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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

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lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Tim from wa/, uk on May 29, 2015 @ 9:12 am
    Yes. My ex poisoned the minds of my children and csa effectively support her in that. I have to pay an extortionate amount based on an income I no longer have. Despite disputing the amount my 'capacity to earn' keeps it very high. I'mstill disputing and even wrote to the minister about it, but of course the investigation was carried out by csa. What a joke. Just have to persevere John and yes I asked those questions. .what is important? Keep the faith comrade.
    By: John from NT, Australia on May 29, 2015 @ 4:33 pm
    Thanks very much for the supporting words; they are most welcome.

    On a broader front; I work in the Public sector and have done so for near 20 years now. I have seen first hand how policy and POWER to determine other people's lives is dished out by 'the system' within the legislative framework operating at the time.

    Without personalising this too much I see middle level PS employees having the power to determine other people's lives at the stoke of a 'mouse click'. Yep and i suspect that their level of emotional intellect and awareness of the effect they have on others as being of 'official relevance and concern only' - but then relegated to a determination to get the job done.

    I see such pernicious legislation and SOOOOOO much power bestowed upon the great unwashed as a danger to a normal functioning society. A society that has lost the ability to solve such complex issues as child support and caring arrangements; amongst consenting adults. (my case).

    The default situation is to bring in the FLC and the knee capers, the CSA to collect the debts. Oh in the childs best interest of course yes thank you for reminding me!

    No, let's call a spade a spade; unfortunately given my education (6 years post secondary) and a penchant to continue using my grey matter. I will work it out for myself after many sources of misinformation (including CSA) and some legal advice (feed the machine....big dollars e.g. $800 for a letter).

    I ask such fundamental questions of myself such as; What's important to me? What's my purpose in life? The answers are quite clear and I will stand up to any spineless public servant or Minister or the Wiggs should they call this on.

    This situation I have unwittingly fallen into is an utter violation of my personal human rights without getting into any laws (back off wigs).

    My position and decisions are entirely defensible as probably are many other people such as yourself (I guess?).

    I have nothing to hide and nothing to be ashamed of. Except perhaps marrying the wrong person and throwing myself at the Catholic Church and those peodophile Bishops and Cardinals (protected by the wiggs) oh there is a pattern emerging here; do you see it too?

    Don't you just love being in control of your life.

    Wow so good to be a paying parent on 0% care - nirvana divided by zero.

    Keep the dream alive and take the best path forward because the system sucks no two ways about it.

    Good luck you all....

    Will you remove me form this forum now that I have spoken! Ha!
    By: Tim from wa/, uk on May 29, 2015 @ 7:45 am
    Here here John. Well said. I have a similar experience and empathise with your plight. It is a very unfair system and what adds to it is that they self regulate and so are never wrong. Stay strong.
    By: John from NT, Australia on May 29, 2015 @ 10:43 am
    To Real Csa.

    No problem with where you are coming from here. Basically its the law and the CSA is just doing its job. I have no issue with my dealings with the CSA except being ill advised on several occasions by as it turns out Female advisors.

    No this issue I have is the LAW and the %care arrangements. As a 0% career I have tried to work within the law to rebuild my life and establish a house and reasonable living quarters so my kids could have a 50/50 care arrangement (should they want this?).

    1 year into separation my income was above 100K with succesful investments from my equity in the shared house we used to have. So formula assessment (FA) was legitimately applied and as I become more financially sucessful and my income became greater than the X I was approaching 1K per fortnight to CSA - fine and dandy.

    I made enquiries with CSA and its a done deal with formula assessment. So i gave up and turned to a survival strategy of 'making myself a smaller target' vis-a-vis FA.

    Clearly the system is wrong for 'good parents' such as I. Try to build an income stream to allow for a modest 2 br flat in Darwin costing then only about 450K. So 2.5 K fortnight mortgage. Hmmm well I don't have that sort of money left after CSA so - oh well I'll give it a miss thanks.

    So with this unsatisfactory outcome in mind I mindfully, with plenty of support from a psychologist whom I am forever in debt. Forged a way forward.

    The outcome of all this is several dot points:
    1) providing housing for myself and children is impossible on my 100k income
    2) FA is too aggressive for the 0% care looser to gain a foothold and get going again.
    3) There is no viable support services for a person in my situation to negotiate a working path forward.
    4) The 100% care person is in such a powerful position that they have no reason to negotiate and can live quite comfortably in a state of apathy and reap the financial incentives. Without lifting a finger - nice!
    5) The children live in an environment where the 100% carer is seen as the essential parent providing all services and needs and wants for 'their' children.

    So for me I go back to item 1 action list as provided in a previous post.

    I have to action Item 1 as its the only defensible option.

    Has my mental health suffered under this regime? Absolutely why woudn't it.

    Have I made the best job out of 'the system' for me? Indeed I have.

    I am proud of what I have achieved and look forward to starting a new life in another country for which effort and
    fair play are rewarded.

    Dealing with the CSA all the while is also a very psychologically taxing and mind numbing scenario and can vouch for others on the forum that would rather do CofA etc via electronic forms. There appears to be no empathy or recognition of the fact that the rules are so very demeaning for most payers and empowering for the lazy apathetic 100% er's who can just sit back and be most concerned with how they spend their well deserved earnings on house reno's, holidays and the good things in life....

    Nice one I am out'a here! The toxicity and negativity must end or life has no meaning.

    Some take the easy option and I can fully understand that as bad as it is.
    By: Real CS info from Queensland, Australia on May 29, 2015 @ 10:50 am
    Hi John, Although we perhaps would not see eye to eye on the leaving thanks for the comment.

    I have said before do not agree with a good mum or dad not seeing their kids. Yes there are cases of dads withholding care too.

    I do believe the child support should be paid at the correct amount under the act. This is to stress everyone should know the system so they do not end up on the wrong end.

    I think remembering when you speak to them they also have limites options and that is not lack of care. Please note a rude officer should not be accepted but also nor should a rude customer.

    Now COA. This is a hard thing and is intended to address special issues. Do some parents use it as a weapon yes but csa must take and consider an application. John I would guess from your comment you had reason 8 capacity application go against you.

    My suggestion is if the outcome is wrong object then go to SSAT if needed. If the outcome is correct and you just don't like it then there is no real option.

    My concern John with your approach is that forever you have changed your life as it is likely there is a debt waiting in Australia and it can be chased in 260 other countries and this gives your ex so much influence over your life.

    The system and improvements. Just read the Parkinson review and consider how you could better write the system to fit all people. Do I believe custody will ever be legislative. .no as it is an industry that makes money legally. You want csa to change something don't abuse them talk to parliament.

    Just remember inaccurate information about child support is very dangerous
    490. By: John from NT, Australia on May 29, 2015 @ 9:24 am
    To David:
    Yes Domestic Violence is a topical issue in the mass media.

    IMO when a person (let's remove the gender issue here) has no funded system for support and is (in my personal experience) stigmatized and alienated in the community when they disclose their situation its a no-brainer that they feel powerlessness.

    Real CS Info has said on this forum that the CSA has had discretionary powers taken from it (back to the FLC) more recently in regards to parental (%care etal).

    IMO - There are two very important issues given this situation, for the payer/alienated parent:

    1) Make the situation the best it can be for you. I.e. involving GP - Psychologists - CSA - Forums like this etc to find the best path for you. In my case it's leaving the country and terminating a successful career and

    2) Hope/expect law reform from the FLC and the Judiciary/Executive powers enshrined in our Parliament.

    As a victim of abuse (parental alienation syndrome) myself. I channel my energy into point 1 to get the best outcome for me. Expect also to be demonized for being 'selfish' whilst undertaking this step too. The law as it stands appears to be geared towards 'the children' nothing could be further from the truth.

    Be mindful that Australian democracy and you could include a bunch of other Western Countries in this is/are not functional democracies and have not been for decades. They have become hoodwinked by minority groups and populist culture.

    So concentrate on chipping away at item 1 (i've been on this path since Sept 2011 when CSA slapped me with a big COA - leaving me no other option than getting out...

    Good luck to all and REal CS Info is to be commended for his efforts on this forum.

    May the force be with you.

    By: Anthony from Vic, Aust on May 29, 2015 @ 8:44 am
    No more please
    By: Real CS info from Queensland, Australia on May 28, 2015 @ 8:48 pm
    Hi Jason,

    Your Child Support period would be from 1 oct 2014 31 Dec 2015 as you probably lodge your income August lasr year. This means her income for last tax year is also needed from that date. Under the formula it is possible if her income was higher in some cases that it increases your payment. Best to call and checj what her income was and what it now is and what that has done to the cost of child.
    what can happen to try and simplify this is. Your combined income has increased and that increases the cost of child which although your percentage payment of that may have gone down overall it is higher payment. E.g first assessment cost of child is $5000 and you pay 80% based on care and income being 4000. Now cost of child is 7000 and you pay 75% which is 4500 so an increase caused by overall higher joint income.
    By: Jason Holland from Western Australia, Australia on May 28, 2015 @ 6:39 pm
    Hello, Just after a little advice please. My ex updated her income assessment. I received an email on the 16th May 2015 telling me so.
    This new assessment has been back dated to 1st Oct 2014 and additional funds have been taken out ( my account was in credit by over a thousand ) equaling $442.00 extra.

    Does this sound normal? It doesn't to me. I haven't contacted CSA yet, but will do so in the morning.
    Thanks in Advance

    By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on May 28, 2015 @ 8:31 pm
    Wayne. Yes it is correct. Just because mym thinks you have to pay does not make it so. Adult maintenance orders are rare and require your daughter to take you to court. An eligible child must be under 18. Again only exception does not apply to you as she finishes highschool before being 18.
    CSA can provide and confirm these detaudetails.
    By: Wayne from Queensland, Australia on May 28, 2015 @ 7:21 pm
    Real Cs - is that absolutely correct that after a child turns 18, payments stop, even if the child attends Uni?
    My daughter finishes school this year, and turns 18 mid next year, she is deferring Uni for a year (2017), but according to the ex I still need to pay CS because our daughter is furthering her education. On the one occasion I asked CS about this, it was suggested that I wait until the time comes and then worry about it
    By: David from Queensland, Australia on May 27, 2015 @ 10:45 am
    Hi John, that article is interesting though i should say i'll try to not take this too off topic since that article doesn't mention CSA or child support. Though possibly related as this whole child support and parents fighting for access to the extent of physically hurting the other parent. One attribute of an abusive person is they can be manipulative and controlling and so when you have a manipulative controlling person you then also can get physical. One statement in that article i find very hard to believe is "there were no cases where a woman was a domestic violence abuser who killed a male domestic violence victim". in my personal experience i have been involved in a relationship where the women threatened me with knives and often smashed glass around the house all for the purpose of control with obviously me as a victim. this report however is only what they have on record in the courts and personally i am not the type of person to take a partner to court or file police reports. maybe that's a problem since women have such a huge support network. us as males listen to female friends talking about slapping their boyfriend but we hear a male say that and people would shout abuse. i would assume the men who have died some would possibly have been silent victims. anyway hopefully back on topic all these legal CSA rules the law adds to me i think just creates more and more problems, they add laws to protect the children but then you create this free money if you fight to women then they will fight. better to create rules and laws of equality than rules of the person who fights and restricts access to win a huge income stream for the next 18 years. parental alienation a great tool in the fight so need better laws there too.
    By: Alan from QLD, Australia on May 28, 2015 @ 1:16 pm
    Who is the best person to contact to resolve CSA related issues.
    By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on May 26, 2015 @ 9:44 pm
    Michael. Child support ends when the child is 18. The only exception is when the child is in full time secondary education and it can be extended to the last day of school that falls within 365 of the 18th Brithday. Not for after school tafe or uni.

    Bruce yes yoy can call and aks csa to remitt the penalties and yes there are approval and refusal.conditions

    Good luck
    By: Bruce from QLD, Australia on May 25, 2015 @ 4:23 pm
    Michael - my son is nearly and i expect the ex to still put her hand out. I dont know how it works but i guess i'll find out soon.

    I have a question about penalties & interest. Is it a simple process to ask for it to be wiped? Is there reasons for which they do/do not wipe? I have cleared my debt now and need to address the $ in penalties. Its about $4k. Thanks
    480. By: michael from wa, australia on May 25, 2015 @ 1:57 pm
    Has anybody had to pay Child support after their child turns 18? my ex is always out to get the most she can and I am forever fighting change of care. so I know she will angle for further money after my child turns 18 by getting my child to attend tafe
    By: frank from Western Australia, Australia on May 20, 2015 @ 7:33 pm
    does any one have any information on "child support agency perth social club"
    it is an unincorporated entity that collects child support in perth
    with abn number. so it is a "company" and not a government body it would appear. cheers
    By: John from NT, Australia on May 19, 2015 @ 10:20 am
    Just opening up on Domestic Violence. Know nothing about it but have a look at this article and what is the FLC doing about this. Extracts from the article and my final comments at the end. Best read the article if you want the full story hence the URL. Enjoy !

    …….That's just the numbers, but what about the stories?
    Several key elements were identified in domestic homicide. Separation, either impending or complete, was a factor in many cases. …

    ……How does a man become so terrified by the threat of his partner leaving him that the only solution he can find is to kill her or his children or himself? How do women become so terrified of their partner that they think their only way out is to kill him? Why is this something that only happens to men? What can we do for the men who feel so powerless that violence is their only option? Because if we do not find a way to help those men, we will never find a way to stop these deaths……

    ….Family and friends of abusive men need help understanding what domestic violence looks like and how to access services for perpetrators as well as victims.
    We need better counselling services for men who feel powerless or out of control. We need to accept that helping them without shaming them will ultimately save lives……

    ……We need to increase substance abuse and mental health services for men and they must be an intrinsic aspect of the justice system's response to male violence……

    So where is the Family Law Courts on all of this stuff? that’s my question too ‘the system’ wake up FLC – your laws are killing innocent people and ruining the lives of good men and their children.

    Wake up Australia!
    By: sherrill from tx, usa on May 15, 2015 @ 5:00 pm
    The courts police cos workers judges etc. Are out of control. This is the only place where. Even when you prove your innocent it doesn't matter. The children's. Lives are destroyed for the welfare of others.
    By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on May 15, 2015 @ 5:11 pm
    Hi Bruce,

    you can send me an email or contact me via Mens Shed in WA the guy managing that is Michael and he can link you with me. I am happy to help. I only charge if I can add some value which is usually from making you understand the rules.

    To the comment of flat rate, this rate would have to be so low for low income workers that it would cost the budget hundreds of millions. The cost of children charged now vs old flat percentage is based on three studies done during parkinson review. These studies meashowed based on Australian spending what went to kids and that has inflation applied since 08. Prior to this you could be assessed for up to 5 kids and these studies showed that beyond three the costs raised then at about $80 per fortnight which would be addressed by FTB then or for higher income have less impact and it was reduced to max 3 kids. I am not saying I agree or disagree but this is where costs of children come.from since 2008. Prior to this it was 18,27,32,34 and 36% of gross income after exempt of approapprox $17,000 was removed. In old system pye income had approx $40000 disregarded.
    By: brendan from QLD, Australia on May 14, 2015 @ 9:15 pm
    The issue here is simple and easy, 1 kid = x amount 2 kids = x amount and so on. now the savings would be huge on bureaucratic funds wasted chasing and maintaining our pay rates. if we had a simple and fair system like suggested above where all kids are valued at the same amount not based on the fathers pay this would make it easier for everyone especially CSA imagine the saving on the budget
    By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on May 14, 2015 @ 10:54 am
    John in terms of reason, its purpose is to counter avoidance. Definitely keep your information regarding mental health, but also note your history has having been doing the correct thing as a payg. Although I would like to say it will be no problem I have seen some bell ringers in my time but usually for health that is evidenced you should be ok (note not knowing case history etc)

    Good luck.
    By: Bruce from QLD, Aus on May 14, 2015 @ 10:52 am
    Nice one John, nailed it.

    I too am in that situation and feeling like i could benefit from some advice (i refuse to invoke a team of vultures for such matters) so i would be more than happy to use a paid service as you have described real cs info.

    How can we formally contact you? My issue is not urgent, it may come up within 12 or so months.
    By: John from NT, Australia on May 14, 2015 @ 10:11 am
    To: Real CSInfo

    Right thanks for the explanation with some anecdote of recent activity. I am happy to say you have qualified yourself as a worthy contributor to this site (if you needed it) and a member of the good people :-)

    I may be going through a CofA launched by my X when I step down to retirement (self funded) early next financial year. I am almost certain that she will raise a 'special circumstances' reason 8 earning capacity but will wait and see.

    If I need advice and support I shall certainly call on your expertise in this matter. Certainly as it stands my reason for stepping down (to retirement) will be on mental health grounds. I will still be paying CS under Formula Assessment of course but much less than current situ with income of 90K full time work.

    Thanks Real CS Info may the force be with US.



    By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on May 14, 2015 @ 8:56 am
    Hi John NT,

    You are correct I now get money from helping get a fair shake with their CSA issues. Let me tell you some recent issues..helped a guy remove 20k in lpps he paid me $100. Supported a guy to argue an unfair application for more payment would have meant he lost his ability to pay rent another $100.
    A guy called me about custody we spoke for an hour no charge as I am not a lawyer and there is nothing I could do. The custody system is owned by the law society and even CSA can do nothing, i am not saying that is just or fair, should it change? Absolutely I completely
    disagree with a good parent being stopped seeing their kids. The feeling of injustice though does not mean CSA can say don't pay.
    There is a lot though you can do under CSA legislation and thats what I help with. I work closely with parent support groups.

    perhaps the focus should not be on CSA rules but the custody system and the ability for people to withold care. If you gave CSA the power to apply costs per court order they would. please note in the past where CSA did have power to apply court ordered care they did. This rule was changed.

    I think kids deserve both parents where the parents are fit of course

    You are right I did use PC language because I try to talk in facts and am also very aware of the impact this stuff has on men and emotive language may have a negative impact on some guy reading it thinking there is no hope.

    Much of whar you read here is incorrect like a recent comment saying csa charge $11 admin..they do not. Late payment penalties apply to overdue and may or may not be collected. Incorrext estimates of income also attract penalties but again you can ask never to pay them. There is no admin fee.

    470. By: John from NT, Australia on May 14, 2015 @ 7:46 am
    To Real CS Info etal.

    Real CS Info on 6/5/15 wrote:

    "...The only thing non custodial parents need to remember is as soon as care is withheld ask CSA what they need to do for
    an interim care decision and at least then for a period of up to 14 weeks their CS payment will not change and they
    can focus on gaining contact back. This is as much as csa can do for you...."

    Care is withheld - such a nice play on words and of course Politically Correct (PC) let's not forget.
    Like so many other other PC terms very devisive and controversial. Enter Parasites (Lawyers and advisors)
    for the feast.

    The system is screwed because you (alienated parent with <= 50% care) have to PROVE that the other parent has denied
    fair play. It will COST YOU to get a better deal - Enter Parasites ....are you the reader seeing a trend emerge here?

    My situation now is that my 3 kids have been alientated from me by a disfunctional (100%) care parent.
    I spoke with CSA recently for 45 mins and yes they can do nothing for you. So for me its go through the expense and
    mental torture - almost feel like a defendant in a rape case with the parasites at FLC.

    Nup! My kids have probably suffered irrepairable mental damage at the hands of what I am going to call 'the system'.

    My conscious decision is to get away from 'the system' that feeds parasites at the fiscal and mental health expense of
    the loser (me). I need to remove myself from all this toxicity, ignorance and unfairness/bullying.

    I guess the upside is that the children that are dispersed into society from this system will become the new customers
    for the parasites. Yes you got it - Serial rapist, DV offenders, substance abusers. armed robbers etc etc.

    I am sorry to say that "Real CS Info" is also a beneficiary of 'the system'

    ............I now provide support to people on CS issues and yes I charge money......

    Good on yer mate and ahhh kicking goals for 'the system'.

    Seriously the best legal advice I ever got was from a barrister/lawyer friend who I know through yoga. When I touched
    base with her on the CSA/FLC she suggested I run a mile and get the hell out of there with your mind and any money
    you had left. That was 5 years ago and I am near to the final result now.

    Good luck to the 'good people' and be dammed with the rest.
    By: Kris from Nsw, Australia on May 8, 2015 @ 7:35 pm
    Just like to share these facts with about the csa terrorists.
    Csa is a huge agency which employs a lot of people, it is in their best interest that you stay in some invented , out of nowhere,up to their discretion debt to them, and why some would ask? Because then you pay them a weekly debt fee of around $11 or so dollars, which is their account keeping fee , and judging by the number of people here which have a debt to them it's a lot of money for them. No2 if your ex works then the formula is based on both your incomes right? But there is a nice little loophole she does not have to do her tax return, and like my brutal running away to another state claiming emotional violence x she does hers after she looses one of her many jobs , therefore iam informed by sca that I'll get a reduction , excellent right . Then a week later I get another friendly reminder from the csa that she no longer works and therefore I'm back to square 1 paying 100% of the formula. No3 don't sound like you know to much or they will blacklist you.
    Don't vote for any of the major political parties as they're all part of this family law/csa racket. 5 years to go and counting.....hardly ever see my son, thank you csa/family law , another child without a father somewhere. Thank you God for giving me the strength to keep living and staying saine.....just....
    By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on May 6, 2015 @ 8:46 am
    Hi John,

    The custody system is very tough. I have three kids and could not imagine not seeing them, I have coached their sport watched their school plays and now am watching two of them become teenagers.

    CoA is a horrible process as it is one parent vs the other with CSA left to referee, and CSA would always prefer the parents manage it themselves but this does not always happen.
    I now provide support to people on CS issues and yes I charge money. So far people I have helped have been very happy but I am up front. I do not help avoidance or finding ways to unfairly seek more, i explain ans empower people with accurate informarion to make good decisions.
    Just because you can appapy for an estimate or CoA does not mean you should. People need to understand many other things too.
    I see many comments here about how the rules view care, the reason actual care is used that in the past parents have walked away and the laws became tougher.
    The only thing non custodial parents need to remember is as soon as care is withheld ask CSA what they need to do for an interim care decision and at least then for a period of up to 14 weeks their CS payment will not change and they can focus on gaining contact back. This is as much as csa can do for you, but do not mistake that for not caring.
    If anyone wants individual advice I can provide it, the information may not be popular with you but I am not here to argue fairness just accurate. This at least allows you to make informed decisions. Good luck
    By: John from NT, Australia on May 6, 2015 @ 7:55 am
    To: Real CS info and others
    Thank you for the info on retirement and CofA reason 8. Sorry I was incorrect with the terminology 'objection' is not to be confused with CofA. The whole business has been constructed by lawyers and its an alphabet soup. Talking the CSA/FLC lingo is exhausting and mentally draining. Often leading to lay people like me falling into misunderstandings with the CSA helpline people. Of course this was all "intentional" so that Lawyers could make a good living of the proletairiate.

    Back in the real world my X can lodge a CofA when my income falls to self funded pension. I have armed myself with plenty of circumstantial evidence on mental health grounds so will see how this goes. Basically I have been dealing (unsucessfully) with Parental alienation syndrone (PAS)) for the past 4 years.

    I had a lengthy discussion with CSA last week about my plans and I back up your claim that they are powerless to intervene in areas like PAS and bullying and child abuse. Indeed the FLC appears under current legislation to sanction it in favour of the parent who has the bulk of care percentage. My X = 100 % me 0% and homeless.

    Sorry but any thinking ratoinal person who is on the receiving end of this has no option but to get out and that is what I am doing in the next financial year.

    I've nothing to hide and nothing to be ashamed of - except marrying the wrong woman perhaps.

    Takes two to tango and the other one is persisting on crushing me with the support of the FLC. Kids they don't matter in all this - simply collateral damage.

    Dam the system, its broken!

    Best of luck to you all.
    By: Kris from Nsw, Australia on May 4, 2015 @ 8:46 pm
    Hi, as someone has all ready stated here before, family law is big business,
    They have a formula to destroy men. With all the studies and psychologists, professors, doing their studies on this all over the world. And they can't see that this is child abuse and a war against heterosexual men. We have the highest suicide rate per capita in this country, and no one can see that these laws may be the cause of this ? Or the fact two women are killed every three days. And no one can see the writing on the wall???they talk about animal cruelty yet men are treated worse than animals by this system.
    They talk about discrimination and equal rights for women? Then why do woman get custody over man, is a woman a better parent? This system 666 promotes bad behaviour and the victims will be the innocent ones man or woman. Recommend reading if you really want to know where this all comes from.
    By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on May 4, 2015 @ 11:04 am
    To John...early retirement. What you are being told be about is CoA and not an objection. Sadly many comments are non factual and just plain incorrect.
    The standard formula is based on previous years income. Then there are the a parent lodges and estimate which to other posters can be done online but I recommend contact as these are not always best option.
    the next is CoA reason 8. Two diffedifferent things here..The first Capacity to earn which is what you are referencing and this is where the other parent would have establish that your early access to a pension is an attempt to resuce your CS and you could still be earning FT wages..So many things come in here, your health, age and pension law. So depends why you are doing this but this is only if she initiates this application. The second part of 8 someone can apply is capacity to pay..which simply put means more access to cash than your income reflects.
    Just to touch on others points about CSA supporting emotional abuse, CSA does not and would love to see all parents who should have contact having it but the power given to them is binding and CS must be based on actual care except for interim decisions. If you have court ordered care and the other parent withholds for a 14 week period if you show you are taking steps to get that access you can have the cs based on the order.
    CSA is as bound by the rules as you are.
    By: Bryon from QLD, Australia on May 3, 2015 @ 12:41 pm
    Robin - YES, we have a 50/50 custody arrangement but in the week lead up to visits she verbally bashes him to the point of him saying "i dont want to go".

    yes i can enforce the arrangement with a police escort to extract him from her house, but is that really in the childs best interests i think not.

    Thanks Annon from TAS i saw that objection form somewhere and it seemed like a reasonable workaround. why cant they just be civil? not everyone is a deadbeat dad for gods sake no need to treat them like it straight off the bat.
    By: Annon from Tas, Aust on May 3, 2015 @ 11:31 am
    TO Bryon from QLD Aust.: Sound like we've a similar situation... In my case state authorities with their twist and spin try and make it worse with their nonsense allegations and inappropriate gender bias. Re: your question about income estimation. 'I talk to them and they cannot be civil. therefore i have no interest in verbally communicating with them.' Makes perfect sense to me! 'can they really reject my estimate on this basis?' 'I have simply told them i am not available by phone and to communicate via email/snail mail.' That's a sensible approach by you - I like it. Practically everything these days regarding dealing with DHS [child support] can be done online and if in the unlikely event that they [CSA] don't accept, you can 'object' and yes, there's a form for that too. You need to send your info including docs via facsimile [fax] or surface mail [recommended via registered with delivery confirmation]. However, it maybe best to call them for document confirmation receipt if you haven't heard back from them within 14 days.
    By: robin from nsw, australia on May 3, 2015 @ 11:29 am
    After reading the last couple of posts lm wondering if anyone does have court orders in place.l have concent orders by court my lawyers told me as the mum l have to stick to them at all cost other wise lm in breach BUT the the father can break them when ever he wants and nothing is done or said all l get is owell he is a male wtf ?
    By: Wayne from Queensland, Australia on May 3, 2015 @ 12:46 am
    David - the truth of it is that the child support mob support the emotional abuse that the receiving parent puts our children through. Working hand in hand with cenrelink, the more we pay the less centrelink has to, so this business that is run by the government are condoning emotional child abuse
    460. By: Dr Afekelu Onosegiele from south wales, Australia on May 2, 2015 @ 12:05 am
    Hello everyone,who still cares about his/her ex-lover or having any other problem,I am GINA, from Canada i never thought my ex will come back to me again,i am very happy at last that my ex-lover now my husband is back to me,who left me six months to our wedding just because of some little misunderstanding,But today we are married and we are expecting our little baby,i sincerely want to say thanks to DR Afekelu for helping me cast the spell that brought him back to me,i am grateful and happier than ever before,Thank You Doctor for helping me, and if you are also having problem in your relationship or any part of life, you can also contact him and he will respond to you. email
    By: david from Queensland, Australia on May 2, 2015 @ 4:13 pm
    Jaylee yeah i've had the same thing.It's called parental alienation and personally i see it as child abuse and using the child as a weapon to hurt the other parent, if you look it up there is a lot of talk of it but my personal experience in the courts show they don't really care too much about it. Hopefully others have better experience.
    Bryon and annon yeah there are several tricks and loopholes mothers can use to keep the children from the father, in my case my ex changed the childrens schools without even consulting me and i filed an urgent court order to resolve the issue and had the court return my documents saying it wasn't urgent. And yeah if she keeps the kids from you she will get more money from child support and CSA don't care about that, they will just ask who has them.
    By: Bryon from QLD, Australia on May 2, 2015 @ 3:07 pm
    TO: Annon from TAS - yes i can relate, that is exactly my situation. the mother has denied me access for going on 8 years now. but my son recently found me on facebook! but its not all good, he thinks i havent been around due to domestic violence. he has little interest in getting to know me so i just told him its not true (i'd like him to meet me in person for him to know the allegations are ridiculous and just a means by which to deny access)

    I have a question about income estimation. I have submitted an estimate online and CSA say they cannot accept it without talking to me first. is this true? I talk to them and they cannot be civil. therefore i have no interest in verbally communicating with them. can they really reject my estimate on this basis? I have simply told them i am not available by phone and to communicate via email/snail mail.
    By: John from NT, Australia on April 29, 2015 @ 8:52 am
    To: Real CS info.
    Just a simple question but probably not easily answered.
    I have reached 'preservation age' and are enititled to retire (age 57). Can I retire and declare my assessable income as it is i.e. my pension (self funded) without due recourse?

    My understanding is the 'X' can lodge a objection that I have deliberately 'steped down' defined as 'earning capacity' in the legislation. However retirement is available to ALL normal people who have not made such a grave mistake as getting married and having kids.

    For your information I do have a range of evidence on health grounds should this all get messy - just as a backup.

    Thank you
    By: Annon from Tas, Aust on April 22, 2015 @ 9:45 am
    It appears a familiar issue... One parent takes it upon themselves to deny access to other parent, then claims 100% care and there's no scope for CSA to do anything about it! In my case there's a court order specifying shared care but the Mother denied the Father access then claims 100% while its going through family court because she's continuing to contravene existing shared care orders. Has a CSA representative provided the wrong information? Has this happened to you? Can you relate? If so, we need to stick together and partition to change Mothers using their children as weapons, denying Fathers parental rights just to receive more money. PLEASE HELP! THANK YOU.
    By: Jaylee from NSW, Australia on April 22, 2015 @ 8:59 am
    My Ex won't let me see my daughters aged 16yrs and 13yrs and is brainwashing them into hating me.(I've coped abusing text messages from both kids).

    CSA told me i have to pay full child support even though she isn't allowing me to see the kids. I told CSA she is keeping them from me and all they said was go see a lawyer and prove you want your kids. So until then i have to pay full child support.

    I'm all for paying for my kids, but i would love to see them. Why do i have to pay full child support because she is refusing to let them see me. She is claiming they are in her care for 100% of the time.
    By: David Farmer from Hertfordshire, United Kingdom on April 21, 2015 @ 10:29 pm
    Forgiving $38,750 in Child Support, for My Kids’ Sake
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    By: Bruce from QLD, AUSTRALIA on April 21, 2015 @ 10:45 pm
    Robin thanks mate, Dont know if i have any paperwork to that effect but i'll have a look in my files. its a period of time in my life id rather forget...... ANYWAY i just wanted to come back and tell the GOOD NEWS! my assessments have been reconciled and now my debt has been adjusted against my now lodged tax returns and near $14k is now back to $1700 where it should be!! all the more money that can now go towards my SON and not the ex's poor lifestyle choices. thanks for the support. i am over the moon with this i never thought it could happen
    By: Annon from Tasmania , Australia on April 20, 2015 @ 9:02 pm
    Mother on welfare payments in poverty breaks court order by refusing to facilitate child changeover into the Father's care against the child's and Father's will then has the CSA demand child support from Father. Under current legislation the collecting parent can refuse child support from the paying parent if there's family violence but not the other way around, which is just wrong. this encourages parents not to hand the child over to the other parent then claim child support.
    By: robin from nsw, australia on April 21, 2015 @ 10:36 am
    bruce from qld
    Yes you can have your accessment changed to have any and all of the csa money owning from the 6 mths you were in jail you just need to have all the jail paper work and send it into csa ( keep copys ) and it take about 55 - 80 days to have it fixed.
    450. By: Bruce from QLD, Aus on April 19, 2015 @ 9:03 am
    Hi all, i am looking for some clarification about income reconciliation.

    I recently lodged tax returns for the years 2010-2014. I never bothered to update my income (because when i did, the assessment would revert to some higher amount anyway) and i assumed when i lodged my tax returns the liability would be reconciled to my taxable income. So at the moment i have a $10k debt which should disappear upon reconciliation - except..... As i am learning this is not the case!!

    Come someone please tell me is there any, ANY circumstance in which i can change the assessments? For example i lodged my 2009 tax return at about $53k and then my assessment was bumped to $85k. My 2010-2014 returns were around $30k-$40k as i worked only casual/part time. So i have a CSA debt from income that didnt exist. HELP!

    I also went to prison for 6 months of 2010. Can i have the assessment retrospectively changed?

    Thank you
    By: David from Queensland, Australia on April 2, 2015 @ 6:05 pm
    Just realised the document wasn't editable so i just fixed that. Will keep it editable unless it starts getting abused then i might lock it down to a few of us.
    Email me if you want eg. if i do end up locking it down but u want to keep editing. but yeah not too interested in talking with any solicitors.
    email not fake i just created it for this site. That's 20x 7's :)
    By: tony from qld, aus on April 1, 2015 @ 4:08 pm
    The awesome part about over payment is csa will only listen if you advise them within 28 days of the over payment.then i think you get credited or some crap.......but if you underpay it will chase you forever.i have a debt with csa for 15k for a child that died over 20 years ago .they have been told to back the f off as the child only lived for a year and i hardly worked in that time .csa does not allways get it right and then to rectify the problem is not what they want to do.please read davids page it is a direction towards starting to get csa to acknowledge our issues and as this site shows there is a lot of them.anyone willing to get involved please speak up .
    By: John from NT, Aust on March 27, 2015 @ 8:32 am
    For the first time this current year I have been varying my income several times (making myself a smaller target). Because this Revising estimates is so bloody complicated i try doing the least nbr of adjustments. Just for your information if your taxable ATO Assessable income is more than 10% above what CSA had on their books you incure penalties and pay arrears in the next billing period. HOWEVER this is the clincher!

    IF you pay too much (I know this is unlikely..) in any billing period (1 year) you DONT GET IT BACK END OF STORY.

    The nice friendly Gal at CSA told me: "This is an incentive to make sure you keep tellig us when your circumstances change" Ha what a joke. These CSA laws are a disgrace! If you overpaid for ANYTHING ELSE ANYWHERE AS A TRANSACTION YOU WOULD BE CREDITIED THE DIFFERNCE. AH AH NOT THE CSA UNFUCKINBELIEVABLE!!!

    Keep the dream alive and got out of this Cuntry!

    Best of luck

    By: tony from qld, aus on March 22, 2015 @ 11:20 am
    Read davids link please
    this is the sought of direction we need..
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