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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

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    By: Adam from South Australia, Australia on November 2, 2016 @ 4:33 am
    I took full time care of my 3 year old son 5 months ago. My ex-partner has been difficult to deal with for most of this time, paying piddly amounts to help me care for him ($30 - $50 per f/night when she receives parenting payment + FTB's for my son and 3 other children) and even then doing everything possible to get out of paying anything. I have been struggling with Centrelink for months to claim for my son so you can imagine how I felt when I noticed that a $50 f/nightly deduction for Child Support paid to my ex (for our little boy who she makes no effort to even see) was set up last f/night without any notification from the CSA.
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on November 1, 2016 @ 5:39 pm
    Ian King - thank you for your outline. very handy, as I am in the middle of writing my submissions.

    if you don't mind a chat, and have 10 minutes - do you have details of how I can contact you direct. Don't need advice, just a chat about the process in the court.
    By: Ian King from QLD, Australia on November 1, 2016 @ 2:31 pm
    Hi Oscar,

    I did not take my COA as far as the Federal Court. However I was in the Federal Court previously, attempting to obtain a Parenting Order. I got completely steamrolled by the Judge. It was a thoroughly unpleasant experience.

    My advice would be :

    [1] Don't go alone. If you can afford a lawyer, get one. If not, then at least take a friend or relation with you. Preferably somebody with experience of the legal process who can support you.

    [2] Plan what you intend to say. Write it down. Be patient. Don't allow the Judge to conclude your case until you have had the opportunity to state your case. Tick it off on your printout as you proceed. If you need a break to regain your thoughts, then request one. Don't feel pressured to rush through at their pace.

    [3] If you have submitted affidavits and documentation to the court, take your copies with you. Don't assume that the Judge has read these and is familiar with the evidence contained within them. Read out the relevant sections.

    [4] If you are before the Federal Court, then I assume you have already gone through the COA, Objection, Review and AAT process. Therefore you are appealing on a "Point of Law" ? Print out and highlight the relevant sections of the "Child Support (Assessment) Act 1989" that you believe has been contravened. Refer the Judge to it.

    [5] Don't hold your punches. If your ex-spouse/CSA/AAT has been untruthful or broken agreements, then produce the evidence, and make the court aware of it.

    [6] In Brisbane, you can attend Court as an observer. Go to court a few days before your hearing, and observe the proceedings at someone else's hearing, so you have an idea of how it works.

    Most importantly, don't be intimidated by the process. Respect the Judge, but make sure you have your say.

    Good Luck

    By: MANDY from western australia, australia on November 1, 2016 @ 2:19 am
    please help me!
    i pay sixty dollars a month to an ex out my social security this is for childrenaged 24,21m,26
    i live on trwen dollars ech pay day
    i am income m anage i did this myself i have been on sosial security payments since 2001 and they have taken this money for five yearsand i carnt get them to hear me i am seriously at my wits end i have anxioty and agrophobia i am loose any hopeof ever getting the help to stop this they have clearly messed up and i can prove it yet i am sinking where in perth do i go to set a undue hardship claim agaionst individuals and the agency how do i get the money back how do stops this before i just give up five years ive got hardley and fight left in me .
    By: Anthony from SOUTH AUSTRALIA, Australia on October 31, 2016 @ 7:40 pm
    By: Julian F from nsw, aussies getting smarter on October 31, 2016 @ 8:12 am
    First thing to remember peeps is not to enter into any agreement with agents of CSA, no matter what notices of demand they send you re any alleged debt. I mean why would you want to, who the hell are they re private business between you, your ex & your kids?

    Second, if you have already made some commercial agreement you can look at how this agreement was formed & raise relative defences to render it null and void or attempt to form a new agreement at any time with use of tacit acceptance. Remember agreements are dynamic.

    Third, you can build upon what Joel said below & simply conditionally accept to pay any financial obligation upon proof of claim. There must be a valid contract with all the essential elements including wet ink signatures & a meeting of the minds. In other words a contract can only exist between living men or women else its void & unenforceable. No living man/woman can ever have a contract with CSA [as it's a dead entity & mindless], it's all bluff, smoke & mirrors & tom foolery. Yes it's hard to accept but many payers of child support have been duped, died & suffered for a very long time due to a lack of knowledge. Anyway no more, learn & fight back!
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on October 30, 2016 @ 5:40 pm
    Is there anyone out there who has gone through a change of assessment process, and objected all the way to the Federal Circuit Court??

    I am about to attend the FCC and would like to talk with anyone about what to expect.
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on October 30, 2016 @ 5:38 pm
    DJ (from WA)

    once you are in the system it is very difficult to get out. The only way is that the parent receiving the payment must end the case - completely.

    Now - if she is also receiving any Centrelink or anything like that, she CANNOT end the case, else risk losing some or all of any of those benefits as well.

    so the key is - if you have an amicable relationship, and are both non-government dependent - then it is possible.

    A far better way if you can manage it.
    1370. By: Jim A K Bailey from Auckland, New Zealand on October 30, 2016 @ 6:26 am
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    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on October 28, 2016 @ 9:07 pm
    Hi to all paying parents. Csa /family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new stolen generation and domestic violence.
    During my rants about csa etc, my wife said that paying cs is like a jail sentence. You really have no say ,get depressed/suicidal, angry ,it affects your health and relationships, financially restricted, and in my case I will finish paying 18 years for a son I am a absent father to,not by choice, but because the system allows it. So people good luck to you in your own battles , if all goes well I'll be out in 5 years.
    By: Shell from Vic, Australia on October 28, 2016 @ 8:40 pm
    Maybe a decent law firm needs to file a law suit on csa for bullying causing depression, mental health issues and suicide. I know heaps of men that suffer depression and contemplate suicide due to csa constant hounding, bullying and stand over tactics. The best thing you can do is go to the doctors have it noted go on anti depressants and if you are out of work you can claim due to mental illness.
    Don't have bank accounts in your name only nor assets change your phone number don't tell csa.
    Hang in there
    By: Verity from QLD, Australia on October 28, 2016 @ 7:29 pm
    Hey Ross. If the mother and baby are in Ireland, wouldn't their system be chasing you? Or does CSA here take over their job (how nice of them....not). Anyway the child support assessment should be based on your income and the mothers income. If you suspect she works cash in hand apply to CSA for a change of assessment based on one of the 10 reasons....particularly the one that talks about the income and earning capacity of the other parent. If she is deliberately not working to maximize payment from you then definitely apply under that reason. They require parents to work if they are able. Also, wouldn't hurt to let the relevant govt dept over there know that she's doing cash jobs....especially if she's receiving any welfare too. You should have your income and hers (even if she's crying poor) on the assessment notice and you both have a self support amount...but as you have another child, you also get another amount set aside for your new dependent child. For safety get a joint bank account with your new partner. CSA can't touch joint accounts. If you go for the change of assessment to start and grass her out to CSA for failure to work when able and also to the ATO equivalent for hiding income you'll be off to a good start. It can be a long road to justice but don't give up and don't let CSA bully you into paying more than you can afford. They also have hardship provisions and are not allowed to require payments that would deprive you of the ability to provide your family the basic necessities. Good luck and let us know how it goes!
    By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on October 28, 2016 @ 8:56 am
    A: is the kid back home yours ? did u dna test to make sure or just took her work for it ?
    B: australian law states all children have to be supported by both parents not just the care giver ( the mum )so your stuck and have to pay csa for both kids
    C : what the x does with her money is not a csa problem
    Its hash but so is raising kids ask for a look into the case maybe csa will drop some payments to make up for you being out of work I dont think they will but just on a reason 8
    By: Ross from WA, Australia on October 28, 2016 @ 8:08 am
    I'm an Irish man with Australian citizenship living in Perth. Before I left Ireland I had a fling with a girl knowing it would not go any further as I was going to Oz for a better life. I was here 3 weeks when the phone call came to say she was pregnant and that it was mine. Being my nieve self I took her word and promised to support her but I told her I would be staying in Oz for the long term. I flew back to Ireland that Christmas to meet my son and christen him. After 2 years of paying her more than enough I hit a blip, broke my leg and was out of work and she got the CSA over here onto me.I was mad and told her do what she liked, this has being the biggest mistake of my life. Ever since I have dealt with CSA they have left me angry, depressed and all of the other emotions that have being mentioned on this site. I don't know how to explain the effect these people have had on me and the money they have taking from me while I am living on the other side of the world trying to make a better life for myself. I have found a partner and just had a baby girl which they want me to support on $1000 a week while she sits back in Ireland with her family supporting her, working cash in hand and receiving all this money from Australia which she would not get if I was at home. She does this because she hates me and sees how much stress it causes me and my new family. I have being penalised for not declaring extra income that I have earned through hard work and O/T. It drives me to a state of depression and will probably end up with me having to leave Australia. At least I have this option, I feel for people that have to suffer this injustice without an option. Can anyone give me some advice on this, I don't know what I am looking for but I have bottled this up for 3 years now and need some help!!
    By: Jason from Vic, Aus on October 27, 2016 @ 6:05 pm
    At our financial mediation, following separation, I paid a joint debt of $50K. Does anyone know if half of this debt can be offset against your child support assessment.
    By: Joel from nsw, aust on October 25, 2016 @ 6:36 pm
    First determine DJ if you have any financial obligation and to who? ie. before any payment can be made request proof of debt; copy of contract, validation of debt and verification of claim.
    By: DJ from WA, Australia on October 25, 2016 @ 4:48 pm
    Once you are in the CSA system can you ever get out?
    By: Shell from Vic, Australia on October 24, 2016 @ 7:23 pm
    Hi Verity
    We are in exactly the same situation. My hubby has been paying for about 13 years.csa actually pressured him into paying for braces they threatened him with garnishing wages so he did. We later found out through legal advice he should have told them to get fff. Since then his ex stopped the kids from seeing him so she gets even more money. We have 2 kids together I am on the disability pension and unable to work and only get 50.00 a week because it is based on his gross wage.child support is also based on his gross wage. We have even been told by csa that his older children come first. We applied for a review and everything is always rejected wher as she applies and there is no questions asked. We have changed phone numbers so csa can no longer harass us. Doesn't stop the payments though 1000.00 a month for a 50000 wage .not bad hey
    1360. By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on October 24, 2016 @ 9:02 am
    Verity from qld
    CSA can NOT touch your income at all they are full of shit its not your kid its your husbands kid nothing by law or blood to you. Have you filled out the right forms to have CSA redo his income as he supports another child they have to take that into account. Your csa payments are to pay for anything the kid needs so dont give anything extra she wants private school she pays for it she wants dental she pays for it look into legal aid they can help with CSA and its a sliding scale payment so that should help.What the ex does with her money csa dont care but if shes taking the boy over seas with out a father signing paper work your partner can have that stopped worth looking into as who signed his passport
    By: Verity from Qld, Australia on October 22, 2016 @ 4:41 pm
    It's so sad reading all these stories. My partner has been hounded by CSA for 17 years now and it's just relentless. He never sees his son and we tried to get access but lawyers told us it was about ten grand to fight....which of course we don't have. We missed some payments because my partner didn't get any work for a few weeks here and there and they went for automatic garnishee order at 19 cents in the dollar! We applied for hardship as we're a one income family with a disabled son of our own but their answer is to now reassess his arrears agreement and increase it! He only got a debt as he was stay at home dad for a few years and had no income. It's such an unjust system. We've met the payments 80% of the time but sometimes stuff happens. It's always been a priority. I despise the way they just base it on gross income and don't consider the costs of raising individual children. It's especially hard when you see the ex going on os holidays 4 times a year and refusing access. Now they're taking my income into account to pay arrears which is the final straw for me. Especially when it's govt payments for our disabled son! I really feel for everyone. I do know they have 2 follow procedural fairness and give you an opportunity to respond to and object to unfair decisions. Someone mentioned dental care/ school fees etc. The ex decided on private school years after they split and demanded half the fees but I found out unless the parents decided on plans like that before splitting the paying parent can be liable but if not there's no obligation to pay. We didn't. I was buggered if I was going to watch her son go to private school while mine only got state school!
    By: robmeoff from wa, australia on October 21, 2016 @ 1:45 am
    Sammy. Sorry but you dont get it do you?
    I had a private agreement with my ex which the CSA only gave us the $number$, all was going along swimmingly but then when the ex got all bent and filthy she involved the CSA as "collectors" and once that has ben initiated you are well and truley F*CKED.
    By: George from Nsw, Australia on October 20, 2016 @ 9:14 pm

    Don't go to court over this matter! It's not worth the money and the hassle mate. You'll get absobloodylutely nowhere except in s**t creek w/o a paddle.
    If you actually do wish to go to court to see your son then I suggest having a sex change first. Not kidding.
    By: gary from qld, au on October 20, 2016 @ 7:06 pm
    if everyone at the same time stopped paying child support the system would collapse only then will our voices will be heard
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on October 20, 2016 @ 7:04 pm
    Tom - not sure you will get fined. By the CSA's own guidelines, you only have to let them know if your income circumstances change by 15% .. only you will know your circumstances enough to make that call. It may be that you just get a "debt" - which they will take from any tax return you do in any event.

    good luck
    By: Sammy from Vic, Australia on October 19, 2016 @ 10:27 pm
    Why does anyone ever wanna involve a 3rd party interloper like CSA? If you wanna send ex payments keep matters private & direct. We can't blame CSA for being barbaric if people keep supporting and empowering it by using it!!! You can't have your cake and eat it too.
    By: Tom from QLD, Australia on October 19, 2016 @ 8:16 pm
    Thankyou Oscar, do you know if I would be fined if I wait until the end of the financial year and make a lump sum payment?
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on October 19, 2016 @ 7:50 pm
    Tom in Qld - it's not done by percentage anymore. It is calculated on earnings. difficult to ascertain if you are only a casual employee, and it might be that at the end of the year, you wont have earnt enough to pay child support above the minimum.

    the best "estimate" for you is to use the calculator on the CSA website and enter in the details as best you can. It will give you some idea ...

    if you think you will only earn a minimum amount, you could run the gauntlet until tax time, and then deal with it and any arrears you might have. that consideration can only be made by you with all due weight to "how much do you WANT to pay", "is the relationship with you and the ex an amicable one, in which you can come to some agreement" and "how close you are to the end of your case" ...these are only questions you can answer.
    By: Tom from QLD, Australia on October 18, 2016 @ 9:20 pm
    I have just started casual work after being out of work for 11 months. The work is very casual, one week I might not get any hours, the following week I could get 40 hours. What I am wondering, which CS refuses to answer, is what percentage of my pay do I pay for one 16 year old child?
    1350. By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on October 18, 2016 @ 11:19 am
    A stat dec is not proof of who the father is CSA cant accept it at all. Is he on the birth ceft did he sign it ? If not CSA broke their own law as it states 44 weeks before and after a child was conceived parents must be in together. Dont pay a red cent to CSA or to the x ask for a rule 8 as it stops them chasing him then see legal aid they will help get a court order for DNA test which CSA will only accept
    By: Suzanne from, Australia on October 17, 2016 @ 3:12 pm
    HELP!!! woman fraudulently signed stat dec for proof of parentage.
    CSA accepted a stat dec on face value, which turns out they are well within their rights. They didn't compare signatures or verify the witness. On one occasion I was told the witness name was too hard to read. 2 phone calls were made, but no voicemail left.

    CSA sent 2 letters to alert him it was accepted, both letters which they received return to sender.

    This all took place in April 2016 and we knew nothing of it until I opened a statement for child support for a 10 year old girl in AUGUST 2016. Just about 5 months, no other mail or contact made.

    This has torn us apart with stress. And the next best part is that the only reason he is not allowed to object to the decision is if disputing parentage.

    She has nothing else to say its his, they didn't know each other then .... I met him the week that baby was conceived.

    CSA have escalated the case to fraud on their end but we aren't entitled to know the outcome??
    By: Dave from Qld, Australia on October 15, 2016 @ 10:39 am
    Hi guys,

    So my x and I have court orders in place that say no one can do any medical treatments without the others consent, this includes braces. So if your x partners are taking you for a ride appeal it through CSA. Yes it's a pain in the butt, but it's better than paying $$$$$ you probably don't have. If CSA fails take them to court. Make sure you document everything you do in a dairy as it can be used as evidence. I've been dealing with CSA and court since 2008. I've been through a bit so any question just ask.
    By: Trent from California, USA on October 14, 2016 @ 9:34 pm
    I recommend any Australian men who are getting screwed over come and live in California! Living is cheaper than Melbourne was and My pay isn't bad either tehehe. I've heard Kentucky and Seattle are great places to live $$$-wise but can't beat California mates
    By: Adam from Vic, Australia on October 14, 2016 @ 2:04 pm
    Hi All,

    So all of a sudden my ex does not want me to see my son and says he also does not want to see me nor does he want to talk to me...Long story short i stopped paying child support whats the point if i cant see my got to about 4k and now they garnish my wage and have been working 6 days a week to pay it off @ $150 per week extra Totaling $500 a fortnight!! Anyway my question is how old does a child have to be before they can say they dont want to see their father? I have been nothing but loving and supportive, and cant lose the rights to see him....Does anyone have anywhere i can go for information as I just get the run around...Thanks
    By: AndyP from NSW, Australia on October 14, 2016 @ 12:53 pm
    I paid half of my kids braces then reread the CSA Binding agreement which says this.

    the payee will meet all expenses in relation to the health care and education of the children other than thiose which the payer is obliged to meet pursuant to this agreement

    Now the agreement also states that I should pay 50% of the kids private health cover which I haven't been paying (though have now started to.

    My ex wants me to back pay $1500 and is threatening Solictors and going to CSA so they can get the money from me.

    Any idea if I have a leg to stand on, What should I do?
    By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on October 13, 2016 @ 11:43 am
    How does your x get what she wants from CSA
    My child needs 8500 or over in dental work as her jaw has stopped growing when I told csa that he will need to pay half CSA tells me " sorry but no you have to pay it all your self as your orders dont say anything about medical help "My court orders say he has to pay child support again CSA say " not our problem " Just like fathers CSA wont help receiving mothers all Im told is get a job Ive worked since my kid was 3 days old cause my x wont stick to court orders but if I dont answer the phone to him at 1 in the morning he brings in his lawyer to make threats and screams " court orders "
    By: Dave from Qld, Australia on October 13, 2016 @ 8:38 am
    Thanks Ian, I have put her on notice and sent her an email stating that she is in breach of the orders and I will not make a decision until I have all of the information. Until then she isn't to do any treatment. In reference to your problem I'd appeal it to AAT to have it changed.
    By: Ian Kng from QLD, Australia on October 12, 2016 @ 7:27 pm
    Hi Dave,

    I have an Australian court order which stipulates the days my children should reside with me. My ex prevented the children staying with me as per the court order, and then had the CSA change the Percentage care to 100% for herself. When I informed the CSA of the court order, they asked me 'what had I done to have the court order enforced ?' As I had no documentation proving I had attempted to enforce the court order, they made the change in her favour.

    I don't believe they were entitled to do this, but they did.

    So, don't rely solely on the court order, but write her a letter stating that she is in breach of the order and that you did not agree to the treatment and that the costs will be for her account.

    Other than that, I don't think you need to do anything. If she attempts to take it further via CSA or court, you have the court order and letter, whilst she does not have the required written agreement.

    Good Luck
    By: Dave from Qld, Australia on October 12, 2016 @ 2:30 pm
    Hi all, I have an issue with the ex. I have finial court orders in place from the federal court.One of my orders states that no parent can undertake any form of medical, dental or allied health treatments without first gaining written consent from the other parent. It also states that if we agree in writing we will both meet half the costs. The ex has now taken her to the dentist for a scale and clean and wants braces. where do I stand? Do I have to pay for the braces when I don't agree and I have the court orders?
    I Need some advice about contraventions of the orders and what I should do I am in Australia . Please leave the emotion out of it, I need facts! Cheers
    1340. By: Paul from QLD, Australia on October 12, 2016 @ 12:14 am
    I refuse to do my tax they take it from me all the time don't know why when it's a automatic deduction from work. They can all get stuffed the ex and csa I don't care what csa do no more lodging my tax. Happy to go without it.
    By: Shell from Victoria, Australia on October 11, 2016 @ 7:29 pm
    Hi my husband has paying maintenance for the past 16 years. He also had to cough up for braces and we were later told by a lawyer that he should have told them to F off that's what maintenance is for. They use stand over tactics. The csa system stinks it is a pay up and shut up system for the man. But when the shoe is on the other foot and the woman has to pay they get away with it. I have watched my husband go through hell, suffer depression and has been suicidal. It has put so much pressure on our relationship and we have been told that our 2 children come last. I am unable to work as I have an illness and when we have applied for an adjustment it has all been rejected. I have written letters to politicians and no one gives a shit. Women are conniving, sneaky witches that bleed off exs and claim single mothers. I am a woman and I see this all the time Why can't CSA? My husbands kids have also changed there names to their step fathers. That shows a lot of respect to their so called father that they get a 1000.00 a month out of. DNA also needs to be made compulsory as in a lot of cases such as our the woman is the one that has the affair. Instead of being accountable for their actions they just get greedy.
    As far as I'm concerned CSA are arseholes, Family Relations is a croc of shit I have even been down there and blasted them. We got a restraining order n his ex but she wins by stopping the kids from coming and poisoning them.
    IThere should be no exchange of money if u divorce then it's 50/50 and shared custody. If the kids decide not to see a parent then NO EXTRA Money should be given
    The whole system sucks
    I feel for a lot of you blokes. Love to you all. Hold your heads up high.
    Maybe get a voodoo doll!!
    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on October 11, 2016 @ 12:48 am
    Mick from NSW .. I am in a similar situation to you mate, and am preparing to go to a Hearing in the Federal Circuit Court after lodging a change of assessment and objecting to the decisions the whole way through ... would be good to have a chat to you .. might be able to give each other some guidance ... have you got some details of how I can contact you ???
    By: paul from qld, au on October 6, 2016 @ 5:33 pm
    hi guys, does anyone know if CSA can garnish money from a business account or a joint account? I had a work injury in 2014 and have been on income protection since, so I haven't worked in two years but now the IP has run out I am applying for new start or DSP. I have said to CSA that I am not paying another cent until I have a DNA test done cause I have been deemed the father in a court I never had anything to do with other than turning up to do the DNA test at the local base hospital to find out that the other party never sent the DNA test in the first place, so I am rebutting the assumption that I am the father. to deem some one as being the father without a dna test is beyond me how can they do that? this women I had relations with once, I was drunk we and new of the risks so I said to her to have a morning after pill to be sure there was no mistakes made but I got the age old "oh I cant get pregnant so don't worry about it" but I insisted she do it and she said she would. she just disappeared from the planet for 3 months only to turn up out of the blue to my mothers place saying it was a miracle I'm pregnant my whole family new she was having a baby before I had even known. after that i had text messages from this women saying ah ha I got you now, so what do I do start paying child support. CSA don't care about anything but getting money they don't care that I am under huge amounts of stress about surviving my self, I now have a permanent disability and struggling with sanity on a daily basis and I don't expect CSA to give a rats ass but to drive me down further where is the support that men need men are not ATM machines
    By: Mick from NSW, Australia on October 5, 2016 @ 8:28 pm
    My ex has dropped out of the labour force, she was made redundant two years ago, she has a law degree, but has only applied for 6 jobs in two years and everyone with a heartbeat in Sydney has a job. My child support payments tripled and I have to pay her $26,000 a year, while she travels overseas, spends time on her new husband's boat and the kids turn up at my place wearing rags. The CSA has rejected my applications (twice) for a change in decision, so I'm in court. Lucky I can afford a good lawyer, but I hate to think what I would do otherwise. The law quite clearly says you must exercise your full earning potential, but the CSA said to me yes, sure, but that only applies if you're a surgeon or something...She won't back down because the CSA has affirmed her behaviour, so as a result we'll all have to spend about $50,000 on lawyers....this system is rubbish!
    By: John from Wa, Australia on September 29, 2016 @ 7:47 pm
    I havnt been working for 4 year so I took my superannuation out to save my house they classed it as income so I had to pay them $10.000 then the Emas of the came to do tax I didn't have to do it because I didn't work a month later I get a bill from child support saying 800 owing for the month of July. I ran them and told them I havnt worked because I never gave them a income statement now I have but I still owe 800 for that month lol it's a joke
    By: Jonesy from vic, australia on September 29, 2016 @ 6:18 am
    To Deb + others,

    Right from the start you don't contract or make any agreements with them; ie. speak/write/apply/register with them, nil, null, zip, nada!

    Upon receipt of any Demand for Payment you conditionally accept. ie. Before any payment can be made, proof of any contract and verification/validation of any debt is first required. Failing receipt within 30 days will deem none exists and you are required to cease and desist with any further correspondence. [always followup with a reminder notice and send via registered mail].

    Of course no contract could ever be formed between you as a man and CSA - a dead entity, so they won't reply with the proof you require. So you remain in honour, and as there is no dispute there can be no court action.

    Of course, be mindful that bank accounts solely in your name are not safe, as they can take what they like and when they like.

    We should all learn the process of making claims against individuals and owners of businesses like CSA who cause us harm.
    By: Deborah from WA, Australia on September 28, 2016 @ 8:03 am
    Hi All,
    Just got off the ph from csa,
    As my son asked me to call as he is in
    hotel hakea.
    They keep sending him letters to inform him
    Of the $$$ he owes. I asked why? blah blah omg
    there answer was he needs to call and ask for this
    To be changed ,Hello what part of this did you not
    understand JUST send the forms he needs to him
    FML we don't have his current ADRESS grrrrrr
    why are you so stupid and why is he paying csa
    racking up a bill when he has been there for nearly
    a year . These people are absolute muppets.
    So what do I do help
    By: David from Hertfordshire, United Kingdom on September 26, 2016 @ 8:07 pm

    Keith Owen
    Yesterday at 01:42
    Hi folks, I am running a couple of surveys about people's experiences with the CSA. I am particularly interested in issues related to Official Misconduct, Criminal Activity by CSA Employees, and the legislation being applied wrongly. These are the links to the two surveys I am conducting at the moment. For the first one listed, we need at least another 80 to make it valid, for the second one we have had over 300 responses and the results have been already sent to one Senator. Cheers for your help everyone:
    By: T Stay from Qld, Aust on September 24, 2016 @ 11:57 am
    Another bill from these pricks. Surely this lying cheating slut that choose to destroy our family can live off the $110K she earns plus the $150K her root earns. Don't forget that on top of this all the Remserve shit she gets tax free off the top. Do CSA even look at that?

    I'm happy to pay for my kids whilst they are with me. Sure, what ever they need they'll get but if this arsehole wants to fuck my wife and then play Daddy to my kids, he can pay for them whilst in his care. Oh yeah and fuck you 'lack of' child support. Rot in hell.

    It's been 7 years and I'm still angry as hell. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than hearing she's no longer on this planet. After dragging me through the family courts for 3 years. Lying to the courts on 9 separate issues. Finding out through the courts that in addition to sleeping with her boss she'd also had an affair with my best mate. Making out to the courts that I was a threat to my children and having to have supervised visits for two or so years. My report came back as fine. Her report came back stating 'requiring medication'. Who was the real threat? The purpose of the courts was to prove to her friends that she'd grown a set of balls.

    She came into the relationship with nothing, but wanted to walk away with 1000's. She failed miserably. I'm pretty certain she spent more in legals than she was awarded.

    Child Support raped my bank account taking every fucking cent. How they can do this is beyond me. The relationship is over. She wants to live with someone else. That's fine - fuck off, but don't come sponging off me you lying cheating slut.
    1330. By: Harry from Nsw, Australia on September 23, 2016 @ 10:56 pm
    4 years on and 65k poorer (not just csa but lawyer too)and I'm still nowhere near close to getting what I want what I deserve what my kids deserve. I'm a weekend dad and it's only when it suits my ex. I have to take her back to court and spend more money if she's doesn't comply and still I get nowhere.
    What's the fucking point
    By: Jason from WA, Australia on September 20, 2016 @ 5:42 pm
    Made redundant, so then forced to do shut down work due to collapse in job market. Scored ten week shut and am very excited. Call csa to tell them moneys coming in again. They instantly raise yearly earning total to 80,000 (even though shuts only 10 weeks) charging 400 a fortnight. I have a partner and her 2 daughters to take care of and am left with 100 a fortnight for us after everyday bills. Center link wont help due to last years earnings and CSA basically literally told me my familys survival mean less than the amount owed. I am extremely dissapointed in this system not only have I done the right thing and payed on time for nearly a decade but I took in my partner and her girls. If i have to feed four people off $100 how is $400 fair? my boys mother has 4 kids to 4 different fathers by the way. she lied about being on birth control when I was young over a 6 week period. she has now trapped 4 different men and i garentee wed all be paying around the same.
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