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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

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lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Suzy from NSW, Australia on April 11, 2016 @ 12:49 pm
    Dear men, I am "woman" This system is not against men, it is against those that work hard and earn money....It does not discriminate to Gender. As a woman I have endured the reverse. For 16 years. I have always worked full time / part time, I paid all the relative bills for and worked during pregnancy, straight after birth and mortgage. When separation occurred ( I was a little tired of paying / doing everything) I had full custody, BUT my sons father was allowed to see him take him as often as he liked...he just didn't/ chose not to. He didn't lodge any tax returns for 15 years So they assessed his child support payments on the last return being $11,316 for the year when in fact he was earning $72,000 per year. He eventually lodged his tax returns in 2008, they showed that he should have been paying me $610 per month, not the $11.83 per month he was documented as paying...I did nothing, because in the best interest of "The Child" I preserved with trying to push him to have a relationship with his child " I gave the option, pay me nothing please just spend more time with your son" He still didn't, he only saw my son 1 night a fortnight if that.. When he lodged his tax returns although it showed that on paper he had short payed me $42,000 for the previous 10 years, CSA advised that they do not collect money back that far...I asked the question as by this stage because our child was older I had now been able to return to work a full 40 hours a week I was now earning $50,000 per year instead of the $30,000 I was when my son was a toddler and I had 100% care. Again, I left it...Now years later my child is 16 and employed full time and I am earning $100,000...Due to his father living closer to his place of son now resides with his father 10 nights a fortnight and 4 nights with me. His father now just lodged a claim with CSA for me to pay him child support of $238 per week...Consequently I will be having my some 4 times as often than he ever did and in the next 20 months until he is 18 I will have paid his father more child support over 20 months than he paid me over 16 years. This is all because I did not " Dispute" the 'System" in the previous years and did what I thought was in the best interests of " The child" Plus he has my son employed and earning a minimum of $22,000 per year.
    1150. By: fred from wa, aus on April 10, 2016 @ 8:20 pm
    If those dealing with the C@%T Support Agency don't unite there will not be change. That is a fact. Im happy to sit in jail. The more that choose jail the more it will cost this f@$%êd up government. They will eventually take note as it will start to cost them. I'd rather sit in jail doing nothing and getting nothing instead of working and getting pocket money why a lazy b@#$$ sits at home. I will sit there with a smile on my face knowing that it is costing this f@#$$$ government a fortune to keep me there.
    By: Mike from Vic, Aust on April 8, 2016 @ 9:18 pm
    Sorry Dave but the CSA has bi-partisan support, why? Because at the end of the day it's not about "the best interest of the child" it's about the best interest of the government I.e, the more the non custodial parent pays the less the govt. pays in benifits. No politician will run a campaign supporting men in CSA matters because if they lose the female vote they won't have a job any longer.

    Nothing will ever change for those of us already in forced servitude, after 10 years of fighting and losing on all fronts I take every opportunity to try and inform the up and coming victims of this draconian system about all the pitfalls they face and the high percentage that they too, will be where we are today.

    If they listen, great, if not, at least I tried and their situation is on them, unlike me I was not informed. If I could go back and start over with this knowledge I would never have children. Not because I didn't won't them or love my children, but the physiological, emotional and financial destruction this country and system imposes on men is just not worth it. Hindsight huh

    We all need to inform young men of what they face so they can make an informed decision about running the gauntlet of forced servitude.
    I always refer to a movie called War Games where the hacker gets the computer to play itself in tic tac toe and nuclear warfare, its final summary is "the only winning move is not to play". Things may only change if men refuse to have children.

    A mate tells me ALL woman have the c&@t gene in them and it only takes the right thing to set it off, and for many many women that's losing 100% custody and 100% of the money that goes with it.

    I state quite clearly, Men, do NOT run our risk by having children until things change.

    I personally will see out my servitude in about 3 1/2 years and then leave this arsehole of a country/system taking my money and the pension money to another country. This will be my revenge, Its not much but I know the govt. hate it when Australian dollars are not reinvested back into the Aust. Economy.

    Fk this whole system/place and those arseholes that screw us over and say it's not me I'm just doing my job.
    By: Dave from Nt, Australia on April 8, 2016 @ 8:03 pm
    I have tried to use the family court system to gain more custody of my children , my eldest even wanted this arrangement . I initiated the proceedings but after four hours of negotiations came out of that realising just how completely us men have absolutely no chance against this system , they are fully for the woman . So unless she agrees to the change of percentage of care I advise to not waste your time in the family dispute ( mediation ) sessions . The next step after this is the family court , your looking at around 10000 to 15000 grand for this , and it will only come down to the judges opinion anyway , game of chance really !!!
    I hate the CSA and the whole system , they are so against men , we have no rights at all . I have the kids interest at heart but the system makes me pay so much , it really is unfair . I feel for everyone else on here , your stories only make me realise how us men are now victimised in this modern brave new world society . It has gone crazy with with an in balance of justice against men .
    So I sit here contemplating my next move only to come to the conclusion there is none , And people wonder why men get so mad, if you don't understand that last comment it is because you have never being involved with a ex that is vintidicative and the CSA which is a tool to destroy men .
    I want to tear down this whole unfair system , please tell me if their are any political parties who want to change the CSA
    By: Rob from WA, Australia on April 8, 2016 @ 3:33 am
    Well Jimmy dont feel lonsome mate as you and i in the same boat!! only i moved to the USA to work as the mining game is down at home and the US has a reciprocal agreement so im still getting stung big time. and yes im being assessed on anincome thet includes a redundancy payment after which i had no work for 9 months..
    As for your comments Fred in regards to the one sided FOI thing, yep. same boat. "we will send an unedited copy to your ex" and we will tell you the results after she has commented(but wont tell you what the comments were!!
    By: Jimmy from Queensland, Australia on April 7, 2016 @ 10:04 pm
    Well guys that is me finished my AAT hearing after a long and painful 8 months.

    And guess what, as usual with this one sided country/government.

    I have done my tax return, lodged signed off with the ATO at 29K however my income is fixed at 193K so I have to pay my ex $3200 per month. Which is just impossible as I don't have the job I had years ago while working in the oil and gas industry.

    Lucky enough I was warned that a 2nd DPO would be put on me so I left the country 9 months ago and moved to Thailand where I am living as it far cheaper to live while unemployed. I owe the government 30K after paying them 30K previous to get the DPO taken of me so I could leave. Which was paid by may parents.

    All I can say is good luck to you men out there. I really wish use all the best Australia is FKD and so one sided it is not even funny. I really wish I new the location of these CSA case officers as I would come back and gladly meet them and for us men.

    By: fred from wa, Aus on April 7, 2016 @ 9:21 pm

    Your assessor spoke to the mother by telephone to obtain information in relation to my objection to your assessment.

    I requested a copy of that call under the FOI act

    Your response:
    “FOI requests, such that third party protected information cannot be disclosed by the department, even when that information concerns an applicant or could reasonably be assumed to be known to an applicant.”

    Your letter dated 16 November 2015
    “Any subsequent information or documents you provide will be sent to Jane (changed) for their consideration for their response”

    Based on the above it would appear that your letter dated 16 November is either misleading or a complete lie because there is no open process. The letter talks about information and that would include telephone information. All information. Perhaps information is only sent to the mother and not the father to prevent the mothers submissions from being challenged.

    That wouldn’t be very fair would it. Explain the above Campbell?

    Why do you allow her to produce secret information which is kept from the father so it cannot be challenged.

    You FOI response also states
    The general prohibition on the communication of third party 'protected information' in section 150(2)(b) of the Assessment Act and section 16(2)(b) of the Registration and Collection Act are subject to specific exceptions provided by section 150 and section 16 of those respective Acts. The exceptions relate to the following:
    • correcting mistakes of fact that risk the integrity of the administration; .............

    I need to hear this evidence so that I can correct this mistake of facts made by your administration
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 7, 2016 @ 8:25 pm
    Why weren't more printed off so that the staff in that building can take them home and frame it.

    Please can you deliver a hundred copies to me. you have my address. I know just how to put your face to use.
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 7, 2016 @ 8:17 pm

    Please see attached image of an A4 size picture of your face.

    This image along with the Honorary Minister is on the entrance to a government building.

    Why are you putting your face on the wall. Is that really necessary. Is your department paying for it and if so why is your department wasting tax payers money printing out your face?

    What is the purpose of that Campbell?

    By: Rob from WA, Australia on April 6, 2016 @ 12:19 am
    Robin, the criteria is 52 -110 days and yes i meet it and all are overnight stays. I have been doing this for the past 3-4 years. Ive since found out that maybe its not the Ex wife making these comments but the CSA themselves, they seem to be playing us off against each other. Even more ammunition for me to go after them. Ive asked for FOI all phone call transcrips and all messages for the past 18 months as i know whats been said it it seems to be getting turned around when they speak to the other party
    By: robin from nsw, australia on April 5, 2016 @ 10:08 am
    rob from wa
    you need more than 110 days a year with half of those over nights you state you get 52 days up that to 110 days and you will meet the care % with csa and payments will drop to match it
    1140. By: Rob from WA, Australia on April 5, 2016 @ 8:03 am
    Hi, well i see im not alone in this "war" with the CSA! It seems that past history, proven travel plans and whatever other information i furnish to the CSA is simple dismissed with a phone call to the ex who says "no" nd next thing im paying the 100% rate plus the $5000 a time for my son to come and visit me as ive just moved to the USA for work. Even though as far as im concerned nothing has changed my son will still visit me as he has done for the past 3-4 years for more than the 52 days mandated by the CSA as partial care. Now to add insult to this if i pay the 100% rate based on a phone call to the ex and my son does in fact visit me as per normal then why is there no deduction or prorated payments for the future? this is what i call an "over payment" and under the current rulings by the CSA is deemed a "too bad too sad" and i lose both ways yet if i under pay you are on my case in miliseconds and threaten fines, bank deductions etc etc(never have undedrpaid in my life even before the CSA were collecting)
    All of this harrassment by the CSA is killing me and its impossible to fight yet if my ex makes a squeak about something you jump on me like a ton of bricks.
    Why is this so? im no dead beat dad, im no loser, im nothing but a caring and loving father yet feel like a criminal and worse still get treated like one(and an ATM to boot)

    Ivejust read through some of your posts Deon, sounds very familiar to me. As soon as the CSA got involved(invited or inflicted)to collect instead of the private agreementi had my life turned to Sh*t. I too have had the phone calls demanding they speak to me at whatever time or place i find myself. I have been ill advised by the CSA several times causing finacial grief follwed by mental anguish. and yes, i too am now clinically depressed due to this departments biased unfair ways.

    By: fred from wa, aus on April 4, 2016 @ 1:07 am

    92 percent of those receiving child support are woman. That is a fact. The family court of injustice is the starting point of this and sets the stage for the child support agency. The CSA continues this discrimination.

    This is not about poor me, Its not all about me. its about all the other men out there that have to deal with this discrimination. This is about a system that is grossly discriminatory and must change.

    You unfortunately have somehow failed to capitalise on a system that is horribly in your favour. It sound like you have the children and had the opportunity to profit with the CSA. My ex is constantly contravening the order hence the court appearances. Remember there is cause and effect. If you cause dramas there is going to be an effect. If he is taking you to court perhaps you need to look at yourself and ask the question if you are doing the right thing.

    My ex was well and truly denigrating the father to the extent that my child would burst into tear when I went to pick her up. The female magistrate didn't want to know. My child is older now and is able to make her own mind up and now comes to me with a smile. I cannot comment on you storey because I don't know you but you cannot deny that many woman play the victim card to screw their ex partners over.

    I have sat outside the family court on many occasions. I practically live there and I have listened to lawyers talking to their female client leading them to say the father is violent and prompting them to seek a restraining order which ultimately would affect visitation rights for the father.

    My ex tried a similar thing claiming she was fearful because I was 6foot4 and had made threatening gestures. what a load of BS
    she didn't succeed on that one and gave up when she saw she wasn't getting anywhere with it. Ultimately it was me that sort a restraining order to stop the verbal abuse she and her relatives were dishing out. The reason why she was dishing it out was in the hope that I would knock her teeth out. Didn't happen. I showed restrain and eventually took it to the magistrates court which have a fairer system than the family court of injustice. If I had reacted to the provocation my child wouldn't have a father in her life. I guarantee the courts would have seen to that and that was her motive. During her last such episode I called 131444 and informed them of the situation and requested the police to be sent out. So sad luck sweet heart that one didn't work for you

    The CSA are not only trying to cover their ass. I am sure they don't like these emails that I am sending them. If they paint me as unstable, hence the police I may loose my child. That would be a nice way to get back at me.

    This agency and this system must be shut down. I have never had to face a system that has treated me in such a blatantly biased fashion and I will not be silenced.

    By: donna from victoria, australia on April 3, 2016 @ 7:16 pm
    This goes 2 ways. My husband sexually assaulted and raped my for 10 years. I hid it. I kept waiting for it to get better. When i finally left, i had severe post-traumatic stress. I couldnt even have a shower, get dressed, or add 2 numbers together.
    Even though i was getting treatment for abuse years before i left, the husband claimed i made it up due to divorce.

    Even though i had evidence of him having a porn addiction and a sex disorder, my barrister said if i got on the stand with PTSD that i could lose my kids - even though specialists said i was the healthy parent.

    Years later i have spent $150k in court, including fighting a false recovery order fir moving house and him trying to move the kids school which is in a high crime area because it was convenient for him. turns out he has raped my 8 year old neice. And im back in court to ask fir supervised visits.

    The kids love their father and all i want is that the relationship is safe. I signed away my child support rights.... so nothing financial csn be gained. So im back paying more legal fees.

    You wsnt to know what he is saying? That i got my neice to say it. Who in gods earth would do that?

    Si stop saying poor me. Because im a woman and i can say the same. Raped, neice raped.. no direct child support...still trying to ensure my kids see their dad...and he still keeps legally attacking me. He wont he happy until im dead. I fear many days that he may get his wiah.

    So stop complaining. Its not 'poor men'...its poor all of us who suffer from the actions of others who dont put kids first.
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 2, 2016 @ 1:54 am
    The AAT state a person can be imprisoned for up to 12 months for disclosing what goes on there.

    That is fine by me
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 2, 2016 @ 12:41 am

    Police came knocking at my door tonight. They wanted to discuss me wanting to go to jail.

    I told them about a lazy ex partner that didn't want to work was sitting at home and laughing at me because she knows she can use your agency to cause harm. They were told that you have a responsible father that is working, caring for his child
    and wanting to care for his child.

    They were also told that that if you agency continues with your threats and harassment that I was quite happy to go to jail.
    By: fred from wa, Aus on April 1, 2016 @ 10:34 pm

    I called my local police station to enquire about crimes that one could commit that would give a fairly short stay in prison so I could check in and out.

    They were not very helpful and I was advised that no policeman would assist me in committing a crime.

    Will have to research it further
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 1, 2016 @ 10:09 pm
    Brick can be broken and bricks crumble with time
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 1, 2016 @ 10:08 pm
    Here is another thought for you Campbell. You send your police men around to my work to "stop me killing myself".

    If I kill myself I am free from your agency and the pain you are causing am I not.

    Why are you trying to prevent this. Do you want to prolong the torture or is it to ease your mind or avoid a law suit.

    If it is to ease you mind remember this. death is better than the torture your agency dishes out.

    Something else for you to think about. Do you really think they would be able to stop it. If you do you are not so smart.
    If you don't then why send them.

    The only way to stop a suicide if to drug someone up to the extent that they are in a complete stupor. You wont be doing them any favour by doing that.

    Shut your agency down or sort it out.

    By: fred from wa, aus on April 1, 2016 @ 9:50 pm

    I received you email dated 30/3/2016.

    In relation to the first to paragraphs of the Change of assessment decision. Your description of events doesn’t match my recollection. When the CD of the conversation arrives I will comment further

    This nonsense of if you don’t agree with the decision go to the AAT. Why are you saying this when you have already acknowledged in this very same letter that you are aware that I have already done that. Can you not see how stupid it is spitting out rubbish that isn’t applicable and is irrelevant. Why, Why do you and others in your agency spit out rubbish. Do you think about what you are saying?

    You state “discussed the concept of a rebuttable presumption” I initially interpreted this incorrectly and I apologise” You were telling me that the onus is on me to prove it not the mother.
    Why were you telling me incorrect information? I want an answer on this one. Explain why?
    I want to get an understanding on why and how you stuffed up. Also explain to me why the CSA continues to make so many bloody errors in favour of the mother.

    In relation to the payments. You claim that “To date we have not received your payment for February 2016 due by 7 March 2016.” .
    Seriously I am shocked. Payment were made on the 25 January, 25 February, 29 March, what have you done with my money?

    I am paying you the correct amount for child support which excludes the additional amount that you have placed on top of it for that lazy dole bludger to sit at home and do F... all. She must get a bloody job.
    There is nothing wrong with her, she is capable of working, there are plenty of jobs out there in her field of work and my child is in school during the day, so there is bugger all need for her to care for my child during the day. Why is your agency supporting this irresponsible behaviour?

    Take my salary and I will be happy to go to prison. You, your agency, and the mother can explain to my child why she is worse off financial and why she doesn’t have a father in her life. I will explain to my child that her father was a brave man that couldn’t bring himself to live as a slave in a system that was cruel and discriminatory. I will tell my child that her mother was and is lazy louse that chose to take the piss and use an unjust system to harm her father.

    You have asked me to contact you in this letter. I want you to communicate with me through the f4joz website. I want this to be in the open. I believe this is something that needs to be in the public domain as it is in the public interest.

    By: Lostinspace from Vict, Australia on April 1, 2016 @ 2:52 pm
    when we learn to change our perception of these corps and agents we will come to see a brick is but a brick, we won't expect anything different. Expectation is a bitch until we get it under control.
    1130. By: Karl from vic, australia on April 1, 2016 @ 7:58 am
    politicians like the so called campbell's of the world are just there to fool the public and be sensationalised by mainstream media in order to propagate the propaganda and brainwashing that's occurred since birth. They are brainless puppet's, so called elected representatives which essentially provides our masters with psuedo legal consent (on behalf of us swine) to pass legislation written and orchestrated by others (out of the spotlight) to control us, steal our energy and wealth. They are not there for the benefit of us like we have been led to believe. It's all a hoax, a bad nightmare from which we must all awake if we are to take back our true freedom! These pollies, who don't speak the real truth, get well looked after in every respect for perpetuating the illusion and keeping us all in the dark, or as slaves some may say. Call them what you will, Kathryn Campbell or Jack the Ripper, they are all fall guys and spokes people babbling rhetoric while they quietly smile and chuckle. On the wages and perks they receive and game they get to play, who wouldn't. But soon there will be another cardboad cutout, then another, John Brown, Mary Winter, whoever. They are not paid to care, just keep the show going for their master's self interests and their own. They are insulated. One could say it's a sick joke if it wasn't so serious as I for one don't like being lied to and deceived, so I can relate to fred's frustration below. As Mark's link below shows, these people live in another world to us. "480 elite public servants" what the hell does elite mean in this context? "senior staff needed to be near the seat of power." What seat and what power and for whose benefit? Secrets, trickery, deception and more secrets. Blahh damn rubbish and tiring, all of it, what a racket. I'm goin fishin.
    By: mark from act, Australia-England on March 31, 2016 @ 6:07 pm
    Centrelink boss Kathryn Campbell keeps three offices despite cutbacks

    old news but thats her
    By: robin from nsw, australia on March 31, 2016 @ 8:15 am
    Whos Campbell that you keep talking about Im confused just asking thats all
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 6:37 pm
    Police have come and gone Campbell. Didn't go to the funny farm. I'm still here to keep asking you questions Campbell and I will continue to do so until you shut your one sided agency down.

    Is that the sum total of you duty of care. The police officer told me "we see this all the time" and yet your agency is allowed to continue
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 5:49 pm
    What is the matter Campbell don't you like people speaking out openly about the damage your agency is causing.

    Don't your like people telling you what is going through their heads.

    Still waiting for the cops to arrive
    By: fred from wa, Aus on March 30, 2016 @ 5:28 pm

    Your police went to the wrong address.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 1:57 pm

    I called the police to put in a welfare concern for you because you are not answering my calls. I have concerns for you Campbell.

    The police however don't care about you.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 12:52 pm

    I received a welfare call from the police.

    This isn't about my welfare is it Campbell. I tried to call you and the minister this morning and to ask you to explain yourselves.

    I also indicated to the person that you were causing me a tremendous amount of stress. I asked if you were going to compensate me for this stress that you have caused.

    It was also mentioned that I was considering legal action against your agency.

    This welfare call was not for my benefit it was to cover your ass against any possible legal action. Am I right Campbell.

    You didn't provide the sergeant with any specifics as to the content of the emails or the conversation. I told him to get the facts first then to call me back. Then I put the phone down.

    I also asked the sergeant if he could remove the cause of the anxiety and like you councillors the answer was no.

    Your organisation must be shut down
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 12:13 pm

    To assist your agency to operate in the way it does. Here is something else for the mothers that want to stuff their ex partners around.

    When you resign and claim caring your ex partner might say "hang on there was no need for her to resign because there were alternatives to the care so she didn't need to resign."

    If that is the case you needn't worry your pretty little heads over it because the CSA will create a reason for you. Reasons such as "The department is unable to make decisions about care arrangements" This, although totally unrelated, will be used by the agency to dismiss the fathers evidence for you.

    Is this correct Campbell is this the way your agency operate because this statement is what I got from your agents. This isn't the first time you agents have dismissed my evidence is it. You claim you are unbiased explain this to me. Explain to me how denying the father the opportunity to produce evidence is not biased. Explain to me how dismissing important evidence as show above is not biased. Help me out Campbell I trying to get an understanding on this because from where I'm standing it looks very biased.

    To those mothers out there you resign at your own risk. Change will occur within this agency.

    I will not stop until your agency is shut down

    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 12:52 am

    I have had issue with this agency calling me at work. I work with electricity, at heights and on rotating machinery. After calls from this agency I was not in the right state of mind and if I stuffed up I would be a danger to myself, my work colleagues and members of the public.

    I believe that under the work place OH&S laws all employee have a duty of care to themselves, their co workers and the members of the public. I believe CSA workers are also bound by this law.

    If the CSA workers are inflicting undue stress on people I believe they are acting illegally. It is bullying in the workplace. Even if you are a member of the public not at work I don't believe they can bully and harass you from their work place.

    I will be lodging a complaint against this behaviour with the relevant OH&S agencies. It will be general in nature as I don't have access to other peoples files or circumstances. I have on numerous occasions been left me in a state of sever anxiety after communicating with this agency. If they are doing this to me they are doing it to others

    If they have unduly harassed and threatened you another option to explore in the small claims court. It is in the magistrates court and unlike the family court of injustice you may be able to get so justice with minimal risk

    This is an option that I am looking at. It is not right for an organisation to come into peoples lives and cause this amount of grief.

    Those that die from suicide are not the only victims. their family, friends and colleagues become victims of this agency to
    1120. By: fred from wa, aus on March 29, 2016 @ 11:58 pm

    I looked at large concrete pillars on freeways. The bastards at main roads put crash barriers next to them. Hard getting a good solid hit at 200km per hour with those in place. If I was going to do it I wanted to do it right. No half measures.

    Carbon monoxide, doesn't always work. Nice but not a sure method. I do work on a number of tall government buildings with access to the roofs. I have looked over the edge and had a good long think. Yes main roads one of them is your buildings.

    This agency is such a shambles it is beyond a joke. Campbell your agency is destroying lives. How the f... do you justify that.

    Kylie fight the bastards. It is time consuming but the only way to force change is in numbers and to take on this callous government.

    By: fred from wa, aus on March 29, 2016 @ 11:43 pm

    Your case manager said to me if she wanted the money why didn’t she ask for a change of assessment straight away why did she wait after resigning.
    The answer is on your website Campbell. You are telling them how to nullify the legislation Campbell.
    For those woman that are too thick to understand the website I will explain it to you in simpler terms.
    All you have to do to fuck your ex partner over is resign from your job. Do not go and ask for a change of assessment as this won’t allow you to use point 3 of reason 8.
    When the automatic assessment comes through at the end of the year then you can demand the money as has my ex partner.
    The gender discriminatory child support agency will at their “discretion” dismiss the application saying if money was her motivation she would have asked for it sooner. The CSA will effectively nullify that part of legislation for you. You don’t need a “rebuttable” excuse not with the agency on your side.

    For all of those woman out there that is how you do it. Quit, then claim caring and wait for the CSA to make a “fair unbiased” assessment at the end of the year.

    Continue this argument for a couple of years then claim you are unable to get employment because you have been out of the work force for a number of years and the CSA will allow you to continue to screw your ex partner over. Yes that is on their website to.

    Who are you kidding Campbell.

    By: Kylie oconnor from ACT, Australia on March 29, 2016 @ 10:05 pm
    Fred i agree.
    Around xmas i had a heartless bitch of a case worker. She wasnt satified with my hard ship form . Knocked it back. I pay 1/3 of my wage.
    After that phone call i was suicidal.
    Who ever said they cant make you pay....they can law they can take it out of your wage. Bastards
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 29, 2016 @ 9:15 pm

    How many men has your agency caused to commit suicide over this month?

    For this month how many men dealing with your agency have killed themselves?

    How many men have developed mental health problems as a result of dealing with you agency.

    How many children have been harmed mentally because they have lost a father either through suicide or through the father developing a mental illness.

    How many children are in a less favourable financial position because of the fathers inability to continue working because of CSA stress induced mental illness. I’m in that position Campbell. I am in that position Campbell thanks to your f...ed agency. I’m doing my best to keep working for my child’s sake but through your agencies f...ed up involvement I cannot see that continuing.

    These are not rhetorical questions. I want answers to this. I believe your agency is killing and harming more men and children than the terrorists in Europe. I find it bizarre that this can continue in this supposedly civilised country and no one says a word and you and your agency are allowed to continue

    How does it feel knowing you are causing me this amount of anxiety and stress. I don’t believe you care Campbell and neither do you Prime Minister. Am I correct. It just all about votes isn’t it?
    You stuff up my life and others and you couldn’t give a damn am I right?.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 29, 2016 @ 8:27 pm

    I called and spoke to my case manager today.

    There was no verification of my identity. Why not? What does the law say in relation to this and my privacy?

    This new case manager has apparently taken over because of work load distribution. What too much work for the other one.

    Campbell why is he telling me that the onus is on me to prove the mother quite to increase her payments. The onus is on her. Why am I quoting the law to him. Why is he telling me this garbage Campbell. Doesn’t he know what is going on or is he trying to BS me?

    He talks about $30 extra per week as insignificant. It is actually close to $1700 per year. If that is insignificant then he can pull that money out his ass and pay it to that bulger himself.

    I asked him specific questions in relation to the objection assessment and he was evasive and deliberately avoided or refused to answer many of them .

    Your agency doesn’t like answering questions does it. Very closed and secretive. Your agency doesn’t like people looking at them and the way they conducts themselves. Is that an accurate assessment? Am I right Campbell. Some would say that is rather shady Campbell.

    Your assessor dismissed my objection (reason 8 point 3) based on the mothers claiming that she had caring responsibilities. Remember the onus is on the mother to prove she wasn’t motivated by money, not me. Apart from saying caring responsibilities she hasn’t provided any proof to suggest otherwise. Your assessor has also not provided a reason apart using the standard CSA line of “I am satisfied”. How did you become satisfied assessor, explain yourself because you certainly haven’t in your assessment.

    Regarding my FOI request about the number of woman working for the CSA. You are trying to muddy the water by saying they serve multiply departments i.e Medicare, centreline etc. I want to know how many woman and men work for or have anything to do with the CSA. You can and will provide that information. its not hard. This information is important.
    By: johnsie from qlder, ozzie on March 28, 2016 @ 7:20 pm
    Fuck mike sounds like these bastards locked you out of your son's life. He's gona be pissed when he gets older. You've probably brainstormed all the options too i bet,, but as a thought write letters to your son as if he could read them now and as if you were talking to him, even leaving them with a trusted 3rd party, if there is one. This may help you emotionally now as I know your probably livered and all over the place, what a head fuck. It will also help your son understand later in life that you didn't abandon him and you loved him very much. I know from experience if men don't do things like this, there is a good chance kids may not wanna know their old man later on as there is no evidence of care and concern..
    By: mike from Victoria, Australia on March 27, 2016 @ 7:29 pm
    No Johnsie. If i go to florida i will be arrested for being in contempt of court due to me not being able to pay $1700 a month child support while unemployed. My ex filed in a florida court and they would not allow me to testify or rebuke her claims telephonically. I wont ever see him again until he turns 18 or she becomes deceased
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 27, 2016 @ 11:30 am
    The Australian government is killing an injuring more people here than the terrorists in Europe.

    The media promotes this terrorist fear but they fail to report on the government killings in this country.

    You have more to fear from this government than you do from terrorists.
    By: Adrian from Vic, Australia on March 27, 2016 @ 12:33 am
    They can't make me pay and I don't
    By: johnsie from qld, oz on March 25, 2016 @ 11:02 pm
    @Mike, can you see yourself spending a month in the US, say on holiday with your son. This should defeat any contempt allegations and as your son grows older and the bond develops, he can make his choice of where to go.
    1110. By: mike from Vic, Australia on March 25, 2016 @ 7:26 pm
    Your right NBM i cant be jailed in australia. But i can and will be jailed in florida if i go to collect my son and bring him to Australia for one month a year as it my custodial and parental right. My ex does not want him coming here and the best way to do that is have me in contempt of court in florida. The only way ill ever see my son again is when he turns 18 or she dies
    By: Paul from Sydney NSW, Australia on March 24, 2016 @ 3:56 pm
    National suicide toll reaches tragic high
    2864 suicides. Almost 8 per day. 1 every 3 hours.

    Australia is facing a growing national suicide emergency with Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) data released today showing that 2864 people took their own lives in 2014 – an increase of almost 13.5 per cent from 2013.

    Among people 15-44 years of age, the leading cause of death is suicide, followed by accidental poisonings and land transport accidents.

    Suicide is the leading cause of premature mortality in Australia, occurring at a rate of 12.0 deaths per 100,000 people in 2014. This is the highest rate of suicide deaths recorded in the past 10 years, with previous rates ranging from 10.2 to 11.2 deaths per 100,000 people.

    "We understand that factors contributing to suicide and many other causes of death are complex, and we are actively working to expand the range of information to assist research in these areas," said Mr Eynstone-Hinkins.

    Fk these cocheads have got to start pointing the finger to the root cause and that would be CSA.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 24, 2016 @ 1:46 am
    Prime Minister

    Why are these clowns playing games. As head of this organisation why are you allowing these people to play games.

    CSA FOI Department

    Where is my FOI request
    Enough playing games.

    Under the FOI Act I requested the total number of female employees in the child support agency.
    I also requested the total number of male employees on the 19/1/16 and on numerous other dates.
    You have failed to respond. I will now put in a complaint with OAIC and the ombudsman.

    I am not going away you will give me those figures so stop trying to hide them and mess me around. Stop playing games.

    By: fred from wa, aus on March 24, 2016 @ 1:40 am

    I asked them the same question about jail. Their response was as follows

    "In some circumstances child support may not be payable depending on the incarcerated parents financial circumstances and income. Child support may not be payable if the required applications have been made by the incarcerated parent. The parent would need to lodge and estimate of income, then make applications for the fixed annual rate and Minimum Annual rate not to apply. If the parent does not update their income upon incarceration they may continue to be assessed on the previous financial years income and incur arrears."

    I will never be a slave to these bastards. I will be happy to sit in jail and not have to deal with these f...s. Carry on pushing CSA and we will see what happens.

    Yeah Australia fair alright.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 24, 2016 @ 1:24 am

    Bombard the bastards with emails. Every father needs to stand up to these C...s. Fight them. The more emails they get the less efficient they become. demand answers before you respond to theirs. Screw them. Go to your local MP and demand he or she takes action. Annoy the F.... out of them. Be in their face let them know enough is enough. Don't expect other to do it everyone must get involved. Turn bull wants to hear from you send him emails. lots of them. It election time.
    By: Lyndon from qld, Aus on March 22, 2016 @ 11:30 pm
    They threatened me once with jail but I knew well that I couldn't be jailed ,so I asked if I went to jail then my income would be zero and while in jail would that wipe my debt? , the silence on the end of the phone was deafening . I also made the suggestion if they wanted to jail me that I would need plenty of notice as I would use some holiday leave while inside . Finally as I have 50/50 care who was going to look after my children . They hung up !
    By: Deon from wa, Australia on March 22, 2016 @ 9:20 pm
    As i have stated before i have been constantly bullied and financialy raped by child support with ridiculous estimates 180,000 over actual earnings of 76,000 a year but it seems CSA has no accountability for these circumstances only under your own cost of attaining a lawyer to do so, to make them look at it.These scum of the modern so called democracy are taking fathers, purpose, dignity and ability to be fathers to there own children and if you have been doing the right thing you are a easy target. I understand that there are mothers also in the same position but predominately it is the fathers killing themselves, why is it the media is so fast to report a suicide but NEVER reports on the true events leading to a father taking his own life leaving fatherless children and self destructing a childs values and learning outcomes a father can provide. CSA you are nothing but rats hiding and running behind legislation, you take someones purpose and ability to be a father you take their life, and at times seem to be proud of this power you have over the family institution. Surely by numbers this could be taken to a federal level to expose the wrongs of this low life organization. Its a pity no media has the balls to take these stories on, proving the government has truly suppressed free speech, we are now a policed state, democracy and fairness is dead. CSA proudly killing Australian fathers, taking there purpose, dignity and ability to be fathers!!!!!!!!! . I now get threats from the ATO every tax time since CSA become involved, yet 18 years prior never once had one letter from them. WE NEED ACTION IN NUMBERS FOR FEDERAL INVOLVEMENT is there a lawyer out there who cares enough to stand for what is completely unfair to the honest, caring fathers out there that can no longer feed themselves let alone help there children outside of the CSA's grasp. I have been living on sandwitches now for months, taken to court for water bills and general amenities yet they continue to harass and bully me almost daily, any small amount of change i get they want it, careless pieces of crap, how could anybody with a conscience work for such an organization, i think that just answered itself. They are liars, cheats and bullies behind the wall of legislation, like to see them on the street they would all be burnt on a cross.
    By: fred from wa, AUS on March 22, 2016 @ 9:16 pm

    I received part and only part of my FOI request today. The letter that came with the audio CD had the following statement:

    “Please note that you do not have permission to release the contents of any call recordings to any other parties”

    Explain to me why we have these restrictions on telephone recording Campbell because I’m not too smart.

    Does that mean that your agents are afforded greater protection when they say the wrong thing and I cannot use that against them.

    If that is the case is it not better to advise all your customers not to communicate with you via telephone and to request everything in writing.

    I need a detailed explanation on this Campbell.

    By: fred from wa, aus on March 22, 2016 @ 9:04 pm

    I was told the objection process is an “Open” process.

    Your assessor contacted the other party just prior to his decision.

    I want to hear that conversation. If you tell me no then you don’t have an open process and your organisation is operating in a shady manner.

    I received your email today in regards to that FOI request. Yes you have 30 days to decide on that FOI request. It’s not that hard. Don’t be late.

    That was one of my FOI requests Campbell. Where is the other one which was sent on the 19/01/16. That one is well overdue why are you trying to hide the numbers Campbell.

    I want the numbers that were current on the day the request was made. How many woman work for the child support agency. How many man work there.

    I have had to put in a complaint before I can take it to the OAIC and the ombudsman. I have put in a complaint and as yet no response to my complaint.

    Be advised that you have been asked through numerous emails to provide the information which you have chosen to ignore. I believe those emails can already be regarded as a complaint even though the word hasn’t been used because they show clear dissatisfaction in your failure to respond.

    Why are you not providing that information Campbell. Why is Your agency hiding it?
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