Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
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By: Tom from new, australia on July 2, 2019 @ 10:39 am
Yes they have blood on their hands! The fallout from this cruel and inhumane paradigm will be exponentially greater that that of the Stolen Generation. I missed out on my son's best years of his youth and now I live in a tent in my sister's backyard solely because of the CSA and the evil separation industry. Bring on a global environmental disaster because only then will this sorry tale end!
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By: Adina zuker from Victoria, Australia on June 26, 2019 @ 9:01 pm
I am writing from the perspective of a mother. My son is newly divorced and has experienced the worst year of his life. His malicious, lying ,vindictive ex has destroyed him financially, emotionally. There are no words to describe this mo stet. To boot her mother constantly adds fuel to the fire and is a true narcissistic bitch. He has fought tooth and nail to see his 15 month old son and manages to have him for five hours a week!!! Child support now added to the pot of bullshit asking him to pay a total of $4400 a month which Incudes $13,000 in arrears. like you all comment CSA are ruthless, cruel and are facilitating domestic violence and mental heAlth issues in men. They have blood on their hands. Guys you must get up and fight. Get a group together and storm parliment get on radio talk back and tv shows to air your grievances. Nothing will change if you don’t fight. You are all suffering with stress and misery and child support has to be made accountable and devise a fairer system. Women can be just as vicious and cruel as men and the law needs to learn more about how clever women can be at playing the victim. pLEASE get up a fight for your rights.
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1860. By: Jo from Qld, Australia on June 25, 2019 @ 1:51 pm
No child should live in poverty! CS has successfully put myself and my children into the poverty downward spiral. I’m the main caret 9/5 and the higher earner So I’m expected to pay an amount I cannot afford. They continue to hound me. My children have been hurt by the whole process I have tried to get a COA even after providing proof they still said Not proven! My kids are sick of all the BS and walked I informed them of the change of care with proof. Again no I now have to support both teenagers and pay the X money, for an interim period up to 52 weeks!This department successfully destroyed a working child care arrangement. They failed to properly look at the facts acted on on false information, request I prove the lies. I’m now really struggling. The children’s external activities have been cancelled,no more school excursions are affordable. The internet & mobile phones gone not deemed necessary by CS. The X relied on the pension, then worked self employed for years. So his history is all low income on paper. This department has destroyed to happy children for one parents greed as on paper he’s the poor one in a $900th house and overseas travel. In 15 years I have never requested child support from him. His actions where vindictive and at no time to the benifit to the children’s welfare
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By: Mike from WA, Aust on June 24, 2019 @ 12:53 pm
Dawn
Dont have high expectations at the AAT. I tripped my ex up with evidence, AND law for a change of assessment when she left full time employment. She had no evidence. I still lost. Apparently it was the taxpayer that needed to be considered now. It doubled my CS.
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By: Sami from NSW, Australia on June 22, 2019 @ 7:23 pm
Hi kris hi all fathers
It’s dictator system nothing you can do about it
Unless u change the hole government by having force stronger
From what the have.
That means no hope for men / die or pay
And I wish I find way to die with out pain because life is shit what’s point working if you end up see you hard work go some where called you child
But you rely don’t know if that is the case or the money get spend on mum boob job or nail or hair and the kids will only have the crump

God bless men and there children’s
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By: Kris from Nsw, Zog on June 22, 2019 @ 9:18 am
Hi to all paying parents, family flaw / csa multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new stolen generation and domestic violence.
Would like to clarify why some fathers are reluctant to pay child support.
The amount to be paid is too much, especially if you have lost your house and money to ex and lawers.
The amount to be paid is calculated yearly from your gross income and taken out of you net income.
Second jobs are added to you first job so you have to pay more.
Child support is seen as income by the banks, and as debt of the payer.
The child support payee is not pressured to do yeary tax returns.
The payer does not control how the cs is spent, ( can easily be set up through credit card method, where the payer gets the statement).this also would give proof how money is spent.
Minimum self support in the cs formula should be 30k, most people pay that in rent, what about the rest of living exp?.
2n job and overtime not to be included in cs assessment.
Custody court orders not to be overruled by csa.
No increase of cs unless payee does tax return each year.
Cs to be worked out using real world figures and circumstances of both parents, either through mediation or non stressful/anxiety type arrangements.
Just to give an example my ex always does her tax return when she is out of work , that way she is not forced to back pay any money from over payment. Unless i take her to court and spend 10k to get back 1k.
The system isn't broken it was designed that way . It helps no one and only adds $fuel$ to the fire. Open your eyes.








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By: Dawn from Wa, Australia on June 10, 2019 @ 7:20 pm
Well folks we are currently awaiting a decision from AAT. Feel like I’m waiting on exam results lol
Anyway it should be very interesting as the receiving parent tripped herself up at the hearing on several occasions. She had no documents or evidence to support all her false misleading claims. She even went as far to falsify a rental agreement document with interesting information on it which was acknowledged!
At the end of the hearing she suddenly decided to inform the parties she was bankrupt. First time hearing this so I have tried to find information on it and all I can find in the child support act is what happens to the person paying the child support. Reiterating that the ACT is so one sided!
Maybe this needs to be addressed. What happens to child support payments if the receiving parent is bankrupt? I know they have to inform the trustees of any other income. But can’t seem to find anything else.
But hey this individual is something else so it wouldn’t surprise me if it was just another story!
Keep up the fight people.
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By: David from Qld, Australia on June 3, 2019 @ 3:58 pm
Anyone know what to say to CSA if moving and working overseas? In my case I'm willing to cooperate and pay child support while earning money in another country but I also don't want them to screw me over and take over my income through my company. eg. don't want them to take more than they should or even don't want them having any contact with my employer as I see this as a private issue. Last time I politely called csa and told them i was 1 day late only the 2nd time in whole 5 years of paying on time and then they starting acting rude and threatening me saying how 1 day was not acceptable and they would contact my employer. And so i really fear calling them again and they will start making unnecessary threats on me. Or at least be prepared on what to say.
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By: David from Qld, Australia on June 3, 2019 @ 3:50 pm
@Jordan not sure about any maximum but can work out some possible outcomes depending on income using the csa calculator:

https://childsupportaustralia.com/calculator-estimator/

This equation I personally don't agree with since if it's 50/50 I still have to pay and if you earn $5m then you pay a massive amount while if your ex earned 50k and her new husband earned 100k then you still pay some massive amount when they probably don't need it. Using my own situation my ex earns less than me and because of this equation she owns a house worth twice as much as my house and multiple cars and I pay more in child support than my own mortgage and I drive around in a $2k car.
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By: Adrian from Nsw, Australia on June 3, 2019 @ 10:45 am
The whole system is a absolute joke
There must be a way if we all get together to sort out this rubbish
I'm actually quitting my job this week as it's not worth working and I have nothing left at the end of the week
I struggle all the time but the CSA don't care
Live homelessness is what they all want us to be
Well CSA you have succeeded with me
You should stop and care a bit about the fathers as well
We are humans too
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By: Sharon from QLD, Australia on May 22, 2019 @ 11:06 am
I am a mother who works full time - and also looks after child full time. The father does not want to have child. When asked any excuse. But I assure you HE tells everyone possible I wont allow him to see our child. Our child is now 14.. They are not stupid. Child rings dad can you pick me up from school, sorry no busy. Father has picked up child twice what i knoe from school in the past 8 years. I pay the school fees by myself. I am lucky our child -has 50% scholarship and is also very National Level in sports. The father won't pay a cent towards states or national events nothing, no school fees, books, clothes nothing. He also claims now his has own consulting firm this was 5 years ago this started when he met new wife. Still- working in his brother's company that he only earns $32,000 a year. from $160,000 to $32,000 ,,So that's $25 week child support. It's tough as I don't have a life at all. I have no money as I am doing the best for our daughter to support her dreams. When father remarried this is when it changed From $160,000 to $$32,000. just came back from Spain/Europe after one month. This time his father in law paid for the $20,000 Both himself and wife drive luxury cars approx$80,000 each. Yet - he will lie and say anything to not pay child support. My favourite part is he tells everyone I won't let him see our child. That is not the case .He plays the victim. I use to beg for him to pick up and have for weekend. Never convenient for him. I even said pick up from school one day a week. on NO THAT could be helping me. So - I know some of are legit. This man is the biggest scamming liar and he sounds like some of you above. I just want what is fair to help our child achieve her dreams. I find this difficult paying a mortgage, school fees, sports events, national's travel for sports events. i believe regardless that both parents share costs equally .. I know other mothers in the same case. The fathers lie and play victim.
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1850. By: Mark from WA, UK on May 13, 2019 @ 11:36 pm
Replying to Kris from Nsw, Zog on May 13, 2019 @ 9:41 pm

The CSA are an intermediary (Government debt collection agency), as far as I know the full payments go directly to the payee. Whether the payee uses these payments for their intended use, for the child/children, as opposed to wasting the money, is another matter entirely.
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By: Kris from Nsw, Zog on May 13, 2019 @ 9:41 pm
Hi
Can anyone answer this , I pay $210 weekly to csa maggots for a kid . Does she get this exact amount or does the csa skim a bit of this? .
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By: Mohumed from Nsw, Australia on May 5, 2019 @ 10:00 pm
This government needs to ship shape child support laws, my one night stand had a child , I now have to pay 7000 a year on child support ,that is to much money , I have other things to lay as well. I'm also unable to see my own child and to see my own child I need a private lawyer that I just can't afford, why cant the mother just get a job ,feeling stressed, does any one else have to pay a high figure like this
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By: Mark from WA, Australia (Now the UK) on May 4, 2019 @ 8:11 am
Having dealt with the CSA for 10-years, two things have become apparent to me. One, they are not interested in what is best for the child, (and neither are any of the state Family Courts, or DCP for that matter) it’s solely about minimising the financial burden on the state. In pursuit of this, the CSA has no qualms about ruining a person, and bankrupting them where needed. Their employees mostly lack compassion and the ability or will to see reason – but no surprises there! Two, it seems the CSA just random number picks when calculating a payer’s assessment amount. As we all know, the CSA income amount more often than not bears no resemblance to a payer’s “real” income amount, as in the ATO amount.

My son’s mother fell pregnant within 2-months of us meeting, and we separated 5-months after this. Everything happened so quickly, and if I am honest, I was never really in love with her. I took responsibility for my own actions and committed to co-parenting our son. Due to my FIFO work 50/50 parenting was never an option for me, however, I reasonably (and naively) expected substantial time with my son during my time off. I never even came close to this during the three-years I remained in my son’s life. My parenting access to my son was always extremely limited and controlled, not to mention the continual unpunished contraventions of Minute of Consent parenting orders by her.

To cut a long story short, I was falsely accused of abusing my then 30-month old son. My son was always happy in my company and I would never have hurt a hair on his head. Even so, I always suspected my son’s mother was capable of plumbing the depths of vindictiveness. I was never interviewed by the Police and only over the phone by the DCP. Eventually the allegations were found to be unsubstantiated, but the Family Court registrar ordered supervised visits at my expense. So that his mother could concentrate on parenting our son, rather than continually plotting for revenge, I walked away. Basically, since July 2010 I have been paying vast amounts of child support for a son I have “no” contact with. My son will turn 12-years old in July and I have no idea what he even looks like. Out of total frustration and sheer exhaustion, in April 2015 I left Australia and returned to the country of my birth. Since then I have been locked in a battle with the CSA, and mental ill health. The latter has prevented me from working, and being a productive member of society. That said, I did manage to write and publish a book about my Parental Alienation experience.

To add insult to injury, during the short time we were together, I paid-off my son’s mother’s mortgage to the tune of $69.5k. She was very smart though, because she didn’t register me with the CSA for 12-months, thus ensuring none of the $69.5k could be offset against my child support payments.

It is also worth noting, my son’s mother has pulled a similar stunt with her daughter’s father.

Although my payments have been re-assessed at the minimal annual amounts for the previous four financial years, I am now locked into a dispute with the CSA and AAT to have the arrears for these four-years zeroed.

I have always said, Australian Government departments would spend $100k to recoup $10k.

Best of luck everyone!

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By: Jordan from NEW SOUTH WALES, Australia on April 25, 2019 @ 8:44 pm
Hey Guys, just wondering is there a MAXIMUM amount of child support payable or is it unlimited E.G If I earnt $5 million a year would i still need to pay a % of that ? Or is there a cap on what is realistically needed to support your child ? ***note I do not earn $5 m a year...just an example !
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By: Craig from VIC, Australia on April 11, 2019 @ 4:24 pm
Simple one for many I suppose. Why is it that I am paying child support of almost $14,000 per year when my youngest daughter (who left school at 16 and is now 17) is earning almost $30,000 per year - from which she pays her own way, pays her mother board, buys her own clothes etc etc - it just does not sit right. So my ex is working and earning $60,000 per year - and receives $14,000 in child support and a further $15,000 per year in Board from the two daughters living at home??
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By: Summer from NSW, Australia on March 14, 2019 @ 3:52 pm
Has anyone had any experience with The Men's Right's Agency Australia? My niece's partner has an ex who moved the children 2 hours away. He went to a lawyer and paid to have an agreement that said he would allow her to move if he had access to the children every second weekend and half of holidays. She is now coming up with excuses every time for reasons the kids can't see him...birthday parties, sport, etc. Sometime she will text him when he is half way there and say they can't come. Centrelink contacted her to say she would receive a reduced amount because of the time the kids spent with the their dad. She's pretty well stopped them seeing him ever since. She is now claiming the kids are scared of him and he was violent in the marriage (which she has never spoken about to anyone at all in the 12 years they were married. Convenient how it's come up now.) He has spoken to a lawyer who said he will help if my niece's partner has $15000 in the bank to pay him. How are people allowed to get away with this crap?
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By: anthony perham from qld, Australia on March 9, 2019 @ 1:53 pm
I have paid child support for 18 years for a child I have never seen from a one night stand,l have since had 2 more children my son with me and a daughter with mother os.Centrelink said they overpaid me at times during the last 10 years,resulting in a child support debt .l lost my job and struggled for a year to save and pay for a family visit os for my son to see his mother and sister,really struggled even clearing out my sons school bank account to put towards it.We were all excited at the family reunion.At the airport we were pulled aside by immigration handed over to the federal police and told child support have put a prohibition order on my passport!My son was devastated and rolling around on the floor screaming and crying being consoled by the airline agent and female fed cop while l was on the phone to child support who were demanding l put an amount of 17,000 dollars on my credit card!this situation caused a lot of collateral damage and my son has never been the same.Child support needs to be closed down it has caused many suicides the way there mostly female so called officers talk to mostly usually depressed men is disgracefull.That was 8 months ago and my health has suffered and child support keep sending me inflated bills I think its up to 28k now and its totally incorrect you try and tell and they hang up,so I have stopped communicating with them and l just have to accept a one night stand over 18 years ago can destroy my family today!OR WILL I.
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By: Chris from NSW, Australia on March 9, 2019 @ 10:02 am
Hey, just a quick question guys. I have been under a private arrangement with my ex for child support for 13 years now, recently she has been trying to sniff out more money. Percentage for care has been roughly 50/50 but for the last year she has become distant and care % is higher for me. Most weeks while I am away for work my daughter has been with my family a few nights when she is supposed to be with her mum. I’d prefer this but my question is, if the child stays overnight with my family, does that count for care for me? As in would that increase my percentage of care.
Thanks
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By: Derek from Boston, Formerly oz on March 6, 2019 @ 11:27 pm
The only way to beat CSA is to cut yourself off from it totally. I'm experienced in my field and I've got a good support network willing to vouch for me and my capabilities. I took the first job offer I got (in USA) and took control back. If I didn't I would surely be dead now or living on the streets because things were that bad. I'm in a great place now and it was worth the hassles in short term. If you can move away it's the only way to beat the csa
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1840. By: Tommy from Nsw, Australia on March 6, 2019 @ 6:44 pm
If I become unemployed or redundant want is the miminum monthly payment I would have to pay
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By: Kris from nsw, zog on March 1, 2019 @ 6:38 pm
Word of warning , in the past two years i have worked with two guys who are paying spousal support on top of child support. They say that if the woman has not not worked for 4 consecutive years she will be entitled to it. I think they are slowly sneaking this in into family flaw and i recon in a few years it will be the norm.
Just as you thought things couldn't get any worse. And what about the two guys you ask? They're fkn pissed ,dont care about anything and hate everything, don't know who will survive. Just another perfect example of the gov maggots destroying the fabric of society through their social engineering , then they tell you how much they fight domestic violence.I wont even mention the new stolen generation of kids out there. Fight the system not each other.
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By: Jo fry from Qld, Australian on February 28, 2019 @ 1:06 am
I totally agree with everything said on this forum. I’m have 9 nights a fortnight and I’m the higher earner but have to pay lazy ass 30 year Centrelink scab. They ruled in his favour because he has had a low income for over 10 years. The system needs to change, no government will change this financial earner. If you pay on the 1st of the month your money is not paid to the receiver that day it is kept by the government and they make interest on that money.( It’s for the benefit of the child!) To get some change you have to create a finiacial loss. You need to put a complaimt on the centre link website. To set this up link your myGov account to the centre link account. On the top line there is a menu button the drop down has a complaints option click the link. The bastards have put a 5 to 10 minute time out. So include ur CSS number include the time of call and name of person make a one point complaining Request to revive and response by email. This will increase the amount of complaints and show how the department is incompetent and not acting in accordance with the law it is covered by. The depart will require to have staff respond to these complaints. Also there is no transparence in this system. The CCS website does not have a freedom of information form so you can access the information they have collected. You can right to the GPO box and request your file information again this is another expense to the system. Complain about the inaccuracy of documentation by staff. Tip for phone call stay on the phone for 20 minutes only request that they call you back at a given time. Again only talk for 20 mins. Put in a complaint if you had to wait for an extended amount of time. This system is biased against the payer and is being rorted by many ppl. Everyone has the right to be angry at the way they are treated the CSS just tick boxes to get their numbers through and are revenue raisers. As a collective body of the imjustedly treAted create complaints, create expense make them work and do their job properly. If there are enough complaints an government enquire can be requested. To many good ppl are being screwed financially and mentally this is so very wrong a class action would work wonders too. Complain about the pit dates financial logarithms being used by the system as it is primarily a business logarithms for revenue raising. Put in complaints about how this impacts on you financially. I’ve just been through a change of assessment and the accessor made the decision before I was given a right to reply. The accessor didn’t follow CSS policy. This seems to happen to a lot of ppl and it’s weong the staff need to be held accountable. And it should be done face to face not over the phone.
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By: John from queensland, australia on February 25, 2019 @ 3:27 pm
I would like to know what can I do to avoid child support payment? what is working for some man now?
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By: Phil Phee-az from WA, Australia on February 23, 2019 @ 9:33 am
Hi will try to keep this as brief as possible... 2016 my ex goes to CSA, lies and says I have stopped paying her via a private arrangement that has been in place for 7 yrs. She wants them to start collecting for her again - coincidently she's split up with her husband recently. CSA says sure, we'll back date 3 months as well, they then send correspondence for the next 2 years to no address - yes, that's correct, no address on any of the correspondence. When they do eventually catch up with me overseas where I have lived for years the kid is days off turning 18. Shocked to see I have 2yrs worth of arrears and penalty interest, I then have to ask for all the correspondence to find out what the hell is going on - I receive 2 yrs worth of correspondence in the post. Kicker is that by the time I receive all of this correspondence, I know damn well that the kid has not been living with his mum this entire time - he's been living as an independent and getting centrelink payments as such. I tell CSA this and they check in with the mum - she says "yes he's living somewhere else but I didn't tell you because I have still had 100% care and here are some statements from the people he's been living with". To me, this is surely an admission of fraud? CSA however never check with Centrelink to see what payments kid has been getting despite having the power to do so. Again, to me this would surely be the most efficient means of fact checking? Outcome - CSA decide the information does not warrant a change - I still owe 2 yrs worth of CS. What a bunch of pricks and parasites! I have had to lawyer up and have taken a different tack to prove my case and lodged a Complaint. Apparently this will force the CSA to conduct an in-depth review of my case and I have specifically asked them to check with Centrelink and FAO this time round. Yet to hear the outcome. In any case, keep a record of everything and you can also request transcripts of the phone conversations - you will need them for the Ombudsman, which is my next stop if my complaint is mishandled.
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By: Mark Lally from Queensland , Australia on February 22, 2019 @ 10:58 pm
"As a result of financial stresses (mainly from CSA and my ex-wife), on the 4th of December 2017 I was suspended without pay from my employment. Due to my own bad judgement I tried to find other ways to have money to cater for living and payment of CSA and never ending debts that kept accruing. I then on the same day attempted suicide which fortunately was unsuccessful but the effects on myself physically was nothing compared to the effect on my wife and our children. I remained in hospital until Anzac day 2018 and all this time my wife was hit with wave upon wave of the mess I had accumulated in debt but also the indignity of my actions resulting in her being told that my employment was terminated. Apart from the effect of her having to deal with me in hospital and the upset that caused our children she was also forced to leave her successful job and career as a Probation & Parole Officer in order to care for me and our family. Yet despite my actions Tanya continued to support me and was present at hospital visits everyday with our children, however having the enormous burden of dealing with our finances and keeping the family unit existing both emotionally and financially. All the time CSA didn't even give her a break they just continued to send letters and/or make phone calls to her with no show of sympathy just trying to ascertain when CSA could get some money. When the payments started from TAL it was needed to pay such things as food, schooling fees and our mortgage which had fallen into arrears and the bank was issuing letters to foreclose. Yet again it did not stop CSA, they just kept pushing meanwhile the money they were trying to get out of a seriously injured (and now an amputee) man's payment for not being able to work was being spent several times over by a 17yr old and his mother as they embarked on a cruise together. Yet in my condition the only cruising I was doing was attending my weekly appointments with my psychologist (to stop me from getting the second suicide attempt right)."

My psychologist currently is concerned that this pushing from CSA will have a serious and detrimental effect on my mental state and possibly send me back to were I was in December 2017, he wants to issue a letter to them advising this but what good will it do?? They just wont listen and wont stop their adherence to CSA policy and the fact that my estranged 17yr old son deserves his last year of payments from his father, even though he's not earning money to even afford his family regular things like clothes and food? What about them?? Are they not considered in need just because their father lives with them? Why are they not worthy of the same things that another kid gets because it is in "CSA policy". I need some help as I to fear for my mental state and the subsequent effect on my wife and family, after all they have had to endure enough and I do not want them going through anymore. I need help with what I see as constant harassing by CSA with no consideration for myself or my family.
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By: DaveC from Herefordshire, United Kingdom on February 19, 2019 @ 8:24 pm
Hi all - just thought I would give you all a viewpoint from someone who is now out the other end of the CSA hell. My kids (now 23 and 24) are great with me. I live in England but I am aussie. My ex abducted my kids and took them back to Brisbane so it was really hard. Now its all over, my ex gets no more money from me. My new wife is lovely and actually cares about me (what a change!). Hang in there - it's easier said than done. Try to not bad mouth your ex to your kids no matter unfair it all is. Your kids will grow up knowing that you are the good guy and their mother is a liar. Again easier said than done! The CSA money thing is so unjust but there is NO justice for fathers and thats just how it is. If I had known how bad it was I doubt if I would have got married. If you have a change of lifestyle and your income is halved you'll have less the CSA can take and you'll have less life stress too. This forum is great and don't forget that most people on here are or have been in the same boat so you are not alone! And there IS an end to it all one day...
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By: MARK from Vic, Australia on February 19, 2019 @ 1:50 pm
Fuck children and fuck childsupport agency I hope all the staff that work in this filthy department to die horrible death , everytime I speack to those pigs I get depressed ,angry , rage , suicidal , hating children ,hating women , hating life , hating to work , last time I was on the phone with them , they put me on hold for two hours and than they hang up , on my second attempt the men hater answered the phone and she was laughing and she was rude to me and she fucked up my case even more , am on 70000 k a year and am paying 340 $ a week for one rat I don't get to see him
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By: Berto from qld, Australia on February 19, 2019 @ 8:58 am
Click on the link below.
If you think the DHS cares, think again. They don't care for their own staff let alone us mere mortals.


https://www.glassdoor.com.au/Reviews/Department-of-Human-Services-Australia-Reviews-E871713.htm
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By: Tom from WA, Australia on February 13, 2019 @ 1:37 am
Would CSA use the income from a second job as assess-able income for child support?
I pay too much as it is hence the need for a second job. I just can't seem to get ahead. 7 years since divorce now paying an insane amount of child support, I cannot get out of debt, I have nothing and still have 3 years to go of this.
Any ideas would be appreciated.

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1830. By: Dan from NSW, Australia on February 9, 2019 @ 7:45 am
I can’t believe with all the gender equality crap they are coming up with these days that nobody has pushed for a change on CSA and the legislative web of bias against men.

I would gladly fight for our rights as male humans but I’m afraid the system has broken me and I don’t have the strength to do much more than write a simple comment.

I am left broke and broken hearted.

Good luck to all those that are being enslaved to the same system, I hope you find a way through.
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By: Ash from Nsw, Australia on February 8, 2019 @ 8:29 pm
Hi Rozza. I too was self employed.
Much too much to say here.
CSA sucks if you have make.plumbing
Anyway, I fought CSAHOLES and won .I self represented through the SSAT court process, the highest way to object to their decisions. I suggest you do the same brother.
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By: Reza from Qld, Australia on February 8, 2019 @ 3:27 pm
Im self employed, last year child support added $25k for 2 years to my income as a personal benefit from business, I tried to fight it but didn’t get anywhere, this year I had to close down the business as it wasn’t going good so contacted Child support, informed them of my situation and asked for reassessment, it was refused again due to lack of evidence !!! Bank statements clearly show how much money comes in and goes out,
I then searched for agencies that help in this matter, I came across Child Support Help Australia, Talked to Laurie Fittock, he assured me that I have a case, that they have plenty of experience and knowledge in these matters, I was receiving a call almost every second day until I paid them half of the money, Everything stopped as soon as I paid, every time I called he simply bagged CSA and said how bad and unfair they are, asked for more documents and did nothing,
I finally found out by CSA that the act prevents parties to have a representative on reassessments, so the money was gone, Laurie from CSHA didn’t help and refused to refund.
They just take your money and run,
They have a facebook page that is run by a marketing company, they charge Laurie a fee for every lead they get, Laurie Fittock from Child Support Help Australia on the other hand gets paid and does nothing, Beware and don’t waste your money. I paid them $1,000 and after a month got a very poor draft that was copied from my objections.
Is there anyone with personal business benefit experience that can help.
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By: Sami from Nsw, Australai on January 14, 2019 @ 8:04 am
Hi all
Family court judges / CSA- are natze and dictators
No one can change the system
I pay CS+spousal maintenance because my x studying so she can maintain her
Life style $3055 a month
So I’m working 7 days just so she can have good life style LOL
nothing make since
So I do t bileve in free Australia we will have hitler
In every aspect of our life

God help up
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By: Greg from Qld, Australia on January 12, 2019 @ 7:51 pm
Hey. CSA r a debt collection agency governed by legislation, it's pointless complaining about them. They are black and white, welfare of kids is supposed to be Family Courts. If the ex starts with domestic abuse lies, you r destined to loose. U r guilty unless u can prove u never hurt your kids or ex..
I think the only way fwd is for the ex to only ever receive 50/50 care payments unless Ex can prove the other partner will not take care of the kids. Too many ex's keep the kids out of spite and financial gain.
The system is broken. Government love it, no cost to them, fk the kids and dad.
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By: Johnsie from vic, australia on January 12, 2019 @ 12:09 pm
Not that I know of Anthony but anything is possible with state based agencies that usurp our power on a daily basis with rubbish legislation. There would have to be some agreement or statutory authority I would think to give CSA any legal or lawful power to do that which I don't believe they currently have. If your ex has a claim on the house, say before any property settlement is done, any csa debt may be rolled into the property settlement, but that should be about as far as it goes.
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By: Anthony from Qld, Australia on January 12, 2019 @ 6:37 am
Has anyone had there house sold up by CSA ?
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By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on December 30, 2018 @ 11:22 am
Hi to all paying parents , csa/family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the New Stolen generation and creating domestic violence. A new income assessment will only give you more grief . you will be asked to provide evidance by csa maggots of how much you earn ,even dough they already have your tax return info, they want to know about all your financial info such as investment properties income from wills etc,your spending, assets etc, this will make go crazy with rage when they send you all the b.s paperwork. so you can apply all you want but its all just smoke n mirrors to make the system look just when in reality its designed (agenda)to detroy families and hetro relationships, and keep the fuding and hatred alive therby keeping the csa/family flaw machine well oiled. just remember 28 men commit suicide each week and 2 women are murdered because of unjust csa/family flaw outcomes which pits men vs women against eachother. when it all can easily be resolved by talking like mature adults looking at realistic/ fair senarios because that would be in the best interests of the children,not what you can get for yourself or hurt the other person. stay alive and fight the system not eachother. Revolution dreaming...
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By: Harry from NSW, Australia on December 21, 2018 @ 6:14 pm
Hi Dave, what's your phone number?
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By: Dave from WA, Australia on December 21, 2018 @ 12:25 pm
Hello, I'm after some advise please as I keep getting different answers fro CSA.

My EX is now working full time and has been for 6 months, but I'm paying full CS for her previous income which was nil. My question is can I initiate a new income assessment on my EX so i can get some financial relief and actually support my daughter.

Many thanks, I look forward to your responses and to hear from anyone who is in the same boat.
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1820. By: Harry from NSW, Australia on December 15, 2018 @ 7:54 pm
Hey Robbo, nice outline of the CSA antics. Just to add to your great work. It is well worth considering applying creative strategies to facilitate a divorce between the CSA and the higher care time parent. If you have dirt on the CSA instigator/higher care time parent then use it. if you can offer an amount as an incentive for actions that benefit your circumstances then use it. The objective is to enter a private arrangement thus rejecting the state from your family's business and getting them out of your life.
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By: Robbo from nsw, oz on December 15, 2018 @ 10:00 am
CSA explained simply for the uninitiated:

1) You've separated/divorced. Primary carer wants/needs financial support (cash) from you as other parent.

2) If primary carer does not get this through a property settlement or child support agreement between parents (both ways recommended), they often make application to CSA. If they seek a Welfare/Centrelink benefit they have no choice but to first show evidence of a CS agreement or application to CSA.

3) Non primary parent then receives CSA notice of say mother's claim and request for father's particulars of income, % child care details etc. At this point, if you are not the father you must rebut the presumption that you are. The mother will have to provide irrefutable evidence that you are (ie. DNA). Whatever you do, don't deal with CSA.

4) If you have fathered the child/ren for many years, suspect they're not yours and want to possibly end the r'ship with your kid/s over a few dollars, then this is the time to seek proof of paternity. Otherwise if they are yours, you have fathered them and want to continue and don't object, the presumption stands.

5) If you are caught by the CSA machine and work for someone as an employee, you are pretty much fucked. They know what you earn, can garnish your wages and seize any crazy amount the CSA say is owed from any tax return or bank accounts (which don't belong to you anyway).

6) If you can afford whatever the CSA demands and takes from you great. Usually they start low, get you on the agreement hook, and then they can jack up the charges. If this is not for you, you have to create a company/trust entity being different from the entity you know as your name and then pay yourself a modest sum. Yes, this will mean leaving a job as you know it and making changes. Perhaps you can contract with your previous employer.

7) Alternatively, go on welfare/Centrelink benefits and be protected by the ceiling of say $30/fn and maybe setup a new entity/income on the side.

So that's it. For those unsure about when the agreement was first formed, it was when the man and woman consented to that act of lust and pleasure and did the deed. Agreements get stronger with time making them harder to terminate. So too does refuting any presumption of fatherhood.

The most important part about all of this is to be responsible for your kids in whatever way you can, but if the ex-partner is being unfair and unreasonable, don't contemplate taking your life as this doesn't serve any good, least of all for you, your children, family, friends and the positive difference you can make in the world. Never forget this! Just use a remedy that allows you to live fairly too.

And yes keep away from dealing with the CSA at all costs. Don't respond, write or call them. Don't contract with them. Make them insignificant because their terms are unfair and one-sided with their antics worse than Nightmare on Elm St.

The only way to abolish the CSA racket is by not using and empowering it, otherwise your participation will only serve to dis-empower yourself; sending you crazy and broke in the process as it sucks your energy dry.

Remember: Fairness and CSA are not synonymous so give it a wide berth !!!

Good luck!
 
By: Sam from NSW, Australia on December 14, 2018 @ 1:28 pm
Hey Dawn, I have just read your comment and I have a couple of ideas/suggestions that may well assist your circumstances. I do not wish to post these suggestions publicly. Give me a call on 0401665736 and identify yourself as Dawn please. I am merely offering to help and share my knowledge developed over the past 5 yrs of dealing with CSA. I dont want any $$$ for this information. I simply wish to help others with my knowledge to improve their circumstances. Totally free!!
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By: Dawn from Wa, Australia on December 13, 2018 @ 12:11 am
Hi everyone
I’m the partner of a payer of child support.
He divorced her ex 13 years ago and still she goes out of her way to have my partner reassessed by child support.
Recently, he received a change of assessment using reason 3 + 8.
Long story short. Her application was full of fraudulent statements and only partially filled in.
Even after responding CSA didn’t take anything he said into consideration.
Why partner objected and provided evidence and documents supporting his reasons. CSA didn’t even address them in the objection decision letter.
The stage we are at now is AAT.
It’s been so stressful for both my partner and myself, with the new inflated payment we have to find we are sure to lose our house.
Obviously as I feel an injustice has been done I started researching and have read both the acts this department follows trying to find a way to help my partner. I also google his ex’s name.
OMG what I found was shocking.
She has 8 registered businesses which she omitted on her CoA application, she is also in a family trust, again this wasn’t on the form. She claims Centrelink payments as well. I then found her business page and even watched videos of her. (She apparently is a personal trainer)
With this ammunition I reported her to CSA and Centrelink for fraud. Will anything happen? Probably not but it made me feel better.
Anyway, my partner still has to go to AAT but now we have even more evidence to support his case. I’m still not convinced that anything will change after the tribunal as from what I’ve read not many people have a good result.
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By: Grumpy from NSW, AUSTRALIA on December 1, 2018 @ 7:13 pm
Lived with being bent over by my ex by her manipulating CSA, ATO and Centrelink. Enrolled my daughter in schools with only her surname not her 'real' name by birth certificate.
The system needs huge overhaul, inc sack all the brainwashed people who work there. Fathers are not 'wrong' because we are gathers. Assess total family income for both families. Both parents pay into bank account for child based on submitted budgets.....the list is long my friends
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By: Adam from wa, australia on November 30, 2018 @ 8:44 pm
Ann, are there court orders for the holidays? If so, the kids are with Dad. What happens between the kids and Dad is between them. Dependent on their age, what kids wouldn't want to spend time on a farm. If a Dad is oblivious to the needs and desires of his kids, and I'm not suggesting for one moment this Dad is, he would only be weakening the r'ship bonds between them now and in the future. A bad move.

If there are no orders, let the kids speak their concerns to dad direct. Do they not want to be with him for the holidays or just not to the farm. If the kids don't directly want to be with dad, and its their uninfluenced desire, then so be it, they stay home with mum, but mum has no basis to issue any claim for any amount as how is it dads fault?

Depending on the current r'ship and time between kids and dad, sometimes kids find it hard to leave the primary carer, especially if say mum is not promoting a r'ship and good time with dad. It's a thing called exit and entry in r'ships. Sometimes it's that initial awkwardness for kids and the contact parent which first has to be understood and then overcome gradually. However, get passed this both kids and adults can have a ball.

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By: ann from nsw, australia on November 30, 2018 @ 7:45 pm
my husband has his kids for 3 weeks in the january school holidays and he was going to our farm and taking the kids with him,but his ex has told him the kids do not want to go and if he still goes she will find other care but he has to pay for it.at a cost of 1200 dollars.
peoples thoughts please.!!cheers
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By: Nathaniel Lowe from NSW, Australia on November 14, 2018 @ 2:57 pm
I have just spent this last fortnight living off $0 dollars (yes, you read that correctly) due to C$A's decision to not only take my entire Tax Return, but 25% of my wages also. On top of this, after I called to try and find out why they took the entire amount from my Tax Return (after stating they would leave $160 to pay the Tax Agent), because I suggested 'I can understand why people do the wrong thing or top themselves' I got bounced to a social worker and my enquiry has gone ignored.

This system is broken beyond repair. I can't afford to even feed my two younger children and am unable to even have the child I am paying the support for visit as I can't provide anything for him.

How is this 'thinking of the child'? It's past a joke. I really need help in circumventing this wrong system - NOT avoid supporting my children - but making sure ALL of them are looked after and not just the mother of ONE child! ANY help would be very appreciated. Legal, illegal - I don't care anymore - I have been doing the right thing since this all began - and I can't survive anymore, so why should I? The system doesn't account for those doing the right thing!