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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: John from NT, Australia on December 19, 2014 @ 12:40 pm
    Proletariats

    Ha here is the reason IMO that most of you including myself have wasted so much time getting anything usefull out of the Dept of Inhuman Services.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/department-of-human-services-has-crazy-culture-of-commandandcontrol-says-labor-20141218-129ued.html

    here is a brief extract from same article:
    ...In his report, Information Commissioner John McMillan revealed an organisation that preferred legalese to plain English and had increasingly
    lost sight of its duty to share information. The report exposed a number of stock techniques that DHS bureaucrats used to deny people their legal
    right to information held about them.

    Do you know more? Send your confidential tips to ps@canberratimes.com.au

    Professor McMillan recommended the department take its FOI process out of the hands of lawyers and that it should engage more with applicants
    and try to understand what they were seeking from the freedom of information process......

    I was tempted to waste a few 10's of hours getting a FOI request processed but in hindsight glad I didn't bother.

    Cretins the lot of them!

    Merry Christmas and Happy new year - I hope yuo can see your kids as I am NOT.



    By: dave from South australia , australia on December 15, 2014 @ 1:16 pm
    the Australian child support agency is the most bigoted, sexist corrupt departments with in government.
    I have 3 children ..2 living with me full time and one with my Ex (who refuses me a relationship with this child).
    I work and my ex works cash in hand while claiming single parenting benefit.
    They look at my ex for child support for my residential children and decide "she is not in a position to pay me. they then look at my income and decided I'm in a position to pay her.
    There is no allowance in there calculation to cover any cost of raising my residential children.
    my advise to all would be to report every decision they make to an appeal and formally complain to the government minister about this department.
    they need to be accountable for there actions and decisions
    By: robin from nsw, australia on December 9, 2014 @ 12:27 pm
    Elsa from WA
    Your husband needs to have the kids a 110+ nights a yr this meaning friday - Sunday every second weekend as well as in 1 week in all school holidays plus 2 weeks at christmas to have his payments droped down ( day only time dont count as a night sleep over )
    The Xs new partner dont come into play as csa dont use his income into it and sorry to say but your baby only accounts and adds up to 1% care on your husbands wage
    By: Elsa from WA, Australia on December 5, 2014 @ 1:57 pm
    My husband and his ex are struggling with their children care issues. Due to the unfair child support formula, calculated based on their salary, my husband's salary is higher then his ex a lot, so he has to pay a lot to his ex (actually most cases men earn more than women) , because she is the main carer, my husband cares 14%/month for his kids.

    The problem is, his ex is with her partner who has high salary, her salary doesn't reflect her capability of paying child support, plus over 2 years her salary doesn't increase at all, so this is assets rich but salary poor case. She can also quit her job to get even more child support from my husband. However, my husband is the only one to support me and my 7 months old baby (I'm not working for over a year). His salary pays for child support first, then bills, loan and house...the rest is for his new family, we have been suffering from the serious financial issue.

    We appealed 2 times to the CSA, but they don't want to do anything, they said big house or other luxuries can be on loan or mortgage, how come this explanation is unfair, they didn't even investigate. I feel so hopeless and I've been so depressed, my child doesn't deserve to be second class child.

    Then my husband wants to take kids back as equal care with their mum, but she doesn't agree with that because she is taking benefit from CSA, WTF! We think we may apply court case, but it takes ages, our financial problem has to be solved soon. I don't mind my husband pay for his kids because this is his responsibility but I'm not happy with kids mother doing nothing, doesn't even need to spend a cent on child support but save all her salary and enjoy her life very well with high salary partner. (She still want to get as much as she can from my husband) ! what a greedy bitch!

    I don't know what to do now!
    By: Elsa from WA, Australia on December 5, 2014 @ 1:57 pm
    My husband and his ex are struggling with their children care issues. Due to the unfair child support formula, calculated based on their salary, my husband's salary is higher then his ex a lot, so he has to pay a lot to his ex (actually most cases men earn more than women) , because she is the main carer, my husband cares 14%/month for his kids.

    The problem is, his ex is with her partner who has high salary, her salary doesn't reflect her capability of paying child support, plus over 2 years her salary doesn't increase at all, so this is assets rich but salary poor case. She can also quit her job to get even more child support from my husband. However, my husband is the only one to support me and my 7 months old baby (I'm not working for over a year). His salary pays for child support first, then bills, loan and house...the rest is for his new family, we have been suffering from the serious financial issue.

    We appealed 2 times to the CSA, but they don't want to do anything, they said big house or other luxuries can be on loan or mortgage, how come this explanation is unfair, they didn't even investigate. I feel so hopeless and I've been so depressed, my child doesn't deserve to be second class child.

    Then my husband wants to take kids back as equal care with their mum, but she doesn't agree with that because she is taking benefit from CSA, WTF! We think we may apply court case, but it takes ages, our financial problem has to be solved soon. I don't mind my husband pay for his kids because this is his responsibility but I'm not happy with kids mother doing nothing, doesn't even need to spend a cent on child support but save all her salary and enjoy her life very well with high salary partner. (She still want to get as much as she can from my husband) ! what a greedy bitch!

    I don't know what to do now!
    340. By: Brock from Vic, Australia on December 2, 2014 @ 8:44 pm
    Why do our politicians take so long to understand the policies they have introduced to look after our children, don't look after the children at all. I'm happy to pay money towards my children, but it was two parents that created these lives, and yet one can buy new cars and holiday while not working, and the other parent watches the cash fly out the door and the kids go without.
    I once thought our country was based on equality, and a fair go for all. Not when you deal the family law courts or CSA.
    Give the carer a card to tic items up on and see where the money is really going.
    I bet the politicians are just as gutless as the snipper working at CSA.
    Things need to change.
    Depression, drug use, suicide, assault and even murder can all be linked to the discraceful pressure CSA put on our fellow Australian people, man and woman.
    Sad state of affairs some of us have to deal with.
    By: Jay jay from Vic, Australia on December 1, 2014 @ 4:27 pm
    Is this a load of B.S????
    I am in the arrears of $1400. I earn only $51k and they currently take out $76 pw prior to court case. Now the will start taking out an additional $58 because I am in the arrears, how can they do this as my wife does not work and we have a 5 yr old child together. Can someone urgently help with some info please!!!!!!!
    So I can't feed my family cause the so called other child that I have not seen since after his birth for 11 years is more important then my current family??.?.?.??.?.?

    This isn't right. Can I get some advice please??

    First I was told it wasn't mine 11 years ago and I got kicked out of where I was living with her, now she's filed for child support etc. paternity test is done and all and I am the father but it's total B.S
    By: Jane from Queensland, Australia on November 27, 2014 @ 7:49 pm
    well done TezPerth, as you said a win is a win
    By: TezPerth from WA, Australia on November 27, 2014 @ 4:07 pm
    Haha had a minor win, after CSA raped my bank account, I rang and tore shreds off them. They have an agreement with me to garnish pay, I went to have an account unfrozen as mentioned a few posts ago, and they unfroze it and took all my money. While tearing shreds I told them that money was my after tax/after child support pay, you parasites are double dipping, give me my money back or I'm coming in there. At this point I got the "we take threats seriously and will report to police", I advised if I have a problem with a bank, I wont ring up i'll go in there, same deal for you if the monkey I'm dealing with cant make a decision, i'll talk to a monkey who can actually decide something rather than talk to a phone answering chimp. I got a message back the next week....money taken has been returned. A win is a win with these idiots.
    By: John from NT, Australia on November 24, 2014 @ 11:19 am
    Ky

    Yes your situation proves beyond reasonable doubt that whilst its men that are mostly affected (over 90% I believe) it is also women like
    yourself that are bought down by the Family Law Courts 'care pencentage' and formula assessment.

    Make no mistake; its crap laws that need reforming and your situation is an exact replica of mine.

    For me though I was lucky having started a family late. I have now reached 'preservation age' and can retire from the workforce
    which I will be doing soon. It has cost me several thousand dollars (legal, psychologist, GP) fees to get all the evidence I need
    to prove I am not a dead beat father (seems to be a trend here) first though. This if needed to fend off the potential
    CSA investigation that I have anticipated if the x lodges an 'objection'.

    I didn't want this result and have been forced to retire 10 years before my time and the kids well who knows what their fate
    will be.

    Just for your information have a look at Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS) on the net - I have read up on this and
    it certainly applies in my situation. Perhaps there is some info in their that explains why you are treated life shit
    by your x.

    Good luck Ky - I feel sorry for you. Take care!
    By: Lu33 from W.A, Australia on November 23, 2014 @ 8:20 am
    i have sat here reading this this morning cos I'm at my wits end with csa .. I've been with my partner for 11 yrs and for those 11 yrs he's paid his csa and fought to no avail to be in his daughters lives he's been slagged off constantly for being s dead beat dad when the x is the one preventing him from seeing them. He like many others decided to go mining so we can get somewhere and now he's slugged over $2000 per month :( so we loose him to the mine and still see no light ... His eldest turns 18 in 6 months but apparently his csa payments only reduce to $1350 per month for 1 child ... Why is one child worth $650 per month and the other $1350?? We struggle constantly , he has raised my son since 3 yrs old no one gives me $1350 per month for him! His dad pays $180 per week which is great no complaints but tell me why mine can be raised on that yet his youngest needs $337 per week to survive ... Csa should be a flat rate as families like us can get no where. His x holidays every few months (without children) has brand knew car own home etc... We can't get out of our rental there's nothing to save :( I've been on the other side I understand how it feels when the dad is a dead beat but this is just not fair I want to scream in some polly's face but what's the point ... My partner is now depressed and after all this time the cracks r showing with us all cos of csa , 2 men at his mine have now ended their lives thru similar situations and it terrifies me someone needs to take a long hard look at this b4 too many more good dads doing the right thing loose their lives or their knew families thru thing out of their control.
    By: Ky from Nsw, Aus on November 22, 2014 @ 1:20 pm
    Hi, I feel and understand your point. I know I'm a mum not a father but guess what, after years of mental abuse I asked for a divorce, what I got was thrown out of my house and my children were not able to see me. 2 days after he threw me out he claimed child support. I'm the bread winner and have always been but he does work full time and earns an above average wage, so we were ok financially. He 'allows' some access now but when he realised that the kids staying overnight at my home (of which I rent and had to borrow almost everything to begin again as all I have is the shirt on my back) affected how much money I have to pay him, so he keeps ringing CSa claiming 100% care he hasn't provided any evidence but I have to prove the sleepovers I rarely get to prove a pattern. I'm currently paying $520 per week for 3 kids. By the time I pay rent I can barely buy myself food, let alone pay the $5000 of bills he left in my name. I'm in the process of taking him to court to access my children but the time it takes is impossible. The system is not right there needs to be a cap on the cost of raising children just because I have worked my backside off and built a career for 20 years should mean I am left so little that struggle to even have the basics. He gets to live off me while I starve and in the middle are my poor kids who because I have no money left to buy them even the basic things they need find my home budget and boring. My only hope is the family law court, because as it seems I have no rights.
    By: Paul Carpenter from NSW, Australia on November 11, 2014 @ 4:43 pm
    Tezperth you are better off threatening them with legal action. They hide behind ACTs not the law. Threaten to sue individuals for neglegance. They are under the belief they are immune from civil law.

    Individuals in any kid of job can be taken to court and sued for neglegance even government employees.. It had to have an individual sign off on the action is would not be a computor generated action. I would start with the head of child support first and your local MP.

    Good luck my friend
    By: TezPerth from WA, Australia on November 11, 2014 @ 11:18 am
    Here we go again, had two accounts frozen last year, one was sorted, the other I wasn't using etc, till now. Went to the bank to have it sorted, eventually had the other account unfrozen. The next day even though I have an agreement, and wages are being garnished, my bank accounts are cleaned out. After yet another heated call, (I know I wont get that money back), but I demand it back anyway, the account should not have been frozen as I have been working etc etc, clown on phone says she'll ask the clown above her once the money hits to see if it will be sent back to me, (which I doubt). It may take a week she said, if not I told her I will go to CSA in Perth and create a scene for the sake of it, it wont achieve anything, other than make my life hard, i'll make yours hard too.
    By: Brad from wa, oz on November 10, 2014 @ 5:39 pm
    logging in all the time is a pain fit this site ... it needs updating ...
    CSA are a butch of theives...
    it is theft plain and simple ...
    resist paying always ...
    I
    my bitch got the house everything
    where is the men's support agency?
    330. By: Paul Carpenter from NSW, Australia on November 10, 2014 @ 8:23 pm
    At least they don't put our face on the local Post Office wall here or put us into jail or cancel our driver's license for not paying Child Support.

    Putting someone in jail or cancelling their license kinda defeats the purpose of getting them to pay child support doesn't it?

    Ever thought about giving CSA a Promisorry note for and CSA debt?

    I did read somewhere that as far as the ATO is concerned a Promisorrory note is legal tender. Might be worth a try.

    Go to www.getoutofdebtfree.net or it might be .org not 100% sure on that one. They will show you how to do a Promisesorry note for free.

    Please excuse my spelling this flaming thing will not let me spell it correctly.

    I am thinking of doing it. I am going to make the date I am promising to pay probably long after I am dead and buried.

    Paul.
    By: Paul Carpenter from NSW, Australia on November 10, 2014 @ 7:33 pm
    The CSA Agency where do I start?? I just can not wait for their END OF FINANCIAL YEAR CREATIVE ACCOUNTING. I injured myself March 30th 2014 on my way to work at 10.30 pm at night. It was a rainy Sunday night leaves blocked the guttering above the main door ways of our apartment block and because of the rain there was once again a waterfall falling right in front of the door way. By my trying to dodge the water fall even though I had my wet weather gear on I slipped down about three steps and blew my right knee out. HaHAAAAAA I could not go to work. Is everyone aware that we are no longer covered by WORKERS COMP in N.S.W going to and from work. I did know even at the time I hurt myself. It is now November 10th 2014 and I have not worked a day since. How ever I am still obliged to pay the over $2,000 per month CSA payments to CSA.

    My Eldest left school at 15 in New Zealand but did not start working full time until he was 16. His mother even lied about when he starting working full time. Not only that at the time I was paying about $1,000. per month he went off Child Support and my CSA payments went up a thousand a month, how does that work??

    I have remarried and the child support I pay drives my wife nuts. Mind you she comes from a country where when a couple married or defacto split up the parent left with the kids are out on their own which is something I am not comfortable with. In willingly pay child support so long as it is sustainable. My income before tax and child support with out over time is $3,098.00 a fortnight with out over time or meal allowances. I do not always get over time or meal allowances so if I am on the bare minimum so to speak I am left with about $2,400. a month our rent is $1,400. a month. Myself and my wife gets what is left to live on.

    My wife does not speak English well as unfortunately she just not have the ability to attend school in her country. So for her to get a job that pays reasonably well is next to zero. She does struggle with English but at least we understand each other most of the time and it sure does have it's humorous moments. But anyway I am quite prepared to help anyone in anyway I can here. Just remember this if you do not put a tax return in they will assess you on last years return and also I have been told the ATO is now fining people for not putting returns in.

    Takecare and GOD BLESS everyone.
    Paul.

    By: Bruce H from WA, Australia on November 10, 2014 @ 7:45 am
    Penny: my take on property settlements was all assets/liabilities are fair game up until a binding financial agreement or property hearing/court order, whether a divorce has occurred or not. Assets/liabilities accumulated through the marriage are the most significant and carry the most weight, however other A/L maybe relevant thereafter until the finish line. ie. final prop orders. As for your car bought after the divorce it maybe wise to mention it [under full+ frank disclosure rules]. Also is the car an asset with equity in it or is there a loan on it creating a liability. Anyway, hope this sheds some light whether it be absolutely correct or not.
    By: Penny from Victoria, Australia on November 8, 2014 @ 8:28 pm
    I am doing my own property settlement up against my exes bitchy lawyer and unsure whether I have to to include my car in the financial statement, when it was bought well after the divorce was finalized (about 10 mths). Can anyone help?
    By: Bruce Heldorf from WA, Australia on November 8, 2014 @ 7:55 pm
    Hi Jane, just ensure the private agreement is clear, in writing, witnessed + made legal. Lawfully, it should stand strong, however in the world of contracts, people + CSA can anything ever be guaranteed 100%?
    By: Jane from Queensland, Australia on November 7, 2014 @ 9:53 pm
    So, the X has discovered that all of the centrelink payments and benefits that were once enjoyed, are no longer being paid because of the $1078/week that is being received to her for the two children (CS). So now the X wants to make a private agreement that would benefit us and them (new payment down to 700/week). If she tells CSA that we have a private agreement, can she then go back later and demand the excess in back payments that she will no longer receive due to the private agreement?
    By: John from NT, Australia on November 4, 2014 @ 2:15 pm
    Hi all
    The Law is unfair as indeed it has been since its inception. Especially unfair when the effective custody is 0% / 100% split. This is particularly pernicious.

    The Judiciary (Family Law Court) makes judgements within the Law and discretionary powers accorded that Court.

    Essentially if we want law reform we must go for the pollies and make them the focus of our attention.

    Thing is 'the system' as it is collects enormous CSA payments by gouging the 0% partner. The system will not change whilst this is the case, its saving the taxpayer billions in family welfare payments.

    So you as the 0% (loser basically) MUST take it on the chin and move to a non-reciprocating country to live out your days or until the youngest child turns 18.

    You may wish to inform yourself by spending some time with your local Legal Advice Bureau - they can assist in providing some background to your options (usually none).

    The more 0% ers that leave the country the better as far as I am concerned and Oh! Sorry forgot too mention. This Family Law Act was supposed to be supporting the children. Clearly this appears to be the case on face value but if you are a 0% er it is incontestable; YOU ARE THE GREATEST FOOL! Certainly I feel some conviction that my life has been (financially at least) destroyed.

    This site is great to vent your fury, but alas it will not change a thing in Law.

    Good luck and God bless.

    By: Erin from QLD, Australia on November 3, 2014 @ 10:04 pm
    Have no idea if any of the government read this page but I highly doubt it... My feelings on child support is that it is 50/50 as in the child has both parents DNA thus if we pay $500 a week then it should be the mother is obligated to do the same. And I think we all know that it does not and would not cost $1000.00 per week to raise one 13yr old child. Jane any tips or hints on overseas would be greatly appreciated I will be applying for a few tomorrow fingers and toes crossed๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š
    By: Jane from Queensland, Australia on November 3, 2014 @ 9:55 pm
    Does anybody now it a Federal MP actually reads any of these comments?
    Or is this a much needed place for us to vent?
    By: Samantha from NSW, Australia on November 3, 2014 @ 2:22 pm
    Yes it does Ron. The stupid part is I am the higher wage earner but chose to have time off to raise my son. It would have been much smarter to do it the other way around.
    The best bit is we both desperately want another child, but there is just no way we can afford it. Not just the cost raising another child, but I would have to take more time off putting us back to square one.
    So CSA has deprived my son not only of financial security, but also a sibling.
    But its ok ... at least my husbands other children are taken care of.
    320. By: Anthony from Vic, Aust on November 3, 2014 @ 1:42 pm
    Just thought I'd share my experience...
    We can blame CSA till the cows come home, but what I'm sure most people are saying is that the law is unfair.
    When people decide not to be ruled by the coin, then alternative solutions will present themselves.
    Meaning, don't let a dollar sign decide your happiness.
    Write to the federal MP about child support policy, I have.
    It is their duty to respond to every letter.
    If at first you don't succeed, try try again.
    Only through persistence and perseverance will you overcome adversity.
    By: Ron Ferguson from NSW, Australia on November 3, 2014 @ 12:39 pm
    We're living parallel lives Samantha. Our only option is for me to be the stay at home dad while my new wife studies and will eventually work. I can do casual work that is low paid or else it's simply not worth me working.
    By: Samantha from NSW, Australia on November 3, 2014 @ 11:42 am
    I'm a little late to this, but CSA is pretty much running my life because of what my husband has to pay his ex wife. Approx 25% of his take home salary goes to Child Support. After that, rent, bills etc all come out I am struggling to afford to feed us, as I was by choice a stay at home mum. I no longer have that choice and have to go back to work so we can afford to live.
    My husband and I have a 2 year old, who is missing out on so much because of the amount that is being paid to his ex. It seems like the CSA has deemed that his other children are so much more important than our son, which just breaks my heart. He's in 2nd hand clothes, has hand me down toys and my husbands ex is taking her 3 kids on a family holiday to New Zealand.
    I understand that his other kids are important and he should definitely assist them financially, but why does it have to be at the detriment of our son?
    To make things worse, the reason he has to pay so much is because according to CSA he has 0% of care, but if his ex adhered to the Parenting orders he would have them 23% of the time.
    But then CSA don't give a damn if the ex is breaking the law or not, they have taken her word on everything every single step of the way.
    By: Erin from QLD, Australia on November 2, 2014 @ 4:30 pm
    Hi Jane yes depending on where he is going... If u do not pay tax in Australia then CSA CANT TOUCH HIS INCOME!! Even better if your relocating as he wouldn't be a resident of Australia nor pay tax. Just remember you can't leave Australia if u have a debt to the tax office or CSA It would need to be paid in full๐Ÿ˜Š I don't know where your husband is going but investigate it hopefully u are lucky and it will go that way for you. Keep in mind it is not all country's๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€ Good luck
    By: Jane from Queensland, Australia on November 2, 2014 @ 3:42 pm
    Erin - you mentioned overseas? My husband has also been offered a position overseas. Is there a difference in CS if he accepts this position and we move over there?
    By: Erin from QLD, Australia on October 30, 2014 @ 8:26 pm
    Jane I feel your pain my husband is 4wks on and 1wk off and gets 2 days off in that 4wks he is away... I am disgusted with the whole process it should be an equal amount paid by both parents and there is no way a 13yr old cost 500 to 600 per week. I should know as we have my daughter who lives with us and is the same age!! My husbands daughter only talks to him once a week and he has now stopped asking to see her as her response is always no. And unfortunately we are of the opinion that if she ever comes into our lives when she is over 18 for anything other then getting to know her father again she will be sent away. My husband is not an ATM but this is how he is treated. Only 5yrs left for us we are even tempted in holding off on doing tax (we have always done the right thing but after CSA lately we are really tempted not to do it). Hubby is also looking for overseas. Hang in there Jane๐Ÿ˜Š
    By: Jane from Queensland, Australia on October 30, 2014 @ 8:11 pm
    John,
    thankyou - here's hoping we don't have to continue to live just above the poverty line for too many years
    By: John from NT, Aust on October 30, 2014 @ 6:07 am
    Jane
    Oh I sympathise with your situ the system sucks.
    I had the same issue exactly, after settling property i had 175K
    avail which was not enough to buy a caravan site for accomm (Darwin)So i invested the funds in Teltra shares for income. Started getting ahead nicely. CSA came along and said "righty we'll have that" so in Sept 2011 I divested this income stream and have since made myself a smaller target where possible by legitimately reducing income. This has left me just living above the poverty line and not attractive to the 'fairer sex' to start a relationship again. It's cruel unjust and everything else you can think off.

    I am not bitter for this though and many on this site deride the CSA (debt collectors) for their actions. The CSA is simply doing their job. No it's 'the wigs' (Family Law Courts) and the pollies (legislating crap laws) that are to blame for all this unfairness. Law reform is what's required.

    Unfortunately knowing what I do about 'the system' in particular the political system. I will let all this crap fester in a cuntry that has lost its way. Particularly with its treatment of men with earning capacity many of whom are treated as ATM's. With no recourse under the current Law.

    No the solution for me and I hope many others will twig onto this is to get out of this cuntry 'its hostile and toxic.

    Jane and partner I wish you the best of luck.

    Sympathies John
    By: Jane from Qld, Australia on October 29, 2014 @ 8:40 pm
    My partner has always paid the amount instructed by child support to his X for his two daughters, however he is "not allowed" to see the girls as there is always a family event that they have to attend with their stepfathers family.
    My partner has recently started a new position which has him working away for four weeks and home for one. We decided to do this for a year so we can get ahead. I also work fulltime so our plan to get ahead and buy a home looked like it could happen. Now Child Support tell him he has to pay $1078/week.
    Our decision now,,,"is it worth him working away from home so we can get ahead?"
    The X does not work and has now talked her new husband to start an adult apprenticeship after all with the amount of CS she is now receiving they can live comfortable and still be able to go on holidays.
    It does not cost $1078/week to raise two girls aged 14 and 16. I think the system is grossly unfair. The payer is not allowed to get ahead in life. It is as if he/she is being penalised for not having the children no matter how hard he/she fights to see them
    By: John from NT, Australia on October 29, 2014 @ 9:20 am
    Dave
    The CSA is in no position to tell you what they will do for you.
    If either parties income varies from what the CSA have on their books either party can lodge a "Change of Assessment" at any time in the annual pay cycle.

    The CSA are simply BS you (as usual). What you can do is lodge an appeal/Objection and CSA is obligated to check 'her' income they don't have to disclose this to you though.

    If you are 'private collect' the two parties have to agree how any outstanding (arrears) can be colected. The paying party however, must still be able to live and can pay the debt off in a reasonable time. For e.g. I am paying off a 2K debt at 200 per forntnight currently.

    Hope this helps.

    Also with her income make sure the CSA is counting her Family Tax benefit A. Many Fems out there dont declare this in their income thus doing a sneaky one. The system supports them though so nuff said about that.

    Good luck matey!

    310. By: Erin from QLD, Australia on October 29, 2014 @ 7:38 am
    Dave if the amount is not greater then 15% what she estimated then they do not have too. My husband and I have just been screwed over for this my husband under estimated and not on purpose it was due to a job change and not knowing what we would get!! CSA have backed dated so we now have a $5000.00 debt and on top of that we are now being forced to pay $600.00 a week until February! Wait for it even when February comes we will still be paying $300 per week as they say a 13yr old costs that much... I have a 13yr old and she does not get $300pw I can assure u.
    By: Dave from South Australia, Australia on October 29, 2014 @ 7:53 am
    Can someone point me in the right direction as I need some help. My ex has to pay child support but she under declared her income by $7,000 which meant she didnt pay the correct amount, yet the CSA refuses to do an amendment. what are my rights and who do I complain to about the discrimination.
    By: J-man from Vic, Australia on October 26, 2014 @ 12:03 am
    I hv posted on here at the start of the year sometime. I believe this stupid legislation is not for all circumstances but for one cause and one cause only. The female gets looked after in most cases more then the men. Legislation is up the pole so to speak. This unjust law needs to be changed and changed quickly. Too many innocent people, kids get hurt all because of this legislation that's all for the woman. (Not being sexist here by no means)
    I will make up an email address and I need you all that have been controlled unwillingly, treated unfairly, if you believe that the legislation or law is unjust for your situation, please email me your full story . I plan to compile these stories and take it to my local member of parliament . Remember your ex is not to be blamed but rather the legislation that csa uses against us.
    If you want to join me in taking these real life stories to the council, by all means join me. If we can get together and protest outside Parliament House lets do it! I'm sick of being told what to do because of a legislation that looks at your situation one way. Everyone's situation and circumstances are different from the next person but legislation looks at it only one way.
    I am serious about this so fathers: let's fight for justice and change.
    In my case, my ex partner is crying poor and I hv to pay x amount, I'm struggling too but if yr crying poor how is it that u want my signature to authorise you to take my so called child with you on a holiday to another country. This annoys me greatly! I want change fathers. I can't do it without yr help. I am from Victoria Northern suburbs. plz reply to this if yr willing to share yr story via email to me.

    *exercise patience*

    Peace!

    By: Anthony from Vic, Aust on October 16, 2014 @ 6:21 am
    From what I'm aware of, in terms of debt collection by CSA they are legally able to charge 7 base points on top of the reserve rate = 9.5 p.a, billed monthly.
    In is in the act and was pointed out to me by a case worker.
    Just like councils and other government agencies the law is written in their favour, to protect them from any legal chellange or negligence.
    For eg. My car ran into the pot hole and had over $5000 of damage.
    Legislation is written so that because the council was UNAWARE, they were not liable. Once awareness is raised or reported of such a fault it is then their DUTY to the public to fix this hazard.

    So basically, before you divorce or split up ring CSA before this happens so you know your rights and can make an informed decision.

    If only it worked the other way around, where just because you were UNAWARE of CSA and their debt recovery methods you are not liable.

    My advice is...be patient there is light at the end of the tunnel meaning children grow up and are no longer dependent on support.
    Sure, it might be on average 10 years of bullshit, but there is an end point and I think more people focus too much on the now, rather than being thankful that's the price to pay to end a toxic relationship, with children.

    By: richard from wa, australia on October 15, 2014 @ 4:10 pm
    Can anyone tell me is CSA allowed to decide to tax you more than you earn and if so where is this legislation. The ATO are unable to do this so why should any other tax be such. The UN calls this bonding I think whereby people sell their labour to pay a debt but the interest on the debt becomes higher than their labour can pay and therefore the person is bonded into labour for life. this is illegal according to the UN and Australia. yet in my case it seems the government is above the law. I would like to see a class action against the CSA on this to test the legality of this.
    By: robin from nsw, australia on October 7, 2014 @ 3:36 pm
    Reply to lisa from SA
    You need everything in writing asap
    Dont worry about the child support payments ( it will bite him on the ass ) if your child goes with his father and you dont know where the x lives dont let the kid go
    Family law states that all parties have to have a address to give to the other party at all times
    If you are not happy about letting your son go then dont unless its in writing and signed of from a court there is nothing your x can do about it ( this also includes any clothes you give all can be put into writing )
    A child being safe is the most important thing
    By: Johnny B from NSW, Australia on October 2, 2014 @ 11:56 am
    Lisa: If a magic wand existed, what changes would you like?
    By: Lisa from South Australia, Australia on October 2, 2014 @ 10:36 am
    I left with nothing. I don't get any help with child care either. I don't think it's boring it's stressful and lay awake at night worrying. I think my situation is unfair and it's frustrating. I can understand where men are coming from. I don't want to pay my ex child support either. Sometimes single mothers feel like they have been used too.
    By: Johnny B from NSW, Australia on October 2, 2014 @ 10:39 am
    Lisa: I have raised children with a difficult X and it's absolutely no fun at all. If you have a scorned X (scorned in their mind at least) then one has double trouble on their hands.

    firstly, what you're describing is parenting, people, their personalities, values and expectations, which whilst fascinating are in depth topics.

    The difficulties you're experiencing with your ex is probably why you split in the first place. The difference in core values is most likely why you're not compatible, now and before, as frustrating as it is. Did you plan to get pregnant to this man or was it an accident, and who left who and why?

    Whilst this to some degree may sound absurd, let me say that nothing is right, wrong, fair or unfair - it's only what you create and perceive it to be. Whilst nobody is perfect, some people are an absolute disgrace and shouldn't be let near a child!!!

    What I suggest is you do a pros/cons list of your exes parenting as to the effect it has on the well-being and positive development of your son. As the primary carer you have to comfortable your son's overall well-being is happy and safe. If not, trust your intuition to do whatever it takes to keep your boy safe!
    By: Steven from VIC, Australia on October 2, 2014 @ 6:52 am
    To the ladies on here who claim oh my poor partner is being screwed by his ex for child support. Your quite simply shockers. You are one and same people that will go for broke to get as much money as possible at the time of seperation and quite often us the system to your best advantage.
    Single women perceive men as "They are their children they should pay" No one argues with that at all. However Aust also has a very low rate of women returning to the work force. I have a 13 yr old sun where once i pay CSA and my ex earns money froma so called pension she is now earning the same wage as me. Give me a break...we all want fairness in this...no guy should not look after his kids. But ladies and i do use that term losely stop the rubbish. Its really quite boring.
    300. By: Lisa from South Australia, Australia on October 2, 2014 @ 1:29 am
    As a single mum I would really appreciate a dad's perspective because I am at loss at how to be civil with my ex. I am 30 years old with one son. We separated when our son was 6 months. Since then my son has stayed with him for 3 nights a fortnight. Our son is now 3 years old. I have only ever received the minimum child support which is now $19 a month. He now lives with his partner who apparently supports him and he doesn't have a job or receive money from Centrelink. He also won't tell me his address. He has told me the suburb which is the other side of town and and most of the time picks him up in his girlfriends car. He loans me pair of shoes and second hand clothes and I give him clothing to use as well. I asked him on several occasions if he could get his son's haircut and he refused. My question is how much does he value his son? I asked about the future and our son's schooling and it looks like I'm footing the bill. Is it fair to make me pay for everything? I don't want my son to miss out and it makes my life harder. Not knowing his address also stresses me out. I feel as though I am a bad mother allowing him to go but if I refuse to allow him to go being civil has gone out the window and my son will be upset.
    By: Neil from NSW, Australia on September 26, 2014 @ 6:34 pm
    Annoyed
    The law as it stands now allows for rulings that will affect children.... usually the mothers and rulings that don't usually the fathers.
    EG if the mother has been ordered by the courts to give access but doesn't she wont be jailed or penalties applied because it will affect the children.
    If a non custodial parent ignores a court order s/he can be jailed for contempt of court

    Family law is not real law as it is not equal or just and has no peer reviews I.E scrutiny of judgements by society as a whole as is the case with all other law
    By: Annoyed from Qld, Australia on September 26, 2014 @ 4:47 pm
    So, according to CSA Law, it is illegal for the payer to do things like reduce hours, change jobs etc that will lower their gross income, meaning lower child support payments, but it is fine for the payee to stop access, court ordered or not, to increase child support payments. One screwed up system, cs payments and access should be tied together, might stop some of the payees from withholding access !!
    By: John from NT, Australia on September 16, 2014 @ 11:51 am
    Locky from Victoria

    Unfortunately the so called 'earnings capacity' is assessed at the time you break-up. Often this is at a time when the man is head down bum up working his arse off earning to support a dependent family and often the lady of the house is in P/t work as yours was and still is.

    So this is where the 'clock starts' consider it your 'baseline'. As you allude too its the Wigs (toxic feminist) in the Family Law Court and their debt collectors (CSA) that interpret the F*&d legislation to grind you to a pulp.

    Locky - get this! you're only a man and a white man even worse so you are in a difficult situation but there is no sympathy or support for you from 'the system' which feeds off you like a parasite having no respect for the Host. The only general guidance I can offer you is the following:

    1) Make yourself a smaller target i.e by reducing your earnings capacity. To do this though you will need psychological assessments GP records for mental illness stress, anxiety, depression (SAD) etc etc.

    2) Since you have 8 year of CSA to go seriously consider leaving the country. Especially if you have transferrable skills and go to a non-reciprocating country to live.

    I am thinking of offering a 'support service' for guys like you after I make the move overseas.

    In the meantime mate. Keep posting to this site and try the local legal aid people in Victoria for guidance. Although the current Cwlth Govt has stripped these agencies of funding recently.

    Good luck mate and keep in touch.

    Regards

    John

    By: robin from nsw, australia on September 16, 2014 @ 1:40 pm
    Hi
    Locky from Victora
    CSA do have the power to lock bank accounts down BUT they can not take more than 15% thats in the account other wise its classed hard ship grounds on your part ( they did his to my bf and took over 2500 from account )you have to ask beg and fight them to get anything of it back good luck with that
    As for the kids you need concent orders lodged in court and then sent to CSA. CSA will go of the orders and will not take any more money from you for any expences eg: school camps
    Hope this helps
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