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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Mike from WA, Aust on December 3, 2015 @ 1:17 pm
    Hi Lyndon, I have put two COAs for Cpacity to Earn when ex resigned from her job and start a business. Both declined with no evidence on her behalf. Was told that I have no avenues left to appeal in WA. Not even the AAT, by case officer. I have procured the services of Child Support Help Australia. He has already proven that information is wrong and found other discrepancies in the Reasons for Objection Letter.
    I will keep you all posted on the outcome.
    850. By: lyndon from qld, aus on December 1, 2015 @ 3:54 pm
    Has anyone had experiance when the recieving parent quits her job and works under an ABN for a while. Does she have to lodge a Tax return? . Cant seen to work out what happens , talked to CSA but they werent much help. I have 50/50 care and work as PAYG so am a bit concerned.
    By: BzeBee from NSW, Australia on November 30, 2015 @ 3:06 pm
    Hi Courts and Suzy

    My husband has just signed up with Child Support Help Australia (CSHA) for 12 months to get a Change of Assessment over the line becuase is ex quit work to go on Newstart, and the first COA he submitted they told him him it would be rejected and gave him the Option to withdraw it. Apparently it is a pretty common trick used by CSA to reduce their workload.
    CSHA also offer to approach the other parent to organise a binding agreement. Stay tuned....

    Suzy, yes you can ring CSA explain the situation and estimate an income of 0 for the next 6 weeks. Then ask that it default back to whatever you were paying. You don't need to provide any proof of the injury unless his ex puts in an objection.
    By: suzy from QLD, Australia on November 30, 2015 @ 11:15 am
    My husband has just torn a calf muscle and has to take 6 weeks off work with no pay. Can we have his CSA payments stopped during this time or at least adjusted as we pay $1k per month
    By: Bryon from QLD, Australia on November 30, 2015 @ 10:42 am
    Ss, do you access your letters via mygov? every single letter should be there. if you had a DPO it will be in there.
    By: Ss from Qld, Oz on November 30, 2015 @ 3:31 am
    Byron,
    So that company your paying $800 to are good? Have you had to go to ATT. And what do you mean by fixed and how did they manage that. My tax return 21k but CSA are using 193k and not budging. How can I get DPO proof. I don't want to get stranded in oz
    By: Bryon from QLD, Australia on November 30, 2015 @ 10:24 am
    Jacqui and Ss -oh no! That is what i am doing to get my old assessments fixed. I hope my guys can have some success.

    Ss i am using mychildsupport.com.au check them out. $800 fee.

    So far: they have been able to revert my 2012 income to $6k (the tax free threshold) then use my actual lodged income and then i paid a 10% "penalty" for underestimation. This is a brilliant result for me. Working on getting 2013, 2014 and 2015 fixed of the same manner.

    Good luck. Ps if you havent seen the DPO then it probably doesnt exist,
    By: jess from QLD, Australia on November 30, 2015 @ 10:19 am
    Ss you apply for AAT online. if you are unable to attend you have to ask for permission in writing for phone call interview instead of in person or you can write as well for permission for someone to talk on your behalf. only people who might do it on your behalf is a lawyer but it going to cost around $8000 just to prepare case nothing else.
    By: Ss from Qld, Australia on November 30, 2015 @ 3:06 am
    Can anyone give advice. Have asked the CSA for a copy if my DPO but they do not respond. Have I got one on me, they say they have?? I am overseas as I don't want to come in and get stuck, CSA never changed my payment assessment so going to the ATT. I cannot attend due to having DPO can I do it via telephone? Also is there any company good at dealing with this for men.
    By: shery from qld, australia on November 30, 2015 @ 5:07 am
    My son asked the partner to leave because she was pissed and agressive. When she left she called the police, the police came and left the children with the father. He went to centrelink for child support, dotted the eyes and ts. They said 28 days for psyment. 30 days went in they wanted a letter from the school. They got it, 14 days later he did not get paid, now there is a dispute of percentage of care. This has taken nearly 3 months to no avail. He is in debt now he cannot afford to feed his children and attend meetings. This woman is very angree and takes it out on the children, rough, abusive.used to attack my son. Now he has given his children up as she being seperated has a rental 4 bedroom home, new furniture, new clothes for the kids. He feels he is holding his children back and he is a failure to his children. He allowed her 1 child per weekend as history showed she is a flight risk. He will not get his children or he feels they are better off without him. I feel for men who protect themselves from violent women and all the courts see is a petite woman and a tattoed 6' bloke. Pushing someone or restraining someone is not assault if you are defending yourself.
    By: Jacqui from Vic, AU on November 26, 2015 @ 11:55 am
    Hi Courts.

    We used one last year, paid $1000 for 12 months, they claimed to be ex employees of CSA so knew the system.

    In the end they couldn't help, so it was a waste of money as CSA kept harrasing my husband and ignoring the fact that he someone else dealing with them on his behalf.

    Not sure if its the same crowd though.

    Jacqui
    840. By: Courts from Qld , Australia on November 26, 2015 @ 9:55 am
    Hey all,
    Just looking for additional support when dealing with CSA. Has anyone had any experience with these guys - child support consulting? They seem to offer a lot of support however, we want to know whether it's worth it and if anyone has had experience with them - good/bad before committing. Still not sure of the cost of the 12 month service but any feedback would be awesome!!! Thanks so much, stay strong xxx
    By: Mike from WA, Aust on November 25, 2015 @ 3:12 pm
    The one where they think she didnt leave her job to manipulate CS payments.She provided false information in the first instance which they believed, so I objected and proved. So they managed to put their heads together and find new evidence and used that instead. I think I may take the Case Officers advice and "just get over it". Im tired. My eldest turned 18 last week so I will now save a whopping 20% off my CS payment (one 14 yo left). But he is going to Uni, so that wont last. Go me!
    By: Ian King from QLD, Australia on November 25, 2015 @ 4:47 pm
    Hi Mike,

    I am not using a lawyer to represent me at the AAT. This may turn out to be a mistake. Time will tell.

    In my specific case, in the CSA Objection decision, they state that they "Departed" from an administrative assessment (ie. using the standard formula and ATO taxable income) using "Section 98C(1)(b) of the Child Support (Assessment) Act 1989" as justification.

    If you have not already done so, I would suggest reading the Child Support (Assessment) Act. What Section of the Act did they specify in your case ?

    thanks
    Ian
    By: Mike from WA, Aust on November 25, 2015 @ 2:01 pm
    Thanks Ian. I really do not want to back down on this.I'll check into it. No lawyers are needed?
    By: Jacqui from Vic, AU on November 25, 2015 @ 4:30 pm
    AAT is not very helpful either, my husband is taking CSA to court, its the only way to get this resolved via a body that using the law to over-ride CSA's own version fo the law. The bullying and harrasment is ok by CSA law, but definitely not by the federal law, all recorded phone calls will be used in court. Also, the court requires evidence, good luck to CSA on producing evidence that supports their "Estimations" when they have been provided with all Accountant certified returns going back several years, both personal and business. Can't get better evidence than that. Anyone else been down this path?
    By: Ian King from QLD, Australia on November 25, 2015 @ 3:24 pm
    Hi Mike,

    I had a similar experience with CSA.

    I Objected to a Reason 8 change of assessment, and provided evidence to disprove my ex's original claims.

    The officer reviewing the case ignored my objections, and allowed my ex to introduce new, previously unseen evidence, which she then used to justify a further increase to my Income.

    I neither saw, nor had an opportunity to refute this new evidence before the decision was made.

    I am currently appealing before the AAT.

    ps. I find the following web site useful : http://flwg.com.au/forum

    Good Luck
    Ian
    By: jess from QLD, Australia on November 25, 2015 @ 3:04 pm
    Mike,
    go onto AAT website my husband is in process of doing this.
    By: Mike from WA, Aust on November 25, 2015 @ 12:42 pm
    Well Im back after hearing from my second case officer regarding an objection to a COA. Reason 8 Capacity to Earn. After proving with evidence that false and misleading info was used to respond to my first application, they chose to ignore this the second time around and rejected my claim on new evidence that was not provided the first time. Case Officer said that when she read my objection and all my supporting evidence, that it looked like a clear cut case in my favour. But then more lies were bought to the table and subsequently believed. It is like they look for the tiniest of light in order to dismiss my claim. I was told to seek a psychiatrist to help me get over it. I asked for all the decision, and reasons why i was rejected to be written and sent to me, but she said that it was confidential and cant be done. I was also informed that I have no other avenue to appeal as I live in WA and was not married. So no SSAT? No independant tribunal? This is so biased and unbelievable. Once again, I am left bewildered and frustrated. Over it.
    By: SS from Queensland, Australia on November 24, 2015 @ 9:30 am
    Jess/Jacqui, it is a bloody joke. I feel there is no hope in changing the CSA assessment I really wish use the best. I have tried everything without luck. I am not stuck overseas without my new partner and child who are still in Australia due to the DPO put in place on me due to debts. So I have lost my business now as well as no income for my family although I have to still pay $2500 per month.
    By: jess from QLD, Australia on November 24, 2015 @ 3:19 pm
    Jacqui, I feel your pain. my husband is in the process of going through AAT atm. I haven't got a problem with parents obligation to raise a child but not at the cost of other child, wife or husband suffering because you can't afford your own expenses. last time my husband spoke to csa and stated head can't afford the amount they want lady from csa told him to sell our house
    to make sure his ex gets the money to help raise there son. so csa dont care about who else is affect just as long as mother gets money. i say get a freaking job and stop living off hard working people!!!
    830. By: Jacqui from Vic, Au on November 24, 2015 @ 2:53 pm
    Jess, we are in exactly the same situation. I own a restaurant that my husband works at. The CSA do not understand small business, they think that money grows on trees and their estimation of what people should be earning is ludicris. Where is the money meant to come from to pay these high salaries? Small business is a hard gig, we try to make ends meet then the CSA makes him pay more than 50% of his salary to his ex, when he cares for the kids 50% of the time. He is meant to support 3 kids on $250 a week, in fact its not worth us having our own business, he would get more money on centrelink. We have done everything above board, and are being punished for being honest, being victimised, accused of everything under the sun, by the CSA because they can't find anything illegal in our financials. And all the time his ex is claiming parenting payments, living in govt housing and working full time (hiding it from CSA & Centrelink). The system is so wrong. Jacqui
    By: annon for safety reasons from Tasmania, Australia on November 24, 2015 @ 12:19 pm
    Father's that either were or are being robbed by their son's or daughter's mother and the court system - where the mother breaches federal orders and commits other serious offences, gets away with it and at the same time incriminates father's with slander, libel, deformation etc and the father either faces prison or refused bail. Concisely, unfair hearings, justice and bias in favour of mothers. IF YOU'RE A FATHER THAT CAN RELATE YOU MUST SIGN THIS PETITION FOR FEDERAL MINISTER MALCOM TURNBALL TO MAKE FAIR AND REASONABLE CHANGES!

    http://www.change.org/p/malcolm-turnbull-amp-child-support-agency-fix-the-child-support-system-and-the-abuse-of-fathers

    By: SS from Queensland, Australia on November 21, 2015 @ 4:25 pm
    Michelle, I have had a DPO put on me, I flew to Sydney from the gold coast and I had to turn back when I got there when I was meant to fly overseas. And I know they are meant to give you a letter. I got one the first time. On the second occassion I never got one. But they told me they where doing it. So I flew out the country. So I am sitting in Thailand waiting to do appeals etc. I only made 20K last year and this is a tax return the lot and they say I made 193K and will not listen. Send an email address I can contact you on.
    By: SS from Queensland, Australia on November 21, 2015 @ 4:25 pm
    Michelle, I have had a DPO put on me, I flew to Sydney from the gold coast and I had to turn back when I got there when I was meant to fly overseas. And I know they are meant to give you a letter. I got one the first time. On the second occassion I never got one. But they told me they where doing it. So I flew out the country. So I am sitting in Thailand waiting to do appeals etc. I only made 20K last year and this is a tax return the lot and they say I made 193K and will not listen. Send an email address I can contact you on.
    By: Tkjc from Nsw, Australia on November 21, 2015 @ 8:42 pm
    Michell you would know if they have issued a DPO they have to send him a copy so unless he has. Moved about and they don't have his address. What ever you do don't let them know you are planning on traveling or they will issue
    By: Michelle rutter from Qld, Australia on November 21, 2015 @ 2:32 pm
    Curious to know for anyone who has a DPO on them how they found out they did have one on them... Thanks.. Going OS for. Week end of year holiday and partner owes $$ but isn't working at the moment due to stress related illness!!
    By: On 2 U from On 2 U, U Know on November 20, 2015 @ 5:34 pm
    abbey...please take ur bullshit to FB dolls
    By: Tkjc from Nsw, Australia on November 19, 2015 @ 1:09 pm
    Byron gve me a call or email me carcraft07@gmail.com you are so wrong the system is full of flaws and loop holes not to mention the no brain twits that work for CSA that lie cheat decive and so on in there own delusions of grandure that they create with the help of people that believe there bullshit.

    To take them on is easy just ask them the same question three times and they will give you three lots of bullshit . However ask a question in writing and they will ignore you because they can't loose or erase a written lie or the intimidation they try on the phone they won't dare send to you in a letter or email

    It's easy to take them on and win if you know how make them work for it get everything in writing and if the rats don't respond go over their head and you will soon come to realise that they are very very defeat able. We all need to stand up to them instead of just laying down
    By: wake up world from NT, australia on November 19, 2015 @ 9:59 am
    Hey Byron...but firest things first 'Stella'go away you are not wanted on this site. Sorry Byron.Lawyers sitting around waiting to put their hands in your pocket,the FLA 1975 is on wheels it move's as and when it wants.The CSA do not care they are happy to file that another death has occurred,,its all numbers and checks..there is a huge difference reporting risk about children and the CSA stead fast pursuit of'CASH'kids can be beaten and assaulted and that'not investigates ..all step away the CSA is a product of control not need, fathers be powerful do not take in personally...what can be done...mothers removing children goverments removing children its been going on for 50yrs and lets not mention slaves
    By: bryon from QLD, Australia on November 19, 2015 @ 10:02 am
    SS - as soon as I have an update with a successful action plan I will let you know exactly what you need to do in order to get the same result. may be we can connect on facebook?

    tkjc - sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you are living in a delusion.... CSA DO have the power to make you pay whatever they WANT, and we ARE POWERLESS to do anything about it. That is why I have got the lawyers involved. it is eleventy kinds of wrong so if they tell me theres nothing that can be done LEGALLY then i'll accept that. I wont like it, but i will lick my wounds, pay the mother f!ckers and be done with it. My son is nearly 17 so there is light at the end of the tunnel for me. I have signed umpteen petitions and i will keep supporting for fairness, but in my opinion it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a "SYSTEM" administer something that is not a one size fits all. when two hetero-sexual-child-creating humans are no longer united in their decisions for the child then it becomes a threesome (me, her & CSA) play at WAR. where the mentality is "kill or be killed" everybody is wounded. there is no winners. only the scarred and less-scarred. when are we, as humans, going to look at this differently!!!!
    820. By: Divera Black from Western Australia, Australia on November 17, 2015 @ 11:23 am
    dear eyes wide open. unfortunately I have to agree with most of what you have said, but please don't let them win and realize that not all families end up with a battle on their hands. There are lots of good things about having children and I hope that I can help lift your spirits and encourage you to think of a good thing that having a child has given you. A child that you brought into this world is part of your legacy so please make it a good one. Words from a Grandmother.
    By: Eyes wide open from NT, Australai on November 17, 2015 @ 10:04 am
    Do you see how the CSA and so on do not care about the removal of children...all about guns and bombs....starving children and children enslaved ...and the world does not care...s why would they care about you or me or our children,,,the CSA is the work of the government they own our children until 18yrs then they then own their children...makes you think ...if our kids said no way to having kids would their be an Australia in 25rs..have you ever wondered why you only found out about the CSA not by TV o Radio but after your children have been removed,i for one would say to young men don't have kids
    By: Divera Black from Western Australia, Australia on November 16, 2015 @ 2:10 pm
    I am a Grandmother, my partner and my mother (A great grand mother have also fallen victim to a women who is using her child to get higher child support payments even though she is with another partner and has another child stops her ex husband from seeing his daughter for 11 months. Not only has she caused distress to all our family but heaven forbid what emotional damage has she done to the child withdrawing her from so many family member. The poor child has probably been told that we deserted her
    By: tkjc from nsw, Australia on November 14, 2015 @ 9:32 am
    Hey guys and girls im noticing many people posting on here and saying there is nothing they canb do and CSA isb ton stong and so on. There bis an online petition at the moment which last time i checked had only 38 signatures the CSA is not god they are a government department they are bound by rules and regulations they cant just give you an increased income or make a decision based on there own belief unless you let them. there is the old saying strength in numbers and if we start a petition and no one can be bothered to sign then the CSA wins we all have rights and it would appear rather than stand up for ourselves we just want to complain on this and other forums For a change why dont we actually do something if the CSA person you are speaking to wont listen go above them dont talk to them on the phone have them email you and not via their online service but at your personal email address you will find they are less prepared to lie and try to bully you when there is a paper trail that they cant then sanitize don't believe the bullshit that no one has ever taken them on and won the reason is that they will back away from a bad situation rather than have a bad decision recorded against them SO STOP BEING A VICTIM AND STAND UP FOR YOURSELF any one that does not know how call me or text me 0422772277
    By: MI from all, all on November 13, 2015 @ 11:04 pm
    Tom SS,if you want to make a difference this is not the way...this is at best a place to vent. If you want to make a difference...target voters of the male type...how many men young boys are aware what an angry women can do to their life. The government do not want young men to no as they would all get the snip, the population is shrinking ...a representative in each state amd then each town,,,thats a plan gents who is u for it ?????
    By: Tom from QLD, Australia on November 14, 2015 @ 12:55 am
    Legal help - to see a solicitor or someone so CS will go by your real tax assessment and not the one they decide you should be earning.
    How can you get an assessment that says you earn 20K but because one time you had six months where you did a different job and earned an extra 40K than normal that CS can now say that's what you have to earn all the time because you had the potential to do it one time
    By: SS from Queensland, Australia on November 13, 2015 @ 5:55 pm
    Byron,have you got a number I can call you on. How can you put things on here so everyone does not get your details. I guess you never no who is looking in.
    By: Bryon from QLd, Australia on November 13, 2015 @ 8:33 pm
    SS - your situation is the same as mine!

    Last week i got legal advice. Apparently now CSA can use any amount you've ever earned in the past plus a bit of CPI. Can you believe it! I've added my counsel as my representative and they will handle it for me. I will let you know if anything further develops.
    By: Mick from vic, Oz on November 13, 2015 @ 8:17 pm
    Legals for what Tom?
    By: Tom from QLD, Australia on November 13, 2015 @ 7:04 pm
    Does it help any of us to get legal help?
    810. By: Mick from vic, freeOz on November 13, 2015 @ 7:49 am
    Ever wonder why you have little or no rights?

    Perhaps it's time for everyone to understand where the problem maybe stemming from in order to fight back whenever + however you can against a tyranny that is growing daily, strangling ordinary mums + dads + families.

    First step is to understand you own nothing. Whilst you think you may own private property, you don't. No ownership rights of property, money, children nor your name, nil, zilch, no-thing. It's no wonder things are taken from us against our will. Whilst spiritually we own nothing also, this is another matter.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

    Also, research what currency is and who owns it for a major piece to the puzzle.
    Nil desperandum folks -- for now is the time, for us to be the solution!
    By: SS from Queensland, Australia on November 12, 2015 @ 2:46 pm
    I really have had enough of this CSA. I need advice. I have done my NOA and the ATO signed it off all done by a Charted Accountant with my taxable income at 20K however CSA are not interested in using this they still use 193K so my monthly payment is $2500 which I don't even earn. They put a DPO on me 7 months ago due to CSA payment owing of 28K which I had no money to pay so I took a loan from my parents to pay. Now it is back up to 20K another DPO is in place. I new it was coming so I flew overseas. How and what can I do. I have objected and they don't want to know. I would love advice.
    By: Andrew from vic, Australia on November 11, 2015 @ 6:04 pm
    Five years after separation I am still going through hell. No matter what your situation is, financial child support have no care. All the harassment and belittling calls from child support has led to anxiety and even thoughts of suicide. They wonder why men's (fathers) suicide and violence rates have increased over the years. Really (government) child support, how many lives have you really taken??? Wake up, a lot fairer and more justified system is very easy to work out, ask me how.
    ? Sherdrew11@bigpond.com
    By: tkjc from NSW, Australia on November 11, 2015 @ 2:30 pm
    Hi to all i am posting on here looking for anyone that has had a dpo or departure prohibition order placed on them since February this year. I hold information which would make these orders illegal & also invalid if you have had an order placed or you know someone that has please contact me @ 0422772277 or by email @ carcraft07@gmail.com
    By: Keep Trying from NT, Austrlaia on November 11, 2015 @ 11:16 am
    jess...well get yourself a video camera and report to the government. The CSA do not give a shit....their are some parents out their that are parasites...the feed off the working folks and then they get cash in hand jobs...the CSA will not conduct a forensics audit they just push people to act in the same way...sorry Jess i get you are trying to move on and build but the government will never let you it supports the two legged parasites
    By: Jess from Qld, Australia on November 11, 2015 @ 12:32 pm
    Hi, I own a small truck business. My husband drives for me and I have someone else driving forms as well. In recent events my husbands ex has lodged new assessment using reason 8. CSA state my husband is the brains and head of company even tho it's all in my name and its MINE. 1st object they used false profits that aren't there. 2nd objection they state he has capacity to earn $65,000. Yet his tax return was half that. Spoken to fair work (federal government) that his type of work and truck he drives yearly income is $38,880. They expect him to pay $504+ back pay each month when the income he truly earns is $38,880. Can they do his? She lives off centrelink and won't get a job. She cleans house for cash and works for her father off the books but child support don't want to hear it. What can we do??
    By: Loz from QLD, Australia on November 10, 2015 @ 8:23 am
    Hi, my Partner just received an application to change his assessment from his ex. This financial year has had to start paying him. Due to the industry he works in he was previously paid a wage and now is on an ABN and had to buy all his own equipment + GST, but no increase in the pretax amount. It is also not much she pays. less than what she was receiving last year. But my partner doesn't want to return the forms because she will see all our personal info... What is the worstcase scenario that could happen here? have to supply copies of all bills, like credit cards and insurance info, bank statements!!!
    By: duncan from victoria, australia on November 7, 2015 @ 5:24 pm
    Thanks robin for ur comment good to know parliment is concidering the problem guess i need to hassel some politicians.To me financially makes no difference cause kids cost money but from kids point of view they need that monies focused on them and not someone eles. i think CSA need to change their name to (StKMfE) Stuff the Kids Money for Ex from my experience seams to be a more accurate name for what they do
    By: Wilma from Qld, Australia on November 7, 2015 @ 11:38 am
    Hi everybody,

    I have a question.

    When I went to school, albeit a long time ago, I was taught in arithmetic that 0 + 0 = 0, but CSA says that 0 + 0 = $65.000 per year. How does that work? It doesn't work for me.


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