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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

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lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Berto Ortiz from Qld, Australia on December 20, 2017 @ 6:06 pm
    Like many of you, I have a career welfare hag as a former partner. 20 years in the system because she thinks she's entitled to be a stay at home mother regardless of who pays.
    Until recently I was paying $15600 a year for my son Cody. Due to her greed, she asked DHS for an addition 4k which was approved and there's sweet FA I can do about it.

    If we act on our own there's not much we can do but as a group we are strong but I need everyone's support.
    I intend to organise a national rally on the 3 rd of September through CFMEU since a majority of CFMEU members are "clients" of CSA.
    My intention in Brisbane is to start rally at CSA office @ 400 George Street and make our way to DHS 100 Creek Street and then on to new DHS office @ 140 Elizabeth Street to highlight how dysfunctional current legislation is.

    I no longer call CSA, I e mail the minister which then gets passed on to Lorna Andres the nation client manager who's on a salary of around 400k a year to copy n paste letters. They hate it but not illegal. Get everyone you know dealing with CSA to do the same.
    I send one or two every day he he.
    Christmas will have a skeleton staff so this is a good time to bombard them and keep going hard into the new year and make them work for their money.
    I've also engaged Chris Wellman and Associates to deal with CSA.
    Chris is a former CSA worker who knows the legislation better than any of us and is a good guy.
    His web is
    When e mailing the minister, cc Bill Shorten.. Why?
    Let's make it an election issue.

    Questions, feel free to e mail me
    The time for change is NOW

    By: Joseph M Pau from Perth, Australia on December 18, 2017 @ 3:18 pm
    Just needing to move on, so i have been seperated from my ex now, and according to Centrelink, she is sole carer to our 4 kids, and I have nothing under my name, i contacted centrelink several times to let them know that my ex partner have been split now and its coming on 2 years now, so far, she still claims ftb as defacto, sole carer 100 percent, and yet she is working in Brisbane, claims ftb, and yet, i am stuck living at her parents house which is mould and coachroach infested, and all i want to do is move on with my life and shift out of her parents, as i have been under their roof for 4 years, i suffer from depression, carpal tunnel and rhematoid arthritis, so finding a steady job foor my self has been hard, i applied for 137 jobs, and 4 of them declined me. Now the ex, only gives myself and the kids half of ftb, which is completely bull, i need help, and i have no family here in perth
    By: Norma from WA, Australia on December 18, 2017 @ 2:53 pm
    I have NOT been through the system but have worked within the industry for 20 years. I have always believed that the CSA need to be totally overhauled. The poor man needs to get a new life but with these greedy lazy women they can't. (Sorry ladies but you do need to work even though you have children.) The Mother and Father are both parents and should share the costs of bringing up the children. It's easy for the mother to get on with her life while destroying the Father. The children need both parents and need to feel secure and loved. The CSA has to re access the payments. It should have nothing to do with the Father's income. He works hard for that. My thoughts are that it should be based on the age of the child and what it would reasonably cost for that child and then be halved. A 6 month old costs next to zero compared to a 7 year old or 14 year old. Everything should be halved. Someone needs to sort this out and soon. There is far too much tragedy and heartbreak out there. Before you women go off on a tangent I am aware there is always the exception. But really, give the guys a go. You don't have to like each other but what about the children.These are just my personal feelings about this. A lot less stress is good for everyone.
    By: D_nguyen from NSW, Australia on December 13, 2017 @ 2:30 pm
    Hi does having an investment property affect CS assessment? Does CS screw you over even if its negatively geared?
    Is rent income, although negatively gear, is added to gross income right which is what they work out your assessment right? Am i better to get rid of it? Thanks
    By: gary from Qld, Australia on December 13, 2017 @ 12:09 am
    there doesn't seem to be much activity here anymore, I pray its not from self harm.
    By: gary from Qld, Australia on December 8, 2017 @ 9:26 am
    had a phone call from the thieves and they do the this phone call is reordered to training purposes bla bla bla and I told him that I also record all my calls for training purposes and guess what he said oh this call cant go ahead because I don't feel comfortable about being reordered. what a bunch of protected thieves with a policy that they record all the calls for bla bla bla and EVEN WHEN YOUR ON HOLD, lower than scum CSA
    1800. By: Dean from Queensland , Australia on November 22, 2017 @ 7:28 pm
    I pay child support to my ex and in addition also pay 50% of school costs, uniforms, books, etc. I have separate expenses with the children where the ex doesn't contribute. The ex now asked for me to pay 50% of dentistry and I can't afford but agreed to pay 40% as it's my CSA deemed financial responsibility. Is it unreasonable to ask me to pay 50% when I already pay child support and pay half of other costs while the ex refuses to assist with after school care?
    By: David Farmer from Herts, United Kingdom on November 22, 2017 @ 7:23 am
    CSA : Child Access : Suicide!
    For me the state backed bandits that bully the good Dads who want to do right for their children whilst pandering to self serving mother, whilst feckless fathers leave caring mothers to struggle for the basics.

    The Government does not see fit to link CSA demands to Family Court injustice meaning a mother ( most often) will with hold the children so the erroneous organisation sees the mother as a sole carer when, as in my case, this is not always the case with joint residency and shared care as part of what has proved to be a worthless court order yet if they refunded the £35,000 wasted here I could then pay the CSA but from the perspective of a caring and loving dad all be it now deemed ‘absent’ you can’t have it twice yet even on a meager wage they still demand more so you are compelled to take refuge at the JSA,

    Where is our Justice?

    I have learned of 3 suicides by fathers in just this past week due to the unreasonable strain brought on by this inconsistency of Family Court and CSA how many more lives need to be lost before something is done , I changed my campaign title to
    Justice4Children some years ago as it was clear then as it is today nobody gives a damn about Fathers! (they seeming are not that concerned for Children’s justice either especially if they want their dad in their life!)
    By: Clemo from WA, Australia on November 14, 2017 @ 2:24 pm
    I'm a Mom paying child support to my deadbeat of an ex and suffer through all the injustices that paying Fathers do too. Not only do I pay full child support, but I also pay all costs associated with clothing, schooling, general upkeep (haircuts etc)associated with my boys as their Dad just takes the money and looks after himself.
    CSA are NO help. All you can do is suck it up until the kids are old enough so that you don;t need to pay enymore......and if your ex is anything like mine, they'll apply for the over 18 child support too for the 4 months it takes my eldest to finsh school.....just gotta laugh!
    By: Neil from NSW, Australia on October 29, 2017 @ 9:49 pm
    Hi Guys, I have been paying child support for the last 4 years religiously even though I haven't seen my son for the last 3 years. His mother abducted him and took him overseas to her parents. Now I am planning to go to another country for good. Do I still have to pay the child support even if none of us will be in Australia? Cheers
    By: Nate from TAS, AUS on October 29, 2017 @ 7:14 pm
    My partner is just about to be dragged through this bullshit and we both feel stressed and absolutely terrible about what might happen.

    For starters, he's paid for legal aid to try get even just a little bit more time with his kids. Now he's in debt, doesn't earn much and is only allowed 4 hours a fortnight to see the kids.
    I'm unemployed but looking for work, hopefully one paying well enough that I can help him.
    We're super worried that this is going to go horribly wrong anyway because simply put, he's a man. A father who has been poorly accused and been made to jump through burning hoops but still just a human being.

    Imagine what this is doing to his poor kids!??? I never wanted children so much until I met him and now I want to protect them !
    By: Fitzy from WA, Australia on October 28, 2017 @ 8:10 pm
    Hi everyone
    Need some advice if you can respond it would be great
    I religiously have paid child support for my 14 & 16 year old until I was made redundant in late May 2017. Since then I haven't seen my kids as apparently they refuse to come now ( coincides with me not paying maintenance ) as this has happened before 2 years ago when the same thing happened
    My question is two fold?
    1. Do I still have to pay full child support ( based on zero care ) even if I have family court orders stating I'm supposed to get 35% care or 128 nights per annum? If so, This would mean on earning $160K (she earns $80K ) according to CSA Calculator I would have to pay her $2900 per month? Is that right? Since when do kids cost this per month?
    2. What can I do to reduce this as going through family court resulted in me being told to go to family councilling! This woman has totally damaged my relationship with my kids for years - any advice great fully received
    By: Mike from WA, Aust on October 24, 2017 @ 5:20 pm
    To Mick
    I went through all the avenues to fight same scenario. Reason 8, no good, CS help australia, cost me 1k for them to make a phone call and write a letter, no good. Administrative Tribunal with overwhelming evidence and the csa law on my side....still lost. I now just cop the fact the ex left a well paid job to start own business and claims under thresh hold every year, 26k and doubled my payments. She apparently can afford to renovate a house and adding 2 extra rooms and private schooling on this income. The AAT female judge èven tried to coax her to claim more school fees from me during initial 3 way phone interview. It was then I knew I was up against it even before the hearing date. My wife and I after trying every avenue for a fair and equitable outcome, have now resigned to live with it and be happy rather than stress. The system enables vindictive and greedy mothers to use the system. Unfortunately, all the great things like camp trips and holidays I used to do with my sons have now ceased due to affordability. Cheers AAT, good luck dads.
    By: Don from NSW, Australia on October 23, 2017 @ 7:20 am
    To Mick. Also look at "Child Support(assessment)Act" section 117 (7B) CS must follow this as well as the courts
    By: Don from NSW, Australia on October 23, 2017 @ 7:14 am
    to Mick.A Change of Assessment for reason 8 "earning Capacity" see Child Support Guides 2.6.14 "Although a parent's most recent taxable income is used in the child support formula, the Registrar can look beyond the parent's taxable income when considering an application for a change of assessment. Income, earning capacity, property and financial resources which do not necessarily form part of a parent's taxable income can be added to or excluded from a child support assessment (Carey and Carey (1994) FLC 92-489)." ALSO note that WA CS can be different than the rest of AUSTRALIA so check that out. ( or phone me see entry just below" Don
    By: Mick from WA, Australia on October 23, 2017 @ 4:56 am
    Hi, I have a 12yo child that I have shared care (50/50) of with my ex. She was until recently a retail manager on 75K and my CSA payments were approx 400/month which was manageable. I just got a message from CSA advising me that her income is now estimated to be 35K and my payments will now be 800/month. Is this legal, or am I expected to pick up the slack because she chooses to cut down her hours and work part time. Is there any recourse for this? Are there any agencies that can help with challenging the change of assessment or am I on my own? Any advise would be appreciated.
    1790. By: Bk6210 from Wa, Australia on October 22, 2017 @ 7:00 pm
    Andrew go through change of assessment, CSA can add the flights to your costs, read the change of assessment process.
    By: Andrew Cashin from Qld, Australia on October 22, 2017 @ 8:52 am
    Hi All I relate to all of you as I am in a similar situation. Currently CSA take half my weekly income to give to an ex who has not worked for at least 15 years. Why would she when she draws a wage from me. The downside is the court order says I have to pay for flights if I want to see my kids which is supposed to be one weekend a month. I have not seen my kids for 10 months as I cannot afford the CSA payments and 1000 bucks a month for flights. You are all right CSA and the law don't give a shit about the kids.
    By: Don from NSW, Australia on October 21, 2017 @ 2:51 pm
    to Jason i have been thru this . have some good information. look at march 8 entry below for contact. don
    By: Prefer not to say from Prefer not to say, Australia on October 15, 2017 @ 2:22 am
    Hi Jason sounds like you need help challenging that. If you are being hit up for that much you would be better off paying money to that child support company that assists you in challenging csa assessments. I can't see how on that income even if your ex had 100% custody you would pay that much. You need to get onto it quickly, you have a timeframe to object in.
    By: Jason from Wa, Australia on October 10, 2017 @ 11:44 pm
    This is my first year of paying child support, I earned $39000.00 they want $22000.00, I have no idea why, no idea how this can happen , I'm thinking about getting rid of my assets hide my money in the back yard and never work again, I may be broke but at least I'll be happy, what can child support do about this.
    By: Ian King from Qld, Australia on October 10, 2017 @ 3:24 pm

    Like many on this forum, I have had a terrible experience at the hands of the CSA.

    I would like to see the Change of Assessment process changed or abolished, as it currently gives the CSA far to much power to arbitrarily set the paying parents Income, and therefore Child Support Amount.

    There is anecdotal evidence that 21 fathers take their own lives each week as a result of these rulings, however nothing seems to change.

    It is my belief that if concrete evidence supports these statistics, government would be more inclined to change the process.

    To this end I have contacted the data department at the CSA and asked them to provide me with the deceased statistics for the past 3 years, specifically with regard to parents undergoing COA, review or AAT processes.

    The CSA is prepared to supply the report, but have quoted me a figure of $7,000 to perform the work. Which I do not have.

    Is anybody on this forum aware of any Not for Profit organizations that could asdist with this ?

    By: nicole henderson from qld, Australia on September 30, 2017 @ 7:05 am
    i have had to deal with CSA for nearly 20 years and my only opinion was to help set up a group for uncensored feedback from parents that have been dictated to by CSA and /or are in the family court . time to reform this legislation .¬if_id=1506698528842010¬if_t=group_activity
    By: Mary from Vic, Anstralia on September 19, 2017 @ 7:30 pm
    @sharron, they have over stated my husbands capacity to earn to 105k, when he actually earns 43k as a chef, has for 4 years and has submitted tax returns every year. He pays well over 1/3 of his income to his ex, even though he has 50% care of his kids. So has $440 a week to live on whist she has over $800. There is nothing he can do about it. The stress it causes him is ridiculous. My heart goes out to anyone who is treated this babka by CSA.
    By: Sharron from Qld, Australia on September 19, 2017 @ 2:35 pm
    CSA have estimated that my partners income is higher than what it actually is (based on income from 2 yrs ago). They are expecting him to pay 50% of his current wages to his 16yr old son. How can a 16yr old boy have more expenses that his father??
    it's so frustrating and so unfair that once it's on paper their response is - sorry sir you need to pay, we can work out a payment arrangement but that will cost you an additional $40 a month.
    Yeap, thanks for that. Try and do the right thing and you get to live on the bones of your ass for the next 12mths until you catch up on your own expenses.
    By: Cathy from Nsw, Audtralia on September 18, 2017 @ 9:43 pm
    I'd just like to remind people it is not just men that lay child support . Women pay too.
    My ex has full care of our 15 year old. Who is mostly alienated from me . I left the man because I was was not happy being the bread winner with him working very little. Now I have my 18 year d who I support and oY full amount for 15 year old . So he wins again. At the end of the day with his low income , my child support and family tax he will have a bigger income than me .
    Oh and did I mention he inherited money that doesn't count in the assessment
    So I feel your pain boys .
    1780. By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on September 17, 2017 @ 7:40 am
    Dear wifeofagoodman ,
    My ex does the same thing. She normaly works for 1.5 to 2 years max at her max " capacity to earn" ,but I'm paying the top amount to her cause its based on her centerlink income, because she does her tax return after she quits/looses her job. I have given csa her employers information etc. And they do nothing with it and don't demand back pay from her cause by the time she does her tax return she is back on centerlink and they wont recover the money from her cause she is on centerlink benefits.
    You must remember its a bullshit barbaric system designed to devide and conquer and create hatred amongst people.
    The cs formula should be the mothers "capacity to earn" ×2- (self support for mother/father ) ×18% (one child) ÷2= what father should pay.
    And it should be for the whole time of the cs payments.
    Yeah she may choose to stay on centerlink her whole life but at least you paid exactly half for the support of your child and it will eliminate a lot of the bullshit.
    Revolution dreaming.
    By: Wifeofagoodman from NSW, Australian on September 13, 2017 @ 7:11 pm
    Hi Gentlemen,
    I am the wife of a very good man who regularly and religiously pays his monthly child support, based on assessments for both he and his ex/wife. Recently his ex-wife accepted a well paid full time job (approx $65k per annum) which is great, but she is refusing to declare this to CSA, which according to their guidelines is omitting to declare a change of income, while still receiving the full CS amount based on assessments calculated 4 years ago - surely this is fraud. We have reported this numerous times to CSA but it falls on deaf ears. We are incredibly frustrated!

    What are the repercussions if he stops paying CS? Does she need to get a court order to garnish his wage? Willl there be additional financial penalties? We simply want to shock his former wife to stop "double-dipping " and get justice.

    Welcome your thoughts and experience.

    By: seveprim from QLD , Australia on September 12, 2017 @ 4:22 pm
    I have been on the system with 2 kids for over 20 years the last year coming up. For a long time I thought the way to win this is to use their(government rules) not by trying to change the so call CSA rubbish but using so called tax exempt bodies such a church.

    So here is my plan in short we start a new church(Church of BS as I am not reliegous) but will use the rules

    Where by you donate all you income to it .... then we have a so call Mass(prey metting) and say "Dave" donated $500 we pray for Dave to have his rent/food/car paid for.... the church then makes a mercy payment to all Dave's need... Now this system would pay no tax as the churches are tax exempt ... Dave would personally claim a small income say $18000 a year to and show he is working this will keep the CSA wolves at bay... ie Dave pays a minimum amount per year to the CSA( or a lot less then he would without his generosity to the Church of BS.

    Hitches ...
    1. More then likely you would have to work for the Church of BS
    IE the Church invoices your normal paycheck to the employer... the church then employs you and work cover and so on...
    You would need renegotiate with your current employer this way the church dictates your income to CSA mongrels.

    I think most bosses would think it be ok if not you move on to another job.

    2. Probably need an ordain priest to run it to legitimizes the church. Remember we are not trying to break laws but use the current laws against the BS system.

    3. Critical mass... we need x amount of members to make it all work....
    No Gov is going to say it is not real ... ie we must believe in making the payment and receiving help from the lord...(remember I am not religious) but if I received help with all my bills paid ... I might believe.

    The beauty about this system is that not a thing the Gov could do about it unless the churches/charities where attacked... And no Gov would dare do that...

    By: grant neale from South Australia, Australia on September 10, 2017 @ 7:22 pm
    Hey Guys

    Im in the same boat as most of you dealing with CSA and the courts, im a fairly level headed bloke when it comes to this crap we deal with, if you are thinking on how to change things then you need to get behind your computers and start typing, i mean emails to politicians, emails to the DSS (Department of social services) they are the governing body on the legislation which creates this system. If all of us type our realistic problems without abuse :) then things will change. Dont be afraid to write to Pollies, i wrote an email to a conservative pollie and had a reply email in less than an hour with another reply to come and speak with him 3 days later. Just keep cool headed and think straight and keep it to realistic problems and it will work.
    Im no expert im just a normal tradie!
    By: John from WA, Australia on September 7, 2017 @ 11:12 am
    People, I read so many stories about the dealings with CSA on forums like this and realise that they are only a very small percentage of what is actually happening. What to do?
    You must learn to help yourselves.
    If you are dealing with CSA then you must learn to play the game. Understand the rules of the game and the end goals. An analogy is like playing the game of AFL football. CSA is a professional team that knows the rules and can even bend or change the rules when it suits them. They practise all the time and have huge resources to get what they want. We are the other team that have wandered onto the oval, unorganised and as individuals are not a cohesive team. We have limited resources and do not know the rules of the game but must play anyway. You my think you know what is going on but in fact you do not. Even blind Freddie can see the outcome of this game. If you do not understand the players and the game then you will never understand why you are in the position that you are. Your aim should be to take back some control of the game and your life.

    Know your opponents and what they actually want. CSA is a faceless bureaucratic machine that has no interest what so ever in you, your ex or your children's welfare. They do not care if you are broke or hungry or living in your car. They only have one goal and that is to reduce the amount of money that the government has to pay out in social services payments. The more you pay the less they pay.

    The rules of the game are very convoluted and I doubt anyone knows them all. Your aim should be to get an understanding of the rules that apply to your situation. They are all on the internet but you must dig to find them then try to understand them. Reading forums can help but also cause confusion. Many have their own ideas on what should happen but are in actual fact wrong. CSA are quite happy the rules are complicated because then when you give up out of frustration they have won the game. Taking back some control of this game takes a large amount of effort and time at first. It may involve great changes in your life but as with everything else you do you only get out what you are prepared to put into it. It is your life and only you can do something about it. Screaming at and abusing CSA is like pissing into the wind. The only person covered in piss is you. Concern yourself with the things that you can change and do not get hung up on the things that you cannot change. It is not an overnight fix and I suspect most will not even bother. For those that do though there is the reward of a more stable life that you now have some control over.

    Remember you are the foundation of your life. You are the most important one. Do what you need to do to survive and be strong. Everything else comes after this.
    By: scott from nsw, australia on September 6, 2017 @ 11:12 pm
    can any father who works in a business and is being overcharged by the government for child support
    Can I get deductions because I am buying goods and items including truck to carry on with my business
    Child support payments it overwhelming me and I am having trouble carrying on earning a living can anyone help me with
    kind regards
    By: Mark Harold from Vic, Aust. on September 6, 2017 @ 8:55 pm
    The mantra of such agencies like CSA, many lawyers and corporations alike is to LIE, DENY & DECEIVE us. Let me repeat this for posterity -- LIE, DENY & DECEIVE. There is no real transparency or accountability. It's all a sham! The environment we are forced to live in is SICK, real SICk, which in turn makes us, our wives and our kids SICk. Everyone must be aware of any commercial agreement they enter into seeking FULL DISCLOSURE and put your own terms and termination clauses in during the formation of any such agreement. You just can't rely on the bogus legal system and consumer law to help us! I hope people can hear this message.
    By: Tom from NSW, Australia on September 6, 2017 @ 4:38 pm
    I got a $3500 lawyer bill and I rang CSA who told me they would NOT take my $3500 tax refund if I lodged my tax return while my assessment was under review. So I lodged it and they took the lot! They are lying underhand fucking idiotic scum of the earth thieving unconscionable cunts. They are absolutely destroying my life. They know nothing about my life but give all my money to my useless ex. The divorce industry is one of the most damaging things in our society!
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on September 5, 2017 @ 5:35 pm
    Hi to all paying parents.
    Just a thought provoking comment i would like to make.
    If a small homosexual lobby representing a tiny minority of homosexuals can force the gov tards to force us to accept their bogus marriage plebiscite and votes etc etc, to add wasting tax payers money on it.
    Then why cant the huge amount of people,father's groups ,church groups? , suicide statistics ,letters,various surveys and constant outcry by the fathers of this nation ....make any difference to this barbaric family flaw/child support crime syndicate?
    Revolution dreaming.
    By: Grant from sa, australia on September 2, 2017 @ 3:19 pm
    Dennis, i had a verbal agreement with my ex, which i never lived with thank god! after some arguments she went to child support and asked them to get the money, to date im very sure i have not signed any formal agreement.
    1770. By: Allison from Vic, Australia on August 30, 2017 @ 8:02 pm
    I have written comments on here over the years l went through this crap as my partner who has 2 kids to a piece of work that was trying to keep up with everything she was trying to drink Champagne when she could only afford water. Fathers please stay strong you will not have this grief forever although it feels like it my heart goes out to you all. l am a woman with 2 young adults and l can tell you l had kids as l love them and not to bleed all the life out of the father till he has no life and no money. Take care and remember one day the money stops when they are 18 OMG she have to actually work then.
    By: Dave Williamson from Qld, Australia on August 30, 2017 @ 1:38 pm
    basically if you ex has kids and decides to claim through the CSA and you don't have 50/50 custody you are screwed. even if you have 50/50 and you earn more than her they will still take money from you. she can not go to work and get paid more by you.

    the system allows the wife to take your kids and your money and reward them for it.

    The system is so screwed and they wonder why Fathers lose the plot kill them selves or others, i know if it wearn't for my now new wife i wouldn't be on this planet.

    if you are going to lawyers and she is taking you for everything you are best to just give it to her you will fight and fight and pay your lawyer tens of thousands of dollars only to lose it all anyway don't get a lawyer they are all just in it for money.

    i am over my situation and its been over 3 years.

    id like to say it gets better and eventually you'll move on but that aint the truth you will never recover from this and you will miss out on your kids growing up and be financially ruled by CSA, unless you are one of the lucky few that have an ex that is reasonable and you can keep CSA out and work it out between you.

    Yes you should pay to help raise your kids but it should be dictated to you how to do that.
    By: garret k lavigne from fl, pasco on August 30, 2017 @ 2:02 am

    In Accordance with Federal Rule 5(b)(2) which states the following in regard to service of documents:
    (2) Service in General. A paper is served under this rule by:
    (A) handing it to the person;
    (B) leaving it:
    (i) at the person's office with a clerk or other person in charge or, if no one is in charge, in a conspicuous place in the office; or
    (ii) if the person has no office or the office is closed, at the person's dwelling or usual place of abode with someone of suitable age and discretion who resides there;
    (C) mailing it to the person's last known address—in which event service is complete upon mailing;
    (D) leaving it with the court clerk if the person has no known address;
    (E) sending it by electronic means if the person consented in writing—in which event service is complete upon transmission, but is not effective if the serving party learns that it did not reach the person to be served; or
    (F) delivering it by any other means that the person consented to in writing—in which event service is complete when the person making service delivers it to the agency designated to make delivery.

    The undersigned being duly sworn, deposes and says:
    _________________________________________ is not the party to the action, is over 18 years of age and resides at__________________________________[please write complete address]
    That on________________________________[date of service], deponent served the within_________________________________[name of documents served] upon ______________________________[Complete address where other party/corporation served]
    ____ [Check or ‘X’] Service by Mail: by depositing a true copy of the aforesaid documents in a postpaid properly addressed envelope in a post office or official depository under the exclusive care and custody of the United Postal Service.


    Sworn to before me this ______________________
    Day of _____________________

    By: Dan from NSW, Australia on August 26, 2017 @ 2:51 pm
    CSA violates Fathers (mainly) rights and allows separated parents to hold the non-custodian/care giver at ransom to gain access to their children.

    I have been completely alienated from my child after a custody battle that left me with absolutely no faith in the broken system. When one parent continuously puts there child in dangerous and unhealthy situations and fails to meet even the basic care requirements for their child and alienates the other parent completely. CSA and the courts don't care so long as the maternal mother retains custody.

    We men are victims only due to the fact we do not give birth to the child. The fact that child support has a blanket approach to child support and more recently more power to violate our right to support our children is outrageous.

    I hope by writing here I can at least add a small amount of help to make things fairer and stop PAS and using kids as pawns for ill gotten gain
    By: Mark from Vic, Australia on August 20, 2017 @ 11:26 am
    By: Garret Lavigne from Florida, United States on August 18, 2017 @ 12:47 am
    You know child support itself is a corrupt system when it becomes a collection agency demanding money for back payment of money that you never signed for this system is so corrupt that it now has the right to take away your driver's license and cost you Financial harm which the 14th Amendment under the Constitution says this corrupt system cannot operate 4D title is a government-issued system We the People need to really get together and get rid of this corrupt extortion pipe systems the only reason they keep up what they do is because our governor Congressman senators and lawmakers pass illegal laws violate and the 14th Amendment if we got together and thought as a country we would win like I said the corrupt system needs to be stopped we the people need to stop it
    By: Benny from qld, aust on August 17, 2017 @ 5:07 pm
    YEP to gov/public servants contact details being made public. Otherwise what could she be hiding? YEP intimidation is what they use.. many think they are so important & their shit don't stink.
    By: Berto Ortiz from Qld, Australua on August 17, 2017 @ 10:44 am
    I managed to obtain Lorna Andrews- national manager for DHS phone number/ email. Needless to say she was surprised/ pussed off that someone could contact her direct number.
    LOL, shoe on the other foot. She immediately said she has a number of AVO' s against certain individuals which I took as a threat.

    Contact number is (07) 3551 5771.
    By: gary from Qld, Australia on August 10, 2017 @ 7:34 pm
    Angus do not let your partner pay a cent to CSA it is not her duty. as to the debt that will grow on you but if you are not earning money there is no way they can make you pay a cent I think.. it goes off what you earn and if that is zero than the payments is zero. this may cause issues with the x but again if you have no income well what can they do. do not let your now partner pay a cent. this is the way I would deal with it but you look at the act about CS and study it.
    By: Angus from Vic, Australia on August 10, 2017 @ 4:19 pm

    Hi All
    In may 2016 I had an operation, the results were not good, July I had a second operation still mending but looking promising. The company I worked for restructured in late June 2016 and I took advantage of Redundancy as I was not going to be able to return to work or the same type of work. My Wife has a well paid job so we were able to manage financially. Tight but we get by. I paid maintenance as long as my redundancy lasted.
    However even though I have to date paid my maintenance to my ex wife on time every time the CSA want more.
    As I don't work I have NO income, I have not signed on at Centre Link as me and my wife joint income makes us ineligible. Yet the CSA want maintenance, when I ask where from they suggest the Wife pays it. This goes down like a lead ballon.

    I can either ignore the payment which to be fair are very unjust and go into debt or seperate from my wife become single sign on at Centre Link and screw the system.

    We used to have my daughter ever other weekend and half the school holidays until she turned 13, the increase in maintenance caused issues and when looked in to my wife released that, yes we get a reduction in maintenance for every other weekend but half school holidays nothing. My wife sees this as double dipping by my ex wife. We look after her half the school holidays and pay the ex wife for the pleasure on top of the costs at home. Once realised this stopped my wife will no longer have Rose on school holiday. I feel stuck in the middle as is my daughter The CSA are to blame for this. I can see my wife position its hard to argue with, if I do it causes problems.

    The CSA are not looking after he child's best interests, they are minimising the payments centre link have to make in my opinion.

    Im considering taking legal again against centre link but fighting the system even for a just cause looks very daunting.

    Sorry for the rant.


    1760. By: Ashy from Nsw, Australia on August 9, 2017 @ 10:37 pm
    Hi all
    I'm one of them dad that I say yes for all what
    The want to take from me.
    Today I received latter from her lower asking
    To show all my asset pool so the can take it from me
    I don't know what to do
    By: gary from Qld, Australia on August 8, 2017 @ 2:47 pm
    I have been dealt a serious blow, and I don't know what to do about it. In 2016 I decided to try and start a business, and to GOV was pushing people to get out and have a go, I did not generate a cent from the business at all and I spent a lot to get up and going which leaves me here. Out of that money I paid GST on the purchases I made and was relying on it to pay my credit card off, but out of the $10 000 that were GST credits over $8000 was intercepted and stolen and I am almost crippled financially because of it. I have a mortgage I have a business overdraft account maxed out 20K credit card maxed out 5k and zero savings I put everything I could to get up and running am now screwed and I cant even pay for an add to get more business. if someone can help with legal advice but I cant pay, the only way I can see it would be to sell up and give the dream and go on new start.
    By: dennis from vic, australia on August 7, 2017 @ 4:51 pm
    Grant, have any payments been made to CSA? If not request a copy of any agreement or contract, in writing. If none appears after a few weeks, send them a reminder notice. ie. failing receipt of proof of any contract within 14 days, it will be deemed that none exists. Once establishing no contract, you can follow up with cease and desist notice on any correspondence with threats of costs and legal action if they fail to stop as any such demands could be deemed a form of harassment with intent to menace, at the very least.
    By: grant from SA, Australia on August 7, 2017 @ 1:14 pm
    I have one question, if i have not entered or signed any formal agreement with CSA, does this mean i do not pay child support even though the CSA send me assesment letters?
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