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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Jake from NSW, australia on July 21, 2016 @ 12:09 am
    Hi all, i am hoping someone can help.
    I have been paying child support every fortnight for 6+ years, never behind in payments. While I was with the ex she never worked, likewise now. Two years ago the ex moved away, 10 hours drive away. Subsequently the care percentage changed, I see them only for half school holidays, so therefore I ended up paying even more in CS. Ex is now pregnant which will effectively rule her out of the workforce indefinitely. My partner and I are at wit's end, we have two small children between us and can barely provide for them !
    I'm not self employed, on a salary. Is there legit ways I can lower my adjusted taxable income (salary sacrifice?) so I can save $$ that will be spent on all my children when they are in my care !!
    Thanks and regards.
    By: Mike from Vic, Aust on July 20, 2016 @ 8:53 pm
    Check out Pauline hansens one nation policies.

    She wants to pull apart the family court of injustice and the csa.
    On our issues I fully support her stance here as she recognises many of the injustices perpetratated against fathers in this current system.

    We should all send her an email of what we have been through and encourage her fight in this draconian area of government.
    Office@onenation.com.au

    By: Bruce from Qld, Australia on July 20, 2016 @ 7:57 pm
    Bruce if nothing else, im sure you can understand why statistically 21 fathers every week suicide over this issue.

    No you cant sue for parental alienation. It is child abuse yes, but there has never been a single case of prosecution. The only law governing this issue is the law of karma. Trust in that.

    So what can you do? Nothing. Sit on the sideline and hope to have a great relationship with your long lost son starting on his 18th birthday.

    If you fight the system you will be financially and emotionally bankrupt. Better to keep some sanity and look after number one.

    Keep it real.
    By: Mathew Innes from WA, Australia on July 19, 2016 @ 11:45 pm
    We need action we are being destroyed by rebellious men hating women who hide behind a week and insipid government.this one sided domestic violence campaign is a smoke screen to truth. the truth is that women are just as evil as men in there placation of themselves and their search for God like status in this country. its got to stop and we need balance and reality to come back to australian society.

    can someone tell me is there any real fight occurring in the parliament or on the streets for reduction in CSA powers. Also what about the enforcement of a presumption of equal rights and access to children. Is there any proposals for ex's to be fined for not encouraging visits and denying access.
    Also can i sue for lost involvement in my sons life and post traumatic stress disorder from not being able to have access to my son. is there a lawyer willing to take on such issue. Also the invasion of privacy by the CSA into your finances and the fact that we have to do all the work for them.

    I want action i have not seen my son for 4 years, i have been rejected by him and her family who are not lawyers, psychologists, counsellors or any other trained professional have brainwashed him and i want justice for all men who are persecuted for just being men!!!

    Down the CSA, Down with Ex's who need to grow up. Equal Rights to all for access
    By: J Jones from Tasmania, Australia on July 15, 2016 @ 12:08 am
    Erin
    My partners lazy ex doesn't work either. And she has made it clear she doesn't want to. He has his daughter (shes 6) the same amount of time since they broke up. That hasn't decreased at all. The only thing that has changed is that we had a child together. I can't make sense of it...that the amount he has to pay has increased. He rings up about various things and each person has something different to say. We were planning to have another kid but we are to scared to lol.
    By: Erin from NSW, Australia on July 14, 2016 @ 10:58 am
    J Jones I'm in the same boat as you with a husband who pays CS to an ex. I'm a 13 year veteran of this crap now and the reasons he would have to pay more would be either because a) one of his kids he pays for has turned 13, b) the ex wife is earning less (this one never affects us because our lazy sow has never worked) or b) they have decided he has his kids less/never compared to before.

    If it's none of those things then the amount he pays should definitely not have increased.
    By: robin from New South Wales, australia on July 14, 2016 @ 9:48 am
    kim
    my x did the same has 3 companys in his name ( all making money ) and csa still say he doesnt work but when he takes the kids i get a letter from csa telling me i have to pay him because he has to support them while he has care wtf i have 360 days a yr and dont get a red cent from him or any help from csa
    By: J Jones from Tasmania, Australia on July 13, 2016 @ 8:00 pm
    My partner pays child support and although it has nothing to do with me, I am getting frustrated. He gave them his income estimate last year and they told him to pay $250 a month. We had a child together in December, he called them to let them know and he was told he only had to pay $212 a month. He called up a over a week ago to give them his new income estimate (same amount as last year) and was told he had to pay $253 a month. Then a few days ago, he gets mail which said he had to pay $303 a month. He called to ask what was going on and apparently that is what he has to pay. On top of all that, they back dated from last financial year and has to pay over $400 in arrears. After they were the ones that told him he only had to pay $250. They have just made life even harder for us. It seems we can't have any luxurious or enjoy life because they are always ringing up demanding more and more money. We are struggling enough and im not entitled to any parenting payment or anything because my partner earns to much. Been trying to find a job but with only one car, its hard to find anything local. We don't know what else to do. What is even more stupid is, he was earning more money and paying less child support at his last job and now earning less and paying more child support at his new job. Work that one out
    1270. By: Kim from Nsw, Australia on July 12, 2016 @ 8:00 pm
    CSA are crap and yes they dont discriminate when it comes to male's or females.I raised my son for 16 yrs with minimum payments from his father $15 a month. Ive always worked and supported my son with no help from centerlink either.recently my son has gone to live with his dad and i get a letter from CSA telling me that my sons father has asked them to collect payments from me $100 a week. I asked them where is that fair Ive raised my son all his life with no help from him and now I'm being screwed over. Not only the asshole father takes my boy away and fills his head with crap he also wants to take my hard earned money.my sons father has his own company but he rides everything off as a loss to drematicaly reduced his tax for childsupport purposes.
    By: Maynard b from Nsw, Au on July 9, 2016 @ 1:49 am
    IT CAN BE DONE!!!
    I do NOT repeat DO NOT PAY child support any more!!
    I have ceased to pay child support COMPLETELY!
    I did it by doing the following:
    • working for cash
    •dropping off the internet/seemingly disappearing from the planet
    •putting my car into my fathers name and listing myself infrequent driver
    • having no bank accounts and no assets ***on Paper***

    I'm currently living the life (seriously!) financially. I buy clothes and food and gadgets whenever I feel like it because I HAVE THE MONEY to do so! I take annual holidays overseas and eat out at expensive restaurants and enjoy really good drink. I enjoy them because I deserve them AND SO DO YOU csa PAYERS!

    It angers me that my kids are withheld and I won't pay when I have no contact with them (yes I've been to court, yes I've paid for a lawyer, yes she withheld anyway, yes I took her back, yes the same thing happened, yes I ran out of money and energy) BUT I will never be forced to pay again.

    You can successfully stop paying without a spellcaster *cough* BS artist
    By: Rob from WA, Australia on July 7, 2016 @ 3:35 am
    Allison, your response to Thom is spot on. I am a victim of this myself. Had a private agreement paying the ex what the CSA advised then when she decided she wanted more she opted "In" to have CSA collect and basically even though my bank records show auto payment ammounts of what the CSA were prescribing how could i "prove" it was for child support??
    Then to rub salt in the ex went for money out of my redundancy after i got laid off and got herself a nice little $9k back payment(after id been out of qwork for 9 months i might add!!) Fu*k me i got done over again. The CSA are simply corrupt and do not investigate at all.
    By: Herman Boitze from WA, Australia on July 6, 2016 @ 8:57 pm
    So I recently received a letter from csa my girlfriend opened it I'm sure I told her to return sender anyways it was saying please don't forget to lodge your tax so we can make sure you are paying the correct amount of child support. What a load of bs! It's more like so we can make sure we take your whole tax and pay these unwanted bs arrears that magically come up yet I never miss a payment keep me sending your letters csa your not getting shit from me
    By: Allison from Vic, Australia on July 6, 2016 @ 7:18 pm
    This comment is for Thom I just wanted to mention that at anytime your ex wife can contact CSA and inform them that she has not received payments you will then be taken to the cleaners for future child support and any back pay the CSA thinks you owe (sorry to dampen your excitement). My husbands ex wife said the same thing then a year later came back wanting to strip him of every penny even though he was paying her privately before this time.
    By: john greenwood from vic, australia on July 6, 2016 @ 2:00 pm
    the only way men can get a fair deal, is for all people paying child support to stop and pay no more until such time as this broken system is mended and men are treated with the dignity they deserve.
    By: robin from New South Wales, australia on July 4, 2016 @ 12:55 pm
    all men r assholes
    Im not 1 of those women u speck about
    i dont even receive a red cent of csa payments
    And if there was a site for those women to go on to down grade men like this site then i would be on it
    Its not only the male who gets ripped of by the system its females as well. Change CSA rules u have to change the family law first
    By: Thom from Na, Australia on July 3, 2016 @ 10:13 pm
    My ex wife promised me during our divorce that if I "leave them alone and just disappear" then she "won't claim child support". I haven't seen or spoken to my ex wife or my kids in just under 2 years. Just last week I got a call from csa out of the blue telling me that I don't need to pay them because my ex and I have our own arrangement now and I just agreed with it not knowing what else to do. I no longer have to pay csa out of my paycheck. I'm relieved I can get my life back on track because I've really been struggling these last few years since we split up. Spose if this s*** is for real it's time I start moving forward with my life and wait until my children are 18 then make contact with them again. I'm sad that I have to wait so long but I've been prevented from establishing a true and meaningful relationship with my kids anyway so it's better that it'll be on our terms when theyre 18 and not on my ex's terms like it would be now.
    Does this mean I beat the csa and they won't call me again EVER? If so then woah I can finally breathe normal again
    By: Mike from Vic, Aust on July 3, 2016 @ 9:38 pm
    Hi - all men are assholes + members

    I fully agree with you.

    Every opportunity I get to talk to young men I advise them of all the pitfalls of having children in this country and what they face when it turns to shit.

    I emplore all men on this site to do the same because the only winning move for men here is NOT to have children.

    Advise them,
    Never trust a women, don't take it for granted when she says she's on the pill that she really is. Go to the doctors and ask for the male pill for yourself. An injection once every 3 weeks stops the production of sperm and is reversible when you come of it.

    But in this country why would you take the risk?
    By: Herman Boitze from WA, Australia on July 2, 2016 @ 10:04 pm
    I've decided too no more contact with csa they can all kiss my butt I will not be saying anything to my daughter about stuff and if x has a problem then too bad I'm not saying or giving her shit too she's the reason this is happening if she really didn't need my money why not agree to go private? No more! And csa no more ringing them, no more answering their calls, no more receiving their mail I'm going to return to sender, no more lodging my taxes, no more no more enough is enough. If I get in the shit I will let you all know what happens to me. But for now it's about time I get on and enjoy life I deserve it so do all of you.
    1260. By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on July 2, 2016 @ 12:37 pm
    Hi to all paying parents. Csa/family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new"stolen generation " and creating "domestic violence ".
    Greg, there is a country song out there " men don't have to die to go to hell".
    Been thorough a bit myself, same shit that everyone else talks about here.
    It all goes back to Whitlam who made the no fault divorce shit we have now,yet you make a sworn oath on the marriage act, which means nothing if one chooses to brake it ,by cheating for example. Coupled with awarding the majority of the assets and children + cs to the woman, then why do you think we have domestic violence? How can we fight when we dont know who to fight? This was all designed by those judas goats to destroy the family , the agenda is political correctness, homosexual marriage, environment, equality (to some),feminism etc. These ideologies are gripping the world, and how didthey just come about? Through the bees ppollination? No they are well financed by the Judas goats.
    By: All men are assholes from qld, australia on July 2, 2016 @ 9:38 am
    Well robin i can understand your concern with my comments if you have daughters they stand to loose out on financial gain and early retirement if men won't marry . Secondly no one likes to hear the truth about themselves especially women i don't mind being the brave one . Feel free to read other comments submitted on this site they all tell the same story . Your use of bold type to ram home your opinion and the fact that your on a site for men and barking at others tells me your most likely one of those women i avoid .
    By: Ben from Nsw, Australia on July 2, 2016 @ 8:35 am
    I have had a really messy split with my ex after catching her cheating. She is really nasty and will do anything to get her own way. She refused to let me take anything from my house, even calling the police when I collected a towball from the garage so I could start my new life, after having for the first time in my life having to get a store credit card to set myself up with the basics like a bed. She threatened to concoct assault charges on me if I didn't give her most of the settlement of our assets, fortunately her story was quickly dismissed by the police. We shared a family business that my ex ran, I was shut out completely. Even to the point of her selling part of the business, lying about it and hiding the money.

    Child Support Australia assessed her income at a few hundred dollars per year, which was obvious to everyone that this was a ridiculous lie. After selling most of the business my ex worked full-time. CSA refused to change the income as I didn't have proof of her employment. Eventually I gathered the evidence and CSA are refusing to backdate any payments. She is still able to hide her commission payments.CSA is a corrupt system run by people who hate men and treat all men as bad fathers. I have lodged a formal complaint, but I have no real say.

    I have spent a tonne on lawyer fees, and have gone nowhere. Last night I picked up my 10year old who abused and screamed at me. His mother continues to use every trick in the book to manipulate the situation. Fortunately my 13yr old has seen through the lies and sees her for what she is.

    CSA not only ruins the lives of Dads, but through its hatred of men, it destroys the lives of children. I agree that I am responsible in part of the costs of raising my kids, but when the kids are viewed as a way of making money by women, as a thing to be manipulated and exploited the system is very wrong.
    By: Mick from QLD, Australia on July 1, 2016 @ 7:37 pm
    Hey just thought id ask, because really i dont know what else to do - has anyone else had CSA use a "provisional" income amount? it happened when i lodged my tax return last year. I was paying based upon my estimate of $50k, then i lodged my tax return which was $52,090 - and now it says my assessment is a provisional $88k wth????

    but it wasnt $88k it was $52,090 and now they have imposed a debt - how can they do this? how do i get it fixed does anyone know? they accept my current year estimate of $55k but, being that the financial year has just closed again i dont want the same thing to happen!
    By: Greg from Sydney NSW, Australia-England on July 1, 2016 @ 3:31 pm
    My apology to bloggers and readers for using the S word

    Many thoughts and feelings distorts one's mind when in a suicidal mood.
    By: Greg from NSW, Australia on June 30, 2016 @ 9:06 pm
    Hey Steve
    Go fuk another slut, if one kicks you out, another will take you in.
    Go live with another bitch, surely one of the other poor bastards here pays her CSA payments too! If so, you can live off her and her ex .

    This is a fucked system, but if you learn to play the game you will smile in no time.

    ******Rules of life******

    Never ever, answer a private call.
    Never ever, talk to CSA.
    Never ever, correspond past your first responce of "What the fuck you talking about".

    Do pay for your children (if they are yours), but not through CSA (keep records).
    Do resist all requests from CSA.
    Do place all CSA mail in the bin or return it to sender.

    Resist this Evil organization at all costs and advise your boys how to avoid this Evil organization.
    CSA causes more deaths than by any other means.
    CSA forces men to their knees then to the grave.

    No politician in Australia has the balls to stand up guys, you/we are on our own..
    Revert to the "never ever rules above guys", we all die eventually, but we dont have to die by CSA rules.

    Hay! maybe Ill see you in hell one day :)



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    By: steve from NSW, Aus on June 24, 2016 @ 11:24 am
    I think it is very unfair that the Court looks at income in awarding a much higher percentage of the assets to the wife- then on top of this- the Child SupportAgency then base your income on Child Support to the wife. She claims she is mentally unwell and cant work so you then have to pay her spousal support. This has now gone on for 5 years.
    On top of this- Child Support say the highest amount of child support ($2500 per month for 2 children) is not enough for school education-so they decide you have to give another $27000 per year for schooling. You have nil choice and if you don't pay them you get the money taken from your bank account.

    I understand that the vulnerable have to be supported- However- they system is not right because the income producer becomes the vulnerable one.

    very hard to start a new life- very hard to date and provide any future- The Court system is not right and then the Child Support System is not fair and equitable
    By: robin from nsw, australia on June 23, 2016 @ 12:54 pm
    ALL MEN ARE ASSHOLES
    I really hope u dont have kids with the way u talk about females please dont pass that onto a male child or any child for that matter.
    Some mums do the right thing by their x ( the childs father )but then again some men can be real pigs to if it comes to that
    Im rasising my 2 kids without the help of their father HIS CHOISE I might add HE WALKED OUT ON THEM I do every thing on my own. Chasing him all the time so the kids can see him but its what he wanted but the kids they want to see him so Im doing everything I can so they can driving 4 hrs just so he can have lunch with them half the time hes late or just dosent turn up as he was to busy. So are females all bad ? BTW Im a working female WITHOUT the help of a CSA payment he cant afford to pay so I dont ask
    By: all men are assholes from qld, australia on June 22, 2016 @ 7:15 pm
    Remember women are the best liars and there is nothing more manipulative cunning or evil than a woman solicitors and judges come second . Once divorced all the miserable fat ugly man haters will do their best to destroy you . Some man haters clubs are Child Support Agency Qld Education Child Services womens help groups and women in the law industry and not limited to these . Hope this helps every young man should talk to a divorced dad . My recommendation for what its worth .
    By: member of all men are assholes from qld, australia on June 21, 2016 @ 8:46 pm
    Do the right thing and warn all young men why they should never marry or have kids
    1250. By: mic from vic, Oz on June 20, 2016 @ 8:33 pm
    Sorry to hear about your husband's health Erin and what you've both been going through. Many others have had hell too and I think its due to a lack of understanding of commercial agreements and contracts, knowing who we are and what CSA are, and as Jay eluded to, one must request proof of any debt obligation. But there is a way to do it. Plus one has to have the belief and persistence to put the time in, ask Q's and research. Worldwide, our agreements must be held sacrosanct and not dishonoured else everything goes to shit, however at the same time they shouldn't be entered into under duress, via coercion or trickery. Most parents are tricked into contracting with 3rd party debt collection agencies like the CSA, Baycorp, D&B etc through suffering emotional obfuscation and lacking knowledge. But it's never too late too learn, understanding who you are and where you stand in relation to the world of fiction, commerce and attempts to obliterate families, fathers and our estates.
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on June 20, 2016 @ 7:06 pm
    Hi to all paying parents.
    The one thing that "might" be worth pushing for with csa/politicians maggots is the amount the csa uses as self support in the formula ,which is like $21thousand!@$#×. This figure is as old as the csa. Rent in most cities is well in the $450++ category,and what about food?,the cost of travel to work etc. The self support amount should be at least 30thousand+ for a WORKING person. And why should my cs go up when the kids turn 13,cause they have more needs? And what about my self support needs??? So as im paying 18% for my son out of my gross income which is like 23% out of my net income,then I'll be pay 23% out of my gross when he is 13 which will really be 26% out of my net.
    So there you go people some interesting figures to ponder about.
    It is worth pushing for an increase in self support.
    Revolution dreaming. ..
    By: Erin from NSW, Australia on June 20, 2016 @ 9:06 am
    My husband has been working himself to death to support his ex who hasn't worked in 16 years (been paying CS for 14). He actually had a heart attack the day last month's CS was due 1.5 weeks ago, so forgive us if that wasn't the biggest priority in our lives at the time. He's had an aggressive call from a CS officer and informed her that he'd had a heart attack and was on bed rest recovering... he just got more and more aggressive posturing from this person once he told her about his health. I am so upset and beside myself that they are hounding him for this money RIGHT NOW in these circumstances. He doesn't need the stress, his health is precarious. Isn't it in their interests that he remains alive and able to pay his bludging ex wife than dead when CS becomes a terminating event? These leeches have no moral compass. I know it's "just a job" to them, but to verbally bulldoze a critically ill man is disgusting. If he dies it will be blood money.
    By: Jay from SA, Australia on June 20, 2016 @ 8:35 am
    Curious.. I'm about to have it out with CSA and have read many posts re requesting a copy of a 'contract' and proof of debt. Does this actually get you anywhere?
    By: Hux from w.a, Australia on June 19, 2016 @ 9:17 am
    Hi I am fkn over all this child support bullshit.they are legal thieves and make up new rules when you stump them on a legality!!! I don't understand why a parent is charged so much for child support and it's on the gross income and then that gross percentage is taken from the net!!!!!so instead of paying tax of 35%+ of wage I end up actually paying 60%+ once added up ..and where is the help for the worker once the job they are in is finished and they are on the street !!!after paying child support at a ridiculous rate for over 13 years and ya just get kicked in the ass again...FCK this agency is the biggest fkn wrought I've ever heard of and to top it off the fkrs keep the late fees for themselves more pay offs to this corrupt fkn govt of ours FCK Them
    By: Chris from Qld, Australia on June 19, 2016 @ 2:10 am
    Hi all,
    Accidentally clicked the submit button, long story short I put in an assessment as I did not believe her income was correctly reflected because she has a part time job and also receives Centrelink payments to the tune of approx $600 per week and Child Support declined the assessment advising that the $18,000 she claimed she was earning per year is correct and they don't take into account Centrelink payments. Has anyone else experience this? If she is receiving approx. $30,000 from Centrelink shouldn't this be considered when calculating my child support?
    By: Lundon from Qld, Aus on June 18, 2016 @ 11:02 am
    I have question re tax if my ex worked part time for 10 months then works under an abn paid by commission and paid no tax on the commission ( spent the money ) how the hell can she claim a lot of deductions to get her income down but pay no net tax . She's told my kids she's getting s big refund to pay them the money back she's owes them . I suspect she might get a tax bill ? Any advise
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on June 17, 2016 @ 2:00 pm
    Hi
    Herman,
    The reason why your x doesn't do her tax returns is because it will reduce the amount she gets from you, my x does hers when she is not working, that way I'm always paying the 100% of the formula. And her previous years that she was working are not used but yours are, so be up to date or you will pay till your kids turn 25. Work for cash as much as possible and keep the bastards
    honest. Dont even think about offsetting your cs by getting another job,unless
    its for cash only, cause if you do it will all be added together, this might push you over into the next tax bracket and increase you cs to the point where you will contemplate self harm or worse.. Remember the key word CASH ONLY.
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on June 17, 2016 @ 10:33 am
    Hi to all paying parents.
    Just wanted to let you all know not to fall into the "dont do your tax lodgment trap".
    If you don't lodge you tax return for a number of years and your kids turn 18 or more, the csa maggots /parasites will hit you with back pay , also you might beearning less now but will be forced to pay on what you earnt back then.
    Better to be up to date with the cs otherwise you'll be paying backpay till your kids are in the late 20ies and guess to who.
    Cause once the cs ends and you own them nothing then you will get true
    justice. And will see how they do it on their own. Revolution dreaming. ..
    By: Herman Boitze from WA, Australia on June 17, 2016 @ 9:26 am
    Thanks Mike so after the school year when they are 18yrs it is done? Cause money craving x will do the same as yours and apply for end of school year. I was reading something about child maintenance after, saying its different from support is that true?
    They've taken 3 of my tax returns in the past saying I'm overdue on payments so I pay all that out to that bitch cause I know my daughter doesn't see a cent but now I get my tax returns and its never the full amount there's always some crap involving arrears etc. I can't even enjoy any of my own hard work I still don't understand why I'm always in arrears when it comes straight out of my pay before I see it. When I speak to their useless csa agents they keep saying sometimes the system isn't quick enough to update which looks like your behind on payments when actually your not. So then I ask them so if I'm actually not behind why in the bloody world are you still stealing from me? Then they give me shit info never helpful. The x dictates when my daughter can see me I always try to have her during holidays birthdays there's always bs that they have plans I can never just set a date and it's all good she's always gotta have the last say. Why do you think she hasn't lodged her taxes? Is she hiding something from csa?
    1240. By: Mike from Vic, Aust on June 17, 2016 @ 8:27 am
    Hi Herman,

    My eldest turned 18 in May and the x applied to have me keep paying child support until the end of his school year so yes, they sent me a letter granting her application for me to keep paying. Mind you, no proof was sent through that he is actually still attending. Rang the school to confirm and was told they can only tell relevant parties and as I was not on their list I was not relevant.

    Relevant enough for csa payments though. More double standards.

    If u don't lodge a tax return csa will increase yr assessed income for $ support arbitrarily. I think it's by 5% but they should have done that to her income for assessment aswell.
    By: Herman Boiszte from WA, AUSTRALIA on June 17, 2016 @ 1:36 am
    So you have to keep paying even when they turn 18yrs? Serious? Been sweating my guts out paying child support just wanna piss this fricken child support off! Im over it! The bloody x hasn't lodged her tax returns in 2 years so this year im not lodging mine stuff them all sick of this unfair crap
    By: garret k lavigne from fl, pasco on June 16, 2016 @ 2:30 am
    I Called THE CONGRESSMAN RICHARD E NEAL IN SPINGFILD MASS. The response was they cannot help me because it is a state issue not a federal issue. But yet they can take my federal license and steal from my bank in other state's Now they want me to call the governor's office to make a complaint to Elizabeth Warren in Boston mass. LET'S SEE WHO PASSES THE BUCK THIS TIME.
    By: Andrew from NSW, AU on June 15, 2016 @ 5:44 pm
    Hi All,

    I do strongly suggest in using your local political member who usually have someone in house to liase with the CSA higher up the food chain than the call centre and complaints group provided you have legitimate complaint that can be supported and not just a grumbling session.

    The local political members keep stats on these things and apparently are legally obliged to respond and act to your queries. I have had better responses using this approach.

    Even if you have no success in your claim then atleast there is another avenue that is aware of the CSA's actions and in big enough numbers it may gain some traction and critical mass.

    Keep a copy of the CSA legislation handy and search for sections that affect your situation. This should ultimately be the CSA's bible and hence must follow it. The frontline CSA staff do not seem to be aware of much of it from my personal experience.

    This is handy online guide but hold the pdf copy handy since I think it may have more detail.

    http://guides.dss.gov.au/child-support-guide

    I share your pain and just want and expect some equality.

    Now I scan all of my CSA dealings with a fine toothed comb since they cannot be trusted and are a debt collection agency foremost and must be treated as such.

    Be strong and focused my friends............
    By: richard from western australia, Australia on June 15, 2016 @ 1:30 pm
    Except from case
    This is a case drawing upon both the supervisory and adjudicative authority of our nation’s highest court to rectify family court processes in the states that “shock the conscience,” Rochin v California, 342 US 165 (1953). Through an unchecked expansion of
    parens patriae
    authority over America’s children, local family judges have been able to abuse equity jurisdiction to invade every aspect of private life. Such power can exceed that exercised by the NSA, IRS and CIA
    By: richard from western australia, Australia on June 15, 2016 @ 11:24 am
    this looks promising wonder if we could get enough support to do similar in Aus
    https://leonkozioljd.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/doctor-lawyer-dentist-and-engineer-join-in-writ-for-father-equality-at-u-s-supreme-court/
    By: Garret Lavigne from Florida, United States on June 14, 2016 @ 5:13 am
    we the American people need to stop the corrupt system in child support we need to protest 2 Congress we the taxpayer pay for these entities are ready through our tax income this would be called double-dipping they do not supply money we the American people pay for this it is our money not theirs this it's extortion
    By: garret k lavigne from fl, pasco on June 14, 2016 @ 5:03 am
    it's hard to fight a corrupt system when you have a corrupt judge on a The bench like MARIA LYON'S The state don't care whether you're guilty or not. All they're in in how is how they can still you money . That is why can call it EXTORTION. it not there money and call it disposable income. I've been refused a DNA test and fair trial for 20+ years I had no right to present any of my evidence that I have. was found guilty with a bogus blood test and was incarcerated for 6-month's 180 DAY'S [ IN THE STATE OF MASS ]
    By: glen b whittaker from nsw, land of the free on June 13, 2016 @ 10:24 pm
    im always happy to pay any radical terrorist extornist organisation,,, just first show me a lawful f*ckin contract
    By: Billy c from Nsw, Au on June 10, 2016 @ 3:57 pm
    I'm going to follow in the footsteps of the great Jack storm who managed to beat the system. Csa keeps calling me to start my re-assessment but I've been avoiding the csa calls cause I've heard really bad things. Quit my job on payroll today. I'm going to go off the radar, work for cash but instead of no bank account Im thinking joint account with family or in family name not mine and getting my mortgage put into my family's names and I'll just give them the cash. If I ain't got nothing on paper than they ain't got nothing to take from me. why should I live in poverty while my ex moves on happy with my children and my money funds her new life with her new man?
    Time for change! So long csa!
    1230. By: Suzy from NSW, Australia on June 9, 2016 @ 3:06 pm
    Nick, Your situation does sound like mine...this is what I did...If your like me/ my situation You need to planr a seed RE: the tax returns, they eventually go after this them selves but it takes a long time ( they did with my ex but it took 11 years) if you write to them and insist on them looking into it 9both child support and ATO) they will and it will speed up the process...I didn't do this hence why it took so long and then when it did happen CSA tells you you have to take out a civil suit to reclaim that money as " They don't go back that far" I told them I didn't want to get that money back I just didn't see why when their own records showed he owed me over $40,000 how could they insist I pay $240 per week now?" Then they said because the care arrangement has changed now and you didn't pursue it back then... Anyway moral of the story is you can actually take out a Civil suit...I'm not suggesting you do...as it wasn't what I wanted to do either, but if you did, you would eventually win and I'm guessing your ex...like my ex, knows this and she isn't going to want any attention on her from the ATO...What I did, is call my EX and discuss very calmly with him on the phone whilst recording the conversation (it's important you be nice and calm and friendly about it) I just mentioned to my ex on the phone that he knew as well as I did that I had never made him pay what he legally had to and that as he knew I could have called the tax office and dobbed him in but I never did and I also allowed him not to pay anything and gave him unlimited access, yet he took up the ' No paying" but not the actually seeing his son more often part. I then when on to mention that I was sure that I had spoken to child support and relayed this information and that they had informed me that if I put this in writing to the registrar that it would be considered grounds for not paying anything at all. I then went on to tell him though that I would never not pay anything even when the law says I don't have to, so what did he consider to be a fair amount of child support based on these circumstances and knowing that legally I could choose to pay nothing and that when he had that option, he chose to pay nothing....we ended up settling on a figure that is Half of what CSA wanted and he now gives 2/3 of it directly to my son. Bare in mind Nick, your EX is NOT going to ring child support and ask them if you really had that conversation and if what you say is true....as I said if she's been lodging dodgy tax returns for years or none at all like my EX she is not going to want any government body looking in to it or having their attention drawn to it, people that do this and get away with it for years because people like you and I let them, always fear that it will catch up with them and if she's driving a BMW and living on the Northshore, she's making it pretty obvious that she's up to no good....Use what you have for yourself, without having to go through the government...let them do that in their own time...they'll catch up with her eventually, but you don't want it to be because of you as she is the mother of your children....Remember you catch more flies with honey...
    By: Henry from Nsw, Oz on June 9, 2016 @ 1:44 pm
    Thanks to the never ending debts I've incurred due to job changes due to economy I feel like I'll never get ahead in life if I have to keep paying csa minimum 50% of my heard earned money. I don't want to rent forever or live with my parents when I'm in my 30s. This isn't the life I had planned for myself. Don't kid yourselves people human rights don't care about us they also just care about the money. I know it's suposed to be for the kids but it's never enough for csa or the exes and it never ends unless I move away cut all ties with my ex and kid so she can't find me and tell csa where I am or I end it all completely.
    No wonder suicide rate is so high. I bet those men are happy now they're free from csa.
    At least I know I'm not alone here. People judge absent parents but sometimes we don't have a choice really
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