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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
In my experience, my saving grace was that i had NOT paid. I lodged my 2011 to 2014 tax returns only recently and it was only because i hadnt paid that the debt was written off. If the money had gone to my ex then they say well she has spent the money so its too bad no credit back to you. incurring a debt is nothing to fear. it costs nothing and keeps the ball in your court.
My second saving grace was because i had delayed my 2007 tax lodgement also, it meant that my "capacity to earn" could not be considered for other income years. in 2007 i earned $160k and in any other year my income is $50-$90k. so if my 2007 was lodged on time then they have the right to set my assessment for every year at $160k. you may benefit from some professional advice if you choose that path. perhaps a court order for a set amount? rather than leaving it in CSA's hands to rape and pillage you. all the best
as an employee, the CSA will just derive your husband's income from ATO information, then use his gross, less any tax, to arrive at an assessable income. This means you will NOT get the benefit of any deductions / write downs etc. If you lodge late, it is deemed to be your fault, so you will not receive any benefits from it, that is a lowering of the income at some later date.
Secondly and importantly, waiting until after the kids are 18 before lodging does NOT assist. The CSA will back date this to the assessments, and you may have debt created.
do not heed any advice that tells you to NOT pay or AVOID paying. Pay what they say, and lodge objections if necessary.
The real victims, unfortunately, are the children who have to endure another platform of stress and anxiety thrust onto their estranged parents.
As to having to force your ex partner to pay the CSA....tell'em it was a 1 night stand in Paris after a big night at the pub and you have no idea who or where he is!
Someone referred to this mob as being like Hitler! Way to soft I think that this is the training ground for the humaless idiots reaking terror all around the world!
I totally agree with your comment Tony and other comments I have read here.
Australia does need some sort of national recognition to shame this currupt agency that pushes people into such stress and depression that finally leads to suicide.
We need to get the message out to all our brothers, sons, all men really to beware of the evil system that lurks behind one night of making love.
One night of entrapment or deception can ruin your life forever. Ask yourselves is it worth your life to bring another into the world?
(Note: Beware condoms do not work if the woman wants a child, conception by deception rules are legal.
you pay $36 a day for 1 kid hell Im a mum and i get $1.075 a day for 1 14yr old and $1.095 for a 8 yr old and yer my x ownes his own bussiness so he doesnt have to pay at all as csa have told me they cant get money from a ABN holder cause he doesnt have a income the business does
Thanks for the reply, no court orders, no arrears, I am what the CSA term a compliant payer :-) I get that if I don't have him over it should be more and I would expect that the rate I was paying would be increased by the 2 days of extra care. Started with 432 the ex gets for 12 nights care 432 / 12 = 36 per day and based on 36 per day I would expect the number to increase to 36 x 14 = 504, instead it went up to 641, the CSA calculator supports the numbers but the question still remains, why. What explanation is there to explain why it costs 141 dollars more for 2 days care. I suspect that the logic they apply to this works backwards from the full amount. Lets say the full amount is 641, if he stays over I am compensated for the days care as well as having a room and bed for him etc.
csa go on how many nights u have your kid if u dont have him at all eg over night care = more than 110 nights/days a yr then u will have to pay extra BUT why are you paying half of his school fees csa payments should be paying for it not you also health funds csa payment should be used for that as well
So dont pay for anything extra and dont agree to pay extra even if the x goes after it say NO also if you have any court orders about what you should be paying for cost of care and all the extras you are paying for now are not in it send them a copy that way they cant get any thing more from you
please send me your email and I will pass it on to him so he can contact you directly. firstname.lastname@example.org
I know a guy who used to work in CSA who has become my agent. he has very reasonable charges and will guide you through the nightmare of these stupid laws and offer good advice. Whenever I have contacted CSA I just get abused by some uppity woman who quite possibly is a lesbian and I am treated very much like a criminal. So it has been a lot less stressful to have a third party talk to these ignorant people and it stops that feeling of helplessness and anger when you get off the phone to CSA.
I have had a number of telephone conversations with different persons on this site and have also met up with another.
It's not always advice - but I will provide guidance to those about to go through processes that I have recently been through - objection to CSA, Objecting to AAT etc ...
sick of getting beaten down by the system, so would like to see it "leveled out" .. if I can make a process a bit easier for someone to navigate, or to prepare for .. then happy to assist.
Awesome bitch and whinge you just had.
Who did help with that sound advice you just posted?
I do not see much "assistance", or "suggestion" on here - but I see post after post of "the system does me wrong" or "the Nazis are in control" ..
start providing constructive assistance to each other so the system starts to get beaten - and will have to change
provide suggestions and solutions in the hope that someone on here has a contact to the Senate / government, or becomes a member and can start to do something about it ..
grow up - else crawl back into your shallow holes in the shadows and whinge to yourself.
I came on here hoping to help others and to seek guidance. I have received NO guidance from anyone - despite the questions and requests I make. I still offer to help, and do help, some occasionally.
you know that crooked shelf in your cupboard, or that squeaky wheel on the bike, or the "snowy" reception on your TV - it doesn't get fixed while you sit on the couch and bitch that it's "crooked", or "squeaky" or "snowy" .. it gets fixed when you get off your ass and do something about it ...
Such a judgemental comment! I am an educated, full time working mum who is a leader in her field (yes I work with children!) But, my ex was abusive, look up parent alienation, mental abuse starts long before the separation and when your children have been told the awful things that mine were, over time they think they believe it. So no there is nothing wrong with me or my parenting, my ex even admitted that he did this to 'get me to pay'. You say walk away from your kids, but would you be happy to walk away when you know your kids are living with someone who abused you, get real Sally. I am a great mum and I refuse to walk away from my kids. I won't ever judge you or anyone else for the decisions they are forced to make and maybe you shouldn't either. I also wouldn't wish my situation on anyone and hope no one ever has to suffer at the hands of abuse, denigration, isolation, bullying and then from a system that should be helping not adding to the destruction. An open mind might help you to grow in your opinions too!
People need to wake up and avoid this system of corruption, zero use, zero contact, zero phone calls ... just pure avoidance as much as possible.
Let your kids go! they will find a way back to you in time without the expense of 3rd parties, refuse to play the game.
Most people think they will get a fair go with the court system, they are delusional its all rigged .. stats show only 1% of men will ever win, so why waste your hard earned cash.
Do not use the kids as pawns if your relationship runs foul, just walk away or it will cost more than you believe and all for nothing.
KY... for a woman to lose her kids, tells me she must be totally incapable of something.
I think they need help
Are the magistrates courts here owned by the same company?
can anyone provide this info?
have a phone that you can put loud speaker on so your partner can listen / participate as well.
Hang from the big coathanger at sydney harbour and make a statment.
Their pain and suffering will not go un-noticed.
It may save the next generation
A tribunal will consider whether or not your husband is reducing his hours in order to avoid his CS liability. It is a common scenario for avoiders. The reason that he is the primary carer for your daughter is legit.
So my advice is to not lose any sleep over it, dont let their fear mongering cause you to doubt yourself. You KNOW the truth!
Let me start by saying I am a mother and I think the way the system favours mothers is unjust and unfair. I also have a step daughter. I would appreciate someone helping me out understanding something myself and husband were told by a child support representative. Recently our circumstances changed I own my own company and my husband works for me. We decided that he would decrease his hours to only 15 a week to care for our daughter and concentrate on his bodybuilding passion. subsequently his child support dropped and his ex has contested it. We still have his daughter 46% and contribute when asked and even offer without request (from my income). His ex has lied and said we never contribute and that my husband owns the company. He has no legal rights to my company and I am the sole director with all shares it is my company and I have worked very hard for it myself. This child support representative who is handling the dispute has believed everything my husbands ex has said with no proof and told him they can take my earnings and my company into account? How is this fair? His ex's partner works in the mines and construction earning over $100,000 a year (double what i earn) and he said we do not take her partners income into account? How is this fair? We have never let my husbands child go without anything. We want to support her in every way possible with time, love and she is always well looked after when she is with us. I have worked very hard for my company can someone please tell me that CS cannot use it against us? My husband has no legal or financial ties to it other than a business payment card in his name that can only b used for business purchases.
Sorry for venting I believe in fathers supporting their children we care for his daughter almost 50% of the time clearly we want to be involved parents. I just need to understand the inequality why my income should come into play when her defacto partners does not.
Thanks for hearing me out
Advance Australia Fk fair.
Re:CSA on par with Adolf Hitler, wow that hits the ball for a six mate, it's right on I like it. A day of mourning, how about remembrance day?
FACTS AND STATS ABOUT SUICIDE IN AUSTRALIA SUMMARY
In 2013, 1,885 males (16.4 per 100,000) and 637 females (5.5 per 100,000) died by suicide, a total of 2,522 deaths (10.9 per 100,000), which equates to an average of 6.9 deaths by suicide in Australia each day.
As many as three men a day are committing suicide because the nation’s child-support system according to the Lone Father’s Association Australia. Thats just under 50% of the whole total of suicides commited in Australia.
Yes we need a champion, we need a politician who has the balls to stand up to this, he will surely get my vote and millions of others.
This is outrageous and inhuman of CSA to continue with these policies, its an indirect ACT of genocide on our own people. There must be a correct law term for this, maybe one of the legal eagle's can help?
The Best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions.
In this way the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.....Adolf Hitler
Australia needs a champion to stand up to these dictators
WE NEED A NATIONAL DAY OF MOURNING FOR ALL THE LOST SOULS THAT CSA HAS SENT TO THE GRAVE!
Give me your email mate and I will correspond that way. Please inform me now if you are soliciting for business though. Cheers
give me some contact details so I can get hold of you away from this forum and I can give you some hints and guidance.
Im still waiting for a hearing date from AAT. Hearing your response re AAT doesn't instil great confidence in me.
has anyone had experience in appealing the AAT decisions to the Federal Circuit Court ??
My Thoughts are;
Not all of the parents classified as deadbeat parents "INTENTIONALLY" mean to fail paying child support ordered by a family law court.
From what I've read, most are forced into this position due to inability to pay the debts that are forced upon them.
The harder you work to pay a debt, the more you have to pay the following year and so on till your in a hole you cant climb out of.
I see a bleak future for alot of paying parents, almost impossible for them to sustain any sort of normal lifestyle (unless you are earning the big bucks) then to top it off, they brand you as a deadbeat.
21 Australian men take their lives each week clutching CSA paperwork.
I wonder if CSA offers special plaques for these fathers who have suffered to the point of taking ones life.
Here lays another deadbeat father. Shame CSA Shame on you
Please take time to read what is happening to our fellow countrymen, caused by CSA dictatorship
Bought tears to my eyes.. RIP guys.
Our Child Support System is driving a wedge between familys.The child support laws started, Pre-19th Century - The poor laws from 1601
I've had my pay garnished 33% before tax, plus they added back payments to it for some debt they say I have accumalated, then with their dirty grubby filthy hands they also dipped into my bank account and took the rest leaving no money for rent, electricity or food not to mention other expensies (one guess where I am now).
I had good relationship with ex partner and kids before CSA got involved, was paying regular payments of what I could afford but now they can all go jump.. I wont be fighting them at all, its useless the bullshit just flows out of their filthy mouths.
My way of dealing with this is really tuff but its not as tuff as going back to work and still being unable to pay my bills.
1. Refuse to talk to any them, put all of them blood sucking looneies on block.
2. Leave the system, leave no footprint, go underground, plan your escape its possible.
Im not going to let them take another cent from me till I die then I dont care less. I can understand how some guys want to do themselves in, I have thought about it also but then the blood suckers win.
I'm sure CSA Vultures read this Daily... catch me if you can, see you hell.
Now a Glorified member of Deadbeat Dads Inc not by choice but for survival. Wish I could have had read a forum like this when I was young, I would have got the snip at very young age.
Heres the weird thing I said to CSA ok ill work under and ABN and change my assesment , I was told I cant do that because if my income drops more than 15% I have to get a change of assesment. But the ex can quit work under an ABN be unemployed drop from $38000 to $0 . No questions asked