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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

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    By: Paul from QLD, Australia on September 14, 2015 @ 12:36 pm
    Kris, thanks for the input. I'm taking a special interest in the ratio of male suicide to violence against women. Depression and violent behaviour are essentially two different ways to deal with the same problem, they both indicate mental distress. Some men become violent, others withdraw. The end result of either can be murder, suicide and anything in between. If you have real data on that number I'd like to see it (paul.casley@bigpond.com).
    I was in court today for a DV breach, I had the hide to speak to my wife in court and then give her lawyer a spray. Apparently lawyers should be beyond reproach. Why is it then that they are permitted to recommend DV proceedings to assist their parenting case?
    Flow on the effects of CSA intervention when your children have been taken away, you no longer have a home, your employer is filtering money to CSA so that your ex-partner can live the life of Reilly and ironically give all of your hard earned to the spittle licking cockroach lawyers, WHO STARTED THE WHOLE PROCESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!
    I recommend pointing your aggression toward lawyers first. They are the real problem. Let's have a 'Public Outing' of all inappropriate actions by lawyers.
    I had a lawyer that withdrew as my representative so that she could put a contract on my house, that was being liquidated. Gee, conflict of interest or downright unethical...let me think?
    By: Ky from Nsw, Australia on September 14, 2015 @ 7:37 pm
    My ex has allianated my children from me and wants sole custody of them. If he succeeds in court will I still have to pay child support?
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on September 14, 2015 @ 2:14 pm
    Suzy - sadly, and perhaps wrongly, the CSA and the Family Court are not linked.

    Child support, via the CSA is for maintenance of the child
    parenting orders, via the Family Court, for access

    and no, the two are not linked. It would be great if the CSA had the power to cease payments based on one partner violating a parenting order or by taking it upon themselves to restrict access (where no parenting orders exist). In this way the system is too unfair and one sided
    740. By: suzy from QLD, Australia on September 14, 2015 @ 2:34 pm
    Does anyone know if a mother totally withholds a child from access with her father, do you still pay csa or can you have the payments stopped because of this? My husbands x has been withholding since May 2014 and we have paid her $1k a month still.
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on September 14, 2015 @ 12:04 pm
    Paul - if what you say about your lawyer is 100% correct (resigning so could apply for your house)then you need to contact the equivalent of the QLD Legal Practice Board.

    Based on what you say, it is unethical behaviour, and Lawyer will get looked at and could sanctioned.
    By: Paul from QLD, Australia on September 14, 2015 @ 12:36 pm
    Kris, thanks for the input. I'm taking a special interest in the ratio of male suicide to violence against women. Depression and violent behaviour are essentially two different ways to deal with the same problem, they both indicate mental distress. Some men become violent, others withdraw. The end result of either can be murder, suicide and anything in between. If you have real data on that number I'd like to see it (paul.casley@bigpond.com).
    I was in court today for a DV breach, I had the hide to speak to my wife in court and then give her lawyer a spray. Apparently lawyers should be beyond reproach. Why is it then that they are permitted to recommend DV proceedings to assist their parenting case?
    Flow on the effects of CSA intervention when your children have been taken away, you no longer have a home, your employer is filtering money to CSA so that your ex-partner can live the life of Reilly and ironically give all of your hard earned to the spittle licking cockroach lawyers, WHO STARTED THE WHOLE PROCESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!
    I recommend pointing your aggression toward lawyers first. They are the real problem. Let's have a 'Public Outing' of all inappropriate actions by lawyers.
    I had a lawyer that withdrew as my representative so that she could put a contract on my house, that was being liquidated. Gee, conflict of interest or downright unethical...let me think?
    By: Kris from nsw, Australia on September 14, 2015 @ 11:16 am
    Hi to all paying parents.
    CSA / Family Law - multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new" stolen generation "and creating" domestic violence".
    Just the other day I heard on the radio that university studies have shown that homosexuals due to discrimination of "gay marriage" and homophobia are falling into depression. Well well well .Welcome to the real world our homosexual brothers and sisters. Because of our wonderful political scum we have 21 fathers commit suicide each week and 3 women are murdered each week. So please enjoy your marriage equality. Where as the rest of us heterosexuals just stay calm :) because it will never change .And as someone has here said it's changing for the fathers, pls get a reality check , causer judging by the comments people post here, the number of people getting screwed vs the winner is irrelevant. ..5 more years and counting. ..
    By: suzy from QLD, Australia on September 13, 2015 @ 5:24 pm
    Thanks everyone, you have been a great help, this past week has seen my husband pushed over the edge by them almost to suicide. We have sent a formal letter of complaint to CSA requesting all the information regarding the DPO and transcripts of all conversations within the past year. We have also made a formal complaint to the commonwealth ombudsman.
    By: paul from Q, australia on September 13, 2015 @ 5:14 pm
    Suzy, you have every right to demand that they confirm everything they say in a call through the CSA online portal or by mail. Let me say again...do not engage these people over the phone. They will screw your words around to suit themselves and force you to go to the tribunal.
    If they have said the DPO has been lifted, request confirmation in writing. Make them work for their jobs. From what I've seen, most of us just give up. DO NOT GIVE UP. that's what they want you to do.
    By: suzy from QLD, Australia on September 13, 2015 @ 3:42 pm
    Ok so how do we find out if they have removed it, if in fact they placed one on in the first place and not just lied about it. They have said over the phone it has been removed. Don't want to show up at airport and have this be an issue as our flight is at 10am and not enough business hours to sort out.
    By: paul from q, australia on September 13, 2015 @ 3:31 pm
    My experience is that you will be notified in writing and the it will be on your CSA online.
    you have options, you can offer a bond and they cannot refuse. The bond must be returned when you return to the country. Don't pay them to clear the DPO, they are liars and they will leave the DPO in place. I've neverexperienced such a lying pack of weasels in my life.
    By: suzy from QLD, Australia on September 13, 2015 @ 12:22 pm
    Allan, I agree we have not seen anything in writing. And they fail on -The Registrar can make a DPO where all of four specified conditions are satisfied (section 72D). We have been trying to sort this for months and have made small payments to keep them happy.It has been a very good extortion plan and it worked.
    By: Allan from QLD, Australia on September 13, 2015 @ 12:07 pm
    Suzy

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/csaca1988427/s72d.html

    Section 72D have a read. you need to see it in writing if the DPO exists.
    730. By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on September 13, 2015 @ 10:16 am
    Suzy,

    A departure prohibition can be applied to non aussie passports. CSA woulf not say there is one if there is not. It is not a passport stop...it is an order under law that means customs could not let you board a plane and for those who do get to Airport the Federal police escort you back from the place..essentially tell you sorry you cannot fly.

    CSA chooses the conditions under which they remove it. If they believe you can pay lump sum that's what will be asked for.

    Based on your full payment seems like best option as you don't want your holiday wrecked.
    By: suzy from QLD, Australia on September 13, 2015 @ 9:30 am
    Thanks Bruce. We tried when they called to make a payment arrangement and they refused.So we went ahead and paid all of it, we thought we had no choice, in such a short time frame. They only stopped calling to harass my husband because he said to them that he was pushed to suicide which is correct.
    By: Bruce from QLD, Australia on September 13, 2015 @ 9:20 am
    Suzy thats bloody terrible. It sounds like you've been scammed. They cannot stop your husband from departing on a NZ passport. Shocking.

    From what i inderstand,if there is a DPO in place it simply means you will need to enter into a payment arrangement before being allowed to depart the country. So just get to the airport early.
    By: suzy from QLD, Australia on September 13, 2015 @ 7:27 am
    Regarding a DPO. My husband was informed by his x that CSa were going to stop his passport when we are leaving on a family holiday in a week.He spoke to CSA, told him, his case had not been referred to this dept. The next day CSA ring and say unless he pays his debt to under $2k they will stop his passport. We paid this even though we are disputing and have been for months with them. The next day CSA call and say they have stopped the passport until the whole amount is paid. He has not received any docs about any of this just phone calls. We have paid it all because what we lose if we cancel our trip is far much more. He holds a NZ passport, would they be able to stop this? What I'm wondering is they seem to have so much power, could they have been lying the whole time just to get us to pay? How would we know and could we do anything since it's not a correct assessment and we will never get our money back from x
    By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on September 11, 2015 @ 3:32 pm
    Robin,

    This means you got the s107. I hope you applied for s143 at same time so she has to pay you back.

    What you sre talking about here is that the judge found she was not entitled to apply as the court found presumtion of parentage was not me making case invalid from start date.

    Hope you also got the second decision.
    By: robin from nsw, australia on September 11, 2015 @ 3:20 pm
    real csa
    The court ruled in my partners case and stated that the test is to be done on a set date she never turned up ( she was told what wold happen if sge didnt turn up )so the court has ruled no more csa payments and his child support case is to be stoped. His x has not turned up to 2 court app either
    By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on September 11, 2015 @ 11:26 am
    Robin,

    When you lodge the s107 which associated to dna the law says child support payment stop but it is still assessed. CSA cannot collect during this time. If he is dad but he will be required to pay contact or not so just be aware.

    Mal yes CSA will tell you if they DPO. The parameters are CSA believe this is the best enforcement approach in your case. Not every person gets DPO.



    By: robin from nsw, australia on September 11, 2015 @ 10:56 am
    My partner had a win against csa and his x
    he was denied all visits to his kid since the boy was 2yrs old
    Went throu everything to see him the x left the state and moved around when ever my partner found where they were. Long story cut short the boy is now 13 and my partner has taken her to court and won no csa payments at all till a dna test is done. CSA can not give anyone visits to their kids only the courts can do that. All csa do is get the money from the paying parent.A court order can have csa stoped if the mother does not give access to the father. So best anyone can do is start court and get to see your kids that way. family law has changed to the fathers side and does state that having the support of both parents ( not just 1 ) is better on the kid
    By: mal from QLD, Australia on September 11, 2015 @ 10:01 am
    Hi guys, can anyone enlighten me on the DPO.

    1. will i be advised if this is in place or will it just be a 'surprise' at the airport?

    2. Can DPO done for any reason or what are the parameters? i have a very spiteful ex and i recently told my son i was going to China for work. I dont want to have to deal with this infront of my work colleagues........

    3. I have a debt of about $860. it is an amount in dispute. she rorted me but thats another story. I know i'll have to pay it eventually I just dont want to until Christmas for the benefit of my son. apart from that i pay the prescribed amount every month.

    any advice appreciated
    By: Clint from QLD, Australia on September 10, 2015 @ 5:56 pm
    Sorry guys, been under the pump with all this stuff myself. I'm happy to help if I can and would also appreciate any relevant advice that's out there?

    I aslo think we need to rally the troops and waste the CSA's current evaluation process. That absolutely needs to happen.

    For example: If you are being denied access by the custodial parent, and have attempted to engage this parent through the mediation process, and the other party is unwilling to co-operate. Then you should be able to request that your CS payments be suspended until visitation/custody or whatever can be determined and re-evaluated. Fairly.

    There is shitloads more but anyway, I'm Clint, and these are my contact details; clinno81@gmail.com 0438-906-304.

    720. By: Oscar from SA, Australia on September 10, 2015 @ 3:46 pm
    Hi Clint or anyone else that has had experience with the DVO process in Queensland

    i am interested in your DVO hearing. am flying to Qld next week to attend one myself. like to know about the procedure etc.

    have you got an email or phone i can contact you on ??
    By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on September 10, 2015 @ 4:50 pm
    Want help understanding cs. Contact me on realcsinfo@gmail.com

    Can give hints and tips on writing all applications and addressing other issues.
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on September 9, 2015 @ 1:17 pm
    "A civil war is a war between ... groups within the same state or country ...The aim of one side may be to take control ...to achieve independence ... A civil war is a high-intensity conflict ... civil wars may result in ... 'casualties' and the consumption of significant resources ... as well as ...displacement ... Civil wars have ... resulted in economic collapse" - Wikipedia (with irrelevant words / phrases edited out.

    Reads very similar to custody and child support battles being fought between estranged parents. Wake up Australia, and seriously consider reform to the Family Court, custody and child support regimes ...
    By: Mik from WA, Aust on September 9, 2015 @ 11:11 am
    Hi Paul from QLD, I would be interested in hearing your views and hopefully some advice that may help me draft an objection that will make someone sit up and notice. One of her reasons for leaving her work was flexibility to look after her new partners (who runs his own businees) 4 kids plus our 2. What she didnt tell CSA was that one is 22 and does not live with them and the rest are shared care. Plus our eldest is 18 in a month and has his own car. If you can post your email or even details on this forum that could help others would be appreciated.
    By: lyndon from qld, aus on September 8, 2015 @ 7:59 pm
    Hey Rob my ex worked as an subcontractor also so i did the dodgy and hired them to do a job and she had a actuly showed up and give me a invoice it was funny . The ato( again faurd line) where helpful in the way she was pocketing the money and not paying tax, they contacted her boss , thats when it all came out . She had to come clean . She withheld care for sometime but wasnt long
    By: Rob from QLD, Australia on September 8, 2015 @ 7:32 pm
    Thanks Lyndon. She sub contracts for a large cleaning company. I find so many things about it frustrating. I clearly need to put the correct wording together to get the CSA to actually get her assessed on a reasonable income. I can't see why any able bodied person cannot earn at least minimum wage working a 38hr week unless you choose not to for some reason. She doesn't even earn up to the self support amount on paper yet is on a three week overseas vacation with my kids. The number very clearly don't add up and the CSA delegate wouldn't even bother to call her.

    When you say you found the ATO helpful, did they give you financial statements or something to that effect? I'm sure I can find her ABN if I tried but she is declaring an income. She is either not working much or fudging the figures. Once again the CSA delegate wouldn't even look into it, stating she has been a low income earner for years so what has changed, my reply was the kids are now in school so she can go back to work!

    I have 50/50 care and I do earn more than her and she most likely can't earn as much as me. I just want her to pull her weight and work full-time like I have to or at least be assessed as working full-time and her new man can support her choice of lifestyle instead of me. I know she would still get some child support of me but my money is for my kids not her lifestyle. But CSA seem to think she is entitled to not work and still get money. What a joke.

    Im curious as to the comment of "Just dont do anything dodgey it will come back to haunt you" Are you referring to gaining information by deception or something along those lines? Clearly dealing with CSA defies logic and reason, so if there is an example of something some of us may feel is reasonable but in there eyes could be deemed "dodgy"I'd appreciate the insight.
    By: lyndon from qld, aus on September 8, 2015 @ 6:52 pm
    Rob I bet she has a Facebook page for the business , Easy to find . Just dont do anything dodgey it will come back to haunt you
    By: lyndon from qld, aus on September 8, 2015 @ 6:24 pm
    Rob does she have a ABN you can look this up online . Try local business directory hopefully she has linked her name to one of them . I found the ATO helpful to. She is proberly claiming FTB get onto centrelink see if they could help(fraud line).Do your own research CSA will not help you . Again make complaint after complaint to CSA until you are heard . when you call CSA do not talk there front line staff Ask for complaints straight away and dont let them side track you . Just stay on hold until they put you through and also ask for a superviser or mananger.
    By: Rob from QLD, Australia on September 8, 2015 @ 5:11 am
    Been reading through a few of these sites. Has anyone ever been successful in getting a reason 8 through CSA? My Ex runs her own business and doesn't even earn minimum wage! It is like she does it to avoid working full-time which I think is ridiculous. CSA in their wisdom refuse the reason 8 application and told me I was wasting their time as they can't force her to work. I just want my Ex to pull her weight financially and talking to the decision makers at CSA is like smacking your head into a brick wall, over and over. Anyone who has had success please let me know, Im seeing a lawyer in a couple of weeks to see if they can explain how to get around these moronic decision makers.
    By: lyndon from qld, aus on September 8, 2015 @ 5:23 pm
    Dont forget when applying to the AAT watch time frames and also claim financial hardship you will get at a minimal cost
    710. By: Lyndon from qld, aus on September 8, 2015 @ 5:02 pm
    Mike I cant agree more ! . I have found but difficult some times you need to put emotions aside and look at it in a way that its your hard earned money they are your kids not the Goverments and you have to take it upon yourself to right the the wrongs because they CSA dont care( unless you are the receiving parent) . I have written letters to the PM and had some luck , having my own case manager ( which I have to say is fantastic ) appointed to me. I am no lawyer but I have to say talk to the right people gain knowledge and go to war .
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on September 8, 2015 @ 3:03 pm
    Paul - would be interested to hear about your experience, and the procedure, in the AAT.

    I have just lodged my appeal to them, and expect the first response from them in approximately 4 weeks.

    do you have an email I can contact you on initially (don't want to ask you for a phone number in a public forum).

    cheers
    By: Paul from QLD, Australia on September 8, 2015 @ 4:51 pm
    Mike, first to you. I can assist with the information you need because I'm basically in the same position as your wife, except she has the required anatomical differences to support the relevant CSA bias.
    Lyndon, what you say is dead right. Understand the law, don't settle for the CSA standard line and use the system as it has been created. The AAT is not the final line in the sand by the way, you can also lodge a Federal Court Appeal.
    Every person that has fallen victim to the CSAs' neglect of both receivers and payers should lodge appeals with the AAT. If we swamp the system with the appropriate number of appeals it will grind to a halt and something will be done. I implore you all to follow the process and make them work for their money. As it stands (and I say this with the experience of many hours on the phone to these 'minions'), they believe themselves to be above the law and beyond reproach. I have also lodged a complaint with the Ombudsman which is on-going.
    Media next stop!
    By: Lyndon from qld, aus on September 8, 2015 @ 3:49 pm
    Guys new to this site and it makes good reading . Csa have put me through Hell , but what I have learnt to only to fight back . In requards to the AAT ,Csa said I had no care and was liable for a 100% of costs after taking to the AAT I was found to have 48% care . Guess what back payed . Then the same again on incomes after having two reason 8 decisions rejected back through SSat (waste of time) then AAT guess what she was earning twice what she told Csa, again back payed . I cant believe they will believe everything she tells them and yet the whole time I have proved them wrong at every turn . As a father with 50/50 care I just cant believe how system is so one sided. By the way I find there complains managers a joke but have now had 7 complaints upheld and four letters of apology . I guess the love it when I call.
    By: Simon from Victoria, Australia on September 8, 2015 @ 11:53 am
    From what I have experienced and have read the CSA system goes by information for assessment 3 ways -
    1. Tax return for adjusted taxable income
    2. Provisional assessment
    3. What the parents have told the CSA of their income.

    What I want to understand is that why aren't both parents treated equally if one hasn't reported their income correctly.

    Isnt it the responsibility of both parents to report a change of their income?

    If one parent updates the CSA on their income changes where the other parent doesn't even bother then why would the parent that had done the correct process have to back pay? I understand that it is the amount that you have to pay to support the children however if the negligent parent hasn't followed due diligence then shouldn't it be their problem to solve.

    I get annoyed at this as some people have raised it in the past, after separation / divorce your move on with your life and budget accordingly - yet an ex partner could be late with their tax return or not even do them after years and then you get hit with a large back pay debt. They have dealt with the amount of money that they had been getting for the children that long why would a back pay amount make any difference.

    It would be great if a legally qualified person would read these forums and offer some pro bono advice - I wonder if a statutory declaration to the CSA stating that you have fulfilled your obligation to advise them of your income and should the other parent not update them in a require timely fashion that you aren't liable to any back pay.
    By: Real CS info from Qld, Australia on September 8, 2015 @ 11:15 am
    Mike,

    There are options and approaches to best support the factual situation. The CoA under reason under reason should always consider both parents income.

    When applying for her income to be considered under Capacity to Earn (you must establish her business was an attempt to avoid or influence your CS). Capacity to pay touches on the personal benefit derived by the business to her - these are under reason 8 but are very different arguments.

    Mike if you are going to appeal you may need to spend some more time on what it is you are raising - so that you can address the points in a way that will encourage a more in depth look.
    By: Ian King from qld, Australia on September 8, 2015 @ 11:10 am
    Hi,

    My child support was recently increased from $149 per month to $1590 per month.

    I am currently objecting to the decision, however, in the meantime I am expected to pay this amount. Which I can not.

    Does anyone know how to apply for a "Stay Order" ?

    Thanks
    Ian
    By: Mike from WA, Aust on September 8, 2015 @ 8:46 am
    Thanks Paul
    Im a Govt employee with no investments (family court and CSA made sure of that) so its all straight fwd. I do my taxes on time and CS payment is taken straight from payroll dept. I have had 13 changes to my payslip over the last 2 years as a result of ol mate being allowed to do as she pleases. Try running a budget or planning anything when a new envelope with changes lobs in the mail unexpectedly. It seems the irresponsible parent gets rewarded, male or female!
    My wife broke down crying when my objection got declined because we we work hard, and live within our means, but ultimately we are now funding the exs decision to leave steady high paying employment to start a business.
    My oldest son turns 18 in 2 months and my payments only drop from $400 to $350 pfn. My other son is 14. How the hell did they calculate that!
    By: Paul from QLD, Australia on September 8, 2015 @ 10:39 am
    Good luck Mike, some things to note although you may already know this. My ex illegally used court documents produced during a property settlement to convince CSA that I was worth millions. As it stands my income assessment is $360k because my trust has shares in a business and they've added back pretty well any and every expense as a 'benefit' to me. When you are applying, make sure that you identify ALL possible add-backs. If you want a detailed list I can collate from my 88 page assessment. It helps to know which questions to ask. Private email paul.casley@bigpond.com.
    By: Mike from WA, Aust on September 8, 2015 @ 8:10 am
    Thanks Gents, I have had a win on an appeal years ago. I will appeal this reason 8, I just needed some feedback because Its a tiring process which distracts me from my work and family.I have been doing this sporadically for 11 years now. When things are going well you cop this rubbish that puts a spanner in the works. Bit over my family copping the consequences of her poor decisions. I will word my appeal carefully and factually as usual. Ill let you all know how I go in 4 months when they finally get back to me.
    Cheers.
    700. By: Real CS info from qld, Australia on September 8, 2015 @ 7:57 am
    Rob & Paul,

    Paul is correct and SSAT and AAT will use same rules to come to decision but it may be better or worse (depending on your role) than what CSA did.

    CoA should not be based on accusations but foundation. Rob if your ex-partner has a business there are ways to better write t he application and please note if CSA refused it you xan object and then gonto external appeal.

    All any external person can do is support you to put your best argument forward but at each point the decision is the delegates.

    By: Rob from QLD, Australia on September 8, 2015 @ 5:11 am
    Been reading through a few of these sites. Has anyone ever been successful in getting a reason 8 through CSA? My Ex runs her own business and doesn't even earn minimum wage! It is like she does it to avoid working full-time which I think is ridiculous. CSA in their wisdom refuse the reason 8 application and told me I was wasting their time as they can't force her to work. I just want my Ex to pull her weight financially and talking to the decision makers at CSA is like smacking your head into a brick wall, over and over. Anyone who has had success please let me know, Im seeing a lawyer in a couple of weeks to see if they can explain how to get around these moronic decision makers.
    By: paul from qld, australia on September 7, 2015 @ 7:41 pm
    Mike, I'm in the process of a mediation with the AAT at the moment. I've had the directions hearing which is basically a chance for you to state your case. By and large the process to date appears to be in line with what I would expect of CSA except that CSA have their own set of rules (apparently).
    The key difference to date is that the AAT asked for a financial statement from me up-front. CSA never requested this of me, preferring to believe the garbage fed to her by the MOTHER.
    I would encourage you to push the CSA to the limit. They will at some point have to refuse your application at which point you are entitled to go to the tribunal. Remember, if you've hidden anything the tribunal may actually INCREASE the support that you pay.
    You need to understand that the CSA are a law unto themselves because of the very poor wording of the Act. Basically, the Registrar is allowed discretion in making an income variation decision and delegates that authority to a handful of peanuts within the department. My experience to date is that no knowledgable persons actually assist with this determination (and I'm talking about qualified accountants).
    Delegates are making decisions on anything from profit/loss statements to balance sheet analysis and even anticipated dividends, whether your ex gets them or not. I've done a particularly good job (or so it appears) of pissing off every person in the department so I've made a rod for my back. If there is any way that you can work with them you have a fighting chance. Of course it would help if you sacrificed a testicle to the cause...maybe that's where I went wrong?
    My suggestion is don't give up, that's what they rely on because they are swamped with complaints and appeals, this is of their own doing of course.
    My position as it stands is that they claim that I owe circa 30k, I now pay nothing and they've tried a garnesheer, placed a Departure Prohibition Order on me and they continue to increase my liability through their 'automated' reviews. This truly is a mindless process, the government should be ashamed and the 'public' needs to know the real deadbeat dad story, as opposed to the bullshit that we've grown to accept.
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on September 7, 2015 @ 2:59 pm
    Mike - object to the decision (you have 28 days). if that time is past, lodge again, then object.

    you can also object to the decision of the person who reviews the initial decision - this goes to the AAT / SSAT.

    I am currently going through this process and am at the AAT phase. I got some wins through the objection process, but think there are other things that need to be considered.
    By: Mike from WA, Australia15 on September 7, 2015 @ 2:13 pm
    Hi all. My ex has left her employment earning 70k plus car to start her own business. My payments effectively doubled as her fledgling business in 6 months only showed 46k in
    come minus 34k in expenses.
    I put in a COA reason 8 as I assumed she has shown a capacity to earn 70k. She wasnt fired or made redundant, just left.As anticipated, CSA rejected this and declined my COA. Even though she has had 9 jobs in 10 years (proven through her Linkedin profile). Never fired or let go, just walked. When she does this, my payments yo yo, without warning. I have a new family and try to budget responsibly and plan for events such as a newborn, mortgage, holidays with children etc.She has a history of this and has had to back pay me once before, but not after I had to fight through the process Have I got a case to appeal? Her response was tit for tat bitterness and full of non facts without any evidence. But CSA case officer agreed. My kids actually miss out on things now when with me because my disposable income is now minimal.
    Any suggestions?
    By: john from NT, Australia on September 7, 2015 @ 3:02 am
    Hey Clint nice one mate.

    Yep you will do what you have to in order to survive - well done and good luck. No good waiting for the 'system' to adjust to suit us payers.

    I am leaving the cuntry soon to get my life back in order. Leaving my three twisted (parental alienation syndrome) kids here.

    On a broader note this is an interesting article that would be of interest to us 'payers/losers" in regards to so called 'proceeds of crime' Law. Turns out a QC has stood up to the AFP and handed the crims a free-kick.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/supreme-court-ruling-curbs-afps-draconian-proceeds-of-crime-powers-20150906-gjg98p.html

    Can you imagine if we payers' had the same legal rights under the Family Law ACT ha - never happen! but the article shows you that crims are better protected than us. Too mind this makes me imagine that the 'wigs' are looking after their 'well healed' friends on the other side. Choose your friends wisely !

    Good luck all.
    By: Oscar from SA, Austraia on September 6, 2015 @ 6:29 pm
    Hi Clint

    i am interested in your DVO hearing. am flying to Qld in the next couple of weeks to attend one myself. like to know about the procedure etc.

    have you got an email or phone i can contact you on ??

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