres throughout from June 19 through to early August.
Though submissions are being received, the greatest volume of communication on the program will be received via the online anonymous questionnaire.
The questionnaire can be completed on this page: https://www.research.net/s/CSPquestionnaire

Further information about the inquiry, including the first submissions to be published, and the public hearing schedule, is on the inquiry website: www.aph.gov.au/childsupport.

For media comment – please contact Lynnis Bonanno in the Chair’s office on (07) 4944 0662 or
0408 773 207.
For inquiry information – please contact the Secretariat:
Childsupport.reps@aph.gov.au | (02) 6277 2223 | www.aph.gov.au/childsupport
ENDS

Lynnis Bonanno

lynnis.bonanno@aph.gov.au

Electorate Officer/Media
On behalf of
George Christensen
Federal Member for Dawson
2/21 Milton St,
PO Box 1697
MACKAY. Q 4740

PH: 07 4944 0662 or 1300 301 979

Submission to Child Support Inquiry has - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on June 13, 2014 @ 4:44 pm

CSA Inquiry and submission - By:Justice Due from ACT, Australia on June 12, 2014 @ 3:09 pm

I came across this website yesterday, good stuff. Not sure if everyone is aware of the following,

1. Child Support anonymous questionnaire. https://www.research.net/s/CSPquestionnaire

2. Submission to the Child Support Inquiry due by tomorrow (Friday) 13 June 2013, send your submission by the following link,

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Making_a_submission

Or you can just send your submission to:

Committee Secretary,
House of Representatives Standing Committee on Social Policy and Legal Affairs,
PO Box 6021,
Parliament House,
Canberra ACT 2600.
Phone: (02) 6277 2223.
Fax: (02) 6277 4427.
Email address:: childsupport.reps@aph.gov.au

The current list of submissions (submission 3, 7 and 8 are worth to read) published to-date can found at:

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Social_Policy_and_Legal_Affairs/Child_Support_
Program/Submissions

3. Witness

To be considered as a witness at the Public Inquiry, please following this link:

https://www.research.net/s/CSP-EOI

The public hearing details can be found at:

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Social_Policy_and_Legal_Affairs/Child_Support_
Program/Public_Hearings

220. By:Andrew Prestwood from S.A, Au on May 31, 2014 @ 10:07 pm

I see how the court in some cases takes precautions when kids are involved. I do not believe one parent should be cast aside at any cost.The system in place is biased, not in the best interests of the children at all and the woman know it's for them not the man.I have seen, witnessed and had allegations made that are false yet, the family report writer takes them as gospel writing a report that is biased and totally incorrect.Children need both parents and it's shown that by not having that, they are harmed. The court is guilty of abuse with no consequence.The lawyers, magistrates, court staff have one thing in mind that is their job and money. That comes first and foremost. The current system hurts not heals and let's never forget how many it assists in killing by suicide. The system is foul and we know that, as do they.

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