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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: NMB from NSW, Australia on March 22, 2016 @ 7:55 pm
    Mike
    You cannot be jailed in Australia for not paying your child support. I know they tried to jail me. The only reason you will be jailed is if you have hidden money and through fair means or foul the CSA find it and prove this to the courts and the COURTS ORDER (for emphasis)...you to pay your debt and you don't. This is contempt of court.....it is not because you didn't pay because you cant or for any other reason....but for contempt of court. There is really nothing CSA can do other than apply a DPO which effectively jails you in an island jail called Australia. I repeat.....there is NOTHING they can do. It is all bullying, false threats and bluster. I know....I have been to the end and survived without being jailed
    1100. By: mike from Vic, Australia on March 22, 2016 @ 11:35 am
    In a bad way. My son lives in miami. I stupidly signed over jurisdiction to a florida court and Im assessed at making $65,000 US a month with Child support payments of $1142 a month US which is like $1500 AU. Plus 65% of medical costs and extra cariuclar activities. Added to that I cannot change or modifythe agreement unless i jump on a plane and got to florida. Im now in contempt of court and will no longer be able to bring kmy son to australia for one month every year due my pending arrest. Added to that I was unemployed in March 2015 and my ex in Florida applied to the court and told the court I refused to pay. I was not allowed to even testify in a phone hearing. Ive now applied to the court here to take jurisdiction of this matter in relation to assessing me as an australian with an australian income and under CSA guidelines even though in the US agreement I agreed not too. Not looking good
    By: Fred from wa, AUS on March 22, 2016 @ 1:28 am
    My lovely ex partner works very hard at sitting at home with a few hours of casual work per week squeezed into her busy schedule, just to top up her well earned dole payment from Centerlink.

    Kathryn Campbell lovely employees have decided that she can do this because she has to care for my child. What a load of S....

    Campbell I am going to say this to you and your educated staff again. There were alternatives to the care. The mother worked nights and the father day. 50/50 care Campbell. The mother didnt want that, did she, hence her resignation Campbell.

    CSA takes into account her Centerlink payments and casual work but doesn't take into account her Child Support. This dear caring sweet heart has a taxable income of around $22000 per year for sitting on her backside. This poor woman struggling for cash........ I hope her recent home renovations went well.

    This is below the self supporting rate and her income percentage is zero according to the CSA formula.

    But wait, the formula gets thrown out the window if the father is deemed to receive some back based on 8A earning capacity...because the amount is deemed to be insignificant by the lovely staff at CSA. To bad Mr Father.

    I think that is a biased decision making policy Campbell. Campbell I want you to explain how when the mother benefits the formula is used but if the father benefits by the formula it is discarded. Why Campbell Why? Why are you very silent.

    Where is my freedom of information request. Why is your agency hiding this information. Why did your staff send me a bull dust answer that had absolutely nothing to do with what was requested. What is the agency hiding.

    By: Ak from Wa, Australia on March 22, 2016 @ 12:44 am
    My ex owes 38k and counting. Has been about three years
    Since a regular payment. I ask him to assist with the children's needs (he has no contact due to his choice of being a highly paid worker yet skilled junkie and living on opposite side of country) and I am met with refusal. If I chose not to home, clothe, feed, medicate and school my child, I would have been in prison a long time ago. Why can he just choose not to contribute to their needs? I give everything money can't buy, facilitating play dates, homework help, late nights with illness or bad dreams, hours in the emergency room when things aren't right, stress about the nutritional quality of the food we eat, making last minute costumes or taking time off work for awards, assemblies, parent teacher meetings, etc. He does nothing. Except for forget the call them once a week, but usually can't manage that. I do my best to be a good parent that works hard full time, takes the children to sports four nights a week and go without everything I need like medical care/ dental care, car servicing, work clothes and God forbid a hair dye, to make sure my kids don't go without.
    Those payees out there who get no support are doing it tough. For those paying parents who are financially raped each week, well done to you for making your child's mother in a better position to support your child. It's hurts on either side of the csa coin
    By: Mick from Vic, Aust on March 21, 2016 @ 6:09 pm
    Hi Sharon,

    The more child support you receive, the less FTB you may be able to receive. You can receive a certain amount of child support before it affects your FTB. This is called the Maintenance Income Free Area. If the amount of child support you are entitled to receive in a financial year is over your Maintenance Income Free Area, your FTB payments will be reduced by 50 cents for every dollar of child support until the base rate of FTB is reached.

    It's all on the DHS website
    By: sharon allport from Port Augusta, Australia on March 21, 2016 @ 1:38 pm
    If the mother is on centrelink payments does that reduce when she receives child support?
    By: Mick from Victoria, Australia on March 20, 2016 @ 9:01 pm
    Fred,
    Since the introduction of the family law act introduced in 1975 more than 35000 men have killed themselves, I believe currently 5 men a week end their lives of which the family court & CSA would be directly responsible for some - I was nearly one of them.

    There was a full front page spread taken out of a beach scene showing 5 dead whales washed up - huge public out cry of "save the whales"
    The next day same front page spread but replaced the whales with males - nothing heard for "save the males"

    I have had reply's from CSA re adjustments - after reading their legal jumbo jumbo it breaks down to - we don't care if you can't afford food or sleep in the streets etc, just pay your child support
    Best interest of the child bullshit - best interest of the govt.

    Did you know that if someone takes out a civil warrant the debtor has the protection of the bankruptcy act I.e. The Sheriff cannot seize household funiture, a car under $8k plus more, if the CSA take out a civil warrant under federal law that protection has been written out and the sheriff is obliged to look at all assets except bedding and clothing

    And don't forget they also apply potential earnings for assessment when THEY deem so.

    I have met a lot of guy's like myself who have been falsely accused of drugs, porn and inappropriate touching of my child (all proved false by police) the stress was unbelievable, make a law that if these accusations are made and proven false to aid in taking the child away from the non custodial parent, the current custodial parent loses custody, watch 95% of these accusations disappear.

    I can go on and on as I have been dealing with CSA and a bitter ex wife since 2003, have not seen my oldest for 8 years now and she finally poisoned my youngest and lost him completely 2 years ago

    My conclusion is a comparison to a movie war games where the computer plays itself at tic tac toe, computers conclusion, only winning move is not to play, only winning move for us men is not to have children, if I could go back and start over with the knowledge I have of this system I would not have kids, not because I don't love them but because the emotional, physiological and financial heartache and stress is not worth it.

    Australia the lucky country? Not if your a separated father
    By: lyndon from qld, qld on March 20, 2016 @ 7:36 pm
    My lawyer told me once while fighting for access I have three things against me
    1- I have a penis
    2- I have a Job
    3- I want to be part of my childrens lives

    By: Mick from Victoria, Australia on March 18, 2016 @ 5:24 pm
    I have been refused access to my daughter for over three years. I wasn't even able to send her a birthday card on her first birthday. Christmas was a rushed visit at a pizza shop. I cant afford a solicitor to obtain a location order ( they simply dissappeared) let alone, pay to get access. I can't afford food other than protein shakes and nuts. Milk, bread and cheese are luxuries. I can't afford electricity so I use a candle and operate a battery powered radio. I cant afford water, so I have a shower at the local recreation centre. My car has a leaking fuel tank, bald tyers and a noisy power steering box. I cant afford house repairs. The CSA has deemed that I can afford another pay increase for the living conditions of my daughter.I have no energy to sustain my new relationship with a wonderful woman. I cant afford to sustain my self as societies public enemy because I am a father. I am the Titanic. I am slowly sinking. Why do they ( CSA and the SOCIAL POLICY MAKERS) apparently hate us so much ?
    By: robin from nsw, australia on March 18, 2016 @ 8:22 am
    BK
    It was done all in court he had to show that he had to support his new family and that he was the sole earner all that shit after all his bills he couldnt afford to pay csa to his old kids so it was dropped
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 18, 2016 @ 12:50 am
    I sent xxxxx a letter on the 13/2/2015. Today I received a call from you Centerlink Councillor to discuss “Your comments about wanting to kill yourself” I stopped him and asked him if he could remove the root cause of the problem. His response was “no” so I hung up on him. I have asked your agency not to contact me by telephone. DO NOT PHONE ME AGAIN.

    Why do you continue with this pretence of concern for my welfare. You are not fooling anyone.

    Have you not read my letter, your councillors are a waste of time so why do you get them to call. Read my bloody letter. It is a cover your ass exercise. The fact you are doing nothing to change your evil system confirms that you don’t care and going to continue to cause men to kill themselves. If you councillor want to talk tell them to put it in writing. I want there to be proof and evidence.

    You employ and use these councillors because you have a duty of care to your victims but then you carry on with the harassment and bullying. Your actions are contradictory.
    The councillors use you to provide them with employment and they will justify their existence to remain employed.

    I have noticed a trend with you now providing male voices instead of female. Who are you kidding. Stop playing games.

    Where is my freedom of information request in relation to the number of female workers? Why are you hiding this?
    1090. By: Bk from Wa, Australia on March 17, 2016 @ 9:46 pm
    Capacity to earn, sorry.
    By: Bk from Wa, Australia on March 17, 2016 @ 9:45 pm
    Robin, does capacity to alarm not apply in this case or is it all through court?
    By: robin from nsw, australia on March 17, 2016 @ 11:10 am
    Just for 1 minute lets just look and say sometimes its not the mother whos a bitch and its the father who is.In my case my x took me to court on the grounds he has remarried and has 3 stepchildren to support and he can no longer support quote "his old family " well guess what the court agreed with him now he doesnt have to pay a red cent in csa payments to his old family on the grounds of financial hardship and his choice to remarry. Dont get me wrong I work 2 jobs to feed and house my kids always have done that now Im at risk of loosing my kids to the x because I work and as he says Im never at home with them WTF where do I stand.My lawyer told me I should have been a stay at home mum and lived of the dole CSA wont help me the law is on his side so Im fucked work loose my kids stay at home loose a place to live and my kids think about it from my end sometimes its the father whos a prick and now I have to drive 6 hrs out of my way to take the kids to see him on the only day I get of work ( sunday ) for lunch with him then drive home 6 hrs Y cause the dick lost his licence and his lawyer took it to court so now i got to follow the court ruleing and do that for him
    By: pETER from Tauranga, NZ on March 16, 2016 @ 3:21 pm
    Further to my posts on 13, 14,19 feb. Today has been a hell day.. Last Friday our son had been feeling on top of things for the first time in months, in fact the last few years. After being on the sickness benefit since end of October, due to stress and anxiety, he went to WINZ (NZ) to tell them that he was feeling much better and felt he was able to cope with getting back to work. Today he got a letter from CSA saying that he was in arrears. His change of circumstances still hadn't been dealt with from October. This sent him spiralling back down again as apart from the arrears and in spite of the fact that he has been up to date with payments until he went on the sickness benefit, and paying a minimal amount as arranged by IRD they are still calculating him on last years earnings. He needs to see his daughters for his own sanity but as his ex is not bringing them over for school holidays as ordered by the court he has not seen them for a year. He now feels he has no hope of saving up to see them over there. They live in central Queensland so it is not as if it is just a quick flight to Brisbane. He would also have to pay for accommodation for himself and his children and hire a car as well as having no money coming in for 2 weeks. I can see him ending up not being able to get back to work as he is so stressed again and just about ready to give up. Is there no end to all this for those genuine fathers who love their children dearly but don't get to be proper fathers. To CSA it is all about what the mother wants and nothing to do with the fathers circumstances. He has never, ever been in debt with child support or anything else, until CSA became involved and took over his soul.
    By: Adeboye Peter Olufemi from Manchester, United Kingdomraud on March 16, 2016 @ 6:59 am
    Child Maintenance is a fraud and its destroying my life
    By: Kris from nsw, Australia on March 15, 2016 @ 9:28 pm
    Hi to all paying parents. CSA / Family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new " stolen generation " and creating " domestic violence ". Imagine just for one minute if the csa extortionists applied the same pressure on the mother to get a job and do her tax return yearly, as they do on fathers, hey! That would mean we have equality? . And a spin off of all this might be that the mothers might actually let us see our children.
    what is and isn't in this world is agreed upon by some to be so, not because things just turned out like so. Very important to know this.
    5 years and counting. ..
    By: john from nsw, australia on March 14, 2016 @ 11:25 pm
    if these lovely government workers stuff up, another way to make them pay is to submit their form.

    Compensation application form (CS4313)

    admittedly they ultimately decide but keep these bastards busy. tbe more work you give them the harder it will be to operate.
    By: Istvan Monzaros from Belize , Belize on March 14, 2016 @ 3:59 pm
    I can show any australian father the secret to beat CSA can setup new identity
    with valid passport and offshore bank account CSA, ATO ect cannot see or garnish.

    I stand as your agent today contact me at istvan1988@hotmail.com I can create a new identity for you in about 3 weeks
    By: Tkjc from NSW, Australia on March 14, 2016 @ 9:22 am
    Hi again guys I have said this again and again. Do not lie down to the pack of rats they call CSA if they lie and threaten and abuse you take them to court they will tell you that you can not and that no one has ever won against them. Don't believe their lies the truth is that when taken to court and in a situation that they will loose what these rats do is buy their way out of trouble they will do whatever they need to do to get themselves out of shit and to not have a court case go against them so that there is no precedent for others don't lie down to these rats

    I call them RATS vause they behave exactly like a filthy gutter RATS just like a rat hides in darkness they hide behind Thiet computers and phones and the minute there confronted they run just like Rats

    Take them to court if you believe they are responsible for a death or near death this is malfeasance in public office there decision don't have to go through there appeals process if they lie and threaten and misuse their power in any way that is MALFEASANCE IN PUBLIC OFFICE and also TORTURE the first is punishable by money the second will see the rat that threatens and lies put behind bars for up to twenty years
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 14, 2016 @ 1:23 am
    Campbell
    If she doesn’t get full time employment soon is your agency going to continue to allow her to use the excuse of care. Remember you have stated “I am also satisfied that Miss xxxxx would be able to seek alternative full time employment during the day, as child care options are available to Miss xxxxxx during the day. I have found that Miss xxxxx is able to work full time”

    1080. By: fred from wa, aus on March 13, 2016 @ 9:52 pm
    I have received your letter dated 4 March 2016.

    Is that it? Is that the sum total of the CSA efforts to stop someone killing himself. A template ...seriously.

    Can you not see how thick and inadequate that is.

    Clearly when you say you take the welfare of parents seriously it is a load of hog wash.

    Why are you “re-iterating” it. Do you think I cannot bloody read or didn’t understand you letter. Yes I will be taking it to the AAT. Then I will be taking it to a new level. You have no idea on the severity of your decisions.

    Stop sending letters with superfluous rubbish in them.

    Where is my bloody FOI request in relation to the numbers of employees. Your sent this garbage letter but you don’t sent that information. Why do you delay that information. Why are you playing games

    Now I contacted Mensline today as per your letter and as expected another woman and as expected she could do sweet bugger all.

    I asked her how many of the councillors were female and how many were males. She wouldn’t provide that information. The entire system if very one sided.

    She admitted that she could not remove the root cause of the problem and that is you and your agency.

    So explain to me why you have sent that letter when you continue to cause stress and mental health problems. Telling me to talk to them is a waste of time and you know it. Your letter is a cover your ass thing for the agency. As an employee you have a duty of care as does the agency . I’m sorry that letter doesn’t cut it when you continue with your actions of causing pain.

    If you miss these letters you can read it on the fathers for justice site and later you will see them on my site. The entire joke of an assessment will be there.

    Your assessor conveniently didn’t provide an explanation as to how he became “satisfied” with the care explanation and why he didn’t take into account the information I provided.

    Explain that.
    By: Donald from Sydney NSW, Australia on March 12, 2016 @ 9:53 am
    Fred I agree with you and millions of others would also. They are a mob of Nazi like people causing more deaths than any other cause, the statistics dont lie.

    CSA should be held accountable for some type of Genocide, intent to systematically eliminate single fathers through consistant harrassment.
    The corporate committee should be charged and the CSA system dismantaled and may they beg for mercy from all the lost souls they have sent to the grave, I hope CSA members are haunted forever and rot in hell.

    Suicide Statistics for Males in Australia
    Australian males are four times more likely than females to take their own lives.
    Suicide rates for males aged 25-44 continue to rise. In 1990, the rate was 27 per 100,000, In 1998 it hit 37, what is it today?

    http://australianmensrights.com/Men_Suicide_Statistics_Australia/Support_Payments-Drove_Man_To_Suicide-Australia-Canberra_Times_19NOV2000.aspx

    http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/215599/cif-pollini-ba-210131111.pdf

    175 Killer Dads: Fathers who ended their children's lives in situations involving child custody, visitation, and/or child support (USA -
    See more at: http://americanmotherspoliticalparty.org/ampp-article-library-family-court-custody-abuse-dv/1-research-articles-family-court-bias-custody-abuse-battered-moms/58-175-killer-dads-fathers-who-ended-their-childrens-lives-in-situations-involving-child-custody-visitation-andor-child-support-usa#sthash.EElq7VPN.dpuf

    The child support agency claims its for the good of our children, wake up Mr Government the people are suffering.
    Grandparents, Siblings, Mothers, Fathers and our especially our children all feel the pain CSA in inficting on our society.

    How many more deaths do we need for statistics Mr Prime Minister?
    By: Bewitched from Vic, Oz - land 'dumbed' down under on March 12, 2016 @ 2:31 am
    Cant sleep so here I am. Woken by extra loud music across the road from unknown neigbours causing me to investigate in case there was something wrong. What I was confronted with was a woman who was alone, drunk and possibly stoned, somewhat numb who wanted me to come in and have beer at 1am. After a chat, I discovered her partner[step dad] was away on a fishing trip and she was missing her kids, as they were with their father. I guess the moral of the story is we are all in pain in one way or another and just need somebody to care...just a drop. I feel your frustration @fred, I really do. They're[govt] not listening, don't care and throw BS back at you confusing you or they just remain silent. One may as well bang one's head against a brick wall for all the good it does in contacting these people/robots that come, collect a big salary/pension and go. All one can do with these corporations under a foreign power is give them notice of them doing harm to you and provide them with the remedy you require, as god forbid, one day you just may wanna file a lien and damages claim in the $$$Millions.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 12, 2016 @ 2:07 am
    Kathryn Campbell

    Something I found on the internet


    "To a large extent we have had very little face-to-face contact. Normally, less than one per cent of our contact with separated parents and third-party carers has been face to face. There were some unfortunate customer aggression incidents that did occur that prompted us to review these arrangements"

    No s...t I wonder why. don't your good honest employees like getting beaten up when they cause hurt and pain. Don't they like getting back what they deliver.

    By: fred from wa, aus on March 11, 2016 @ 11:56 pm
    Next time you are in Perth Turnbull let me know. I have plenty to say to you?
    By: fred from wa, AUS on March 11, 2016 @ 11:49 pm
    Kathryn Campbell

    your staff didn't want me to produce information and blocked it for a reason. Am I right Campbell? They had already made their one sided decision for the assessment right in the very beginning so there was no need for me to provide anything. Am I right Campbell? They were going to give the mother whatever she wanted. Am I right. Open your mouth Campbell.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 11, 2016 @ 7:48 pm
    Kathryn Campbell.

    On the 10/2/2016 and on the 19/01/2016 and again on the 8/3/2016 I requested the following information.

    How many woman are employed by the child support agency.
    How many men are employed by the child support agency

    I would like the same information for the child protection services and Centerlink.

    I received a response that had nothing to do with my request. Why did your staff send me that email. It is meaningless?

    Why does your agency employ these stalling techniques when people are requesting information from you?

    Do you have something to hide? Are you trying to hide something? Answer.

    I have put in a complaint with the relative authority in regards to your departments failure to provide the correct FOI information in a timely manner. Congratulations.

    You seem to have all the answers to everything except when I am asking the questions. Campbell cant you agency respond correctly and in the same time frame that they require me to response i.e. 9 days and 3 days.

    These are just bloody blocking techniques are they not? You made my response time short so that I cannot provide a proper defence then you delay matters to a ridiculous level when I want answers to slow things down. Why?
    By: LostinSpace from vic, aust on March 10, 2016 @ 7:55 am
    One of the lies and illusions continually perpetuated to this day is that Politicians (on the whole) serve and care about us. Nothing could be farther from the truth! They are there for show, to distract us and give the appearance we as the people have choice and control. Of course, through these elected representatives we don't which is becoming more evident as days go by. It must be made clear that these Politicians look after their own self interests from the moment they are in office. They cater only to those who pay them; their masters and rulers (ie. system) they work for including lobbyists who pay inducements and graft for legislative and other favours. Their grandstanding in Parliament is all an Act to maintain the facade. We are on our own people, just US! The quicker we all wake to this fact and stop giving our energy to these good for nothing parasites, the quicker things will improve for the common man..
    By: fred from wa, aust on March 9, 2016 @ 9:20 pm
    Kathryn Campbell

    Why are you so silent. Your agency causes grief and harm to fathers and you head this agency. Why do you do this? Why do you cause men to kill themselves. Again why do you deny children fathers? Why don’t you respond? Don’t get subordinates to talk for you. Open your mouth.

    Prime minister

    You are silent too. You want to stop family violence then get rid of the root cause. Remove the incentive for woman to screw their partners over. That incentive is the child support agency and the family court system. You put men’s backs to the wall and they react that way. You government says you are trying to stop family violence.....but your laws and interpretation of the laws are part of the problem. Is it not? Are you that stupid that you cannot see that as being a contributing factor?

    Remember Campbell you cannot enslave the sole of someone that is dead.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 9, 2016 @ 6:50 pm
    the prime minister, minister of human services, minister social service and Kathryn Campbell head of the child support agency want to hear from you. send them weekly emails demanding answers.

    don't waste your time dealing will the individuals at the bottom flood those at the top with complaints and don't let up. crash their gender discriminatory system

    send them lots of emails. as the head of this mob they need to be kept abreast of the havoc they are causing with peoples lives


    send them emails lots of emails
    1070. By: robin from nsw, australia on March 9, 2016 @ 8:34 am
    CSA exist because the law states that all children have the right to a financial responsibley from both parents even if the parents are no longer together same sex or not the kids have the right to it. the tax payer is not responsible to pay for anyones kids as in family tax A & B or the pension thats why csa was started up in the first place to get people of centre link.if the x mother doesent want to get up and work thats her problem but the father shouldnt be held and made to pay more because of a lazzy mother kid starts school go get a job. You want to change the csa system you have to change the law
    By: fred from wa, australia on March 8, 2016 @ 8:24 pm
    Regard this is an open letter and all documents received from the government will be regarded as such and will be made available for public viewing. I believe the way this agency operates is in the public interest

    Prime Minister

    Why do you allow the child support agency to exist.

    You answer this question Prime Minister, don’t pass it on the very people that are causing the problems and allowing them to respond.

    Why is this agency allowed to harass fathers and turn their worlds upside down? Who the bloody hell do these people think they are and who gives them the right to hurt people in the way they do? Why are you allowing this to continue?

    I am going to ask this question again because I haven’t received an answer to it.

    How many men commit suicide because of the direct involvement of this agency? How many men does this agency kill on average per week through their involvement? How many children don’t have fathers because of this agency?

    You have no bloody idea, do you Prime Minister? You know it is a problem, you know people are killing themselves because of this agency but you do nothing Prime Minister. Am I correct?

    You go on about domestic violence on TV but I haven’t seen you do anything about this. Are woman’s lives more important than men’s lives? Is it okay for men to die Mr Prime Minister?

    I recently received a letter from a CSA manager dated 15/2/2016. Clearly very little consideration has been given to the points raised, and this letter is just a brush off. This is a concern and shows a pattern which one can liken to that seen in the assessment.

    In this letter I was directed to speak to people further down the chain if I had any further enquiries. Effectively what she was saying was that I am going to respond with dribble which you must accept and if you don’t like it talk to someone else because I don’t want to know.

    •Why does this agency use these information blocking techniques to prevent effective communication? We have seen this is the assessment when I was blocked from presenting information.
    •Why don’t you answer the questions and engage in conversation in relation to the questions?

    My emails were directed at the Prime Minister, Ministers and The Head of the Child Support Agency. I get brushed off to this manager and she brushes me off to subordinates.

    1.Why don’t the people in charge of this agency take responsibility for their decisions in relation to this agency? Why do you brush people off?

    In response to the letter

    I have serious concerns about the response and I question whether due consideration has been given to the issues. It is my opinion that this response is a meaningless brush off with numerous errors. Am I correct? Your letter is designed to complicated/confuse matters in the hope that it will become too hard and I will go away. I’m not going anywhere. There are serious issues with the CSA

    You say the agency takes the welfare of “parents extremely seriously”. Your agency is the source of the hurt, and in some cases, suicides.

    1.How can we take your comments seriously when your agency cont


    ............This letter continues but is too long for this space. The prime ministers, minister social services, minister human services and Cathryn Campbells address are all on the internet........SEND the lovely people LOTS of emails and demand answers and do so regularly The more people do that will cause this unjust system to fail. It will goo into overload and crumble. CC them all i.........
    By: Byron from Vic, Au on March 8, 2016 @ 5:41 pm
    @petie she never says her last name, but sounds like it could be the same person.
    By: Petie from Vic, Australia on March 8, 2016 @ 4:48 pm
    @Byron What's CSA Cathy's SURNAME? I used to be with a debt collector called Cathy many years ago. The unorthodox debt collection practices she used on people made my head spin. It was a great insight into the personality of how these emotionally void, non empathatic & unstable cerebral narcissist types function. VERY SCARY let me tell you. There's a bolt or two missin if you know what I mean. She used the CSA against her ex, even shortly after he attempted suicide. She often said she could do their job [CSA] or FHG - financial hunters & gatherers is what we could call them.
    By: Byron from Vic, AU on March 2, 2016 @ 8:36 pm
    I wonder how many deaths of abused fathers Cathy is responsible for. I recon it's her goal, to distroy people's lives. She accused me of laundering money and said she would do everything possible to get money off me. She is delusional and with what they take I have $260 a week to live off, and I have my 3 kids 50% of the time. It's really hard to support them on that much, whilst their mother lives on nearly $1000 a week. I have provided her my tax returns to prove my income. She says she thinks I get 110k/year. The most I have ever earnt is 50k/year, so where on earth the 110k comes from is anybodies guess. Maybe Cathy should try to live on $260 a week and see how she goes.
    By: Deon from Western Australia, Australia on March 2, 2016 @ 2:17 pm
    Thanks Robin for your reply, my daughter is 13 and my son is 15 and she was forced due to family tax benefits and concessions. Although i have not worked since 2/12/15 they continue to charge me 1300 each month because i would not go on centrelink benefits to prove my situation.So i finally went to centrlink for assistance and after paying 40c in the dollar for 20 years they offered me $1 a fortnight because my partner earns apparently to much working in child care of all things.I'm tired of being on my knee's and having to constantly jump through hoops for very little return if any. I'm sick to death of this hypocrisy, there just doesn't seem to be any where to turn for real help or results against CSA. Because they are not willing to help at all, just treated like a thug.
    By: richard from western australia, Australia on March 2, 2016 @ 1:23 pm
    All those who have been abused by Cathy. How many of you have written to the CSA complaints body through the ombudsmans office. The more pressure that is put on such a mean person the more they start to break but also the more the groundswell of anti CSA feeling throughout all parts of society.
    By: robin from nsw, australia on March 2, 2016 @ 3:26 pm
    Deon
    You can still go privite with your x even with CSA
    Unless she has asked CSA to collect the money for her ?
    CSA will send you a statement to tell you how much you have to pay throu privite aggreement and you pay itstraight to her
    Not to sure why she was forced into the csa line unless the kids are over 8 then she can go to CSA and tell them to get the money for her as she wont be on gov hand outs
    By: Deon from Western Australia, Australia on March 2, 2016 @ 10:14 am
    I have been paying privately for years without any problems until my ex was forced to use CSA due to having any benefits through Centrelink 3 years ago. Initially i didn't have a problem with this until i was savaged by CSA financially and unfairly. They commenced a 3 month back pay based on 180k when my earnings were only 70k immediately placing me in arears of 7k and ongoing late fee's against this amount even though there was a payment plan in place. I been fighting since without resolve and growing debt with late fee's. Even though i pay my ex does not see these funds for a month after payment whilst CSA sit quietly making huge interest of these funds although they lie and say this is not the case. It's more devastating than a credit card as the balance continues to grow regardless of what payments they receive at one stage taking well over 65% of my income. They refuse to look at the case of this ridiculous over charge and continue to harass me at work, at home over this amount that then grew to over 17k although i was still paying maintenance, and now it is up to me to attain legal representation to force them to look at this period. During this time i have nearly lost my home and all my belongings and there devil may care attitude continues. I love my children very much and have come from an extremely poor background and worked hard to provide them a better start in life and now CSA is destroying everything i have worked for. They have been nothing but callous and bullying on the phone telling me to get my life together, sell your house and completely careless to the situation. They have taken my self worth, my purpose and all i have stood for in life and for my children. I am a mechanical supervisor who now suffers clinical depression and can no longer function at this level because what they have done to my life, each day i wake up i am wishing it is my last and that this life would end sooner rather than later. So now what has become of me and everything i have worked for, and for my children. The only thing which stops me taking my life is my children, i sit almost daily contemplating my death with deep sorrow and tears, tears for my children. As i write this i am sailing into the black and do not know how much longer i can hold on. CSA are not helping families they are destroying them, and it those who wish to do the right thing by there children who are easy targets for CSA and are savaged financially and demoralized. I too have spoken with this Cathy who was heartless and quite nasty over the phone leaving me bewildered that this is true reflection of CSA, each time i state i will take it further they laugh at me on the phone and tell me good luck were Federal you don't stand a chance. They have since taken 10k from me in the last 3 months from several tax returns while i am been treated for severe depression and not working and are also planning litigation for the small amount left over now there is now more tax returns coming in the system, although the arrears are there fabrication based on a huge discrepancy as explained above. There seems no light is at the end of this tunnel called life
    By: Kris Rzepecki from nsw, Australia on March 2, 2016 @ 10:28 am
    Hi to all paying parents. CSA / Family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new " stolen generation " and creating " domestic violence ". Hi yeah sure I've spoken to Kathy and many like her by day she works for csa and by night she works for Big John at the local red light district, either way she fks someone. If you want change then you need find your own ways and not count on media maggots, they're all part of the same system, the sooner people understand this the sooner we might make some progress . Last time I watched ACA they said kim kardashians arse just keeps growing.
    Advance Australia Fkn fair.
    1060. By: Byron from Vic, Au on March 1, 2016 @ 8:57 pm
    Anyone dealt with a Cathy from CSA?

    Would be interested to hear if anyone else has been threatened by her?
    By: Tkjc from Nsw, Australia on March 1, 2016 @ 8:13 pm
    Hi guys following up on the comment about sending your CSA stories to ACA & 60 Minutes it's worth a try but believe it or not the ass wipes that lie harass and intimidate us and some times to the point of suicide will not be exposed by any media agency court or anybody else you see the truth is if the CSA was investigated and exposed then it would open the door for every father that has dealt with this disgrace of an agency to seek leagal recause the goververment CSA states that a child support debt is a debt to the commonwealth therefore the government or the commonwealth would be leagaly responsible for any mistake overpayment mental incapacity cuicide or whatever it would cripple the country the payout would be huge this is why the f...sticks at the CSA carry on the way they do they think that their actions and decisions can not be questioned how ever there is a leagal tort that is malfeasance in public office and torture these two torts do not involve the CSA only the person who said or did whatever It is clearly stated in leagal journals that a public official or public employee that lies intimidates or coheres an individual is guilty of torture punishable by imprisnment for 20 years malfeasance in public office could potentially have a magistrate order the f....stick that you talk to personally liable to pay millions in damages.
    I'm in the process of going down this road at the moment so don't take on the CSA GIANT cause you are taking on the government instead take on the individual that is lying and intimidating you
    Once one goes down then the rest will think twice before they bend and break the rules whenever they feel like
    By: Byron from Vic, Au on February 29, 2016 @ 10:40 pm
    Yup Richard

    Please send all your stories of discrimination, abuse & harrasment by the CSA to http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/feedback.aspx

    Surely if we flood them they will start to consider investigating.


    Even send them to 60 Minutes 60Minutes@nine.com.au
    By: Richard from western australia, Australia on February 29, 2016 @ 2:46 pm
    Hi Byron from Vic
    Child support is a tragedy, just like the stolen gen, the blacks without a vote and many more. Your letter is quite correct men and women deeply affected by this need to make more noise.. to local MPs to papers and in rallies. Nelson Mandela continued to write letters for many years before he was released. cmon people get up and get angry.
    By: Johnsie from QLD, OZ on February 27, 2016 @ 9:57 am
    Following on from Toby it's simple, don't enter into contract with the CSA scum in the first place, as any agreement formed is binding and difficult to wriggle out of thereafter. Do not consent giving them any authority placing yourself under their jurisdiction. Be mindful of your contracts as ignorance is where many of us fail.
    By: Toby Wilson from Victoria, Australia on February 26, 2016 @ 5:34 pm
    I fought the CSA Bastards in court for assessments over a few years (See AUSTLII Wilkinson v Wilkinson) and the court ordered CSA re-do their assessments and credit several thousand back to my account. took years but then it was just as long to GET THEM TO COMPLY.... in the end only sitting in there and refusing to leave until they FOLLOWED THE ORDER worked (and that was after loads of letters from my solicitor).
    Make no mistake - they are criminals. DO NOT talk to them or EMail or Message them... EVER. Get on GOV.AU web site and ONLY go through that. THey say shit like "Oh we can't SEND you documents through that etc etc etc" but when they HAVE to they can of course!! Then, you access it when YOU need to and when YOU have the best space and clarity and strength mentally....
    Good luck (I have been dealing with for 15 years now and have another 12 to go!!!)
    By: Rid from Nsw, Aust on February 24, 2016 @ 9:47 pm
    Hey, I havn't seen my son for 18 months. I'm a mum and his father denigrated me so much to him he actually believes every lie he was told. My daughter was just 10.5 and she fell trap to her fathers attention, something she never had from him but craved always she also is hidden away from me. I have nearly 100% care of my youngest son who due to his father not being able to cater for a young child (his fathers words) has allowed (his words) my son to live with me. Court is a nightmare, at the moment the pressure is on to balance the ratio between women winning and men so my case as an individual entity is ignored and so far has given their father whatever he wants, he breaks the orders, the law and it's been proven he mentally abused me for years ( not that I needed proof I lived the nightmare), the pschy says he has a mental personality disorder but so far noone cares.
    Don't give up ever on the hope that your kids can grow up and come back one day. I have grieved again and again the loss of my children except they are still (thankgod) on this earth, so every new photo that friends can sneak from social media is a treasure to me but I grieve again after looking at their faces. I keep positive and believe that while there is a future and my kids and I are in that future then something will bring us back together one day. I see it as though if I wasn't here and gave into the grief then my kids will never know the truth and will never have a chance to have their mum back. I also believe that if I want something to change or something to happen I have to set a goal and chip away until I'm on the path that will get me there. Some days just outright suck, the pain is almost unbearable but the future is still there and my kids will be there too. As for CSA and the so called legislation they are the reason my ex destroyed my kids relationship with me, he wanted money and has been relentless in his pursuit to lie and get as much of my money that he possibly can. Without CS I would have all my kids with me right now because it's all about the money to him. Keep your chin up, tread water as long as it takes you to survive, one day you'll be swimming wherever you want to.
    By: Bewitched from Vic, Australia on February 24, 2016 @ 5:47 pm
    GARY: Feel for you mate. Much of life don't make sense & can be disappointing to say the least...just hang in there and don't leave us ok!! Get some good people around you... sometimes they're far & few between but they do exist. I haven't seen my daughter for three years and she's an adult. It's along story but not even told what I have done wrong. It's all a head case at times.
    By: Gary from Western Australia, Australia on February 23, 2016 @ 7:28 pm
    It's now 16 years since I have seen my son, (she, his mother just makes it way to difficult). I still miss him, I still pay child support and I'm still hunted by her and csa even though she is very wealthy and my son is no longer at school and working. Where has it left me ? I can tell you that losing my son and dealing with csa over the last 16 years has left me brain damaged, emotionally bankrupt and unable to live a normal life. I have been diagnosed with PTSD, severe clinical depression, severe anxiety and a personality disorder. In a nut shell I'm fucked. Medication keeps the suicidal tendencies at bay but I do look forward to the day old age or life takes me from this mortal world. Like many I have suffered and am very tired, I just want it over.
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