Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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By: Ilia from VIC, Australia on December 22, 2019 @ 8:28 pm
Hi, i will try briefly explain my situation. Im self employed in family business. Business does not work with cash so all payments etc are traced. For tax reasons my accountant finds ways to reduce tax. My ex has applied for reassessment every year, claiming i earn lot more than i declare. The first year CSA was fair and we simply agreed on the pay amount. Second year got a nasty assessor who decided to double my wage ignoring any defence of mine and doing all she can to defend her decision. I have been paying this amount for two years now and has set me back financially. My wage is unfairly set, can someone help or tell me who to talk to as im fed up talking to these CSA bullies.
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1900. By: SG66 from WA, Australia on December 17, 2019 @ 10:12 pm
Shane Mate< I have had a similar thing happen.
Deceitful X wife and all the bull shit.( still got shit going on, she wont leave me alone and just see my kids)
Mate to be as up front as I can I told child support to fuck off and I will never ever give that deceitful thieving C--t a cent and I told them I know your recording the call, I know your account is at $40k and feel free to play it back to the b--ch.
Shane mate and anyone else call me for a chat or email me if you can't talk (I go through times when I can't talk either)
0419 926 521 or shanegodwin66@gmail.com

We are loosing more men a year (and it's not just about the men) than we did in the Vietnam war in 6 f--k'n years.
WTF if wrong with this hey??
Call, text opr emasil, I have lost to many people I know because of this fucked up system.
Happy to chat, court tomorrow morning, wish me luck..
The X just accused me of sexually abusing the kids.
4 months she will keep them from getting together.(long story she was investigated April before last for belting the shit out of my 5 year old Daughter)
What a complete bottom of the barrel shit to do.
Mate's we need to try to fix this shit, not for us because it's too late for us but for our children.
So sorry guy's however I'm really pissed this time.
Happy to chat if you want to call.

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By: Mark from WA, Australia on December 17, 2019 @ 2:37 am
Shane from QLD, Australia on December 16, 2019 @ 1:07 pm

If you suspect your wife is working cash in hand, and thus avoiding paying tax, report her to the ATO. The ATO will be more interested than the CSA. However, be sure to Cc the CSA.
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By: Shane from QLD, Australia on December 16, 2019 @ 1:07 pm
I am not sure how child support is being calculated, and the Child support agency in Australia certainly do not take the father into account.

I recently call the child support agency as i was advised that my ex was working cash in hand as a hairdresser for 2-3 days and also working as a receptionist for the other days. I rang the agency and asked them about this, to which they responded that if they start a investigation and they find that she is, they will not necessarily rule in my favour. My children are 16 and 17, how when the kids are at that age and fully self sufficient is one person working part time not taken into calculations.

Additionally i also recently that my days of care was severely under calculated and had it altered, this did not result in any change to the calculation, however if my pay jumps in the slightest it is re-calculated.

All this may sound like i am a whinging dad, I always wanted custody of my children and I always do everything i can, both financially and emotionally. Being told she is allowed to get away with cheating the system by working cash in hand and she doesn't have to work full time because she makes enough from the child support is not a fair situation, working part time when there is no reason should be taken into the calculations.

The kicker was when talking to child support i was spoken too like i was a dead beat dad for bringing the above to their attention, i even had to ask the operator i was talking to, to please stop talking over me and that the message when calling asks the customers to talk to them with respect so i would expect the same.


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By: Adrian from Nsw , Australia on December 11, 2019 @ 9:07 pm
The last post on hear has made me feel so sad
I hope that there is someone from the government that reads it and finally does something about it
I hope that the gentleman has good support from family and friends
Our hearts are with you mate

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By: Michael from VIC, Australia on December 11, 2019 @ 10:46 am
I have been paying CS for 4 years. 2 yrs ago my ex decided to send my eldest child to a private school. I objected. The CSA over ruled my objection and forced to pay for private school fees where I did not want to send my child. My child was a closely connected girl with her friends and moving her to a new school 10km away from home alienated her from her friends. Then thew school announced it was closing down (PCW Melbourne). My daughter got depressed about losing friends and moving schools again and she ended her life, at 13 years old. She left a note "I just want my friends back". I know she hated school as she told me this.
My issue is that my wishes as a parent were never considered. I had no choice but to let the CSA decide what they think is best for the child, with no reference to her, her life or her situation. My objections were solely considered financial and the CSA forced me to comply with my ex and their rulings.
My beautiful daughter killed herself. I am broken. How can a government debt collecting agency over rule what the parent considers is best for the child?
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By: Adrian from Nsw , Australia on December 4, 2019 @ 7:24 pm
Everyone should watch A current affair
Pauline Hanson is trying to sort all this b/s out

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By: berto from Qld, Australia on December 4, 2019 @ 12:35 pm
You'll also be happy to know that DHS is about to spend a bucket load of money to rebrand. Obviously they think that will help. LOL god can't help this organisation.


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By: berto from Qld, Australia on December 4, 2019 @ 12:30 pm
Writing in this forum will do little to change things.

Send to PM instead- lets see how christian he really is.

Scot.Morrison.MP@aph.gov.au
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By: TERRY from VIC, Australia on December 4, 2019 @ 10:57 am
I have been paying child support for my two children, since 2002. Both my Children live with their Mother, Tasmania. I live in Victoria , I have also paid school camps, clothes, funds for the children to visit me over holidays including flights and sports.
Child support for son ended in November 2018. But I am currently still providing child support for daughter.
daughter resided with me in Victoria, in January 2018 for 6 months and then decided she didn’t want to live with me due to my expectations of her attending school and getting a after school job. She went back to her mothers, in June 2018.
I have had concerns since she has returned to her mother’s place, At 16 years old she went a lived with her boyfriend and started to receive Independent allowance (I believe living away from home allowance) through Centrelink, as she told the counsellor at Centrelink she could not live with either parent, which was not the case, she chose to not live with her parents.
Because of this, daughter was pregnant at the age of 16.
My daughter has split from her boyfriend and resides back with her mother, (mother) has applied for child support which was approved as daughter as she is classed as a dependent (mother receives $16.200 pa ) , but daughter is receiving a single parenting payment and child support from the baby’s father.
I have made contact with Child Support through Centrelink regarding child support, as I do not believe I should be paying this as my daughter is independent, to be told that it’s a Centrelink matter.
I would like more clarification around this, I am happy to support my daughter but if she is receiving payments already, then I should not be made to pay child support.


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By: Ash from NSW, Aus on December 2, 2019 @ 7:03 pm
I just sent CSA this message online...
To CSA. Complaint 1. I received a wadd of letters today (2nd Dec 2019) are all (dated 25th Nov 2019), which is dating back from 1st July 2011- 30th April 2013. None of this makes sense, HOWEVER, from 1st Jan 2010 – 2nd Dec 2019, I have paid $12,234.63 according to my payment summary. Complaint 2. I was expecting paperwork in regard the mistake made by CSA - here is the reference number R39218185 of the call whom I spoke with Di. Instead I received the wadd of letters mentioned above in complaint 1. Complaint 3. It is ludicrous that CSA is only available by phone until 4:35pm, when the working FATHERS are still at work and can't call. Adding to this, CSA has no place to make online enquiries, EXCEPT if it is a complaint, like what I am having to do here. Please get one of your people to call me after 3:30pm (Adelaide time) on a weekday. If I am unable to answer, please give me the courtesy of leaving a voice message.
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1890. By: Shane from WA, Australia on December 2, 2019 @ 1:33 am
Mates call me, yes I know it looks really bad but please while you are still breathing there is still hope.
Please don't do anything that your kids will have to live with for the rest of their lives.
I have lost 3 mates over the last couple of years and they all left innocent kids behind, not fair and not their fault either.
The kids are all fucked up now!!
Now Guys or Mate's,call me anytime 0419 926 521 (call or text and I will call you back, I promise)
I don't want to lose anyone else because of the fuck'n system.
Stay strong and keep breathing my friends.
Shane
shanegodwin66@gmail.com
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By: SG66 from WA, Australia on December 1, 2019 @ 11:36 pm
The evil thing has done the worst of the worst.
Now she has made a report to the powers that be that I have been sexually abusing my kids.
Just when I thought there was nothing more she could do to me.
My poor son text me on his phone and asked why I didn't pick them up on Friday, he was told nothing of course..He is absolutely spewing on how and why his Mother would do this.
My poor kids, it's so not fair.
Has anyone got some advice or something?
I have spoken to the investigating officer on Friday but he wouldn't tell me anything.
call me or text on 0419 926 521
Shane
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By: Adrian from Nsw , Australia on November 19, 2019 @ 5:27 pm
I pay $300 a week rent
Child support (legalized bullies) have the hide to tell me to find somewhere cheaper so I can pay more child support
Seriously what has Australia become
I'm really f**king over this shit with them
It's not worth getting up every morning and going to work
I live like a pauper every week as it is
The system is f**cked
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By: Harry from NSW, Australia on November 7, 2019 @ 10:20 pm
There IS another way out of this soul draining circus. Do what ever you can to get the claiming parent to go into a PRIVATE ARRANGEMENT. The claiming parent simply has to make a phone call to the CSA and confirm that they no longer require the services of the CSA and would prefer to engage in a PRIVATE ARRANGEMENT. Make an offer to the claiming parent. Threaten court action. Do what ever it takes to get the STATE out of your life so that you can live. You can then take control over how you want to contribute to your children's lives.
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By: Mark from WA, United Kingdom on November 7, 2019 @ 2:44 am
What a sad and horrific bunch of stories have been posted here! Truly unbelievable and heartbreaking.
I have read a few people saying the only was to escape the CSA is to leave Australia, or end your life.
After being falsely accused of abusing my then 33-month old son and not having had any contact with him for several years, and after being continually hounded and harassed by the CSA I left Australia in Q2 2015. This was after calling WA home for 22-years!
Even now back in the UK, I am still being hounded by the CSA for payments which do not reflect my vastly reduced income.
The only true way to rid yourself of the CSA is to end your life - it's as simple as that. I constantly think about this option and always have a ready made noose handy. The fact I am writing this means I have yet to follow through on ending my life, and this is a constant source of frustration to me. I often hate and despise myself for not being able to follow through with ending my life.
Some people say think of your son, however, after 9+ years of total alienation, there is a strong possibility his mind would have been poisoned beyond repair thus making reunification virtually impossible.
This is the reality of life once you have been registered with the CSA.
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By: Next to homeless from WA, Australia on November 7, 2019 @ 2:21 am
It seems like it never ends. Just when you think it is bad enough CSA find a way to make it worse. Already paying$2000 a month child support, skipping meals, defaulting on rent, juggling debts. One step from being homeless. Letter in the post today saying that another $1300 per month will be taken out of my pay. This all stems from changing jobs and a payout I had earlier in the year form my previous job. I thought i was doing all the right things, I advised when I left that job. I supported myself for three months with that payout until my new job started. I advised of my new job and new salary. I did not realise that I hadn't taken into account the payout. Anyway it seems there is a $4500 debt now from that payable to CSA. On my last conversation with them I already told them that I cannot afford to feed myself and that I am defaulting on rent, I told them how much of the debt I can pay and when over a period of time. Rather than accept this it seems they just went ahead and wrote to my employer to take out this extra $1300 a month until Feb 2020. Firstly I don't understand how they think this would be possible when I am not eating now. Second I have no idea how I am going to get through to Feb without becoming homeless or sick from not eating well. Child support is just killing dads. My ex lives in almost millionaire conditions provided by me and my work ethic from the age of 15. She travels overseas, scams money form Smith Family Charity, does crossfit at $60/70 a week, has the most amazing house that she got from me, contents of the house, car, cash she put in a secret bank account etc etc. She lives an extremely wealthy life provided by me while I live in absolute poverty. My kids see it. On CSA calls they tell me the idea of child support is so the child does not go from wealth to poverty moving between the two homes. Yet that is exactly what this has caused. Except is has taken wealth from the earner and made him poor. Given wealth to the non earner and made her wealthy. So if you work your guts out and better yourself in Australia to try and have a good life you get penalized for it and it gets taken off you to give to someone that has no work ethic, no moral compass, no integrity and frankly does not deserve the reward for being so lazy and not bettering themselves. I am all for equality for all. However I am confident would this situation be the other way around and women were being put in the position that men are now all over Australia instead of the men, that it would not be acceptable, it would not fly. There would be outrage, there would be action, there would be emotional adverts on TV about it, there would be billboards about it etc etc. However as it is just us guys, it is acceptable, it is acceptable for us to be treated as if we are lower citizens than others, it is acceptable for people to talk down to us and make us feel like criminals, it is acceptable for not a lot of us to make it through, it is acceptable for our precious children to have their lives destroyed through greed, it is acceptable to say that dads do not matter and that we are not important in the child's life. It is acceptable to mess with a child all for the sake of the dollar. Shame on Australia's policy and legislation deciders for allowing this modern day destruction to continue. There is my rant that I needed to get out.
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By: Ted from QLD, Formerly of OZ on November 6, 2019 @ 10:43 pm
Hello all, The only way to beat CSA and mothers who have an inability to separate their own emotions from the emotional needs of the children is to go as per the comment from Derek @ Boston, you will only get played fighting it emotional not seeing your children the toll it takes on yourself and your family is to much. The Australian institute of family studies will give you indication of how little time is fathers have with our children, I fought the family law system only to get minimal time, the financial cost and the lies will only hurt. Go start fresh overseas if you can and build your emotional strength and bank balance where you can be a better father when or if you get the chance. Hard to stomach but believe me it is hard to do, eventually you get there and hope the children see through the lies the mothers have told them. Stay strong lads and stick it out!!
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By: Berto from Qld, Australia on November 4, 2019 @ 2:57 pm
Re David,
It Makes little difference whether you are Fired or resign due to say Mental health reasons.
A change of assessment needs to be lodged asap. CSA will still charge you a minimum amount which I think is $25 per week, if you have income or not.
If you leave your job for the latter reason mentioned above, make sure you are referred to a good psychologist/ Psychiatrist who will provide you with reports on treatment/ medication. these should be submitted to CSA with Change of Assessment.
It's worth noting that if your child turns 18 in say January, you will still need to pay until schooling is completed including university. The only exception is if your child has a gap year between the end of high school and the beginning of University.
Don't take my comments as gospel or advice. do some investigation of your own starting with your case officer.
sorry to be the bad news messinger.
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By: Adrian from Nsw , Australia on November 3, 2019 @ 7:32 pm
Hi guys
If you think child support stops when they turn 18
Stop and think again cause if they are still in school you have to pay till they finish and there is nothing you can do about it
The whole system is crap
The child support people are just legalized bullies
No wonder we are all suffering mental health issues these days
Child support actually told me to find somewhere cheaper to live so I could pay more
WTF
They have my protected income of $750 a fortnight
That doesn't even cover my rent
The only advice I can give is vote for Pauline Hanson cause she wants to sort child support out for us guys

 
By: David from Qld, Australia on November 3, 2019 @ 2:36 pm
Anyone know what happens if I lose my job and have a mortgage and in advance on my mortgage payments? Will I have to keep paying and money taken out of my mortgage? Also any difference between getting fired or quitting?
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1880. By: Ted from QLD, Formerly of OZ on November 3, 2019 @ 2:52 am
Hello all, The only way to beat CSA and mothers who have an inability to separate their own emotions from the emotional needs of the children is to go as per the comment from Derek @ Boston, you will only get played fighting it emotional not seeing your children the toll it takes on yourself and your family is to much. The Australian institute of family studies will give you indication of how little time is fathers have with our children, I fought the family law system only to get minimal time, the financial cost and the lies will only hurt. Go start fresh overseas if you can and build your emotional strength and bank balance where you can be a better father when or if you get the chance. Hard to stomach but believe me it is hard to do, eventually you get there and hope the children see through the lies the mothers have told them. Stay strong lads and stick it out!!
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By: Robert from Nsw, Australia on October 31, 2019 @ 12:26 pm
Hi, can anyone tell me if there is an independent oversight or even a section of the csa that will look into an appeal for my assessment, my ex has worked a lot less this year so it puts more burden on me to pay more(currently paying 280 pw),and if I incurr a debt I cannot see how I can afford to pay more.what is the most they can take from your pay?also I see my son every second fornight but my daughter has had her ear bashed from ex and refuses to come now.
Last financial year also I gave ex directly another 6.5k towards sons and daughters braces above csa payments, as I will most likely get a debit can I get this 6.5k taken into account??any advice is welcome ta
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By: Leeroy Nuner from Victoria, Australia on October 10, 2019 @ 4:45 pm
Hi,so glad there's a Group for this.
I've been paying CS for 4 years ,the last year I have had full care of my children 100% court ordered and all. But with a click of the mother on the CS mygov she can change the % rate still. So 14 days if you haven't replied to the change (court order) the % back ,stiff too bad so I have a $11,000 debt. And because I haven't done my tax they go off your last tax return.
So many hours on the phone ,so much extra burden for years . 95% of the people you speak to don't seem interested. God forbid if you get frustrated with them ffs.

 
By: Adam V from NSW, Australia on October 10, 2019 @ 12:12 pm
Hi gents
I'm new to this forum and hope someone can help or point me in the right direction, I'll try to keep it brief.
Recently separated with baby now 2 months old, ex is going through child support and we are trying to determine percentage in carer. Child support people say I have to provide proof of my son in my care 100% part of the time. Furthermore, the ex objects to me taking him to my place on some occasions hence reducing the time 100% in my care. Any suggestions how I resolve these problems amicably?
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By: sami abdal from nsw, Australia on September 9, 2019 @ 7:34 pm
hi Greig
we all going throw this and no one will listen and no one will change any thin.
I am not sure what is the point of all of us posting on this place.
its just make you more frustrated.
and if you go and fuck the government and family court you will be called crazy.
but what the doing to every one its normal.
cant tell any more what is right and what is wrong mate
sorry for all working mums and dads that the have to pay there hard earning to there x partners and there in no chance in hell
that what you pay its getting spend on your child every one know about it but the will not change this broken system .
because Australian government build on Froud so this is very normal for them.

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By: Craig Clitheroe from Western Australia, Australia on September 9, 2019 @ 12:49 pm
My son (17.5 years old) came and lived with me for nearly a year as he was a bit lost in his future, I got him an mechanical apprenticeship signed contract earning $475 a week gave him 2k towards a car, he then decided to move back with his mum.
His mum is going for child support, he works and earns significant income, applied for change to assessment under Reason 4 which will take 90 days but CSA are already taking full money out, I'm paying spousal support not child support as my son supporting himself...I've been to my member of parliament - dont know what else to do, I'm classed as a A grade client with CSA for over the last 15 years which accounts for nothing...ive submitted all documents and its been ongoing since 27th July...unfair and unjust and Im paying for her Bali trip at Christmas...Mental Health hey!!
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By: Leesa from WA, Australia on August 29, 2019 @ 12:59 am
I received a phone call from CS support today informing me I apparently have a debt of $1,800 owing to the paying parent of my CS case. It's the 28th of August 2019, and to be honest; the statement I owe them left me a little dumb founded and stunned. 3 weeks ago on the 6th of August I received a letter from CS saying the paying parent actually owed me $3,500 after reconciliation adjustment. I also received $2,400 into my financial institution on the 14th of August. So how did I acquire a debt of $1,800 in just two weeks???

The hardest part of this to swallow is HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? Surely the system would be electronic in most input (and at least with actual income confirmation with the ATO). All they could, or would tell me, was 'its a keying in error'.

Now again; I'm a little lost and bewildered to how in 3 weeks I can go from receiving, to now paying! The only advise they would give me was to fill out a objection form. And to be honest I'm not quiet sure what I'm objecting? That a keying error occurred? That I have several other pieces of documentation that say otherwise?

I will suffer a financial loss at the cost of CS due to this. I lodged my tax return late (2 years worth) for the 16/17 and 17/18 financial years in November 18. My provisional income was bassed on $61,00 yet my actual income those years was $26,000. I lodged late; I accept the loss of over $7,000 (however if my income was higher I would have incurred a debt! How unfair is this system). And to now again; be handed another loss means I am going to be bear near $8,500 loss over 3 years.

I have been separated from my ex husband for over 6 years. On initial separation I was paying him over 4 times the amount I am even receiving from him now. Yes I changed jobs (I could not sustain my job and be a full-time parent; note neither could he! But he found / or was fortunate enough to find a woman who cares for his kids ECT while he works). I won't appologise for not wanting to shack up with a guy who wants to stay home and play 'daddy' to my kids and not work.

If CS actually takes a true reading and reflection of incomes for the past 3 years; I would be owed a great deal more than the $3,500 they stated on the 6th of August. The system is not fair, in fact; it's the only Australian system that penalises you for over estimating! Even Centerlink and Family tax advise you to over estimate than under estimate to lessen the likelihood of incurring a debt.
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By: Damian from Northern Territory, Australia on August 28, 2019 @ 6:01 am
I am not against paying child support but...

They're thieves! They're thieves! They're filthy little thieves!

Last year my employment circumstances changed, going from full time to part time. I was earning a relatively decent wage then down to $800 a fortnight. I contacted CSA (thieves!) and explained my circumstances. The amount payable was reduced. When I was earning a steady average wage again I did the right thing and contacted CSA (thieves!) to change my circumstances. They back dated payments and that put me in arrears. I was told that if my income lowered again to contact again, but that WON'T be back dated.

Come new financial year I receive correspondence that I have under estimated income and now owe close to $5000 and cop a "fine" of $450 on top of money owed. The assessment they did didn't include my circumstances. Prior to earning way less than the average wage I was on above average wage.
When contacting them to discuss (via phone) I was told pretty much "too bad, so sad, pay they money". I was given one month to come up with $5000. I couldn't pay so I tried to organise some sort of payment plan (via phone). I made an offer and was told it was not good enough, the amount extra I have to pay is not what I can pay but what THEY say I have to pay. I was then told to use all my credit cards (which I don't have), use all savings if any and consider selling assets, such as my car. Fortnightly payments already were $556, they demanded another $491 on top of that. I said I could not pay that, I would have to get a second job to barely pay my bills and not including groceries (left with $340 for bills and living expenses for the fortnight) and I would have to get a second job to make ends meet which will sting me later down the track when they demand more money for more income, which I wouldn't need in the first place! I was told if I didn't pay the extra they would garnish my wages, take money from my account and seize all assets.

Then was told that they're only interest is trying to help me...

Ill say that again, I was told that they're ONLY INTEREST IS TRYING TO HELP ME...

They had already took all of my tax return which I was planning on using for a holiday with my kids.

The real kicker is that prior to this my kids mother wasn't receiving in full what I was paying at the time. She showed me her bank statement as proof. She was only receiving 10% of what I was paying. I had to contact them and demand to know what's going on, since it's MY money which is for MY kids which THEY demand I pay. They would not provide an answer to me. I am yet to see how much of $1048 she actually gets.

Now I work two jobs, accumulating extra income which will increase payments on the next income assessment and I do not get to see my kids due to working 7 days a week.
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By: kardason from NSW, Australia on August 26, 2019 @ 4:10 pm
This CSA is a joke!! My EX took my son away 8 hours away and went to court and got full custody. “Apparently the travel is to much for 6 year old” so basically I don’t see my boy and paying 250 a week in child support. I believe dads need to stick together and make a Facebook group!! Shit won’t change if we contribute bitching! More males die every year (suicide) the cause, families breaking up, not been able to see their kids!
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By: Phil Phee-az from WA, Australia on August 17, 2019 @ 6:04 am
Posted on here in February so this is an update - You could say I had a WIN as far as the CSA is concerned. Just to recap briefly, paying CS for teenage child for 16 months, who was also collecting independent payments from Centrelink at the same time. How can this happen when these two departments are supposed to share info??? Well they clearly don't talk to each other and it took 8 months and two objections before the CSA discovered the Payee's sea of lies and deceit - surprise!!
My advice as a result is this:
* CSA will always believe the Payee over the Payer.
* CSA workers are not all qualified to answer questions, nor do they understand their own rules/regs. Learn them!
* You will probably never speak to the same CSA worker twice, so save all your questions/comments for the Objections Officer.
* Avoid verbal communications if you can - put it all in writing/email it.
* The CSA will withhold information from you - you will discover just how much when you receive the formal decision.
* Be specific about what you believe is happening! Provide lots of information/evidence to back up what you say.
* Persevere - they will try to wear you down.
* Finally, and most important - write everything down - keep a record - you will need it.


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1870. By: Allan from WA, Australia on August 16, 2019 @ 5:43 pm
This is a must watch about how child support payments are calculated (and I'm sure it is the same for most countries, including Australia), which by the way, is flawed!
Bingo! There is a profit to being a custodial parent!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=196XCAXfqrI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR39EHObOXruJEfcIFj4pYIf4AEd6d6G52V6P_seTO6FM_NsoEC3ZyLm6tY
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By: Jo klaasen from South Australian, Australia on July 17, 2019 @ 1:36 am
I have just spent the last 6mths on benifits due to a critical life change- WORST EMOTIONAL IMPACT.... Why?
I have a 16 and 15yr old who have no contact with dad since he just stopped coming.. 1st stage of roller coaster I can't answer their questions of why.. That hurts as a parent.. then 1nd I apply for Centrelink ever at 39yrs old- CSA need assessment of child support done.. OK good luck getting blood from a stone
3rd... Knowing I will never see a cent I lost 200 per fortnight from payment because I'm meant to get that from Him... the kick in the guts again not our fault a single mum 2 grown kids living on my payment of 211 per fortnight he is now thousands in arreas.. Yet both sole parent carers feel it every day and we still loose either way. Needs to change simple
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By: Adrian from NSW, Australia on July 12, 2019 @ 12:17 pm
I recently had a case finish in January this year, low and behold I had calculated the income estimate for the 7 months of the year and they accepted it, now I have done my tax for 2018-19 I have been hit with a debt due to the fact that I have earnt so much more than my estimate, I asked if I could object as the calculation is wrong and CSA have said no. I really dont know why I need to pay for the full years income for the 7 months, talk about being unfair. Also I have recently found out that the other partent has been running a business since 2013 and has not lodged their tax returns, when she does now its up to me to chase her for the money, this current system is so unfair
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By: Chris Meyers from Nsw, Australia on July 6, 2019 @ 12:56 pm
Dont bother fighting it....
Your kids will be alienated against you
The female will play games and manipulate everyone to make you the bad guy
The only option is to walk away or end your life....
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By: John from Western Australia, Laos on July 5, 2019 @ 3:09 pm
I am FREE from these thieves and all the mental torture that has been inflicted over the past nine years. Just thought I would share a good news story for a change. Well, to be honest, it's not good. None of the now adult three children want anything to do with their dad (perental alienation syndrome) - another stolen generation. Mum, has played the victim very well and the FLC and CSA have got behind her big time. I've paid out just under 100K to the CSA over this period. So effectively I've lost a decade of income through CSA and 25 years of my life through being married. Oh, I left the country in 2015 too. Othrwise I would be dead by now. Thank you and good luck with these inhumane souless cock cutters. John
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By: Nathan from NSW, Really on July 4, 2019 @ 10:36 pm
I am accumulating a bill because these CSA pigs, decided to ignore my reassessment request back in May. I called today, they got it, and couldn’t tell me why they didn’t act... unreal... pigs
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By: Mike from Wa, Australia on July 4, 2019 @ 7:25 pm
I have arrears for over a long period of time potentially owing due to legal battles with ex and I couldn’t pay full amount - so how far back can the CSA maggots go with arrears - is it the full 2 years or only 9 months - help me please asap as I need to know and how to approach CSA re the debt
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By: dad from WA, Australia on July 4, 2019 @ 6:09 pm
Quick question.
Ex applied for over 18 CS extension for education until October 30. My son is only a General Studies student who does not do exams. His last school day of classes is Sept 27. His Graduation day is Oct 24.
Can I object to this for this reason?
It will save me a grand if successful.
I was on hold with a call to CSA for 69 minutes to ask this question. When she picked up she said she couldn't hear me and hung up. Haha.
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By: Tom from new, australia on July 2, 2019 @ 10:39 am
Yes they have blood on their hands! The fallout from this cruel and inhumane paradigm will be exponentially greater that that of the Stolen Generation. I missed out on my son's best years of his youth and now I live in a tent in my sister's backyard solely because of the CSA and the evil separation industry. Bring on a global environmental disaster because only then will this sorry tale end!
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By: Adina zuker from Victoria, Australia on June 26, 2019 @ 9:01 pm
I am writing from the perspective of a mother. My son is newly divorced and has experienced the worst year of his life. His malicious, lying ,vindictive ex has destroyed him financially, emotionally. There are no words to describe this mo stet. To boot her mother constantly adds fuel to the fire and is a true narcissistic bitch. He has fought tooth and nail to see his 15 month old son and manages to have him for five hours a week!!! Child support now added to the pot of bullshit asking him to pay a total of $4400 a month which Incudes $13,000 in arrears. like you all comment CSA are ruthless, cruel and are facilitating domestic violence and mental heAlth issues in men. They have blood on their hands. Guys you must get up and fight. Get a group together and storm parliment get on radio talk back and tv shows to air your grievances. Nothing will change if you don’t fight. You are all suffering with stress and misery and child support has to be made accountable and devise a fairer system. Women can be just as vicious and cruel as men and the law needs to learn more about how clever women can be at playing the victim. pLEASE get up a fight for your rights.
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1860. By: Jo from Qld, Australia on June 25, 2019 @ 1:51 pm
No child should live in poverty! CS has successfully put myself and my children into the poverty downward spiral. I’m the main caret 9/5 and the higher earner So I’m expected to pay an amount I cannot afford. They continue to hound me. My children have been hurt by the whole process I have tried to get a COA even after providing proof they still said Not proven! My kids are sick of all the BS and walked I informed them of the change of care with proof. Again no I now have to support both teenagers and pay the X money, for an interim period up to 52 weeks!This department successfully destroyed a working child care arrangement. They failed to properly look at the facts acted on on false information, request I prove the lies. I’m now really struggling. The children’s external activities have been cancelled,no more school excursions are affordable. The internet & mobile phones gone not deemed necessary by CS. The X relied on the pension, then worked self employed for years. So his history is all low income on paper. This department has destroyed to happy children for one parents greed as on paper he’s the poor one in a $900th house and overseas travel. In 15 years I have never requested child support from him. His actions where vindictive and at no time to the benifit to the children’s welfare
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By: Mike from WA, Aust on June 24, 2019 @ 12:53 pm
Dawn
Dont have high expectations at the AAT. I tripped my ex up with evidence, AND law for a change of assessment when she left full time employment. She had no evidence. I still lost. Apparently it was the taxpayer that needed to be considered now. It doubled my CS.
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By: Sami from NSW, Australia on June 22, 2019 @ 7:23 pm
Hi kris hi all fathers
It’s dictator system nothing you can do about it
Unless u change the hole government by having force stronger
From what the have.
That means no hope for men / die or pay
And I wish I find way to die with out pain because life is shit what’s point working if you end up see you hard work go some where called you child
But you rely don’t know if that is the case or the money get spend on mum boob job or nail or hair and the kids will only have the crump

God bless men and there children’s
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By: Kris from Nsw, Zog on June 22, 2019 @ 9:18 am
Hi to all paying parents, family flaw / csa multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new stolen generation and domestic violence.
Would like to clarify why some fathers are reluctant to pay child support.
The amount to be paid is too much, especially if you have lost your house and money to ex and lawers.
The amount to be paid is calculated yearly from your gross income and taken out of you net income.
Second jobs are added to you first job so you have to pay more.
Child support is seen as income by the banks, and as debt of the payer.
The child support payee is not pressured to do yeary tax returns.
The payer does not control how the cs is spent, ( can easily be set up through credit card method, where the payer gets the statement).this also would give proof how money is spent.
Minimum self support in the cs formula should be 30k, most people pay that in rent, what about the rest of living exp?.
2n job and overtime not to be included in cs assessment.
Custody court orders not to be overruled by csa.
No increase of cs unless payee does tax return each year.
Cs to be worked out using real world figures and circumstances of both parents, either through mediation or non stressful/anxiety type arrangements.
Just to give an example my ex always does her tax return when she is out of work , that way she is not forced to back pay any money from over payment. Unless i take her to court and spend 10k to get back 1k.
The system isn't broken it was designed that way . It helps no one and only adds $fuel$ to the fire. Open your eyes.








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By: Dawn from Wa, Australia on June 10, 2019 @ 7:20 pm
Well folks we are currently awaiting a decision from AAT. Feel like I’m waiting on exam results lol
Anyway it should be very interesting as the receiving parent tripped herself up at the hearing on several occasions. She had no documents or evidence to support all her false misleading claims. She even went as far to falsify a rental agreement document with interesting information on it which was acknowledged!
At the end of the hearing she suddenly decided to inform the parties she was bankrupt. First time hearing this so I have tried to find information on it and all I can find in the child support act is what happens to the person paying the child support. Reiterating that the ACT is so one sided!
Maybe this needs to be addressed. What happens to child support payments if the receiving parent is bankrupt? I know they have to inform the trustees of any other income. But can’t seem to find anything else.
But hey this individual is something else so it wouldn’t surprise me if it was just another story!
Keep up the fight people.
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By: David from Qld, Australia on June 3, 2019 @ 3:58 pm
Anyone know what to say to CSA if moving and working overseas? In my case I'm willing to cooperate and pay child support while earning money in another country but I also don't want them to screw me over and take over my income through my company. eg. don't want them to take more than they should or even don't want them having any contact with my employer as I see this as a private issue. Last time I politely called csa and told them i was 1 day late only the 2nd time in whole 5 years of paying on time and then they starting acting rude and threatening me saying how 1 day was not acceptable and they would contact my employer. And so i really fear calling them again and they will start making unnecessary threats on me. Or at least be prepared on what to say.
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By: David from Qld, Australia on June 3, 2019 @ 3:50 pm
@Jordan not sure about any maximum but can work out some possible outcomes depending on income using the csa calculator:

https://childsupportaustralia.com/calculator-estimator/

This equation I personally don't agree with since if it's 50/50 I still have to pay and if you earn $5m then you pay a massive amount while if your ex earned 50k and her new husband earned 100k then you still pay some massive amount when they probably don't need it. Using my own situation my ex earns less than me and because of this equation she owns a house worth twice as much as my house and multiple cars and I pay more in child support than my own mortgage and I drive around in a $2k car.
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By: Adrian from Nsw, Australia on June 3, 2019 @ 10:45 am
The whole system is a absolute joke
There must be a way if we all get together to sort out this rubbish
I'm actually quitting my job this week as it's not worth working and I have nothing left at the end of the week
I struggle all the time but the CSA don't care
Live homelessness is what they all want us to be
Well CSA you have succeeded with me
You should stop and care a bit about the fathers as well
We are humans too