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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
May be some one can help me get my head around this.
I came to Australia on a working visa, have payed CSA for my son who, is not an Australia and has never set foot in Australia.as has my EX, she receives payments from me via the central international unit. I questioned the legitimacy of my assessment as I originally thought they were collecting on behalf of the UK CSA on a reciprocal agreement however was told that this is no reciprocating but an Australian based assessment.
In April last year I received a letter from the CSA UK informing me that from that date I had no longer a maintenance agreement with them. I contacted them and was informed that this is correct and they could not answer in regards the Australian assessment. I duelly contacted the Australian team and forwarded them all the info and to conclude they said it had no reference to their assessment..
Go figure has any one else came across this farce of a system that appears to be constructed and utilised over morning tea sorry afternoon tea when you cannot get a hold of a case worker when you need them.
make sure you have all consent orders up to date and they state a no move clause in them if you dont have the orders go get them NOW without the consent orders she can move and then you will have to fight to make your x move back.Courts are ruling in the fathers side and 90% of the time they will make her stay. i tryed to move states with the kids my x said no court went in his favour
you also say you pay over $1,600 / month and you have them 35% of the time.
something is wrong with the CSA calculation or you must earn a sh1t load of money and she earns nothing ... so if you don't earn a shit load - then you need to have those numbers checked. you can work it out by pulling up the "Costs of Children" table.
Also, if she is earning next to nothing, you need to ask the Courts to consider things like how she can afford to move in the first place, why she'd move away from her, and the children's support network (being you), and
You do not need a lawyer(in my view) file a form 2 and you ex will have to file a response, in your form 2 seek an order that your ex be restrained from relocating pending subject to final orders, i take it that your kids are young and want to spend time with you. Contact CSA that you dispute. Its a fucked up ride i did it for 9yrs...i should have walked away...but as a father you will fight that is what we do ,,,some of us walk away some kill themselves and some end up alcoholics or drug addicts,,,or in jail...mate its a painful journey for any out come, me well i am hitting the roads of our great land good luck dom
Csa have no jurisdiction whatsoever regarding a forced sale of asset that is not 100% owned by the payer. Their role is not to serve the public, it is to scare the bejesus out of us. Dont buy into it. Stop paying your husbands liability
Immediately. The debt can be wiped. Mine was! I was aware that my provisional income was $112k orsome crazy number and i lodged all my tax returns LATE for the past 5 years with an average income of $40-$50k and all my debt was wiped. Yee ha!
Cheers thanks, Scott
I feel For every single 1 of u.
My children have been adopted by my fiancé.
THeir father did no pay child support EVER and CSA never chased him about it he also hid his Earnings and they didnt even look into it.
Seems as tho they pic and choose. I guess the bigger of a sob story the recieving parent gives the more they wanna help.
My ex still has outstanding debt from before the kids were legally adopted and they still dnt chase it.
He never wanted to see the kids and was happy to sign his rights away to them.
We asked the kids if they wanted the man who raised them (my fiancé) to be there dad and they said we already thought he was cos our dad has never been there.
Some women/men are disgusting at the fact they keep children from loving parents 😢 good luck to everyone
Failing that - Contact the ombudsman they can act quickly to remedy.
I just spoke to the CSA and the lady (always a lady ain't it?) said that if I wanted to change career and reduce my hours so that I could study, and my ex objected to the change of assessment, I would have to argue that the career change was in the best interests of my child in the longer term. However, she said that it was likely that I would have to keep paying my current amount (more than $900 a fortnight). However, this is just some lady's say so. I asked her if there was any chance of getting something like the ATO's private rulings and I discovered there is not. I wrote to my MP about this because it seems you have no certainty if you want to change your life. You just have to throw caution to the wind, hope for the best, and plan for the worst. Has anyone attempted a career change while paying CSA?
Also, I have booked some long service leave at half pay but I haven't told CSA yet. It doesn't start till February. The same thing applies. If she lodges an objection, I'm probably stuffed. Anyone with experience of that? I was thinking that perhaps I should see a doctor and get a stress note or something before applying for a change of assessment.
Finally, my ex went part time 2 days a week just before our son was born. However, he attends day care 3 days a week and he and my ex lives with her parents. If she wanted to object on a capacity to earn basis, could I do the same and expect a favourable result? Anyone had any experience with that?
Upon release he will get all sorts of paperwork - you send this to csa and they credit the amount charged for the time of incarceration but ONLY if he hasnt paid ie, the amount is outstanding. Dont pay it for him. How long til his release? Im sure you can notify them earlier but they wont do anything til they get the paperwork.
Q.1 How can they do this?
Q.2 Is they anything that can be done?
I have had 7 different case managers and always get told the same crap over and over..
I don't care about outstanding amounts i just want help when it comes to education fees etc.. i have friends(payee) who are being screwed over by CSA and i can't even get them to do a job properly. And wow over $400 a fortnight 😯 what the hell thats a obscene amount of money for anyone let alone for child support.
Thats horrible hopefully u can get them to tell u where that sort of money is used.. thats ridiculous, that would pay for a child 100% of all needs 😕
This is what i dont understand.
CSA has taken over half my pay before i get paid. So how can they not take wages from your ex.? They expect me to pay 480 a fortnight. Which i find way to much. But if i dont pay it they take it out of my wages.
My ex left and wants nothing to do with his child because he has a "new family" lady with 1 child, she and he both work fulltime, she only has every 2nd weekend with child.. her choice, i work part time and am not re partnered our daughter goes to kinder next year... i pay $230 a week just in rent no including bills etc.. he hasn't paid child support ever and i am getting screwed around by CSA in trying to collect... i dnt want the massive 4 year outstanding bill just want him to start paying especially now she has education cost coming up.. i know this probably isnt the right place to ask but it looks like most of u have been dealing with them for a while... he is only suppose to pay $245 a month which isnt very much really.. i spend that in 10 days on her food and basic needs.. can anyone help me
I am about to hear from the AAT to set up a hearing. Did you go in person or do it over the phone. Any advice how to go about the process. I have just handed in Finance Expenture dec.
My tax return was stolen by CSA and 33% my last pay of the year was garnished.
I recieved a letter from CSA on 31-12-15 telling me what they demand in new year Happy New Year
I struggled to pay rego, rent and food, in other words I am slowing going under water in a slow and painful way (going broke going to work).
2-01-16 Woke up this morning and have decided to be a deadbeat dad. Going give up work and move north live a tent and hunt and fish for food and enjoy some freedom.
Wish all of you people paying CSA the best of luck. Gone Fishing forever...
There were a lot of sales for the business which i tracked on the internet, so this made for interesting conversation to the Tribunal Member.
She reduces her income stating that she reinvests any commissions that she would normally earn to grow the business and keep it operating. So i ran the argument, on an analogy, that if i voluntarily reduce my income (super sacrifice, novate lease, etc etc) the CSA writes those amounts back in because I am "causing detriment to the children" by not having available all those monies that should be available.
it will be interesting to see if they apply the law in the same manner to a receiving parent who argued that she needed to invest in the business else it could not continue to operate.
If there are any Real Estate business operators out there who would talk to me quite openly about how and where a real estate operator might hide money, I would be very interested to chat. I just need to know where and how to direct the AAT / Court (if i object further) to investigate funds. The funds she says she collects in her business just do not seem to add up with what the sales figures would indicate. Hiding money??
Appreciate any help from any Real Estate operators / owners who are willing to chat openly (anonymously if you prefer away from this site).
The system is unfair to the paying parent. It is nuce to know that there are other women out there going thru the same thing. I am living of less than $100 a week because of the amount i have to pay my ex. And that is when i have a child with me. The system needs to change. I am being punished for doing the right thing and declaring everything. Now i wont be able to progress in anything for up to 10 yrs.( youngest is 8) i have had to start again whikebhe has a house full of furniture. I dont even have internet at home. I dont have foxtel. I dont have a home phone. All my wage goes to rent and csa. With a little left for food and his credit card that we put in my name 2 months before he wanted to split. Where is the justice?
My ex bought a new car went o/s. But when my son came to me last year his shoes were thread bare.
I wish that my ex had to prove that he needs an extra year of payments.
For me my ex get all the rights and i have all the responsibility.
I'm a mum and my ex took my kids, allienated them from me and basically the court wasn't interested because they are 12yrs and older. The court did give 50/50 of my 8 yr old but we are still 12 months from a final order in relation to this. Clearly I'm a good stable working parent because my 8 yr old has flourished since being allowed to live with me again for reasonable times. But ... The ex just 6 weeks later rang CSA and told them he has no income. After 20 years in full time employment earning around $90000, the CSA simply just accepted his word and I now pay support for 2 kids I can never see, and for my 8 yr old even though my costs to support the youngest are assessed as higher than the ex, my payment is the equivalent to an average persons after tax wage, by the time I pay my rent (because my 8 yr old needs to have stood over his head too) I am left with almost nothing to pay my bills many of which were left from the ex as he took everything we had and ran up accounts in my name (CSA don't give a stuff that I'm having to begin from absolutely nothing again while he sits on easy street), anyway... He has formed a company, goes to work everyday, employes my son 1 day a week but claims zero income. I've put in an objection on the basis of his capacity to earn an income, from what I read though it seems the receiving parent gets the advantage regardless of the lies they tell. I intend to take this as far as I need to as well. Of all the warped things CSA are allowed to do, this is just wrong. If a person is the director of a company than the company should be classified as an asset that supports them financially. I know many parents are also in the other side of this type of situation too, being their ex companies up to avoid paying CS at all. If they can work and can earn then this should be considered thd same as a taxable income. The system isn't helping families it's making it worse for kids because the system itself is a platform used for bullying, abuse and destruction. Legislation needs to individualise CS case by case, it should be enforcing ongoing mediation sessions, complete disclosure of assets including companies, income and individual costs of living ( ie rural v city living and the ratio of income to living in different areas.) a one size fits all approach is the real problem with this system.
I've also sent an e mail to my local MP explaining my situation and requested for an appointment. I am not going to sit and keep paying because of this ridiculous law.
I am thankful to all of you who motivate people like me to keep trying. I promise I'll keep going until either I win or I die trying :-)
1: stop venting online and go and see your federal member and tell him or her about the injustices you face from CSA
2: Don't talk to CSA on the phone get them to put there demands in writing and make sure to print all correspondence. This has a two pronged effect A they are less likely to lie and bully you in writing. B they are now going to be made to work for Their money . You see if everybody put them on write only contact then that puts the pressure back on them.
3: This one is important challenge them on everything ask them the same question three times in different ways and when you get different answers ask them why.
4: Don't just complain do something there was a parliamentary inquiry into CSA earlier this year the submissions have been recieved and are now closed however nothing has been disscused by parliament as yet we are all voters go and see your local member tell him how broken the system is. The CSA thrives on isolating us as dead beat dads let's show Australia that we are actually the victims show Australia that fathers and their children are the victims of a system that is run by undertrained and uninformed people that don't care about an individual's circumstances but misuse a poorly written and outdated Act to pigeon hole all fathers