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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: scott from New South Wales, Australia on January 27, 2016 @ 4:51 pm
    Hi all can any please tell me who i can see in nsw about my ex taking the kids out of state to live, have tried some people but seem to be a lot of toothless tigers out there they dont want to help must
    By: Lander from QLD, Australia on January 25, 2016 @ 4:36 pm
    CSA arent exactly truth tellers sarah! of course they will say "tax must be done" but its great news you got a satisfactory result. good luck getting the bonus set aside when the ex sees his annual taxable income figure.

    In my experience, my saving grace was that i had NOT paid. I lodged my 2011 to 2014 tax returns only recently and it was only because i hadnt paid that the debt was written off. If the money had gone to my ex then they say well she has spent the money so its too bad no credit back to you. incurring a debt is nothing to fear. it costs nothing and keeps the ball in your court.

    My second saving grace was because i had delayed my 2007 tax lodgement also, it meant that my "capacity to earn" could not be considered for other income years. in 2007 i earned $160k and in any other year my income is $50-$90k. so if my 2007 was lodged on time then they have the right to set my assessment for every year at $160k. you may benefit from some professional advice if you choose that path. perhaps a court order for a set amount? rather than leaving it in CSA's hands to rape and pillage you. all the best
    By: Sarah from WA, Australia on January 25, 2016 @ 1:38 pm
    Hi All, Just got off the phone to CSA and thought I'd share the information i received. Tax must be done and as we have just moved to direct collection (after 13 years of private arrangement) we will only have to back pay the extra for 3 months (we can ask to have the bonus kept out of the assessment as it was a one off but she can decline this). Even if you do your tax after they child turns 18 you will still incur a debt.
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on January 25, 2016 @ 12:25 pm
    Sarah - be careful following Lander's advice

    as an employee, the CSA will just derive your husband's income from ATO information, then use his gross, less any tax, to arrive at an assessable income. This means you will NOT get the benefit of any deductions / write downs etc. If you lodge late, it is deemed to be your fault, so you will not receive any benefits from it, that is a lowering of the income at some later date.

    Secondly and importantly, waiting until after the kids are 18 before lodging does NOT assist. The CSA will back date this to the assessments, and you may have debt created.

    do not heed any advice that tells you to NOT pay or AVOID paying. Pay what they say, and lodge objections if necessary.
    By: Sarah from WA, Australia on January 25, 2016 @ 10:01 am
    Hi Lander, Thanks for that. Tax is withheld by his employer as for refunds its hit and miss some years he might get $1000 return other years it might be a small bill. Is there no recourse once the case is closed? Frankly we's be much better off paying a pentalty to the ATO then the increase in CS due to the bonus. I need to say that we are not trying to screw anyone out of anything here we just want some fairness and $1300 per month for a 17 year old who spends 50% of his time at our house is excessive.
    By: Lander from QLD, Australia on January 25, 2016 @ 11:03 am
    Hi Sarah, is your husband expecting a refund? i.e. has tax already been withheld on his wages & bonus etc - if so, do NOT lodge his tax return any time soon. there is no penalty for late lodgement if your return is a refund. if you are not sure, i can do a quick calc for you. only lodge the return when required ie finance application etc - hopefully this will be after the child turns 18 and the file is closed.
    By: Tony L from NSW, Aus on January 24, 2016 @ 8:37 pm
    Mel from Vic, I could not agree with you more. The Child Support Agency and Centerlink just exacerbate the family breakdown. A horrible situation is just made worse by the government. I have heard that the CSA costs more to administer than what they ever recover from their victims.
    The real victims, unfortunately, are the children who have to endure another platform of stress and anxiety thrust onto their estranged parents.
    By: jenny from Victoria, Australia on January 24, 2016 @ 6:27 pm
    Hi Mel, I agree the system is screwed...it was reported in the media the other day someone commenting that we are leaning more and more towards a police state. My family came to this country (On the top deck of a ship) from England in 1813 (ie over 200 years ago). I have lost my medicare card and went to apply for a new one, because I hadn't used it for 10 years I now have to "prove" I am an Australian citizen! I might add I was the only obviously Caucasian person in the building at the time!
    As to having to force your ex partner to pay the CSA....tell'em it was a 1 night stand in Paris after a big night at the pub and you have no idea who or where he is!
    Someone referred to this mob as being like Hitler! Way to soft I think that this is the training ground for the humaless idiots reaking terror all around the world!
    1020. By: Sarah from WA, Australia on January 24, 2016 @ 1:21 pm
    After some advice please (after my vent)... We have always had a private arrangement with my husbands ex, each year we would increase the amount we also have both kids (19 & 17) on top private health cover and pay for other expenses. The 17 year old finished school in Oct 15 and in December started working full time earning about $550 per week and just as importantly started living with us during the week and back at his mothers every other weekend. We contacted CSA to tak about our options and they advised that until he is 18 they cannot close the case but we can appeal having to pay as the 17 year old is now making money and they also changed the level of care. We then contacted the ex and explained that due to the change in earning and living circumstances we would no longer be paying child support. She works a couple of hours a week and as the child support impacts her family tax beneft she lost the plot and told us that we are screwing her (she doesnt want to work full time, never has). She told CSA that she has 17 year old 79% and told centrelink that she has him 95% of the time, she also opted for a direct collection and to be backpaid the full amount for the previous 3 months so we've received a bill for the last three months and a new assessment going forward (clearly we will dispute level of care). The 17 year old lost his job and so we will have to start paying again... my concern is that we have not done my husbands tax from last year (he received a sizable bonus), when we do his tax will be have to back pay the new assessment amount? Apparently $200,000 over 13 years just isnt enough for her.
    By: Dave Mills from Sydney NSW, Australia on January 24, 2016 @ 1:36 pm
    Tony - "CSA in Australia should be held accountable for the suicides"
    I totally agree with your comment Tony and other comments I have read here.
    Australia does need some sort of national recognition to shame this currupt agency that pushes people into such stress and depression that finally leads to suicide.

    We need to get the message out to all our brothers, sons, all men really to beware of the evil system that lurks behind one night of making love.

    One night of entrapment or deception can ruin your life forever. Ask yourselves is it worth your life to bring another into the world?

    (Note: Beware condoms do not work if the woman wants a child, conception by deception rules are legal.
    By: Mel from Vic, Aus on January 23, 2016 @ 11:13 pm
    I was advised by centrelink I HAD to apply for child support otherwise I would not be eligible for a parenting payment after having baby, that is a joke. As if t Whoever said it's a business is correct, these bustards want to rip us all And contractually try to hind us by their laws, it's all bullshit.as If the unemployed fckwit has/would ever pay anyway? Full of policies and procedures tha are asking our time and keeping them comfortable. If the other parent wants to put in for their kid they'll make it happen. If they don't, u make it happen without. I agree with avoiding these prices at all costs. It's not all women who are so savage either guys, some men are fucking cold and simply never bat an eyelid.
    By: Tony Leape from NSW, Australia on January 23, 2016 @ 3:50 pm
    The CSA in Australia should be held accountable for the suicides of the decent men that were stripped of their dignity in the most vulnerable time of their lives. Stand tall and fight this any way you can.
    By: robin from nsw, australia on January 23, 2016 @ 9:58 am
    ex happy dad
    you pay $36 a day for 1 kid hell Im a mum and i get $1.075 a day for 1 14yr old and $1.095 for a 8 yr old and yer my x ownes his own bussiness so he doesnt have to pay at all as csa have told me they cant get money from a ABN holder cause he doesnt have a income the business does
    By: MI from nt, australia on January 22, 2016 @ 3:10 pm
    So as a general comment on csa family courts dcp icl and all other 'Government folks'the mother removes the kids breach of ords the courts do jack shit the kids now hate me and the csa hits me with a dpo ...and yes the kids the mum the court the dcp and all others want me to pay .....well let me just say this...bdhsgbnskkennd amamjdhdgendnedrct and then as a result ofebdvdwkb then things might change
    By: Ex Hapy Dad from Queensland, Australia on January 22, 2016 @ 2:00 pm
    Robin
    Thanks for the reply, no court orders, no arrears, I am what the CSA term a compliant payer :-) I get that if I don't have him over it should be more and I would expect that the rate I was paying would be increased by the 2 days of extra care. Started with 432 the ex gets for 12 nights care 432 / 12 = 36 per day and based on 36 per day I would expect the number to increase to 36 x 14 = 504, instead it went up to 641, the CSA calculator supports the numbers but the question still remains, why. What explanation is there to explain why it costs 141 dollars more for 2 days care. I suspect that the logic they apply to this works backwards from the full amount. Lets say the full amount is 641, if he stays over I am compensated for the days care as well as having a room and bed for him etc.
    By: robin from nsw, australia on January 22, 2016 @ 1:28 pm
    ex happy dad
    csa go on how many nights u have your kid if u dont have him at all eg over night care = more than 110 nights/days a yr then u will have to pay extra BUT why are you paying half of his school fees csa payments should be paying for it not you also health funds csa payment should be used for that as well
    So dont pay for anything extra and dont agree to pay extra even if the x goes after it say NO also if you have any court orders about what you should be paying for cost of care and all the extras you are paying for now are not in it send them a copy that way they cant get any thing more from you
    By: Ex Happy Dad from QLD, Australia on January 22, 2016 @ 10:25 am
    Hoping someone can explain this to me, no joy with CSA. I was paying 432 fortnight for 1 teenage boy, 2 nights care fortnight. My son decided he didn't want to stay over anymore cause he had all his things at home, no sweat we still hang out alot, he just doesn't stay over. Then I get a re-assesment from the CSA for 641 fortnight. The math does not seem right, 432 / 12 = 36 per day. 641 / 14 = 45 per day. Why is there a $9 a day increase for 0 days care. Seems like it is some kind of financial penalty for not having my son staying over, since it is not my decision, how is this fair. On top of this I pay for his health insurance and half his private school fees which is not part of the CSA assessment, so am seriously considering not paying the school fees as it works out to roughly the difference. Thoughts?
    By: richard from wa, australia on January 21, 2016 @ 8:44 am
    Hi Linda from vic
    please send me your email and I will pass it on to him so he can contact you directly. nzknight40@yahoo.com
    cheers
    1010. By: linda from Victoria, Australia on January 21, 2016 @ 10:26 am
    Hi richard from WA, I would very much like to have some help from your ex CSA agent. Am feeling very lost and abused with this system.
    By: richard from wa, australia on January 20, 2016 @ 10:25 am
    Hi all
    I know a guy who used to work in CSA who has become my agent. he has very reasonable charges and will guide you through the nightmare of these stupid laws and offer good advice. Whenever I have contacted CSA I just get abused by some uppity woman who quite possibly is a lesbian and I am treated very much like a criminal. So it has been a lot less stressful to have a third party talk to these ignorant people and it stops that feeling of helplessness and anger when you get off the phone to CSA.
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on January 20, 2016 @ 9:43 am
    Kel

    I have had a number of telephone conversations with different persons on this site and have also met up with another.

    It's not always advice - but I will provide guidance to those about to go through processes that I have recently been through - objection to CSA, Objecting to AAT etc ...

    sick of getting beaten down by the system, so would like to see it "leveled out" .. if I can make a process a bit easier for someone to navigate, or to prepare for .. then happy to assist.
    By: Kel from Nsw, Aust on January 20, 2016 @ 11:44 am
    Wow Oscar,
    Awesome bitch and whinge you just had.
    Who did help with that sound advice you just posted?
    Good one!
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on January 20, 2016 @ 8:31 am
    the system doesn't, and will not, change while all you all do is just 'bitch' about it.

    I do not see much "assistance", or "suggestion" on here - but I see post after post of "the system does me wrong" or "the Nazis are in control" ..

    grow up

    start providing constructive assistance to each other so the system starts to get beaten - and will have to change

    grow up

    provide suggestions and solutions in the hope that someone on here has a contact to the Senate / government, or becomes a member and can start to do something about it ..

    grow up - else crawl back into your shallow holes in the shadows and whinge to yourself.

    I came on here hoping to help others and to seek guidance. I have received NO guidance from anyone - despite the questions and requests I make. I still offer to help, and do help, some occasionally.

    you know that crooked shelf in your cupboard, or that squeaky wheel on the bike, or the "snowy" reception on your TV - it doesn't get fixed while you sit on the couch and bitch that it's "crooked", or "squeaky" or "snowy" .. it gets fixed when you get off your ass and do something about it ...

    grow up
    By: Ky from Nsw, Aust on January 20, 2016 @ 10:35 am
    Sally,
    Such a judgemental comment! I am an educated, full time working mum who is a leader in her field (yes I work with children!) But, my ex was abusive, look up parent alienation, mental abuse starts long before the separation and when your children have been told the awful things that mine were, over time they think they believe it. So no there is nothing wrong with me or my parenting, my ex even admitted that he did this to 'get me to pay'. You say walk away from your kids, but would you be happy to walk away when you know your kids are living with someone who abused you, get real Sally. I am a great mum and I refuse to walk away from my kids. I won't ever judge you or anyone else for the decisions they are forced to make and maybe you shouldn't either. I also wouldn't wish my situation on anyone and hope no one ever has to suffer at the hands of abuse, denigration, isolation, bullying and then from a system that should be helping not adding to the destruction. An open mind might help you to grow in your opinions too!
    By: Sally from NSW, Australia on January 20, 2016 @ 10:00 am
    CSA, family law and magistrates courts are not broken, they are designed to rip you off to the max, its a business, its an awesome money making machine.
    People need to wake up and avoid this system of corruption, zero use, zero contact, zero phone calls ... just pure avoidance as much as possible.
    Let your kids go! they will find a way back to you in time without the expense of 3rd parties, refuse to play the game.

    Most people think they will get a fair go with the court system, they are delusional its all rigged .. stats show only 1% of men will ever win, so why waste your hard earned cash.

    Do not use the kids as pawns if your relationship runs foul, just walk away or it will cost more than you believe and all for nothing.

    KY... for a woman to lose her kids, tells me she must be totally incapable of something.
    By: Steve from Tasmania, Australia on January 19, 2016 @ 9:58 pm
    Hi Ky, you are absolutely right. It is an easy assumption to make and I acknowledge your situation. Family Law is a broken system that needs a major overhaul, along with the CSA. It beggars belief that so called 'experts' are scratching their heads wondering why suicide rates are so high and society is falling apart at the seams when one major problem is right under their noses - the application of Family Law. Why can't it be understood that at the worst possible time in a person's life with all the upheaval and emotional stress of a break up, combined with separation from one's own children and the dramas involved with property settlement does this agency come crashing down the door saying pay up or else, giving the impression that it actually WANTS to be your enemy? I'm still dealing with the fallout 6 years later. Good luck to all.
    By: Ky from Nsw, Aust on January 19, 2016 @ 8:47 pm
    We are making the assumption that CSA are against men, but I'm a mum and I'm in the same boat as so many dad's out there. Kids taken from you because the other parent is empowered by family law to do so and courts reluctant to stand up and say 'no way, you won't get away with that!' CSA as a system is wrong, it's not individualised and just throws every family into the same basket, some survive some perish, some just suffer like mindless zombies with no hope for help. My ex took everything, money house kids everything, I started my life again from the dirt pile he threw me into when he threw me out of my home, but CSA don't care about this they don't look at what it takes to fill the empty cupboard for the first time again, or how your going to raise enough for a bond and 2 weeks rent upfront, nor the bills the ex ran up in your name, the fact you had to sleep on the floor until you could scrap together a few dollars for a bed, all the while the ex trots along with no costs, bills or furniture to buy, and CSA says oh yeah now you can pay over half your wages out because his expenses are more important! It's a system gone mad. Every family is unique and it's about time CSA and legislation be made to look at cases on the whole picture not just a black and white numerical formula. Yes I want to make sure my kids have what they need but I have to be able to live to, and let's see some restrictions put on the money, eg a base amount for housing food etc then proof from the receiving parent of any expenses from the remaining monies and money not spent on acceptable items each month is then returned to the paying parent, atleast this way the money will go to the kids and not the ex lifestyle.
    By: Richard Knight from wa, australia on January 19, 2016 @ 5:41 pm
    The million dollar question is how do we fight this. I spent 10 yrs in court in NZ fighting the state and they just threw more money at it. In the end I was facing 6 top NZ law firms in one court room. the case was tabled in parliament at $750,000 and we spent another two years at it. Then they changed the law wiping out all we had fought for. Maybe men need to become more militant with their polititions...certainly the feminist movement has seemed to make inroads this way.
    1000. By: Steve from Tasmania, Australia on January 19, 2016 @ 5:13 pm
    Have your kids taken from you and pay for the privilege - that sums up the CSA for me. They are a proxy for a vindictive ex that refuses to allow a father to move on, be involved with his kids upbringing and try and make something of his now destroyed life! She wont let me have the kids for all the pathetic reasons in the world, then puts her hand out for CS - its a bloody crime, or at least it should be. Why are they allowed to continue to do this? I thought we lived in a free country, not a bloody totalitarian dictatorship!
    By: Richard Knight from wa, australia on January 19, 2016 @ 9:04 am
    I agree whole heartedly. What you are describing is labour bonding which is illegal all over the world yet apparently not for our government. Yes I too wanted to raise my kids but I had them stolen from me by the state and then was told to pay the state for the privilege of that in the form of CS. This taxation is simply a destruction of parenting hidden under the guise that fathers are "deadbeats" who dont want to look after their kids. It a tax that forces fathers to be unable to look after their kids.
    By: prophet.abuvia on drugs from world is fucked up, New Zealand on January 18, 2016 @ 8:49 pm
    haha there is some really fucked up people on this forum especially kelsmith, Louise Jessy and Kim Dean.

    I think they need help
    By: kate from Queensland, Australia on January 18, 2016 @ 5:37 pm
    Thank you everyone for your great words and support.its been very helpful
    By: Gail from QLD, Australia-England on January 18, 2016 @ 6:27 pm
    Can anyone tell me if CSA is a company here in Australia like it is in other countrys or is it Government run by public servants?

    Are the magistrates courts here owned by the same company?

    can anyone provide this info?

    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on January 18, 2016 @ 8:07 am
    Kate - email me at Oscar-grouch@outlook.com with a phone number and I will have a chat to you. Hopefully I may have some ideas / solutions that might assist.

    have a phone that you can put loud speaker on so your partner can listen / participate as well.

    good luck
    By: Peter from NSW, Australia on January 18, 2016 @ 9:25 am
    Serge these guys that are commiting suicide because of the CSA should do it as marta's
    Hang from the big coathanger at sydney harbour and make a statment.
    Their pain and suffering will not go un-noticed.
    It may save the next generation
    By: Lander from Qld, Australia on January 18, 2016 @ 7:52 am
    Hi Kate, there is no chance they can take your income into account. CSA representatives blatantly lie, cheat and steal. Be sure to not provide any financials EVER.
    A tribunal will consider whether or not your husband is reducing his hours in order to avoid his CS liability. It is a common scenario for avoiders. The reason that he is the primary carer for your daughter is legit.
    So my advice is to not lose any sleep over it, dont let their fear mongering cause you to doubt yourself. You KNOW the truth!
    By: Kate from QUEENSLAND, Australia on January 18, 2016 @ 7:08 am
    Hello
    Let me start by saying I am a mother and I think the way the system favours mothers is unjust and unfair. I also have a step daughter. I would appreciate someone helping me out understanding something myself and husband were told by a child support representative. Recently our circumstances changed I own my own company and my husband works for me. We decided that he would decrease his hours to only 15 a week to care for our daughter and concentrate on his bodybuilding passion. subsequently his child support dropped and his ex has contested it. We still have his daughter 46% and contribute when asked and even offer without request (from my income). His ex has lied and said we never contribute and that my husband owns the company. He has no legal rights to my company and I am the sole director with all shares it is my company and I have worked very hard for it myself. This child support representative who is handling the dispute has believed everything my husbands ex has said with no proof and told him they can take my earnings and my company into account? How is this fair? His ex's partner works in the mines and construction earning over $100,000 a year (double what i earn) and he said we do not take her partners income into account? How is this fair? We have never let my husbands child go without anything. We want to support her in every way possible with time, love and she is always well looked after when she is with us. I have worked very hard for my company can someone please tell me that CS cannot use it against us? My husband has no legal or financial ties to it other than a business payment card in his name that can only b used for business purchases.
    Sorry for venting I believe in fathers supporting their children we care for his daughter almost 50% of the time clearly we want to be involved parents. I just need to understand the inequality why my income should come into play when her defacto partners does not.

    Thanks for hearing me out
    By: Kris from nsw, Australia on January 17, 2016 @ 4:38 pm
    Hi to all paying parents, CSA / Family Law multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new " stolen generation " and creating " domestic violence ". Let me tell you this system will NEVER change, you will struggle, it will affect your future relationship/s, this system was well thought of, it didn't happen by accident. They don't care about you. The lawers will bleed you. They divert everything thats how they bleed you. Be a mean mf with them, remember you're going to see a liar not a lawyer. There lies a bigger agenda behind this but knowing it won't solve your current problems although it might make you less blind to all the b.s from all levels. Good luck.
    Advance Australia Fk fair.
    990. By: Serge from QLD, Australia on January 17, 2016 @ 3:34 pm
    Mike
    Re:CSA on par with Adolf Hitler, wow that hits the ball for a six mate, it's right on I like it. A day of mourning, how about remembrance day?

    FACTS AND STATS ABOUT SUICIDE IN AUSTRALIA SUMMARY

    In 2013, 1,885 males (16.4 per 100,000) and 637 females (5.5 per 100,000) died by suicide, a total of 2,522 deaths (10.9 per 100,000), which equates to an average of 6.9 deaths by suicide in Australia each day.

    As many as three men a day are committing suicide because the nation’s child-support system according to the Lone Father’s Association Australia. Thats just under 50% of the whole total of suicides commited in Australia.

    Yes we need a champion, we need a politician who has the balls to stand up to this, he will surely get my vote and millions of others.

    This is outrageous and inhuman of CSA to continue with these policies, its an indirect ACT of genocide on our own people. There must be a correct law term for this, maybe one of the legal eagle's can help?
    By: Mike S from NSW, Australia on January 16, 2016 @ 3:05 pm
    CSA on par with Adolf Hitler

    The Best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions.

    In this way the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.....Adolf Hitler

    Australia needs a champion to stand up to these dictators

    WE NEED A NATIONAL DAY OF MOURNING FOR ALL THE LOST SOULS THAT CSA HAS SENT TO THE GRAVE!
    By: Oscar from SA, australia on January 14, 2016 @ 4:27 pm
    Tired - sorry wrong one

    Oscar-grouch@outlook.com
    By: Oscar from SA, australia on January 14, 2016 @ 4:21 pm
    Tired -

    Oscar-grouch@grouch.com
    By: Tired from WA, Aust on January 14, 2016 @ 4:16 pm
    Hi Oscar
    Give me your email mate and I will correspond that way. Please inform me now if you are soliciting for business though. Cheers
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on January 14, 2016 @ 4:10 pm
    Tired - good to hear from you. I responded to your earlier posts.

    give me some contact details so I can get hold of you away from this forum and I can give you some hints and guidance.
    By: Tired from WA, AUST on January 14, 2016 @ 3:46 pm
    Hi Oscar
    Im still waiting for a hearing date from AAT. Hearing your response re AAT doesn't instil great confidence in me.
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on January 14, 2016 @ 3:00 pm
    so I have just got my decision back from the AAT. I will appeal this decision on a few matters of law that the Tribunal Member applied incorrectly.

    has anyone had experience in appealing the AAT decisions to the Federal Circuit Court ??
    By: Deadbeat Parents from QLD, Australia on January 10, 2016 @ 2:35 pm
    Wikipedia -Deadbeat parent is a pejorative term[1] referring to parents of any gender who do not fulfill their parental responsibilities, especially when they evade court-ordered child support obligations or custody arrangements. The gender-specific deadbeat dad and deadbeat mom are commonly used to refer to men and women who have fathered or mothered a child and intentionally fail to pay child support ordered by a family law court or statutory agency such as the Child Support Agency.

    My Thoughts are;
    Not all of the parents classified as deadbeat parents "INTENTIONALLY" mean to fail paying child support ordered by a family law court.
    From what I've read, most are forced into this position due to inability to pay the debts that are forced upon them.
    The harder you work to pay a debt, the more you have to pay the following year and so on till your in a hole you cant climb out of.
    I see a bleak future for alot of paying parents, almost impossible for them to sustain any sort of normal lifestyle (unless you are earning the big bucks) then to top it off, they brand you as a deadbeat.
    21 Australian men take their lives each week clutching CSA paperwork.
    I wonder if CSA offers special plaques for these fathers who have suffered to the point of taking ones life.
    Here lays another deadbeat father. Shame CSA Shame on you

    Please take time to read what is happening to our fellow countrymen, caused by CSA dictatorship
    http://australianmensrights.com/Men_Suicide_Statistics_Australia/Male_Suicide_rates_in_Australia-Family_Law.aspx

    Bought tears to my eyes.. RIP guys.

    Our Child Support System is driving a wedge between familys.The child support laws started, Pre-19th Century - The poor laws from 1601
    http://www.childsupportanalysis.co.uk/information_and_explanation/world/history_usa.htm
    By: Junals from VIC, Australia on January 9, 2016 @ 7:47 pm
    I came from the bank just this morning and the bank said that the CSA getting my upcoming money which will be deposited to my account worth $7,000. Theyre torturing me, got nothing for myself specially nothing to send family supply for my 3 children in Philippines and wife which is 37weeks pregnant. Im totally broken, how can i get back my money. What can I do then i guess reporting to ombudsman takes time but i still want to give a try, and can CSA cannot access my savings account if i wont declare my tax num on it?thanks for the help Lander.
    980. By: System gone mad from Vic, Australia on January 9, 2016 @ 1:16 pm
    Leigh the system has gone mad

    I've had my pay garnished 33% before tax, plus they added back payments to it for some debt they say I have accumalated, then with their dirty grubby filthy hands they also dipped into my bank account and took the rest leaving no money for rent, electricity or food not to mention other expensies (one guess where I am now).

    I had good relationship with ex partner and kids before CSA got involved, was paying regular payments of what I could afford but now they can all go jump.. I wont be fighting them at all, its useless the bullshit just flows out of their filthy mouths.

    My way of dealing with this is really tuff but its not as tuff as going back to work and still being unable to pay my bills.

    1. Refuse to talk to any them, put all of them blood sucking looneies on block.
    2. Leave the system, leave no footprint, go underground, plan your escape its possible.

    Im not going to let them take another cent from me till I die then I dont care less. I can understand how some guys want to do themselves in, I have thought about it also but then the blood suckers win.

    I'm sure CSA Vultures read this Daily... catch me if you can, see you hell.

    Now a Glorified member of Deadbeat Dads Inc not by choice but for survival. Wish I could have had read a forum like this when I was young, I would have got the snip at very young age.
    By: lyndon from qld, aus on January 9, 2016 @ 11:10 am
    need some advise . I have 50/50 care and work full time as PAYG, and pay CS. EX quits a full time job because she cant be bothered anymore then works a 13 contract under an ABN , then from next week is unemployed . CSA send me a change of assesment that my payments have gone up due to her having a zero income. I called them and explained that she still worked part of the year full time then worked under an ABN , guess what theres nothing we can do you just have to pay.
    Heres the weird thing I said to CSA ok ill work under and ABN and change my assesment , I was told I cant do that because if my income drops more than 15% I have to get a change of assesment. But the ex can quit work under an ABN be unemployed drop from $38000 to $0 . No questions asked
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