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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

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    By: Oscar from SA, Australia on September 17, 2016 @ 11:06 pm
    Finally had a win in the CSA. Objected to an assessment whereby the ex had written her income down to $50K (runs her own business). I lodged a change of assessment under Reasons 8, and I was assigned an assessment officer who actually used common sense and judgement. The ex would not participate (wouldn't lodge documents), and her income was deemed (as capacity) up to $139K - massive $89K win for me. t

    She is not happy, but only has herself to blame for not participating adequately and not being open and honest in her dealings.

    so keep trying guys - it can happen.!!
    By: MrB from Victoria, Australia on September 16, 2016 @ 10:18 am
    For anyone self-employed there is a huge fault in the CS system that you need to look for. If you have tax debts and incurred interest and/or penalties prior to separation (and you claimed them as deductions) and the interest and/or penalties are remitted at a later date, they are then added to your real income. CS is then calculated on a false amount of income and you are charged more CS than you should be. The only way to attempt to have it corrected is to file a "special circumstances" form where they want to know everything about you. If you leave it longer than 18 months you then have to take CS to court to have it corrected. The system is wrong and needs fixing, but they don't listen or care.
    By: Neil from NSW, Australia on September 15, 2016 @ 6:51 pm
    Hi,

    First of all, Thanks to the amazing people who have been providing the timely advice when needed on this forum.

    I have a query regarding maintenance order for my ex-wife passed by an overseas court. My ex-wife (Australian citizen) who was working as a Registered Nurse in a public hospital in Australia has been living overseas with her parents for the last 1 1/2 years. We have a 3-year-old son who she took with her without informing me. I have been paying child support since our separation 2 1/2 years ago.

    Now she has got an ex parte order (without my knowledge) from the overseas court granting her maintenance and child support. Can the CSA enforce the court order passed by another country? My understanding is that the CSA can enforce the child support order passed by the overseas court, but won't charge me twice i.e. the child support that I am paying currently will be stopped.

    It is the maintenance order for my ex-wife that I am furious about. Is it enforceable? Can CSA enforce it on me? My ex-wife has the qualification (Nursing) and potential to earn more than me, but she is a lazy woman and wants to live off on my wage without working.

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    Regards,

    Neil
    By: Jack from NSW, Australia on September 15, 2016 @ 2:10 pm
    Does anyone know if there is any way to get an FBT amount excluded for the purposes of the child support assessment? My partner received an incentive trip for exceeding his sales targets a couple of years back, but it was a benefit he could not take in any other form (eg. as cash). If it is included, it will artificially increase his income by $30K, and will result in a $2500 windfall to his ex who is already bleeding him dry. (He pays for 100% of the kids schooling, medical, and extra curricular activities, with no contribution by or recognition from her, and has the kids 47% of the time.) Any suggestions to point us in the right direction would be greatly appreciate! Thanks! :)
    By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on September 15, 2016 @ 8:44 am
    Shaun
    theres nothing CSA will do about your x living with someone she has the right to a new life so to speak and as its your child not the new partners you still have to pay BUT the only way you can do something is prove to centre link if she receives family tax A & B that she is living with someone ( as centre link take into account her partners money ) and both CSA an Centre link can than do something about your payments.
    By: Shaun from Qld, Australia on September 15, 2016 @ 5:13 am
    Hi All,
    I would like to know if anyone can answer my question??
    What are the rules on your ex wife having a partner who pays her rent and helps towards the up keep of the home has his business mail sent to the property ( he is a multi millionaire builder and so called best friend) who as I beleive also pays my ex to do his new build cleans and I presume that would be cash in hand.
    Is there any waythat the csa would take into account the rental payments that is being payed to my ex I understand it would have to be proved but what are the rules on her having a pertner living with her?? May I add that heoffered me a place to stay for a SHORT while in the begining so we could try to sort out our differences and withing a month was in a relationship with my ex wife and was trying to throw me out of the gagrage he let me live in on one of his many properties.
    I may sound like a scorned ex husband but the CSA have just sent me a new figurative amount to pay for my daughter but the amount is outlandish and I have never earned that much
    Any help or advice would be very greatly received
    Thanks
    1320. By: Sam from qld, australia on September 14, 2016 @ 11:39 am
    Hello
    By: Craig from Nsw , Australia on September 3, 2016 @ 7:19 pm
    Well I have a current dispute with csa, I have been paying csa for over 20 yrs as I have 2 kids to my first partner then we seperate and I had another 2 to another partner yrs later. I have always paid my child support ( which left me destitute my whole life ) but for the last 6 yrs I have been unemployed and I can't get Centrelink payments as my wife earns to much , for the first five yrs csa put me on a " minimum wage need not to apply " which meant I only had to pay $34 a month. Now they are saying that the food that my wife supplies me and the clothes she buys me and the roof over my head is classed as an income and want me to pay $240 a month for 2 kids as the other 2 are over 18. How is this fair ? I can't get the doll , there's no work at all as we live in a mining town which has closed 2 mines in the last 2
    yrs , I can't get free legal advice as my wife is supposedly on too much money and I'm on a $0 income per yr for 6 yrs. how the hell do the expect me to pay $240 per month and apparently if I don't pay it ( which I can't ) it will build up a back depth building interest monthly and when I reach retirement age they will just take my superannuation, by that stage I will probably just end it as casa has left me with nothing my whole life.
    By: Garret from Florida, United States on September 3, 2016 @ 2:44 am
    Well to tell you the truth it gets like this because our government allowed this corrupt system to operate using federal laws butt they say you can't fight it in federal because it's a state issue think it over it's not a debt that you say you are we need to make them prove that the debt is validated send a validation letter see what happens
    By: Dee from Wa, Australia on August 31, 2016 @ 9:48 pm
    Hi all
    I've been watching my partner go through all of this and in the beginning I thought he should be respectful to his then soon to be ex wife but she seriously went nasty. She wanted to move from Darwin to Perth with the 2 kids and he agreed. She made him sign some silly document which didn't stand up in court anyway. Anyway she waited for him to relocate to Perth then changed her mind about moving. She went further by stating he could only have supervised visits when he could afford to go to Darwin. She threatened through lawyers that the police would be called if he went to the house, which was his house. He was on $300k a year at the time and paying combined spousal and child support of $10k a month but she wanted more and wanted him to have zero contact with the kids. His contract ended and he couldn't get a job. Hello CS and sorry the amount you have paid previously is not taken into consideration! Wtf? He now has a job at 1/3 of the pay and they take so much. As part of the financial settlement he took all the debt including the house because he can't sell it. He has almost $700k in debt from the marriage and is on the verge of bankruptcy not to mention suicidal! Do you think CS care? Not one bit! Does anyone know what's happening with these reforms of Pauline Hanson? Does anyone know political meetings where you can have your say about these things in Perth? I've tried to see where liberal and labour party's stand on this and I can't find anything.... Does anyone else think it's weird that our 2 biggest parties don't have anything on this?.. Finally I'm so worried about my partner, does anyone know any face to face groups where he would feel better? I can't believe how much power CS has. They take his wage before he gets it, his tax return (which we were hoping would help with his debt) and she lives the highlife!,, what the hell is going on? How did it get like this 😒
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on August 29, 2016 @ 8:05 pm
    Thanks Byron, I didn't think so either. This guy who told me that sounded very sure about it. Just living in hope .
    And congratulations to Pauline Hanson and co,one of very few real people who care about this country,may you wipe away the years of brainwashing/social engineering from the people of this nation.
    Amen.
    By: Bryon from Qld, Australia on August 28, 2016 @ 7:41 pm
    Kris, unfortunately there is no chance of that happening. CS is based on the biological/legal mother and fathers income and not anyone elses at all. No exceptions.
    By: Kris from nsw, ZOG on August 27, 2016 @ 9:32 pm
    Hi,
    I was told by a guy who pays child support like myself that if your ex is living with someone as defacto or married you can get a reduction in your cs . Does anyone know this to be true?.
    By: Herman Boitze from WA, Australia on August 27, 2016 @ 10:24 am
    I am not lodging my tax return and I intend on never lodging it I don't care about fees and all that I'm enjoying my earnings that go into my partners account. Csa still take payments from my wages and that's it I don't ring them or communicate with Csa because it's a waste of time they not there to help they are there to take. Don't give your ex details of where you work csa will find you eventually but they cannot deduct your earnings based on your current earnings if you haven't lodged your tax. Call me a fraud I don't care sick and tired of struggling trying to make ends meet.
    By: Garret from Florida, United States on August 27, 2016 @ 3:50 am
    I'm telling you child support enforcement is so corrupt and sick we the American people need to write our congressmen or Senators Governors whatever we have to do the get rid of this extortion in the system let's get together and shut this s*** down it needs to be it's proven enough that they do not care about the American people all they care about is how much money they can steal from you child support is a business that is not for the child it's easy to figure out watch the money see where it goes I been on the phone with the Congress Washington Senators governors they all say the same thing it is not our problem it's a state issue not a federal problem but yet they have rights to steal your driver's license and corrupt you or destroy you with false accusations
    By: Charlie from Vic, Australia on August 25, 2016 @ 9:08 pm
    I called csa today to let them know I'm struggling to maintain the ridicules child support payments of $1970.00 per month as I have ongoing bills to pay and that I'm behind in my rent ,they couldn't give a stuff ,absolutely no help what so ever ,as the tax year has passed now I had to back pay close to $9000 dollars as I under estimated my income by $20000,as I had to pay this I'm now struggling to make ends meet and now in arrears with my rent ,I explained this to the idiots at csa but got no compassion ,I told them I will have to move out and live in the car so I could maintain these csa payments ,from last financial year till now my csa payments have increased $500 per month with the same income estimate I had last year ,they are a Rort ,i relied on my tax return this financial year and I didn't even get a cent as csa took every cent ,it was my last hope to keep me going but these rats took it all ,I have no option now but to decide whats best for myself now as they are digging me in a big hole ..
    1310. By: Byron from Vic, Au on August 25, 2016 @ 7:15 pm
    Thanks MrB, they have all of my tax returns that show my income is less than half of what they are basing my payments on. I am having one more go to get them to reasses then I'm going to take them to court. They have been threatening me over a small debt which I refuse to pay as they back dated the assessment, not taking into account that the 2 years before that I did not work at all as I was caring for my kids and couldn't hold down a job. So I have been waiting for them to take me to court, but my guess is that they haven't as they know they will lose in court. They are nasty nasty people with no conscious.
    By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on August 25, 2016 @ 11:55 am
    bryon
    Yep they do case it on your capacity to earn in my case they told me to get a job. I work went back to work 3 days after having a c-section ( 8 yrs ago and still work ) so they told me to get a better paying job so I work 2 jobs then they told me to leave my x alone its not his fault he dosent have any money he hasnt had a job in 8 -9 yrs how does he live ? So I asked them about his capacity to earn csa told me its not their problem wtf what is their job ? Any way it should go of your end of year tax and what the tax man says you earn wtats when csa work out how much you should be paying
    By: MrB from Vic, Australia on August 25, 2016 @ 2:57 am
    Byron
    They can't impose laws that don't exist, also an abuse of an existing law (or non existing law) is called a "misfeasance in public office". Under Commonwealth law you can sue for a "misfeasance in public office" and people can lose their jobs. I would write to them and state your income and ask how they can justify imposing a higher rate of child support when you are sharing care 50/50. If all else fails engage a lawyer to have a look at it for you and take the written reply they give you. [Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, but hell I have learnt a lot]
    By: MrB from Vic, Auistralia on August 25, 2016 @ 1:23 am
    Bonnie
    Yes you can stop them calling you. I wrote to them years ago and said "you are hereby notified that all further contact must be in writing" and they stopped calling. I also told them to "post all correspondence to my PO Box XX at XXXXXXXX" and they do. They send letters now and then asking me to call them.... I don't.
    By: garret k lavigne from fl, pasco on August 25, 2016 @ 1:09 am
    I was refused my right as a citizen of the U.S.A. a fair and just trial we need to stop this EXTORTION in this system .we need to right to our lawmakers they are the one's that started this child support system. this is a contract that you never signed or agreement with . you're forced by the corrupt court system to pay child support. You should have the right to how you want to support your child NOT THE GOVERMENT all they are doing is dertroying you'r life. That will never help your ckild
    By: Byron from Vic, Au on August 24, 2016 @ 7:54 pm
    Robyn, yes they know we have 50/50, they base it on capacity to earn and have decided that even though my tax returns are well below 50k, they beleive that I have the capacity to earn over 100k. I work in hospitality and have never earnt over 50k per year, let alone over 100k. They say it's their determination and there is nothing I can do about it, they are trying to up payments to $550 per fortnight. Leaving me even less to live off and care for my kids.
    By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on August 24, 2016 @ 3:48 pm
    Byron
    Has your x told csa you have 50-50 care as this goes towards your payments as you are meeting your cost
    As far as making payments csa take 1-2 dollors to every 100 you pay to cover their costs and as your x get family tax A & B she will be on the lower end she might be getting 260 a fornight. You are 1 of the good guys who pay csa and dont hide your money. My x hides his money and everything he owns in his new wifes name so he dosnt have any thing on paper so as far as csa and the tax man know he doesnt have any money and doesnt work
    By: Byron from Vic, Au on August 23, 2016 @ 9:46 pm
    Robyn & Mel
    So why do CSA make me pay over $400 a fortnight when I have 50% custody of my 3 kids. I don't own a house, I am left with less than $500 a fortnight to live on whist my ex works, collects parenting payments and over $400 per fortnight from me, whist I struggle to feed and house my kids in the 50% I have them. The system definitely discriminates against the fathers.
    By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on August 23, 2016 @ 8:42 am
    Mel
    Im the same work my ass of for my 2 kids yet my x ownes 3 business 2 cars goes on holidays with his new wife and her kids but CSA say he has no income so there is a way the x who is meant to pay can get away with it. Kids cost a lot to raise I dont think the system is fair on the ones who do pay they do it hard as well its the left overs who do everything in their power to rip the system off that is in place. Theres not a lot you can do unless you put in a Reason 8 to CSA stating your cost of living out ways your earning and hes under declairing his
    By: Rob from WA, Australia on August 23, 2016 @ 3:52 am
    Mel from SA. Are you collecting from CSA or private? if it is CSA then your ex has found a way around the system as I can tell you first hand they would not be saying $50 a week and that's if he was on the dole!!
    I am being scalped 10 times that for one child. My issue is also that although I have my kid more than the 51 days a year that qualifies me for part care, my ex refuses to admit it and keeps telling CSA how I don't.(yes I know about receipts and all the other proof but when it comes to proving forward not backwards, there is no proof as far as they are concerned)so not only am I copping the $500 a week plus have to pay for my sons travel and other stuff and at the end of the day there is no back pay or credit, its a simple"too bad" and you just keep paying and paying until you are bled dry. If you are getting ripped off by an arsehole then id suggest you go through CSA as they WILL make him pay.
    1300. By: Mel from SA, Australia on August 21, 2016 @ 11:16 pm
    As a mother who collects child support, I really struggle to understand some of the comments posted here. I work full time, have full time care of my child and have no family close by to help with before and after school care so I pay about $100 a week to after school care just so I can go to work. I work like this so that I can put a safe roof over our heads, keep us warm in winter, not to mention clothe, feed, educate and pay for all the other incidentals raising a child presents. I have no down time, as homework, sport, grocery shopping and keeping a tidy house takes this away. I too am under enormous mental strain. My child's father completely owns his home, two lovely cars, a boat and many other numerous toys. However he believes that having to pay any more than 50 a week is ridiculous. I am not wanting to sound like a jerk, but that amount does not even cover a quarter of what it costs to raise a child in today's world. Additionally, if there is any money left over, I put it in a safety account for my child. Even if only $10.sometimes people should really analyse the cost of raising a child before ranting. It is not only material goods, it is also emotional and physical labour that is not ever given credit for. I know some women do the selfish claims, but if not for the child support agency I would be left high and dry. We are not all horrible people.
    By: Prostaa from victoria, Australia on August 17, 2016 @ 6:23 pm
    Would people like mark from NSW please not post stupid false messages about their situation and then mention empower network to advertise a scam. It's disrespectful to the genuine real comments.
    By: mark from NSW, Australia on August 16, 2016 @ 4:17 pm
    Hi I've been separated from my wife now for 12 months after being married for just under 10 years now she is chancing child support because of my job I can only have my son 1 night a week. So because I have to work I'm time poor I bet there's a lot of father's out there with the same problem I could quit my job and go onto the dole but how are you to live on the money they give you and they will be tell you to get another job or they will cut your dole anyway. So I have to find something to make me the money I'm making now but give me time to have with my son so I joined the empower network there you can create a team and help each other out. Have a look. https://www.empowernetwork.com/totalshortcut?id=3327439 beats sitting on the dole.
    By: Bonnie from Vic, Au on August 14, 2016 @ 7:07 pm
    Hi, my husband obtained a debt with CSA when they back dated his payments when his ex entered the system. He has been unable to pay it, he has a payment plan with them and pays every fortnight. But they continue to harass and threaten him. He has now been diagnosed with depression, the CSA harrasment over the past 2 years has played a big part in the cause. He refuses to log into the CSA online system as he believes they can see when he logs in and what he looks at and when. Does anyone know if he can request snail mail only communication and ban them from calling him? This would go a long way to helping him to get better. Thank you in advance.
    By: Charlie from Vic, Australia on August 13, 2016 @ 3:58 pm
    Robyn
    I have 3 kids and my annual income is $115000 and they calculated based in that gross salary I need to pay $1965 a month and total child support payment annually is $23000 ..
    By: Tony from WA, Czech Republic on August 12, 2016 @ 12:58 pm
    Hi I need some help. I have been separated for 8+ years and up until a year ago supported my ex, my son and a child from her previous relationship. I put both through private school (bills paid totally by me) and gave over $1500 per month and extras as part of a private agreement. I now know this was excessive but did not mind so long as my boys were OK. She works for CSA and is a lawyer. I live in Europe. 18 months ago the company I worked for collapsed, and I lost my well paid job. I told her I would have to cut back on support, she started getting really abrasive and threatening (stopped my son from coming on paid holiday to Europe etc.), communication broke down. Had to go to CSA for maintenance. They are calculating my income off old details, and tell me I need to pay around $1100 per month, when my current income is $750 per month (cash). I have been open about my cash income and tried to provide stamped time sheets but they don't accept them. They claim I could work for more and choose not to, to avoid paying. This is not the case at all, I am constantly trying to get more well paid work. The CSA takes over a month to get back to me between emails. Currently CSA 'bill' is over $11000 and I can't see how to pay it. They have given me a change of circumstances form but told me if they accept it, it is not retrospective. Is there a support group/cheap lawyers for people who are stuck like me? My assets now include a small amount of money in Czech account, some Australian Superannuation (which I cannot access) and that is it. No house no vehicles any more. I want to visit my son but am scared CSA won't let me leave the country and go home to Europe (still Aussie citizen). How can I find out if I am on a 'no exit' list? Thankyou very much.
    By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on August 12, 2016 @ 9:05 am
    scott
    dont sign the passport papers for your x she cant leave australia with the kids with out your help if she does its classed as kidnapping and she can be stopped at the airport

    Charlie
    if your paying 2000 a month u must be on a lot a yr as thats wrong even by csa standred they cant take no more than 17% of your wage plus how many kids do u have ?
    By: Byron from Vic, Au on August 11, 2016 @ 9:05 pm
    Charlie... Sorry to tell you, but they WILL take your tax return and quite possibly will stop you leaving the country. They are pigs, with no compassion.
    By: Charlie from Victoria, Australia on August 11, 2016 @ 7:21 pm
    Can't believe csa have no compassion for working fathers trying to make ends meet whilst maintaining csa payments ,I'm paying $2000 a month and have just been hit with a $8000 bill as I under estimated my income by $20000and they fined me $600 for under estimating ,they must be joking I called them and they didn't care less about my financial position they just said its another bill I clearly told them I can't afford to pay that amount as I'm in arrears with my rent and struggling to make ends meet ,they couldn't care less ,they say they use a formula to work out what it costs to raise a child but this figure keeps going up,I was paying $1267 month and all of a sudden it's jumped to $2000 a month I agree with a lot of fathers that working isn't a option and your better off on the dole,we all fathers know what's best for our children and we don't bloody need the csa to dictate to us how to raise our children ,I've also haven't seen my beautiful kids for 3 years now as I haven't got the funds to take the ex to court,everytime I speak with csa I just want to end it then and there because I feel let down and no compassion or understanding,they actually threaten you if you don't make payments ,they'll garnish your wages take it at tax time ,withdraw any money out of your bank accounts and take assets also stop you from leaving the country,I'm a tax paying person who pays close to $40000 tax per year and they treat me like a criminal they must be joking ,we'll know more because I'm going to finish up work next week so I don't have to pay for the mortgage of my ex and will raise and support my children as a father should without the idiots at csa,for all the fathers out there we need someone to support us and take it to the stupid governments we have to listen to real story's of how many fathers are struggling out there..
    By: Scott from Qld , Australia on August 11, 2016 @ 10:41 am
    Just keeps getting worse! These scum in cahoots with my beloved ex have officially bankrupted me, I work my butt of to try get ahead yet between tax and csa I pay out 1200 a week leaving me with 700 to try save for a car, house (living in a bloody truck full time) and now find out the beloved ex has purchased return tickets to Nepal for 4 weeks vacation!!! And they wonder why the suicide rate in men is so high??? Would be so much easier than dealing with CSA
    1290. By: robin from New South Wales, Australia on August 8, 2016 @ 9:04 am
    Mike
    As long as you dont have a bank acc car or any thing in your name CSA class you as a not paymenting parent in other words they cant get a red cent from you at all the case will still be open fees and charges will still go up they just wont chase you for the money.

    BOB
    You still have to pay CSA for your kids ONLY not the new ones if your x doesnt work her problem not yours have new orders put in place saying in that you will pay for the air fairs instead of CSA something a long those lines if she moves back to WA
    By: Hi mike from NT, Australia on August 6, 2016 @ 8:50 pm
    Hi mike pal it can be done. I did something quite similar. Got sacked by repetedly turning up late, leaving early, calling in sick and surfing the net when it wasn't my break. As far as I'm aware my super hasn't been touched. My house is actuly in my uncles name hes single don't know if that makes a difference but I changed it before I got sacked. I also changed my car to him and I'm insured for it but my uncles the primary driver. I'm on the dole but work for cash so i don't lead a shabby existense. Best of luck and remember to keep your assets off paper and seem like you've disappeared from planet earth.
    By: Bob from WA, Australia on August 5, 2016 @ 10:00 am
    Hi, hoping someone can help. I am currently looking after my children full time as their mother lives interstate. She moved away a year ago and originally took the children with her. I went to court and the children were returned. After the final hearing, the judge suggested the children remain in WA :) Now my ex is thinking of returning to WA, which means we will have shared care (50%) however as i work i will have to pay her child support! which i feel is unfair due to the fact she is not working because she is at home looking after her new children. So to me it seems i'm paying for her to stay home and look after her new children. Is there any way this can be taken in to consideration?
    By: Mike from Vic, Aust on August 4, 2016 @ 9:52 pm
    Ok guys comments on my plan please cos I've had enough.

    I plan on getting sacked from work (nothing detrimental I.e police charges) so when I put in for Coa they cannot say potential earnings. Now at almost 56 I'll probably won't get employed and only get the dole and csa amount based on that.

    I have a house in joint names with my new wife. Don't think csa can touch that.
    We have a joint bank account.. Csa cannot touch that.
    I have an investment property that I changed the title into my new wife's name under the love and affection rule a few years ago...not sure if csa can touch that.
    No cars or any other assets in my name so a warrant of seizure and sale is useless.
    I have a super account in accumulation phase.. Not sure if they can touch that.

    My wife will set up a company in her name alone and any monies earnt will be to her company.
    If I earn any money at all it will only be at the protected amount $18200 p/a.

    Can anyone see any flaws here where csa can still fuck me over

    Thanks for any replies
    By: mic from vic, aus on August 3, 2016 @ 9:34 am
    Spot on Ben who I believe may be referring to a commercial agreement which can give rise to a contract. Don't apply/register/contract with CSA in anyway else you may be entering into agreement and obligated to abide by their terms which are truck load of statutes and common law. ie. you may be f*cked unless you add your own terms and fee schedule for your own protection. A unilateral agreement (offer + acceptance) can be like a mousetrap going off...sudden death or a slow and painful one! Wriggling free can be difficult as many will attest to. Ask questions but make no statements. Further, any demand/claim for money respond with conditional acceptance. ie. happy to pay subject to proof of claim of any debt/contract. If you ignore it, your acquiescence can be seen as acceptance and dishonour. If you correspond ensure you include "without prejudice" at the top and something like "subject to agreement, contract and finalisation of terms" showing you are only in discussions or negotiation phase and even "all rights reserved" for further protection. CSA(trading name for DHS) are a 3rd party to any arrangement with your ex. Just because your ex chooses to contract with them doesn't mean you have to. Also, it doesn't always mean your ex is bad for claiming child support as it is a STRICT condition before they can receive a Centrelink benefit. ie.Many good exes are forced/coerced into applying to CSA to get benefits for survival. Remember CSA need your consent/authority so don't give it to them. They are tricky, bluff and do almost anything to form a binding agreement with you. They are not your friend but a business, it's all business, whose aim is to profit from ignorant souls so be aware and stay alert peeps!
    By: Ben from Nsw, Australia on August 3, 2016 @ 4:53 am
    Get out before official payments start. Once they start its so hard to stop. Any potential payers please listen and give yourself a decent future
    By: Shell from Victoria, Australia on August 2, 2016 @ 8:25 pm
    I have watched my husband of 13 years go through hell. His ex had an affair and took off. We had the kids every fortnight and as long as he did what he was told it was all hunky dory. We caught his daughters going through our bank statement and personal info and texting info back to their mother. That was it for me . She has emotionally blackmailed my husband for years and in fear of losing his kids he would never stand up to her. We finally got a restraining order but guess what. She stopped the kids from coming and now gets even more money. We have 2 children together I am unable to work due to illness, my husband suffers depression and has contemplated suicide on several occasions. CSA treats men like they are a piece of crap. I even got an MP involved and got us no where. CSA and Family Relations are a load of arseholes as far as I'm concerned. Make your voice heard and join Paulin Hansens One Nation Facebook page. Get off your arses you blokes and start writing complaints. Inundate MPs. PLEASE make a stand don,t just sit there.
    Coming from a woman I have seen the affects and trauma that you blokes go through
    The system needs to be changed
    By: Garret Lavigne from Florida, United States on July 30, 2016 @ 1:03 am
    I live in Massachusetts which charge me for a child that is not mine and refuse DNA testing 3 times throw me in jail still fighting 28 years later the system is not corrupt it should be called extortion call the congressman he said can't help me because it is State not federal butt they can go after me even though I live in another state if this is not b******* what is will not stop fighting
    By: Carlos from Nt, Au on July 29, 2016 @ 9:03 am
    I got to adjourn/postpone my court case on medical grounds. Don't know what the fuck I'm going to do once I have to go there. Csa has never been ordered to doc my wages but they do so I changed jobs but my ex found out and now they're chasing me again so she took me to court but I'm only working part time and I'm scared I'll be left with nothing. I've heard only bad story's about paying parents and once I'm ordered to pay I'll never be un-ordered to pay.
    It's not fair. I Can't even sleep at night worrieing about all this.
    By: sean cooney from Western Australia, Australia on July 22, 2016 @ 12:08 am
    its financial this time the mother hasn't done anything wrong apart from still not working at all but lets face it she never worked really the whole 13 years we were together my gripe is now against child support office and the system now i don't have a job just found out today with a new job i cant afford to live because of what i earnt last year my child support has gone up $15000 for the year to $23000 for the year its enough pain the man cant spend the quality time he had with the kids before and i was always with my kids put them first always but now when i'm trying to rebuild after losing everything i've ever worked for and i've been working since i was 11 years old they have to smash my back pocket and stop me from progressing forward with my life and starting again very unjust is what this is be ok if the money were going straight to the kids but its not and just how much of this 23000 actually does she receive after the government takes there bit out.
    how bout telling her she must work also to take the burden out of how much i must pay problem is she wont work if she had we would still be together end of story she never had any intentions on working from moment we were living together with friends in kalgoorlie when she got glandular fever she never really worked from then onwards 13 years and i'm a bad father i fucked off all my mates gave up my life that was so good never went to clubs or pubs become the soft cock father i become worked my arse off feed clothed kept a roof over my families head become a great dad as you should i was responsible and i get repaid like this locked up for trying to give her our furniture and now i can no longer work because of how much they want per week! with that rent utilities petrol i couldn't even feed myself with whats left
    yes i can see why guys go top themselves the money they are asking for is more then i spend on food for me more then i spent on food for them and clearly i'm paying to support the ex that left me how because i earnt a good wage and still not what i am capable of earning how can my child support go from 140 bucks a week for three children too 390 a week for the same three children because i earnt more i just payed 30k in tax feels like i am being taxed even more here is this amount what the ex is getting or are the government run child support office taking a fee also that i am copping on my end here.i only went back on the road trains so i could pay my child support and restart my life at the same time i am the one that lost everything all i have left is a t.v. from my relationship this is inhumane justice this is
    this government wants to persecute me for earning a good wage right down to the point that if i go to work its absolutely pointless cause i wont be able to feed myself what message is it going to send my kids if i don't go back to work and when and how can i move forward with my own life if i work my arse off for no reward at the end of the week i have always been a worker not a dole bludger but now after today it really seems pointless going back to work at all
    1280. By: Chris bowman from Queensland, Australia on July 21, 2016 @ 7:40 pm
    I had a debt of about 700 dollars way back in feb 2015. Over the last 15 months i have made regular monthly payments plus additional payments to help reduce this debtdown to approx 400 dollars. Child support made the decision to gernish money from my employer not only for the outstanding debt at 100 dollars per week but also for ongoing payments. I rang them to discuss this situation which i thought was excessive forcefullness and we agreed to a payment plan far more suitable amount. However it seems the representative didnt follow the most efficient proceedures to prevent the direct payment from occuring and my employer was unaware of the agreement in place. Now i am 400 dollrs down for the next 2 weks wondering how i am going to pay my rent. Also my children are due down this weekend and i have minimal finances to house them. So where did the department falter and are they liable. Firstly they did not attempt to contact me on 3 occassions. They spoke to my wife who gave them my phone number yet they refused to call it. Do they hold the power to remove money from an individuals1 pay if there is evidence to show that individual is trying to uphold his obligations towards his children. Is the department liable for not fullfilling an agreement. I have been told the representative should have faxed the letter to my employer to ensure they received the information in time. Why doesnt the department take into consideration my time with the children as i do not see them bleeding my bank account dry as in the best interest of the children. What i find most amusing is that the department reacted to my expartner who was crying poor. If they consider each individuals situation they would see i am a low income earner renting a 3 bed house and receiving no child support payments whereas my ex with her new partner for the last 7 years is currently paying off a mortgage owns a farm in gympie and has 3 cars and runs her own business from home. Both her and her partner are smokers yet they still have no money to spend on the children
    By: gman from vic, Australia on July 21, 2016 @ 1:19 am
    Hi would like to know if anyone is getting mail from the csa.
    Two years plus ive received nothing. Yet they take as they please and disregard court orders. I refuse to create a my gov account it is not my government and i will not be forced to create and online account. I dont recieve phone calls either. They still send bullshit garnishment orders to my employer though never myself. Obviously the orders are not lawful ive pointed this out to employer but theyre too stupid to comprrhend.
    By: Jake from NSW, australia on July 21, 2016 @ 12:09 am
    Hi all, i am hoping someone can help.
    I have been paying child support every fortnight for 6+ years, never behind in payments. While I was with the ex she never worked, likewise now. Two years ago the ex moved away, 10 hours drive away. Subsequently the care percentage changed, I see them only for half school holidays, so therefore I ended up paying even more in CS. Ex is now pregnant which will effectively rule her out of the workforce indefinitely. My partner and I are at wit's end, we have two small children between us and can barely provide for them !
    I'm not self employed, on a salary. Is there legit ways I can lower my adjusted taxable income (salary sacrifice?) so I can save $$ that will be spent on all my children when they are in my care !!
    Thanks and regards.
    By: Mike from Vic, Aust on July 20, 2016 @ 8:53 pm
    Check out Pauline hansens one nation policies.

    She wants to pull apart the family court of injustice and the csa.
    On our issues I fully support her stance here as she recognises many of the injustices perpetratated against fathers in this current system.

    We should all send her an email of what we have been through and encourage her fight in this draconian area of government.
    Office@onenation.com.au

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