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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
I plan on getting sacked from work (nothing detrimental I.e police charges) so when I put in for Coa they cannot say potential earnings. Now at almost 56 I'll probably won't get employed and only get the dole and csa amount based on that.
I have a house in joint names with my new wife. Don't think csa can touch that.
We have a joint bank account.. Csa cannot touch that.
I have an investment property that I changed the title into my new wife's name under the love and affection rule a few years ago...not sure if csa can touch that.
No cars or any other assets in my name so a warrant of seizure and sale is useless.
I have a super account in accumulation phase.. Not sure if they can touch that.
My wife will set up a company in her name alone and any monies earnt will be to her company.
If I earn any money at all it will only be at the protected amount $18200 p/a.
Can anyone see any flaws here where csa can still fuck me over
Thanks for any replies
Coming from a woman I have seen the affects and trauma that you blokes go through
The system needs to be changed
It's not fair. I Can't even sleep at night worrieing about all this.
how bout telling her she must work also to take the burden out of how much i must pay problem is she wont work if she had we would still be together end of story she never had any intentions on working from moment we were living together with friends in kalgoorlie when she got glandular fever she never really worked from then onwards 13 years and i'm a bad father i fucked off all my mates gave up my life that was so good never went to clubs or pubs become the soft cock father i become worked my arse off feed clothed kept a roof over my families head become a great dad as you should i was responsible and i get repaid like this locked up for trying to give her our furniture and now i can no longer work because of how much they want per week! with that rent utilities petrol i couldn't even feed myself with whats left
yes i can see why guys go top themselves the money they are asking for is more then i spend on food for me more then i spent on food for them and clearly i'm paying to support the ex that left me how because i earnt a good wage and still not what i am capable of earning how can my child support go from 140 bucks a week for three children too 390 a week for the same three children because i earnt more i just payed 30k in tax feels like i am being taxed even more here is this amount what the ex is getting or are the government run child support office taking a fee also that i am copping on my end here.i only went back on the road trains so i could pay my child support and restart my life at the same time i am the one that lost everything all i have left is a t.v. from my relationship this is inhumane justice this is
this government wants to persecute me for earning a good wage right down to the point that if i go to work its absolutely pointless cause i wont be able to feed myself what message is it going to send my kids if i don't go back to work and when and how can i move forward with my own life if i work my arse off for no reward at the end of the week i have always been a worker not a dole bludger but now after today it really seems pointless going back to work at all
Two years plus ive received nothing. Yet they take as they please and disregard court orders. I refuse to create a my gov account it is not my government and i will not be forced to create and online account. I dont recieve phone calls either. They still send bullshit garnishment orders to my employer though never myself. Obviously the orders are not lawful ive pointed this out to employer but theyre too stupid to comprrhend.
I have been paying child support every fortnight for 6+ years, never behind in payments. While I was with the ex she never worked, likewise now. Two years ago the ex moved away, 10 hours drive away. Subsequently the care percentage changed, I see them only for half school holidays, so therefore I ended up paying even more in CS. Ex is now pregnant which will effectively rule her out of the workforce indefinitely. My partner and I are at wit's end, we have two small children between us and can barely provide for them !
I'm not self employed, on a salary. Is there legit ways I can lower my adjusted taxable income (salary sacrifice?) so I can save $$ that will be spent on all my children when they are in my care !!
Thanks and regards.
She wants to pull apart the family court of injustice and the csa.
On our issues I fully support her stance here as she recognises many of the injustices perpetratated against fathers in this current system.
We should all send her an email of what we have been through and encourage her fight in this draconian area of government.
No you cant sue for parental alienation. It is child abuse yes, but there has never been a single case of prosecution. The only law governing this issue is the law of karma. Trust in that.
So what can you do? Nothing. Sit on the sideline and hope to have a great relationship with your long lost son starting on his 18th birthday.
If you fight the system you will be financially and emotionally bankrupt. Better to keep some sanity and look after number one.
Keep it real.
can someone tell me is there any real fight occurring in the parliament or on the streets for reduction in CSA powers. Also what about the enforcement of a presumption of equal rights and access to children. Is there any proposals for ex's to be fined for not encouraging visits and denying access.
Also can i sue for lost involvement in my sons life and post traumatic stress disorder from not being able to have access to my son. is there a lawyer willing to take on such issue. Also the invasion of privacy by the CSA into your finances and the fact that we have to do all the work for them.
I want action i have not seen my son for 4 years, i have been rejected by him and her family who are not lawyers, psychologists, counsellors or any other trained professional have brainwashed him and i want justice for all men who are persecuted for just being men!!!
Down the CSA, Down with Ex's who need to grow up. Equal Rights to all for access
My partners lazy ex doesn't work either. And she has made it clear she doesn't want to. He has his daughter (shes 6) the same amount of time since they broke up. That hasn't decreased at all. The only thing that has changed is that we had a child together. I can't make sense of it...that the amount he has to pay has increased. He rings up about various things and each person has something different to say. We were planning to have another kid but we are to scared to lol.
If it's none of those things then the amount he pays should definitely not have increased.
my x did the same has 3 companys in his name ( all making money ) and csa still say he doesnt work but when he takes the kids i get a letter from csa telling me i have to pay him because he has to support them while he has care wtf i have 360 days a yr and dont get a red cent from him or any help from csa
I do NOT repeat DO NOT PAY child support any more!!
I have ceased to pay child support COMPLETELY!
I did it by doing the following:
• working for cash
•dropping off the internet/seemingly disappearing from the planet
•putting my car into my fathers name and listing myself infrequent driver
• having no bank accounts and no assets ***on Paper***
I'm currently living the life (seriously!) financially. I buy clothes and food and gadgets whenever I feel like it because I HAVE THE MONEY to do so! I take annual holidays overseas and eat out at expensive restaurants and enjoy really good drink. I enjoy them because I deserve them AND SO DO YOU csa PAYERS!
It angers me that my kids are withheld and I won't pay when I have no contact with them (yes I've been to court, yes I've paid for a lawyer, yes she withheld anyway, yes I took her back, yes the same thing happened, yes I ran out of money and energy) BUT I will never be forced to pay again.
You can successfully stop paying without a spellcaster *cough* BS artist
Then to rub salt in the ex went for money out of my redundancy after i got laid off and got herself a nice little $9k back payment(after id been out of qwork for 9 months i might add!!) Fu*k me i got done over again. The CSA are simply corrupt and do not investigate at all.
Im not 1 of those women u speck about
i dont even receive a red cent of csa payments
And if there was a site for those women to go on to down grade men like this site then i would be on it
Its not only the male who gets ripped of by the system its females as well. Change CSA rules u have to change the family law first
Does this mean I beat the csa and they won't call me again EVER? If so then woah I can finally breathe normal again
I fully agree with you.
Every opportunity I get to talk to young men I advise them of all the pitfalls of having children in this country and what they face when it turns to shit.
I emplore all men on this site to do the same because the only winning move for men here is NOT to have children.
Never trust a women, don't take it for granted when she says she's on the pill that she really is. Go to the doctors and ask for the male pill for yourself. An injection once every 3 weeks stops the production of sperm and is reversible when you come of it.
But in this country why would you take the risk?
Greg, there is a country song out there " men don't have to die to go to hell".
Been thorough a bit myself, same shit that everyone else talks about here.
It all goes back to Whitlam who made the no fault divorce shit we have now,yet you make a sworn oath on the marriage act, which means nothing if one chooses to brake it ,by cheating for example. Coupled with awarding the majority of the assets and children + cs to the woman, then why do you think we have domestic violence? How can we fight when we dont know who to fight? This was all designed by those judas goats to destroy the family , the agenda is political correctness, homosexual marriage, environment, equality (to some),feminism etc. These ideologies are gripping the world, and how didthey just come about? Through the bees ppollination? No they are well financed by the Judas goats.
Child Support Australia assessed her income at a few hundred dollars per year， which was obvious to everyone that this was a ridiculous lie. After selling most of the business my ex worked full-time. CSA refused to change the income as I didn't have proof of her employment. Eventually I gathered the evidence and CSA are refusing to backdate any payments. She is still able to hide her commission payments.CSA is a corrupt system run by people who hate men and treat all men as bad fathers. I have lodged a formal complaint， but I have no real say.
I have spent a tonne on lawyer fees， and have gone nowhere. Last night I picked up my 10year old who abused and screamed at me. His mother continues to use every trick in the book to manipulate the situation. Fortunately my 13yr old has seen through the lies and sees her for what she is.
CSA not only ruins the lives of Dads， but through its hatred of men， it destroys the lives of children. I agree that I am responsible in part of the costs of raising my kids， but when the kids are viewed as a way of making money by women， as a thing to be manipulated and exploited the system is very wrong.
but it wasnt $88k it was $52,090 and now they have imposed a debt - how can they do this? how do i get it fixed does anyone know? they accept my current year estimate of $55k but, being that the financial year has just closed again i dont want the same thing to happen!
Many thoughts and feelings distorts one's mind when in a suicidal mood.
Go fuk another slut, if one kicks you out, another will take you in.
Go live with another bitch, surely one of the other poor bastards here pays her CSA payments too! If so, you can live off her and her ex .
This is a fucked system, but if you learn to play the game you will smile in no time.
******Rules of life******
Never ever, answer a private call.
Never ever, talk to CSA.
Never ever, correspond past your first responce of "What the fuck you talking about".
Do pay for your children (if they are yours), but not through CSA (keep records).
Do resist all requests from CSA.
Do place all CSA mail in the bin or return it to sender.
Resist this Evil organization at all costs and advise your boys how to avoid this Evil organization.
CSA causes more deaths than by any other means.
CSA forces men to their knees then to the grave.
No politician in Australia has the balls to stand up guys, you/we are on our own..
Revert to the "never ever rules above guys", we all die eventually, but we dont have to die by CSA rules.
Hay! maybe Ill see you in hell one day :)
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On top of this- Child Support say the highest amount of child support ($2500 per month for 2 children) is not enough for school education-so they decide you have to give another $27000 per year for schooling. You have nil choice and if you don't pay them you get the money taken from your bank account.
I understand that the vulnerable have to be supported- However- they system is not right because the income producer becomes the vulnerable one.
very hard to start a new life- very hard to date and provide any future- The Court system is not right and then the Child Support System is not fair and equitable
I really hope u dont have kids with the way u talk about females please dont pass that onto a male child or any child for that matter.
Some mums do the right thing by their x ( the childs father )but then again some men can be real pigs to if it comes to that
Im rasising my 2 kids without the help of their father HIS CHOISE I might add HE WALKED OUT ON THEM I do every thing on my own. Chasing him all the time so the kids can see him but its what he wanted but the kids they want to see him so Im doing everything I can so they can driving 4 hrs just so he can have lunch with them half the time hes late or just dosent turn up as he was to busy. So are females all bad ? BTW Im a working female WITHOUT the help of a CSA payment he cant afford to pay so I dont ask
The one thing that "might" be worth pushing for with csa/politicians maggots is the amount the csa uses as self support in the formula ,which is like $21thousand!@$#×. This figure is as old as the csa. Rent in most cities is well in the $450++ category,and what about food?,the cost of travel to work etc. The self support amount should be at least 30thousand+ for a WORKING person. And why should my cs go up when the kids turn 13,cause they have more needs? And what about my self support needs??? So as im paying 18% for my son out of my gross income which is like 23% out of my net income,then I'll be pay 23% out of my gross when he is 13 which will really be 26% out of my net.
So there you go people some interesting figures to ponder about.
It is worth pushing for an increase in self support.
Revolution dreaming. ..
Accidentally clicked the submit button, long story short I put in an assessment as I did not believe her income was correctly reflected because she has a part time job and also receives Centrelink payments to the tune of approx $600 per week and Child Support declined the assessment advising that the $18,000 she claimed she was earning per year is correct and they don't take into account Centrelink payments. Has anyone else experience this? If she is receiving approx. $30,000 from Centrelink shouldn't this be considered when calculating my child support?
The reason why your x doesn't do her tax returns is because it will reduce the amount she gets from you, my x does hers when she is not working, that way I'm always paying the 100% of the formula. And her previous years that she was working are not used but yours are, so be up to date or you will pay till your kids turn 25. Work for cash as much as possible and keep the bastards
honest. Dont even think about offsetting your cs by getting another job,unless
its for cash only, cause if you do it will all be added together, this might push you over into the next tax bracket and increase you cs to the point where you will contemplate self harm or worse.. Remember the key word CASH ONLY.
Just wanted to let you all know not to fall into the "dont do your tax lodgment trap".
If you don't lodge you tax return for a number of years and your kids turn 18 or more, the csa maggots /parasites will hit you with back pay , also you might beearning less now but will be forced to pay on what you earnt back then.
Better to be up to date with the cs otherwise you'll be paying backpay till your kids are in the late 20ies and guess to who.
Cause once the cs ends and you own them nothing then you will get true
justice. And will see how they do it on their own. Revolution dreaming. ..
They've taken 3 of my tax returns in the past saying I'm overdue on payments so I pay all that out to that bitch cause I know my daughter doesn't see a cent but now I get my tax returns and its never the full amount there's always some crap involving arrears etc. I can't even enjoy any of my own hard work I still don't understand why I'm always in arrears when it comes straight out of my pay before I see it. When I speak to their useless csa agents they keep saying sometimes the system isn't quick enough to update which looks like your behind on payments when actually your not. So then I ask them so if I'm actually not behind why in the bloody world are you still stealing from me? Then they give me shit info never helpful. The x dictates when my daughter can see me I always try to have her during holidays birthdays there's always bs that they have plans I can never just set a date and it's all good she's always gotta have the last say. Why do you think she hasn't lodged her taxes? Is she hiding something from csa?
My eldest turned 18 in May and the x applied to have me keep paying child support until the end of his school year so yes, they sent me a letter granting her application for me to keep paying. Mind you, no proof was sent through that he is actually still attending. Rang the school to confirm and was told they can only tell relevant parties and as I was not on their list I was not relevant.
Relevant enough for csa payments though. More double standards.
If u don't lodge a tax return csa will increase yr assessed income for $ support arbitrarily. I think it's by 5% but they should have done that to her income for assessment aswell.