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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
A tribunal will consider whether or not your husband is reducing his hours in order to avoid his CS liability. It is a common scenario for avoiders. The reason that he is the primary carer for your daughter is legit.
So my advice is to not lose any sleep over it, dont let their fear mongering cause you to doubt yourself. You KNOW the truth!
Let me start by saying I am a mother and I think the way the system favours mothers is unjust and unfair. I also have a step daughter. I would appreciate someone helping me out understanding something myself and husband were told by a child support representative. Recently our circumstances changed I own my own company and my husband works for me. We decided that he would decrease his hours to only 15 a week to care for our daughter and concentrate on his bodybuilding passion. subsequently his child support dropped and his ex has contested it. We still have his daughter 46% and contribute when asked and even offer without request (from my income). His ex has lied and said we never contribute and that my husband owns the company. He has no legal rights to my company and I am the sole director with all shares it is my company and I have worked very hard for it myself. This child support representative who is handling the dispute has believed everything my husbands ex has said with no proof and told him they can take my earnings and my company into account? How is this fair? His ex's partner works in the mines and construction earning over $100,000 a year (double what i earn) and he said we do not take her partners income into account? How is this fair? We have never let my husbands child go without anything. We want to support her in every way possible with time, love and she is always well looked after when she is with us. I have worked very hard for my company can someone please tell me that CS cannot use it against us? My husband has no legal or financial ties to it other than a business payment card in his name that can only b used for business purchases.
Sorry for venting I believe in fathers supporting their children we care for his daughter almost 50% of the time clearly we want to be involved parents. I just need to understand the inequality why my income should come into play when her defacto partners does not.
Thanks for hearing me out
Advance Australia Fk fair.
Re:CSA on par with Adolf Hitler, wow that hits the ball for a six mate, it's right on I like it. A day of mourning, how about remembrance day?
FACTS AND STATS ABOUT SUICIDE IN AUSTRALIA SUMMARY
In 2013, 1,885 males (16.4 per 100,000) and 637 females (5.5 per 100,000) died by suicide, a total of 2,522 deaths (10.9 per 100,000), which equates to an average of 6.9 deaths by suicide in Australia each day.
As many as three men a day are committing suicide because the nation’s child-support system according to the Lone Father’s Association Australia. Thats just under 50% of the whole total of suicides commited in Australia.
Yes we need a champion, we need a politician who has the balls to stand up to this, he will surely get my vote and millions of others.
This is outrageous and inhuman of CSA to continue with these policies, its an indirect ACT of genocide on our own people. There must be a correct law term for this, maybe one of the legal eagle's can help?
The Best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions.
In this way the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.....Adolf Hitler
Australia needs a champion to stand up to these dictators
WE NEED A NATIONAL DAY OF MOURNING FOR ALL THE LOST SOULS THAT CSA HAS SENT TO THE GRAVE!
Give me your email mate and I will correspond that way. Please inform me now if you are soliciting for business though. Cheers
give me some contact details so I can get hold of you away from this forum and I can give you some hints and guidance.
Im still waiting for a hearing date from AAT. Hearing your response re AAT doesn't instil great confidence in me.
has anyone had experience in appealing the AAT decisions to the Federal Circuit Court ??
My Thoughts are;
Not all of the parents classified as deadbeat parents "INTENTIONALLY" mean to fail paying child support ordered by a family law court.
From what I've read, most are forced into this position due to inability to pay the debts that are forced upon them.
The harder you work to pay a debt, the more you have to pay the following year and so on till your in a hole you cant climb out of.
I see a bleak future for alot of paying parents, almost impossible for them to sustain any sort of normal lifestyle (unless you are earning the big bucks) then to top it off, they brand you as a deadbeat.
21 Australian men take their lives each week clutching CSA paperwork.
I wonder if CSA offers special plaques for these fathers who have suffered to the point of taking ones life.
Here lays another deadbeat father. Shame CSA Shame on you
Please take time to read what is happening to our fellow countrymen, caused by CSA dictatorship
Bought tears to my eyes.. RIP guys.
Our Child Support System is driving a wedge between familys.The child support laws started, Pre-19th Century - The poor laws from 1601
I've had my pay garnished 33% before tax, plus they added back payments to it for some debt they say I have accumalated, then with their dirty grubby filthy hands they also dipped into my bank account and took the rest leaving no money for rent, electricity or food not to mention other expensies (one guess where I am now).
I had good relationship with ex partner and kids before CSA got involved, was paying regular payments of what I could afford but now they can all go jump.. I wont be fighting them at all, its useless the bullshit just flows out of their filthy mouths.
My way of dealing with this is really tuff but its not as tuff as going back to work and still being unable to pay my bills.
1. Refuse to talk to any them, put all of them blood sucking looneies on block.
2. Leave the system, leave no footprint, go underground, plan your escape its possible.
Im not going to let them take another cent from me till I die then I dont care less. I can understand how some guys want to do themselves in, I have thought about it also but then the blood suckers win.
I'm sure CSA Vultures read this Daily... catch me if you can, see you hell.
Now a Glorified member of Deadbeat Dads Inc not by choice but for survival. Wish I could have had read a forum like this when I was young, I would have got the snip at very young age.
Heres the weird thing I said to CSA ok ill work under and ABN and change my assesment , I was told I cant do that because if my income drops more than 15% I have to get a change of assesment. But the ex can quit work under an ABN be unemployed drop from $38000 to $0 . No questions asked
May be some one can help me get my head around this.
I came to Australia on a working visa, have payed CSA for my son who, is not an Australia and has never set foot in Australia.as has my EX, she receives payments from me via the central international unit. I questioned the legitimacy of my assessment as I originally thought they were collecting on behalf of the UK CSA on a reciprocal agreement however was told that this is no reciprocating but an Australian based assessment.
In April last year I received a letter from the CSA UK informing me that from that date I had no longer a maintenance agreement with them. I contacted them and was informed that this is correct and they could not answer in regards the Australian assessment. I duelly contacted the Australian team and forwarded them all the info and to conclude they said it had no reference to their assessment..
Go figure has any one else came across this farce of a system that appears to be constructed and utilised over morning tea sorry afternoon tea when you cannot get a hold of a case worker when you need them.
make sure you have all consent orders up to date and they state a no move clause in them if you dont have the orders go get them NOW without the consent orders she can move and then you will have to fight to make your x move back.Courts are ruling in the fathers side and 90% of the time they will make her stay. i tryed to move states with the kids my x said no court went in his favour
you also say you pay over $1,600 / month and you have them 35% of the time.
something is wrong with the CSA calculation or you must earn a sh1t load of money and she earns nothing ... so if you don't earn a shit load - then you need to have those numbers checked. you can work it out by pulling up the "Costs of Children" table.
Also, if she is earning next to nothing, you need to ask the Courts to consider things like how she can afford to move in the first place, why she'd move away from her, and the children's support network (being you), and
You do not need a lawyer(in my view) file a form 2 and you ex will have to file a response, in your form 2 seek an order that your ex be restrained from relocating pending subject to final orders, i take it that your kids are young and want to spend time with you. Contact CSA that you dispute. Its a fucked up ride i did it for 9yrs...i should have walked away...but as a father you will fight that is what we do ,,,some of us walk away some kill themselves and some end up alcoholics or drug addicts,,,or in jail...mate its a painful journey for any out come, me well i am hitting the roads of our great land good luck dom
Csa have no jurisdiction whatsoever regarding a forced sale of asset that is not 100% owned by the payer. Their role is not to serve the public, it is to scare the bejesus out of us. Dont buy into it. Stop paying your husbands liability
Immediately. The debt can be wiped. Mine was! I was aware that my provisional income was $112k orsome crazy number and i lodged all my tax returns LATE for the past 5 years with an average income of $40-$50k and all my debt was wiped. Yee ha!
Cheers thanks, Scott
I feel For every single 1 of u.
My children have been adopted by my fiancé.
THeir father did no pay child support EVER and CSA never chased him about it he also hid his Earnings and they didnt even look into it.
Seems as tho they pic and choose. I guess the bigger of a sob story the recieving parent gives the more they wanna help.
My ex still has outstanding debt from before the kids were legally adopted and they still dnt chase it.
He never wanted to see the kids and was happy to sign his rights away to them.
We asked the kids if they wanted the man who raised them (my fiancé) to be there dad and they said we already thought he was cos our dad has never been there.
Some women/men are disgusting at the fact they keep children from loving parents 😢 good luck to everyone
Failing that - Contact the ombudsman they can act quickly to remedy.
I just spoke to the CSA and the lady (always a lady ain't it?) said that if I wanted to change career and reduce my hours so that I could study, and my ex objected to the change of assessment, I would have to argue that the career change was in the best interests of my child in the longer term. However, she said that it was likely that I would have to keep paying my current amount (more than $900 a fortnight). However, this is just some lady's say so. I asked her if there was any chance of getting something like the ATO's private rulings and I discovered there is not. I wrote to my MP about this because it seems you have no certainty if you want to change your life. You just have to throw caution to the wind, hope for the best, and plan for the worst. Has anyone attempted a career change while paying CSA?
Also, I have booked some long service leave at half pay but I haven't told CSA yet. It doesn't start till February. The same thing applies. If she lodges an objection, I'm probably stuffed. Anyone with experience of that? I was thinking that perhaps I should see a doctor and get a stress note or something before applying for a change of assessment.
Finally, my ex went part time 2 days a week just before our son was born. However, he attends day care 3 days a week and he and my ex lives with her parents. If she wanted to object on a capacity to earn basis, could I do the same and expect a favourable result? Anyone had any experience with that?
Upon release he will get all sorts of paperwork - you send this to csa and they credit the amount charged for the time of incarceration but ONLY if he hasnt paid ie, the amount is outstanding. Dont pay it for him. How long til his release? Im sure you can notify them earlier but they wont do anything til they get the paperwork.
Q.1 How can they do this?
Q.2 Is they anything that can be done?
I have had 7 different case managers and always get told the same crap over and over..
I don't care about outstanding amounts i just want help when it comes to education fees etc.. i have friends(payee) who are being screwed over by CSA and i can't even get them to do a job properly. And wow over $400 a fortnight 😯 what the hell thats a obscene amount of money for anyone let alone for child support.
Thats horrible hopefully u can get them to tell u where that sort of money is used.. thats ridiculous, that would pay for a child 100% of all needs 😕
This is what i dont understand.
CSA has taken over half my pay before i get paid. So how can they not take wages from your ex.? They expect me to pay 480 a fortnight. Which i find way to much. But if i dont pay it they take it out of my wages.
My ex left and wants nothing to do with his child because he has a "new family" lady with 1 child, she and he both work fulltime, she only has every 2nd weekend with child.. her choice, i work part time and am not re partnered our daughter goes to kinder next year... i pay $230 a week just in rent no including bills etc.. he hasn't paid child support ever and i am getting screwed around by CSA in trying to collect... i dnt want the massive 4 year outstanding bill just want him to start paying especially now she has education cost coming up.. i know this probably isnt the right place to ask but it looks like most of u have been dealing with them for a while... he is only suppose to pay $245 a month which isnt very much really.. i spend that in 10 days on her food and basic needs.. can anyone help me