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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
Firstly congratulations for not giving up after all these years. Finally people understand what you are about.
I am writing to you in regards to csa and how unjust they are against Fathers.
I have watched my husband go to hell and back over the past 15 years. The emotional Blackmail from his ex , the threats from csa and the general treatment.
We got a restraining order on his ex so to punish him she stopped the kids from coming and guess what maintenance went up. It is no use us going to court as this costs us a lot of money. This has put financial pressure on us as a family and not to mention the emotional, mental pressure it puts on us as a family. We have 2 children together and I was working 2 jobs before I had to have tendon transplants in my feet and was diagonosed with 2 autoimmune diseases we put in for a reassessment but it was rejected as csa stated his first family comes first. There needs to be a reform, if the female stops children or the children stop seeing the father then no extra money should be given. As a woman I have seen so many men be traumatised through all this and my opinion is csa causes a lot of the family violence for the pressures that are put on them. I went into family relations once and blasted them for being so unfair, I also blasted them for taking the violence against men posters down. WOMEN EMOTIONALLY VIOLATE MEN yet that doesn't count because there is no bruises to show.
Pauline I ask you to have a look at Fathers 4justice site and Dads in distress.
Women are getting away with murder( more and more men are committing suicide)
Through this crap system.
You help is needed
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I keep say let's stand up well let's do it.
We will have to come up with a day and it will be a hard thing to pull off. Coast can be high but we will all have to meet up at the head office of the CSA. Minister responsible
Minister for Human Services
Kathryn Campbell CSC, Secretary (since 2011)
I am willing to pull together with every one and we do it the old fashion way right in front of this place at there office till we get our opinions across.
Then we can make our case and get it changed.
It has worked on a lot of other cases so why not this one. They can not lock us all up and can not get us on freedom of speech.
Yes most sites are Venting but also have support with a few.
Hang in there and yes there are a lot of good men who have had the same done to them, and taken there own life over this situation.
I am also getting counselling now because I have also contemplated it as well.
It is a unfair system and it needs to fall.
We need to make a stand and I am all for it, we need all stats to pull together all of us to unite. The only way we can do this is to shear this site with every one we know, who is in the same boat.
But becarful with whom sees it, due to I have seen sites been shut down due to people like minded as us who want to make a difference with today's laws. They do not like it. There is a email a few comments down the page. Email Mick and that way we can keep together and find away to beat this once and for all. The best voice is all ours put togeather as one from every single person who is willing to stand up and be noticed. They can not stop us all at once and they can not push us away if we are all in it.
Even if your friends have no children and they know what u are going thru they will back u if there real friends I have people who are will to stand with me here in my town. They have no children. So let's stop saying and start doing now. It is our time to BE NOTICED....
We can do this if we play it smart enough.
Remember we as men have no rights and no power over this discusting system.
We need some women to stand with us.
Talk to your mums and girl friends and see if they will have a voice for us.
I have found 3 women already who cant believe what is going on and are willing to help.
Question --- Who is paying child support and dosen't see their kid's???
I miss my 4 sensational kids.
Let them all know how you feel.
Remember they dont give a fuck about you or your kids or if shes a meth head.
Tell them straight don't hold back.
Let them know what the system has done to you and your beloved kids.
Time to rise up and be heard.
They cant lock us all up!!
I'm in, who's coming with me to make some noise??
Even my nearly 80 y/o mother is emailing and talking to people about the system and its injustice.
MAD AS HELL!!!!
Use your anger well..
Rise up and give them shit, say no more I'm not listening to your one sided crap.
Change banks, every month if you have too.
Stick your money in a mates account,
Just don't roll over anymore,your not a dog or an ATM, make a stand!!
I'm going to!!
The fuckers left me with not much left to loose.
I have been raped by this one sided disgusting system and a minipulating deciptful X.
It starts with one voice!
And I'm not going to shut the fuck up!!
Who's coming to stir the powers that be with me?
Let me know and I will get my email to you and a web page done.
Time for a revolution!!
Everyone please start writing to Pauline as she is starting a CSA reform
Vent your issues and feeling. More rights for fathers.
On her one nation website you can read what her intentions are with family law.
Have your say NOW.
Either do it on her Facebook page , write to her or email her through One Nations website
Good Luck. Remember PEOPLE POWER
I've sent this to Pauline..
Can’t believe the family court system and the court system in general and how a woman (wife) can steal all your money and cover it up with a VRO and then play the system with lies and manipulation.
It’s a long story but to say my 4 young kids are pawns and weapons used to try to drive me to suicide I’m sure is her hope to cover up what she did.
The lawyers say there is nothing you can do as she got the VRO first. That ruined my business and my life (as I working from a home office).
Just found out in WA you can get a VRO now if you have a fear of someone. Don’t need proof.
I managed to get my kids off the VRO but she is still on it and now she has made application to the family court of a notice of child abuse or family violence. Never was any violence.
I cannot believe the lies and the twisted half truths that she can say and get away with it.
What can someone do to help me and all the other poor men that are killing themselves because of this system.
There are some sites like this but it’s mainly venting about the system .
Please help us Pauline
If not please do so.
For example, in New Zealand child support is only collected if the mother and/or child is on welfare payments. In Sweden the amount to be paid must be agreed between mother and father.
I will float a few ideas:
- Limit a period of compulsory child support to a maximum of 7 years after separation. After that point any payments would be voluntary on the father's part. If the mother can maintain a positive relationship with her child's father than no doubt the father would be willing to pay a reasonable amount.
- At 50/50 contact, there should never be any payments. In other words, the objective of balancing the economic advantage of the two households should be abandoned. If a man earns a man's salary and a woman earns a woman's salary, the man should not be penalised.
- When a woman enters into a new de facto relationship or marriage, then the child support payments should reflect the combined income of the new relationship.
- When women have new children in a new relationship, this should not affect child support payments from a previous relationship, like it currently does. If she can't afford to have new children she shouldn't have them.
- If a couple separate within 24 weeks of the date of a child's conception, there should be no child support owed from the father if the mother decides to carry the child to term.
- There should also probably be criminal charges for getting pregnant without the father's consent. For example, lying about using the contraceptive pill.
If you have other ideas please post them.
If we all act in UNITY and stand up as one, if we do that and fight for what is RIGHT they have to listen, only and only if we act as one. How do unions do they stand as one and use one voice. If we all stand up and make our mark at once they can not push us to the side. It is time they stand down and here us.
We can not work our self to the ground. I have a new family to support, and CSA want to take half my pay, and I am the sole income provider. How is that just full. It's not.... I am willing to take a stand I say if u want change,,, STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT!!!!
Those men and women who want to join an alliance in dealing with rogue and corrupt forces that act unjustly and unlawfully impinging upon our rights and stealing our freedoms, whether it be through CSA, family court, banks, other courts/tribunals, councils, lawyers/bar/law society, telcos, energy utilities, ombudsman, tolls, state trustees, police, rates, fines, taxes, farming problems and much much more, contact me at email@example.com.
I urge other strong willed individuals with a passion for justice to do the same in other states, otherwise we will only continue to lose our families, kids, wealth, sanity, our lives and way of life if we keep thinking we can fight this shit alone!!!
They are thieving our energy; blood, sweat and tears, and even those polymer notes they gave us after exchanging our value. Speak and act or sit in silence and do nothing...the choice is all yours...I choose to act!!!
can you please get the money out of Andrews account.
The blood suckers will find it and DRAIN you dry.
Try to think a little smarter, I don't think we need to be much smarter to beat them.
Just cleaver about our personal stuff.
Stay strong and be proud!!
know how you feel mate.
Tell them all to get stuffed or fucked if you like and take it out of my tax in July.
See if you can get your money paid into a family members account instead and go on the fuck'n dole.
STAND UP BOY'S
DON'T LET ANOTHER DECEITFUL WOMAN WIN AND STEAL YOUR CHILDREN AND ALL YOU WORKED FOR BECAUSE OF THEIR LIES!!
IF WE ONLY HAD A VAGINA TOO HAY???
ALWAYS REMEMBER IN THIS DISGUSTING TWISTED SYSTEM ---
THE BIGGEST LAIR WINS,,, BECAUSE IT NOT JUSTICE IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FUCK'N FORM.
I've been screwed from the pointy end of the pineapple and she is now going to go for spousal maintenance even though I'm not working. She can make up any crapp she wants and they believe her. She had a VRO taken out to remove me from the home/home office destroyed the bus we had and forced me in to taking a small % of our assets.
Who ever gets the VRO first wins!!
That what the Luck'n useless lawyers say anyway.
Tell them to AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
They CANNOT drag you into court. You have NOTHING to do with Andrew's situation, married to him or not, and if CSA say that to you they are BLUFFING and LYING to you.
They took your money under a 72a application because it is paid into ANDREW'S account. It is NOT a court order
If it was your account they CANNOT touch it. The simple way is to have your wage and Andrews wage paid into your account. But you must realise that any of Andrew's payments can be traced but the CSA need a COURT ORDER to access YOUR account. It must ONLY be in your name. Another way is to have a Company account IE Pty Ltd ABN, Directors ( must have 2 directors ) and all that goes with running a Company using the Company as a firewall between yourselves and the CSA. I know its stressful....I have been there. Just remember to get creative with your accountant. It will cost your more in legal fees if you use a solicitor to get your money back. The only people who win out of this are solicitors ( Leeches ) and ex-wives.
If Andrew can be paid through the "Company" then they cant touch his wage as well.
Don't stress.....you both need to be healthy for your family..... treat it as a cat and mouse game.
The point at which income no longer affects child support is currently $178,140. So, unfortunately this is way to high.
The amounts are specified here:
I am quite happy to pay any financial obligation I may lawfully owe on condition that the following is provided:
1. Validation of the debt, ie. actual accounting;
2. Verification of the claim, ie. invoice signed by a living man showing value has been provided or sworn affidavit; and
3. Certified copy of the contract binding both parties, comprising the eight essential elements including wet ink signatures.
Please reply with requested proofs and substance to be received within (14) days, failing such, it will be deemed that no lawful debt obligation exists.
Only a guide, change it as you see fit.
I'm French been in Oz for 4 years with Andrew. He's Australian .
He has had 2 kids with his ex and needs to pay $ 16,077.47 to child support before tomorrow ...
We basically barely afford to pay for our house loan with both our wages.
My salary goes Into Andrews account.
CSA took 1,300$ 2 weeks ago, leaving us only $106 to live on for 2 weeks..
I'm on antidepressant because of immigration issues and Andrew is loosing it with talking to CSA.
CSA said they will take legal action against us to recuperate the full amount of money ...
We really need psychological and legal help...
Do any of you guys been in the same situation ? How can we find support to get through this?
Someone told me we could ask Andrews superannuation company for the money...?
Thanks for your time
"Stage 1 of the reform was introduced on 1 July 2006. From that date the minimal annual rate of Child Support was increased to $320.00 and is indexed annually to the consumer price index. The minimum payment again increased on 1 January 2008 to $339.00 per annum.
The Child Support cap was reduced from $139,347.00 to $104,702.00 so that the income of a payer over $104,702.00 will not be taken into account for the purpose of calculating their Child Support liability. This change was in response to research suggesting that high income earners were paying Child Support in excess of the cost of maintaining their children."
So child support assessment can only be worked out on $104 702 max right for paying parent?
The reply to us was his first family comes first.
Every time we have put in a reassessment they have been rejected.
CSA will do your head as well
They are nothing but arseholes.
Look up your local council website and see if there is free legal advice
I feel for you Jen. But it will never end.
Be aware as well ALL your information goes straight to his ex.
So much for privacy laws
My husband has reduced his hours to share care for our one year old son so I can return to work. He is also suffering stress and has a medical certificate.
His ex wife works part time and reduces her salary each year by less then 10%, csa consider this minimal and no issue. We did not have an issue with this and paid the assessed child support as required.
Now my husband has reduced his salary she did a reassessment and he has to pay full amount against his full time salary not reduced hours salary. Will the dr certificate and caring for our son have any weight??
You get less time for murder. Csa create family violence. Eddy I really feel for you kiddo as far as csa are concerned what the woman says goes. Dads are molesters, violent etc according to them when in actual fact the majority of them make wonderful parents. I'm a woman and have seen this for years.you don't see many single mums drive crap cars, broken fingernails and grey hair
Sorry to hear you have been through all that. It's good hear from females as it proves the system is not all one sided and is broken badly. I also know a female that was ripped by the system and nothing she can do. The govt just don't care that they ruin peoples lives. It seriously needs review but all too late for many, unfortunately. Best regards.
My son was 9 years old and jumped on a train and called me when he got lost to come and get him. That was the 1st time. 2nd time he almost made it to my place but the railway police caught him and made both of us wait for his mother. The third time he ran away from school and made it home....I rang his mother and told her I wasn't brining him back this time and he was staying.
The point mate is if you do the walking No one can stop you. Your father won't get into trouble and neither will you.
Good luck with what you choose.
I had the court tell me during divorce proceedings that 14 is the age for someone to decide to live with Mum or Dad. So Dad cant get into trouble if you choose to live with him, he is doing nothing wrong... :)
A , simple work for cash.
Questions like yours i would not answer here as those csa fks surely read this site.
My situation is that I am going to be working as a contractor with my own Pty/Ltd entity.
I am wondering if there is someone who could provide advice about how to minimise CSA payments in this scenario.
I have read the law and a great deal of related information, but I would like to talk to someone who has been successful in a situation such as mine in structuring their affairs so to minimise CSA payments. Presumably this would mean legally minimising taxable income.
I have read in this forum the idea that a father could refuse to contract with the CSA as their powers may depend upon common law. This reminds me of 'Sovereign Citizen' type theories about law that I don't personally think would be successful.
What I want to do is legally structure my income so that child support is minimised.
Please contact me by this email address firstname.lastname@example.org if you can be of any help or could refer me to someone such as a tax lawyer who could help me.
I had a VRO (called AVO here) removed once but the x had to agree and we both had to go to court to have it removed. She claimed she would give me another chance, while I said the whole thing was BS in the first place. It took months and I got dragged through the meat grinder and all the legal people made $$ out of it. As far as i know that's the only way you can. Other than that is to sit it out and start your own new life. Don't give up and best you can do is hope the kids come back one day. I lost one son through all the BS who hasn't spoken to me in 7 years... For children to lose contact with a parent is very sad but the legal people don't care because they made $$ out of it and have unclean hands... Such is life.