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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
You cannot be jailed in Australia for not paying your child support. I know they tried to jail me. The only reason you will be jailed is if you have hidden money and through fair means or foul the CSA find it and prove this to the courts and the COURTS ORDER (for emphasis)...you to pay your debt and you don't. This is contempt of court.....it is not because you didn't pay because you cant or for any other reason....but for contempt of court. There is really nothing CSA can do other than apply a DPO which effectively jails you in an island jail called Australia. I repeat.....there is NOTHING they can do. It is all bullying, false threats and bluster. I know....I have been to the end and survived without being jailed
Kathryn Campbell lovely employees have decided that she can do this because she has to care for my child. What a load of S....
Campbell I am going to say this to you and your educated staff again. There were alternatives to the care. The mother worked nights and the father day. 50/50 care Campbell. The mother didnt want that, did she, hence her resignation Campbell.
CSA takes into account her Centerlink payments and casual work but doesn't take into account her Child Support. This dear caring sweet heart has a taxable income of around $22000 per year for sitting on her backside. This poor woman struggling for cash........ I hope her recent home renovations went well.
This is below the self supporting rate and her income percentage is zero according to the CSA formula.
But wait, the formula gets thrown out the window if the father is deemed to receive some back based on 8A earning capacity...because the amount is deemed to be insignificant by the lovely staff at CSA. To bad Mr Father.
I think that is a biased decision making policy Campbell. Campbell I want you to explain how when the mother benefits the formula is used but if the father benefits by the formula it is discarded. Why Campbell Why? Why are you very silent.
Where is my freedom of information request. Why is your agency hiding this information. Why did your staff send me a bull dust answer that had absolutely nothing to do with what was requested. What is the agency hiding.
Since a regular payment. I ask him to assist with the children's needs (he has no contact due to his choice of being a highly paid worker yet skilled junkie and living on opposite side of country) and I am met with refusal. If I chose not to home, clothe, feed, medicate and school my child, I would have been in prison a long time ago. Why can he just choose not to contribute to their needs? I give everything money can't buy, facilitating play dates, homework help, late nights with illness or bad dreams, hours in the emergency room when things aren't right, stress about the nutritional quality of the food we eat, making last minute costumes or taking time off work for awards, assemblies, parent teacher meetings, etc. He does nothing. Except for forget the call them once a week, but usually can't manage that. I do my best to be a good parent that works hard full time, takes the children to sports four nights a week and go without everything I need like medical care/ dental care, car servicing, work clothes and God forbid a hair dye, to make sure my kids don't go without.
Those payees out there who get no support are doing it tough. For those paying parents who are financially raped each week, well done to you for making your child's mother in a better position to support your child. It's hurts on either side of the csa coin
The more child support you receive, the less FTB you may be able to receive. You can receive a certain amount of child support before it affects your FTB. This is called the Maintenance Income Free Area. If the amount of child support you are entitled to receive in a financial year is over your Maintenance Income Free Area, your FTB payments will be reduced by 50 cents for every dollar of child support until the base rate of FTB is reached.
It's all on the DHS website
Since the introduction of the family law act introduced in 1975 more than 35000 men have killed themselves, I believe currently 5 men a week end their lives of which the family court & CSA would be directly responsible for some - I was nearly one of them.
There was a full front page spread taken out of a beach scene showing 5 dead whales washed up - huge public out cry of "save the whales"
The next day same front page spread but replaced the whales with males - nothing heard for "save the males"
I have had reply's from CSA re adjustments - after reading their legal jumbo jumbo it breaks down to - we don't care if you can't afford food or sleep in the streets etc, just pay your child support
Best interest of the child bullshit - best interest of the govt.
Did you know that if someone takes out a civil warrant the debtor has the protection of the bankruptcy act I.e. The Sheriff cannot seize household funiture, a car under $8k plus more, if the CSA take out a civil warrant under federal law that protection has been written out and the sheriff is obliged to look at all assets except bedding and clothing
And don't forget they also apply potential earnings for assessment when THEY deem so.
I have met a lot of guy's like myself who have been falsely accused of drugs, porn and inappropriate touching of my child (all proved false by police) the stress was unbelievable, make a law that if these accusations are made and proven false to aid in taking the child away from the non custodial parent, the current custodial parent loses custody, watch 95% of these accusations disappear.
I can go on and on as I have been dealing with CSA and a bitter ex wife since 2003, have not seen my oldest for 8 years now and she finally poisoned my youngest and lost him completely 2 years ago
My conclusion is a comparison to a movie war games where the computer plays itself at tic tac toe, computers conclusion, only winning move is not to play, only winning move for us men is not to have children, if I could go back and start over with the knowledge I have of this system I would not have kids, not because I don't love them but because the emotional, physiological and financial heartache and stress is not worth it.
Australia the lucky country? Not if your a separated father
1- I have a penis
2- I have a Job
3- I want to be part of my childrens lives
It was done all in court he had to show that he had to support his new family and that he was the sole earner all that shit after all his bills he couldnt afford to pay csa to his old kids so it was dropped
Why do you continue with this pretence of concern for my welfare. You are not fooling anyone.
Have you not read my letter, your councillors are a waste of time so why do you get them to call. Read my bloody letter. It is a cover your ass exercise. The fact you are doing nothing to change your evil system confirms that you don’t care and going to continue to cause men to kill themselves. If you councillor want to talk tell them to put it in writing. I want there to be proof and evidence.
You employ and use these councillors because you have a duty of care to your victims but then you carry on with the harassment and bullying. Your actions are contradictory.
The councillors use you to provide them with employment and they will justify their existence to remain employed.
I have noticed a trend with you now providing male voices instead of female. Who are you kidding. Stop playing games.
Where is my freedom of information request in relation to the number of female workers? Why are you hiding this?
what is and isn't in this world is agreed upon by some to be so, not because things just turned out like so. Very important to know this.
5 years and counting. ..
Compensation application form (CS4313)
admittedly they ultimately decide but keep these bastards busy. tbe more work you give them the harder it will be to operate.
with valid passport and offshore bank account CSA, ATO ect cannot see or garnish.
I stand as your agent today contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org I can create a new identity for you in about 3 weeks
I call them RATS vause they behave exactly like a filthy gutter RATS just like a rat hides in darkness they hide behind Thiet computers and phones and the minute there confronted they run just like Rats
Take them to court if you believe they are responsible for a death or near death this is malfeasance in public office there decision don't have to go through there appeals process if they lie and threaten and misuse their power in any way that is MALFEASANCE IN PUBLIC OFFICE and also TORTURE the first is punishable by money the second will see the rat that threatens and lies put behind bars for up to twenty years
If she doesn’t get full time employment soon is your agency going to continue to allow her to use the excuse of care. Remember you have stated “I am also satisfied that Miss xxxxx would be able to seek alternative full time employment during the day, as child care options are available to Miss xxxxxx during the day. I have found that Miss xxxxx is able to work full time”
Is that it? Is that the sum total of the CSA efforts to stop someone killing himself. A template ...seriously.
Can you not see how thick and inadequate that is.
Clearly when you say you take the welfare of parents seriously it is a load of hog wash.
Why are you “re-iterating” it. Do you think I cannot bloody read or didn’t understand you letter. Yes I will be taking it to the AAT. Then I will be taking it to a new level. You have no idea on the severity of your decisions.
Stop sending letters with superfluous rubbish in them.
Where is my bloody FOI request in relation to the numbers of employees. Your sent this garbage letter but you don’t sent that information. Why do you delay that information. Why are you playing games
Now I contacted Mensline today as per your letter and as expected another woman and as expected she could do sweet bugger all.
I asked her how many of the councillors were female and how many were males. She wouldn’t provide that information. The entire system if very one sided.
She admitted that she could not remove the root cause of the problem and that is you and your agency.
So explain to me why you have sent that letter when you continue to cause stress and mental health problems. Telling me to talk to them is a waste of time and you know it. Your letter is a cover your ass thing for the agency. As an employee you have a duty of care as does the agency . I’m sorry that letter doesn’t cut it when you continue with your actions of causing pain.
If you miss these letters you can read it on the fathers for justice site and later you will see them on my site. The entire joke of an assessment will be there.
Your assessor conveniently didn’t provide an explanation as to how he became “satisfied” with the care explanation and why he didn’t take into account the information I provided.
CSA should be held accountable for some type of Genocide, intent to systematically eliminate single fathers through consistant harrassment.
The corporate committee should be charged and the CSA system dismantaled and may they beg for mercy from all the lost souls they have sent to the grave, I hope CSA members are haunted forever and rot in hell.
Suicide Statistics for Males in Australia
Australian males are four times more likely than females to take their own lives.
Suicide rates for males aged 25-44 continue to rise. In 1990, the rate was 27 per 100,000, In 1998 it hit 37, what is it today?
175 Killer Dads: Fathers who ended their children's lives in situations involving child custody, visitation, and/or child support (USA -
See more at: http://americanmotherspoliticalparty.org/ampp-article-library-family-court-custody-abuse-dv/1-research-articles-family-court-bias-custody-abuse-battered-moms/58-175-killer-dads-fathers-who-ended-their-childrens-lives-in-situations-involving-child-custody-visitation-andor-child-support-usa#sthash.EElq7VPN.dpuf
The child support agency claims its for the good of our children, wake up Mr Government the people are suffering.
Grandparents, Siblings, Mothers, Fathers and our especially our children all feel the pain CSA in inficting on our society.
How many more deaths do we need for statistics Mr Prime Minister?
Something I found on the internet
"To a large extent we have had very little face-to-face contact. Normally, less than one per cent of our contact with separated parents and third-party carers has been face to face. There were some unfortunate customer aggression incidents that did occur that prompted us to review these arrangements"
No s...t I wonder why. don't your good honest employees like getting beaten up when they cause hurt and pain. Don't they like getting back what they deliver.
your staff didn't want me to produce information and blocked it for a reason. Am I right Campbell? They had already made their one sided decision for the assessment right in the very beginning so there was no need for me to provide anything. Am I right Campbell? They were going to give the mother whatever she wanted. Am I right. Open your mouth Campbell.
On the 10/2/2016 and on the 19/01/2016 and again on the 8/3/2016 I requested the following information.
How many woman are employed by the child support agency.
How many men are employed by the child support agency
I would like the same information for the child protection services and Centerlink.
I received a response that had nothing to do with my request. Why did your staff send me that email. It is meaningless?
Why does your agency employ these stalling techniques when people are requesting information from you?
Do you have something to hide? Are you trying to hide something? Answer.
I have put in a complaint with the relative authority in regards to your departments failure to provide the correct FOI information in a timely manner. Congratulations.
You seem to have all the answers to everything except when I am asking the questions. Campbell cant you agency respond correctly and in the same time frame that they require me to response i.e. 9 days and 3 days.
These are just bloody blocking techniques are they not? You made my response time short so that I cannot provide a proper defence then you delay matters to a ridiculous level when I want answers to slow things down. Why?
Why are you so silent. Your agency causes grief and harm to fathers and you head this agency. Why do you do this? Why do you cause men to kill themselves. Again why do you deny children fathers? Why don’t you respond? Don’t get subordinates to talk for you. Open your mouth.
You are silent too. You want to stop family violence then get rid of the root cause. Remove the incentive for woman to screw their partners over. That incentive is the child support agency and the family court system. You put men’s backs to the wall and they react that way. You government says you are trying to stop family violence.....but your laws and interpretation of the laws are part of the problem. Is it not? Are you that stupid that you cannot see that as being a contributing factor?
Remember Campbell you cannot enslave the sole of someone that is dead.
don't waste your time dealing will the individuals at the bottom flood those at the top with complaints and don't let up. crash their gender discriminatory system
send them lots of emails. as the head of this mob they need to be kept abreast of the havoc they are causing with peoples lives
send them emails lots of emails
Why do you allow the child support agency to exist.
You answer this question Prime Minister, don’t pass it on the very people that are causing the problems and allowing them to respond.
Why is this agency allowed to harass fathers and turn their worlds upside down? Who the bloody hell do these people think they are and who gives them the right to hurt people in the way they do? Why are you allowing this to continue?
I am going to ask this question again because I haven’t received an answer to it.
How many men commit suicide because of the direct involvement of this agency? How many men does this agency kill on average per week through their involvement? How many children don’t have fathers because of this agency?
You have no bloody idea, do you Prime Minister? You know it is a problem, you know people are killing themselves because of this agency but you do nothing Prime Minister. Am I correct?
You go on about domestic violence on TV but I haven’t seen you do anything about this. Are woman’s lives more important than men’s lives? Is it okay for men to die Mr Prime Minister?
I recently received a letter from a CSA manager dated 15/2/2016. Clearly very little consideration has been given to the points raised, and this letter is just a brush off. This is a concern and shows a pattern which one can liken to that seen in the assessment.
In this letter I was directed to speak to people further down the chain if I had any further enquiries. Effectively what she was saying was that I am going to respond with dribble which you must accept and if you don’t like it talk to someone else because I don’t want to know.
•Why does this agency use these information blocking techniques to prevent effective communication? We have seen this is the assessment when I was blocked from presenting information.
•Why don’t you answer the questions and engage in conversation in relation to the questions?
My emails were directed at the Prime Minister, Ministers and The Head of the Child Support Agency. I get brushed off to this manager and she brushes me off to subordinates.
1.Why don’t the people in charge of this agency take responsibility for their decisions in relation to this agency? Why do you brush people off?
In response to the letter
I have serious concerns about the response and I question whether due consideration has been given to the issues. It is my opinion that this response is a meaningless brush off with numerous errors. Am I correct? Your letter is designed to complicated/confuse matters in the hope that it will become too hard and I will go away. I’m not going anywhere. There are serious issues with the CSA
You say the agency takes the welfare of “parents extremely seriously”. Your agency is the source of the hurt, and in some cases, suicides.
1.How can we take your comments seriously when your agency cont
............This letter continues but is too long for this space. The prime ministers, minister social services, minister human services and Cathryn Campbells address are all on the internet........SEND the lovely people LOTS of emails and demand answers and do so regularly The more people do that will cause this unjust system to fail. It will goo into overload and crumble. CC them all i.........
You can still go privite with your x even with CSA
Unless she has asked CSA to collect the money for her ?
CSA will send you a statement to tell you how much you have to pay throu privite aggreement and you pay itstraight to her
Not to sure why she was forced into the csa line unless the kids are over 8 then she can go to CSA and tell them to get the money for her as she wont be on gov hand outs
Advance Australia Fkn fair.
Would be interested to hear if anyone else has been threatened by her?
I'm in the process of going down this road at the moment so don't take on the CSA GIANT cause you are taking on the government instead take on the individual that is lying and intimidating you
Once one goes down then the rest will think twice before they bend and break the rules whenever they feel like
Please send all your stories of discrimination, abuse & harrasment by the CSA to http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/feedback.aspx
Surely if we flood them they will start to consider investigating.
Even send them to 60 Minutes 60Minutes@nine.com.au
Child support is a tragedy, just like the stolen gen, the blacks without a vote and many more. Your letter is quite correct men and women deeply affected by this need to make more noise.. to local MPs to papers and in rallies. Nelson Mandela continued to write letters for many years before he was released. cmon people get up and get angry.
Make no mistake - they are criminals. DO NOT talk to them or EMail or Message them... EVER. Get on GOV.AU web site and ONLY go through that. THey say shit like "Oh we can't SEND you documents through that etc etc etc" but when they HAVE to they can of course!! Then, you access it when YOU need to and when YOU have the best space and clarity and strength mentally....
Good luck (I have been dealing with for 15 years now and have another 12 to go!!!)
Don't give up ever on the hope that your kids can grow up and come back one day. I have grieved again and again the loss of my children except they are still (thankgod) on this earth, so every new photo that friends can sneak from social media is a treasure to me but I grieve again after looking at their faces. I keep positive and believe that while there is a future and my kids and I are in that future then something will bring us back together one day. I see it as though if I wasn't here and gave into the grief then my kids will never know the truth and will never have a chance to have their mum back. I also believe that if I want something to change or something to happen I have to set a goal and chip away until I'm on the path that will get me there. Some days just outright suck, the pain is almost unbearable but the future is still there and my kids will be there too. As for CSA and the so called legislation they are the reason my ex destroyed my kids relationship with me, he wanted money and has been relentless in his pursuit to lie and get as much of my money that he possibly can. Without CS I would have all my kids with me right now because it's all about the money to him. Keep your chin up, tread water as long as it takes you to survive, one day you'll be swimming wherever you want to.