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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
I thought my child support payments were finished because last year the CSA told me I only owed $8000 and then they started taking over $150 per week to pay the outstanding debt. I paid my ex-wife the money, now the CSA without warning me went to my payroll master and started deducting over $350 a week out of my pay. The CSA warned me to do my tax for 2015/2016 and they took all the tax refund of over $4000 and gave it to my ex-wife. I was un-employed last year from June 2015 to March this year. I started full time employment in late march 2016. Whilst I was unemployed I used all my savings until I run out of funds and used Centrelink in the last months before gaining employment. In the latter stages of my unemployment I had to borrow money to just exist and now since working I have had to pay this back. Now the child support has come along and taken money from my account, which by the way is not 18 cents in the dollar because my money paid weekly was exactly the same. I have only 6 weeks work left until my contract ceases and I told the CSA this they were not interested in my circumstances, because there simple-minded job is to take whatever money they see fit and give it to my ex-wife. This lady who has a house, a good car, a good paying permanent job and has just come back from a overseas trip, to find over $5000 deposited into her bank account. By the way, I failed to mention I have been child support since 1995 and the government has been taking money out of my wages all this time and I have two adult sons that totally oppose to seeing their father homeless in 2 months’ time.
Thank you child support for not understanding the paying fathers of this country, you have the simple minded job of going into someone account and taking money with any consequences on your behalf and not giving a shit on how we are supposed to live on the minimum wage. Also, the people working at the CSA have no compassion and no people skills when talking to paying fathers, this is probably one reason we don’t return your annoying calls!!!!
if she has any kind of qualification or skills etc, and is not working because her "lifestyle" allows her to not work - then you need to lodge an objection stating that she has capacity or earning power that is not being fully explored. If you can show that she is enjoying a certain lifestyle, and she should be working to assist with the raising of the children, then you may have course to have her income "deemed" for child support purposes.
She is not happy, but only has herself to blame for not participating adequately and not being open and honest in her dealings.
so keep trying guys - it can happen.!!
First of all, Thanks to the amazing people who have been providing the timely advice when needed on this forum.
I have a query regarding maintenance order for my ex-wife passed by an overseas court. My ex-wife (Australian citizen) who was working as a Registered Nurse in a public hospital in Australia has been living overseas with her parents for the last 1 1/2 years. We have a 3-year-old son who she took with her without informing me. I have been paying child support since our separation 2 1/2 years ago.
Now she has got an ex parte order (without my knowledge) from the overseas court granting her maintenance and child support. Can the CSA enforce the court order passed by another country? My understanding is that the CSA can enforce the child support order passed by the overseas court, but won't charge me twice i.e. the child support that I am paying currently will be stopped.
It is the maintenance order for my ex-wife that I am furious about. Is it enforceable? Can CSA enforce it on me? My ex-wife has the qualification (Nursing) and potential to earn more than me, but she is a lazy woman and wants to live off on my wage without working.
Any advice would be appreciated.
theres nothing CSA will do about your x living with someone she has the right to a new life so to speak and as its your child not the new partners you still have to pay BUT the only way you can do something is prove to centre link if she receives family tax A & B that she is living with someone ( as centre link take into account her partners money ) and both CSA an Centre link can than do something about your payments.
I would like to know if anyone can answer my question??
What are the rules on your ex wife having a partner who pays her rent and helps towards the up keep of the home has his business mail sent to the property ( he is a multi millionaire builder and so called best friend) who as I beleive also pays my ex to do his new build cleans and I presume that would be cash in hand.
Is there any waythat the csa would take into account the rental payments that is being payed to my ex I understand it would have to be proved but what are the rules on her having a pertner living with her?? May I add that heoffered me a place to stay for a SHORT while in the begining so we could try to sort out our differences and withing a month was in a relationship with my ex wife and was trying to throw me out of the gagrage he let me live in on one of his many properties.
I may sound like a scorned ex husband but the CSA have just sent me a new figurative amount to pay for my daughter but the amount is outlandish and I have never earned that much
Any help or advice would be very greatly received
yrs , I can't get free legal advice as my wife is supposedly on too much money and I'm on a $0 income per yr for 6 yrs. how the hell do the expect me to pay $240 per month and apparently if I don't pay it ( which I can't ) it will build up a back depth building interest monthly and when I reach retirement age they will just take my superannuation, by that stage I will probably just end it as casa has left me with nothing my whole life.
I've been watching my partner go through all of this and in the beginning I thought he should be respectful to his then soon to be ex wife but she seriously went nasty. She wanted to move from Darwin to Perth with the 2 kids and he agreed. She made him sign some silly document which didn't stand up in court anyway. Anyway she waited for him to relocate to Perth then changed her mind about moving. She went further by stating he could only have supervised visits when he could afford to go to Darwin. She threatened through lawyers that the police would be called if he went to the house, which was his house. He was on $300k a year at the time and paying combined spousal and child support of $10k a month but she wanted more and wanted him to have zero contact with the kids. His contract ended and he couldn't get a job. Hello CS and sorry the amount you have paid previously is not taken into consideration! Wtf? He now has a job at 1/3 of the pay and they take so much. As part of the financial settlement he took all the debt including the house because he can't sell it. He has almost $700k in debt from the marriage and is on the verge of bankruptcy not to mention suicidal! Do you think CS care? Not one bit! Does anyone know what's happening with these reforms of Pauline Hanson? Does anyone know political meetings where you can have your say about these things in Perth? I've tried to see where liberal and labour party's stand on this and I can't find anything.... Does anyone else think it's weird that our 2 biggest parties don't have anything on this?.. Finally I'm so worried about my partner, does anyone know any face to face groups where he would feel better? I can't believe how much power CS has. They take his wage before he gets it, his tax return (which we were hoping would help with his debt) and she lives the highlife!,, what the hell is going on? How did it get like this 😒
And congratulations to Pauline Hanson and co,one of very few real people who care about this country,may you wipe away the years of brainwashing/social engineering from the people of this nation.
I was told by a guy who pays child support like myself that if your ex is living with someone as defacto or married you can get a reduction in your cs . Does anyone know this to be true?.
Yep they do case it on your capacity to earn in my case they told me to get a job. I work went back to work 3 days after having a c-section ( 8 yrs ago and still work ) so they told me to get a better paying job so I work 2 jobs then they told me to leave my x alone its not his fault he dosent have any money he hasnt had a job in 8 -9 yrs how does he live ? So I asked them about his capacity to earn csa told me its not their problem wtf what is their job ? Any way it should go of your end of year tax and what the tax man says you earn wtats when csa work out how much you should be paying
They can't impose laws that don't exist, also an abuse of an existing law (or non existing law) is called a "misfeasance in public office". Under Commonwealth law you can sue for a "misfeasance in public office" and people can lose their jobs. I would write to them and state your income and ask how they can justify imposing a higher rate of child support when you are sharing care 50/50. If all else fails engage a lawyer to have a look at it for you and take the written reply they give you. [Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, but hell I have learnt a lot]
Yes you can stop them calling you. I wrote to them years ago and said "you are hereby notified that all further contact must be in writing" and they stopped calling. I also told them to "post all correspondence to my PO Box XX at XXXXXXXX" and they do. They send letters now and then asking me to call them.... I don't.
Has your x told csa you have 50-50 care as this goes towards your payments as you are meeting your cost
As far as making payments csa take 1-2 dollors to every 100 you pay to cover their costs and as your x get family tax A & B she will be on the lower end she might be getting 260 a fornight. You are 1 of the good guys who pay csa and dont hide your money. My x hides his money and everything he owns in his new wifes name so he dosnt have any thing on paper so as far as csa and the tax man know he doesnt have any money and doesnt work
So why do CSA make me pay over $400 a fortnight when I have 50% custody of my 3 kids. I don't own a house, I am left with less than $500 a fortnight to live on whist my ex works, collects parenting payments and over $400 per fortnight from me, whist I struggle to feed and house my kids in the 50% I have them. The system definitely discriminates against the fathers.
Im the same work my ass of for my 2 kids yet my x ownes 3 business 2 cars goes on holidays with his new wife and her kids but CSA say he has no income so there is a way the x who is meant to pay can get away with it. Kids cost a lot to raise I dont think the system is fair on the ones who do pay they do it hard as well its the left overs who do everything in their power to rip the system off that is in place. Theres not a lot you can do unless you put in a Reason 8 to CSA stating your cost of living out ways your earning and hes under declairing his
I am being scalped 10 times that for one child. My issue is also that although I have my kid more than the 51 days a year that qualifies me for part care, my ex refuses to admit it and keeps telling CSA how I don't.(yes I know about receipts and all the other proof but when it comes to proving forward not backwards, there is no proof as far as they are concerned)so not only am I copping the $500 a week plus have to pay for my sons travel and other stuff and at the end of the day there is no back pay or credit, its a simple"too bad" and you just keep paying and paying until you are bled dry. If you are getting ripped off by an arsehole then id suggest you go through CSA as they WILL make him pay.
I have 3 kids and my annual income is $115000 and they calculated based in that gross salary I need to pay $1965 a month and total child support payment annually is $23000 ..
dont sign the passport papers for your x she cant leave australia with the kids with out your help if she does its classed as kidnapping and she can be stopped at the airport
if your paying 2000 a month u must be on a lot a yr as thats wrong even by csa standred they cant take no more than 17% of your wage plus how many kids do u have ?
As long as you dont have a bank acc car or any thing in your name CSA class you as a not paymenting parent in other words they cant get a red cent from you at all the case will still be open fees and charges will still go up they just wont chase you for the money.
You still have to pay CSA for your kids ONLY not the new ones if your x doesnt work her problem not yours have new orders put in place saying in that you will pay for the air fairs instead of CSA something a long those lines if she moves back to WA
I plan on getting sacked from work (nothing detrimental I.e police charges) so when I put in for Coa they cannot say potential earnings. Now at almost 56 I'll probably won't get employed and only get the dole and csa amount based on that.
I have a house in joint names with my new wife. Don't think csa can touch that.
We have a joint bank account.. Csa cannot touch that.
I have an investment property that I changed the title into my new wife's name under the love and affection rule a few years ago...not sure if csa can touch that.
No cars or any other assets in my name so a warrant of seizure and sale is useless.
I have a super account in accumulation phase.. Not sure if they can touch that.
My wife will set up a company in her name alone and any monies earnt will be to her company.
If I earn any money at all it will only be at the protected amount $18200 p/a.
Can anyone see any flaws here where csa can still fuck me over
Thanks for any replies
Coming from a woman I have seen the affects and trauma that you blokes go through
The system needs to be changed
It's not fair. I Can't even sleep at night worrieing about all this.
how bout telling her she must work also to take the burden out of how much i must pay problem is she wont work if she had we would still be together end of story she never had any intentions on working from moment we were living together with friends in kalgoorlie when she got glandular fever she never really worked from then onwards 13 years and i'm a bad father i fucked off all my mates gave up my life that was so good never went to clubs or pubs become the soft cock father i become worked my arse off feed clothed kept a roof over my families head become a great dad as you should i was responsible and i get repaid like this locked up for trying to give her our furniture and now i can no longer work because of how much they want per week! with that rent utilities petrol i couldn't even feed myself with whats left
yes i can see why guys go top themselves the money they are asking for is more then i spend on food for me more then i spent on food for them and clearly i'm paying to support the ex that left me how because i earnt a good wage and still not what i am capable of earning how can my child support go from 140 bucks a week for three children too 390 a week for the same three children because i earnt more i just payed 30k in tax feels like i am being taxed even more here is this amount what the ex is getting or are the government run child support office taking a fee also that i am copping on my end here.i only went back on the road trains so i could pay my child support and restart my life at the same time i am the one that lost everything all i have left is a t.v. from my relationship this is inhumane justice this is
this government wants to persecute me for earning a good wage right down to the point that if i go to work its absolutely pointless cause i wont be able to feed myself what message is it going to send my kids if i don't go back to work and when and how can i move forward with my own life if i work my arse off for no reward at the end of the week i have always been a worker not a dole bludger but now after today it really seems pointless going back to work at all
Two years plus ive received nothing. Yet they take as they please and disregard court orders. I refuse to create a my gov account it is not my government and i will not be forced to create and online account. I dont recieve phone calls either. They still send bullshit garnishment orders to my employer though never myself. Obviously the orders are not lawful ive pointed this out to employer but theyre too stupid to comprrhend.