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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: Angry father of 1 from Vic, Australian on June 9, 2016 @ 1:40 am
    Why do men gotta pay for children they don't get to see? I'm about to give up with csa. They make it so hard for father to be a father. They only care about getting u out of as much money as possible. They don't care about facts. I've seen my daughter handful of times out of her 6 monthof life. My ex never want me too see her so I don't. Started court to see her but couldn't afford to keep going unless I can find a way to stop needing food and house or pay less child support. Don't know why I have to pay support when I don't see my daughter. It's shit. csa is garnishing my wages now. Ex refused private agreement and wants full amount for if I'm in her life but I can't live with just that. Don't know how they work it out anyway considering I need to pay rent and ex doesn't and I'm on single income and she's not.
    I offered to put aside whatever amount I can afford in a account for my daughter when she's older but my ex told me to fuck off. My ex is well off and has told me she doesn't need my money but wants me to suffer which I told them but csa continue to take my pay and don't leave me enough to get by on.
    Maybe i should get a job far away from ex or work for myself and not lodge tax return like other's do and GIVE UP WITH CSA. My daughter will come to me when she's grown up. Maybe it's time to move on with life and move away until this country stops fucking fathers over
    By: Rob from WA, Australia on June 6, 2016 @ 11:51 pm
    Well sorry to say but you have lost me boys! all the Philosophizing in the world wont stop these pricks harassing us.
    They will keep racking up the debt no matter what and at some stage you WILL pay, we need a means of stopping their corruption.
    Dont get me wrong, i have no qualms whatsoever in "contributing" to my sons welfare. In fact id have him 100% in a heartbeat but the sda fact is im not contributing, i am being used as the sole supporter whilst his mother lives the perfect lifestyle. Re-married, nice job, house, overseas holidays and im the one paying for it all. great system.
    By: Trevor Watson from NSW, Australia on June 6, 2016 @ 8:42 pm
    Thanks Mic, the matrix control system and the associated conditioning I am well aware of. Who I am evolves each second. My nature as one with all is of love and truth. Experience outside of the matrix creates freedom and peace both internal and subsequently, external. We must consider being bold enough to test our conditioning. Be strong all.
    By: mic from vic, aust on June 6, 2016 @ 11:03 am
    Trev, there is a commercial process to follow but simply, the first Notice to the dead entity (CSA) is to have them cough up proof of any valid debt within say 14 days. I'd love to see them produce a contract with all the elements, haven't seen one yet. Remember, they will attempt to deceive and confuse you for this is a huge racket of control, just like banks and mortgages. You will not get any validation in writing saying "Oh, you caught us with our pants down. Your the fifth one this week, aren't we so naughty... Shhh...don't tell anyone else about our dirty little secret...promise? We will now cancel your account so you can now go and be free and sow more seeds," but you will get acquiescence if done right. Men and fathers need to learn who they first are and what fictions are at play. When you find out who you really are this empowerment may just bring you real peace and joy.

    Geoff, what one has to look at is, who/what is govt, csa, dhs, legislation, corporations, living man, contracts and consent? Being responsible for one's flesh n blood and unknowingly being a slave to a fiction and 3rd party interloper out of ignorance and deception are two different things in my book. One either lives under the creator or under man and his 10 million statutes biased toward the state. Like being good or evil, it's all a choice and individual journey. Just remember, we're all on the seas of commerce.
    By: Geoff from Qld, Australia on June 6, 2016 @ 6:55 am
    mic the legal contract you form with the govt is when you actually have a baby. Although you sign nothing if you are the biological parent you are responsible you cant get out of that. There are moral and financial responsibilities the law puts on parents to look after the children. Its the legislation that divides these responsibilities between separated parents and the way some parents abuse it that needs to be looked into
    By: Trevor Watson from NSW, Australia on June 5, 2016 @ 8:15 pm
    Mic, I have zero hope that the CSA will ever comply to any request I may propose to them. Everything I have ever communicated to them has been used against me. I presently ignore every attempt they make to contact me and the fanciful debt I am allegedly responsible for continues to rapidly rack up. I am traveling the country and experiencing the beauty that life has to offer. Anything else is way too painful for all involved. My children have been alienated from me yet I am expected to continue to play slave to the Government and my family who has rejected me for no understandable reason. I choose to give away my permanent professional humanitarian servicing career in pursuit of peace and joy.
    1220. By: mic from vic, aust on June 5, 2016 @ 11:35 am
    An "invisible contract" is apt Trevor as no contract can ever exist between man and fiction. The process when responding to any claim made upon you, the living man, is to state you're happy to pay on condition proof of claim be first substantiated. Proofs required must include a lawful contract showing an exchange of value. The irony is many pay out of fear, ignorance, confusion, under duress and guilt which only serves to reinforce an obligation or common law contract binding them commercially, when on the contrary, if one believed they had no true debt, one wouldn't pay at all. If such notices are written properly CSA can't prove up extinguishing honourably any alleged financial obligation CSA, as a 3rd party collector, believes you owe them. In many instances this can free up a father to first breathe again, get his life in order and hopefully, all being well, contribute to his kids when and how he can directly. This process is not an overnight job and like obtaining any skill and knowledge, does require time and study.
    By: Geoff from Qld, Australia on June 5, 2016 @ 10:44 am
    I feel sorry for all the dads having access issues its terrible. I fortunately dhave access however the CSA has screwed meout of money because my ex has decided to have another baby with her new partner. Neither of us have paid any child support in the last 5 yrs because we have a 50/50 court ordered arrangement and had agreed (not formally) on private collection with no money exchange between us. She was actually supposed to be paying me money. She has re partnered, is in a defacto relationship living with him and has just had a new baby. Because she has stopped work due to the baby and now has no income she has enforced child support on me. I am single, live by myself pay everything myself work fulltime and although my daughter is always well provided for i still struggle financially from time to time. I simply cant afford to pay her anything it will send me broke.....but she doesn't care and neither do the CSA because they have started garnishing my wages after all my appeals. I do not see how i am responsible for their lifestyle choice to have another baby? I certainly did not want another baby. Another problem is the "self support income" the CSA convieniently provide for everyone at the same rate. On my assessment they have put both of our self support incomes at $23000 however she lives in a family unit style household where they share their bills. Ive worked out i need to make approx $42k after tax to pay all my yearly bills. I pay $20k per year just in rent. They have given me $3k per year for everything else?? And no one cares about the quality of my daughters life in her time with me. Her mother just says if i cant afford to keep my daughter she will gladly take full custody of her (her whole intention i think) and the CSA are heartless and just say they are following legislation. Legislation that's extremely flawed and well overdue for a revamp to make it fair on children and fathers everywhere. On reading thru this forum and others online the social implications with what they CSA are doing cant be overlooked anymore. Finding ways of earning untraceable money, cash jobs, selling drugs and stolen goods etc....the things the CSA are making everyday good people do justvto survive is disgraceful. I am in the middle of drafting a letter explaining my personal situation as well as using others as examples and i am sending it everywhere. From Kathryn Campbell herself to local, state and federal MPs, to a number of various media outlets. Something has to be done and i encourage anyone who has been legitimately screwed by the CSA to please to the same make yourself heard. Power in numbers and If the public gets bombed with whats really going on especially with an election coming up we might start getting some decent changes in this destructive legislation. Chin up lads 👍
    By: Trevor Watson from NSW, Australia on June 4, 2016 @ 10:39 pm
    Totally support your invalidation and disregard of this government psyops project referred to as the CSA Mic. I too operate outside of it's influence as it is I and I alone who determines how I live my life. I was wondering are you aware of anyone who has requested a formal copy of the invisible "contract" from the CSA and what type of outcome has resulted?
    By: mic from vic, aust on June 4, 2016 @ 9:08 am
    Tis a good Q Col. For me I am the ultimate authority living under god our creator. I don't live under the authority of other men or corporate fictions such as CSA.
    By: Colin Carpenter from NSW, Australia on June 3, 2016 @ 2:30 pm
    i wonder how many can answer the question "who are you?" which is becoming more important in handling these corps
    By: mic from vic, aust on June 3, 2016 @ 12:52 pm
    Rob, for starters contact CSA and request details of any contract or binding agreement (incl. terms) and see what they say/provide.
    By: Rob from WA, Australia on June 3, 2016 @ 12:33 am
    Hi Mic, Dont know what "contract" i have with the CSA? where would i even look?

    As for your situation Daryl, Why does this familiar story keep happening? the CSA are criminal in the way they do things yet accountable to no one.
    A law unto themselves and can do what ever they want without fear of reprimand.

    By: Daryl Arbon from South Australia, Australia on June 2, 2016 @ 5:58 pm
    My child support was up to date 2 1/2 years ago.Lost my job, didnt work for 16 mths. Got a job in the Riverland an my first pay check put $300 into my 16 yr old daughters account.Made me feel good talking to them ( I have 3 girls) an letting them know there was money in there for them. In my daughters acc. otherwise my ex would spend it at the casino an tell them dad doesnt give us anything.Every pay check $300 went in without fail. The CSA send me a letter saying they are going to yake 24c in every dollar from my wage til the overdue CS is caught up. Over $16,000 was owing....WTF !!! Did a none lodger tax return as they said...now the take 4c in the dollar. Every month my CS debt increases by $800, they take $160 a mth, I get a other charges fee of around $140-50 where as before I was paying $600. My CSA debt now is $23,000 an today got home an the letter I got from the says there going to start legal proceedings if I dont pay the money. Over trying in life to make things better ready to throw in the towel an be a bum on the dole. No wonder theres no face to face with CSA anymore. They are the scum of the earth !!!!
    By: mic from vic, aust on June 2, 2016 @ 8:17 am
    Hey Rob, ombudsman are useless as they are part of the same State based racket as CSA and all the alphabet agencies (private businesses) like the cops, courts, asic, ato, centrelink, regulators, tolls, banks and so on. The area to look at is contracts, ie. what contract have you entered into with the CSA?
    By: Rob from WA, Australia on June 2, 2016 @ 1:21 am
    OK, So i have read just about the whole of this forum and the common thread is that many if not all of us are being skimmed and ripped of either for money or contact with our kids(or both in most cases)
    What do we as a collective group do? what can i as an individual do?
    I have googled and searched for answers, contacted the ombudsman and done as much as i can but it seems like a dead end in every direction.
    How can we change the corruption and destruction causing of this agency?
    Is there a method or avenue of having it addressed?
    Ihave found documents online from the Ombudsman and some other investigation a few years back on the services of the CSA and it is damning yet fark all is being done and no action taken on them.

    Im at my witts end trying to sort out my own mess let alone pay my ex $1950 a month based on my earnings nearly 3 years ago!!!oh and the ex continually telling them she has my boy 100% when that is simply not true and apart from the time i have with him which is over the 51 days it costs me around $5k a pop to see him..

    I dont want to become a statistic.
    1210. By: Bee from TAS, AUSTRALIA on June 1, 2016 @ 7:17 pm
    As a Grandma of two beautiful girls and mother to a beautiful, loving, caring son and father to those two girls (only one biologically), I can only sit and wait, along with their Grompa, for the inevitable outcome of a totally unjust system that not only refuses to means test any new relationship a parent enters into, but dictates how and what the father must pay. This is like the last straw after watching our son slowly be screwed into the ground by his x as punishment for daring to suggest he has been an equal carer and for wanting to see his children on some kind of equal footing. She blatantly says she is denying him access and 'witholding the children' without needing proof of any wrong doing on his part and he does not see the children for close to six months and counting with no consequences whatsoever for her. In fact she is rewarded by being seen as the primary carer regardless of her blatant lies, twisted facts, and obviously using the children to get at their father. I can not write anymore, as it is too heart breaking to see him go through an unjust system we were always led to believe, that even if it cost a lot in legal fees, in the end the law would be interested in truth, fairness and justice. It isn't and it can't be while the current socio-political view is that there is no questioning the mother's right to be seen as the primary carer and consequently make fathers pay in every way possible, regardless of any circumstance. I know there are women too, as in these comments above, that have been treated equally unfairly, but perhaps the the consolation for most women is that generally their right to custody as the mother of the children is taken for granted. This may say better what I feel for my little angels/grandgirls we may not see again. We miss you little ones, and love you our wonderful son. Walk with your head held high all you fathers who have tried to love and see your children through lies and horrendous allegations - it is the court system that has failed you, not you who have failed.

    I But Saw Him Passing ( Father-Daughter Bond) 20-02-16

    Every time the law fails a father
    It fails a child
    Every day that passes
    him passes her
    Every day without contact with her
    Is every day their bond diminished
    Each happy smile, cry and nappy changed
    Each walk in prams to count the cows
    Each flower picked, each preparation
    For the visits to the grandparents,
    the park, the doctors, friends, the trip to town
    Her determined little frown
    Each day that passes
    him passes her

    Every time the law fails a father
    It fails a child
    Every day that passes
    him passes her
    Every day without contact with him
    Is a flower missed about to bloom
    A song unsung or with no tune
    Every day he is denied her presence, she is denied his love.
    Farther-Daughter bond diminished to a weekly payment (centrelink dot gov)
    And if we're talking numbers, the 50:50 care
    That was always part of their routine they shared
    comes to nothing in the end when
    Her smile, her love and her
    are all withheld
    A hope given and then burned
    A good-bye kiss with no return
    Every day that passes
    him passes her
    Every time the law fails a father
    it fails a child.
    By: Kris from nsw, Australia on June 1, 2016 @ 5:05 pm
    Hi to all paying parents csa/family flaw,multi billion dollar racket, destroying family's and creating the new" stolen generation ".
    Alison your husbands story is a classic example, which thousands go through with those maggots at csa. I was hit with back pay of around 2 thousand dollars because my ex said that i didn't have my son for the 51 nights,even though I had the airfare tickets to prove it. I even had a confirmation email from my ex that he was staying with me over Christmas period. I gave the csa the evidence .a week or so later,to my relief, i wad told by csa that the back pay is dropped. Few weeks later I was told that my ex is taking the case to the tribunal. She submitted bogus statutory declarations from her girlfriends and one from her mother,which wasn't even jp signed or stamped, stating that i didn't have my son over the Christmas period . I received a letter from the csa tribunal that i will need to pay the back pay and i also lost my reduction based on the 51 nights care.
    So there you go people, all the best of luck dealing with those parasites. Please note this also took a huge toll on my relationship with my wife as well. I have custody court orders but csa would not use them . instead they took the bogus evidence from a bunch of girlfriends and my ex mother in law .
    I did try to fight it but got nowhere with it.
    Maybe some domestic violence needs to be dished out to enforce these court orders?. Wishful thinking. ...

    By: Allison from Vic, Australia on June 1, 2016 @ 9:13 am
    I feel sorry for anyone mixed up with CSA my partner and I have been together for 11 years 8 of those he was forced to pay child support which was deducted from his pay. What makes me angry is she got everything when he left her even paid private school fees for two children at the prestigious Wesley college (not cheap). She said if he paid her privately she would never go to CSA well that was a load of crap he paid her $500 a week. That was not enough the stupid cow wanted more but guess what she ended up getting around $1,200 a month. HaHa the payment went down but we were gob smacked that she said he never paid her and wanted back pay. With no proof of the funds as he stupidly paid cash he incurred a debt of $30k. This nearly ruined our relationship and his future I wrote a letter for him to send them giving various evidence of the private school fees so we had 14k taken off the debt. A few years ago when both his children turned 18 they started up a payment again which they were going to take from his wage for two adult children that were now working. What a f'en joke he paid the money which he had to borrow from his elderly parents they are in their late 80s. The whole thing was a disgrace his ex lied and got away with it.
    I just want to say keep your chin up they can try to screw you all they want but eventually the cow they milk for $$$ will run dry everyone eventually becomes a adult.
    The best of luck to anyone that has to deal with this appalling agency.
    By: Ian King from Qld, Australia on May 31, 2016 @ 7:44 pm
    Martin

    I had the same experience. I requested copies of the calls, but the important ones had disappeared. I had the exact date, time and duration of the calls from my mobile log, but they couldnt find them.
    By: Martin from QLD, Australia on May 30, 2016 @ 10:19 pm
    Andrew

    You are correct. Telephone conversation with these cunts in the CSA only assist them.

    I requested copies of all my voice recordings. A vast majority were delivered but the important ones have disappeared. Apparently they cannot find them. Bullshit. Don't trust these cunts to look after the conversations. If you do you will be sorry. Tell the fucks to put it in writing.

    A FOI request for the other parties conversation received an answer that they only had 1 page which they were not going to give to me. Yet in the document they produced for the AAT there were multiple pages. They are a bunch of lying fucks.
    By: Tired from NSW, Australia on May 30, 2016 @ 11:05 am
    Many years ago whilst studying, I worked as a security guard part time. I recall a conversation where a co worked said "The more money you have the more problems you have"

    I had a brief relationship with someone raised in a dole bludging family who was looking for a sperm donor with a pot of gold so she could continue the family tradition. I fell into her trap and this dirty little dole bludger was able to put her grubby little fingers in my salary pot. (She was employer but she quit to live on the dole)

    The CSA are just a bunch of dumb government cunts that don't care about the damage they are doing. Nothing will change because there is no united stand by fathers against the government and these cunts. They drove me to the verge of suicide or killing someone.

    It all boils down to money. And if money is the common factor and the problem then if you are in a position to do so then the alternative is to loose the money pot and ultimately the stress. No money pot no problems. This is the only way for my child to have a father. The fucking state can pay.
    By: John holmes from Nsw, Australia on May 29, 2016 @ 9:49 pm
    The unfair part- I am a very highly paid sales person- my wife in court went for 80% of assets because of my income and. Income potential. The problem that arises is you pay maximum child support because of your income - you then have to pay private school fees because of your income - all the Tax is yours but then you get hammered again in your percentage of assets.
    This means the wife gets the major assets and then you support them for many years and likely you will be renting with no future of a life as you have been hit twice.
    Oh yes my wife is CPA qualified, speaks two languages and chooses not to work.
    the law is not fair
    By: Pike from SA, Oz on May 29, 2016 @ 9:41 pm
    Jay, firstly bank accts are both pathetic and unsafe these days, whether it be csa/bank/gov issues. Private trusts ok, joint names maybe, in another's name ok if trust exists, with perhaps an agreement of loan/debt as backup. The idea is not to apply/register/contract with CSA from the start giving them no authority as a 3rd party intervener into your affairs, hence you never agree to their terms or fall into dishonour which brings on their sanctions. If you have already started making payments through them binding you of sorts, you could write to them as the living man (non-commercial) saying your happy to pay upon them first providing proof of any such contract and debt. Whilst there is no silver bullet the above may help get your mind ticking.
    By: Jay from S.A, Australia on May 29, 2016 @ 9:41 am
    Hi , new to the site , CSA are threatening to access my bank accounts and automatically take out CS. Is there a way around this? This is because the ex has changed her mind about private collect agreement, on the advice of 'friends'.
    By: Bryon from Qld, Australia on May 28, 2016 @ 7:12 pm
    Mate, your only option is to request that the amount of super payout be excluded from your csa assessment. Yoy can take this all the way to AAT but i dont think there has been any instance where AAT have overturned the decision.
    You need your ex partner to AGREE for the lump sum to be set aside for assessment purposes. I wish you all the best with that mate.
    1200. By: Subramaniam from NSW , Australia on May 27, 2016 @ 7:33 pm
    I am 58 years old and retired and as i did not have an income i had withdrawn my super income mainly to pay off part of my housing loan and live out of this. But the money that has come to me which is superannuation final benefits have been included as taxable income for income tax purposes and hence my assessment income for that year has gone 4 times my normal income. Now i have got a big bomb shell from CSA to say that since my taxable income is 4 times and hence i will be slugged with that income as my taxable income and hence i have a bill for 30K now to pay, which honestly i cannot afford to pay. I am less than 60 and hence a part of this has been taxed and hence my taxable income has gone up
    Can any one please explain if a final payout from a superannuation - a one time payment and not a monthly income - is CSA right in taking my superannuation benefits on my retirement to treat as a taxable income and asking me pay this 30K. Are they correct. Can anyone URGENTLY help me on this as i want to know the real status before i take the phone and talk to CSA. Your help be highly appreciated. Thanks
    By: robin from nsw, australia on May 27, 2016 @ 10:42 am
    Paul from Vic
    U can start court action on your own its all on the family court web site should cost about $1100 maybe less
    My partner was paying csa for 14yrs for a kid that wasnt his so he went to court and asked for DNA took 2 yrs to do it but the court ruled his way and classed the kid as not his cause the mother refused the test so no more CSA payments. As for CSA themselfs if u ring and tell them to hold of payments as you are in the middle of a court case they will hold of till the court case is over
    By: Paul webb from Victoria , Australia on May 26, 2016 @ 12:31 am
    My daughter is 8 years old. Her mother & I had a brief affair, within two weeks she got back with her Husband, she told me she was pregnant & the child was mine. I trusted this & when my child was born I was present along with her Husband. I cutthe cord when she entered this world & her life began. I then visited again three months later, at this time I had started a relationship with my now wife of six years. During the time I met my wife she decided to cut me out off my daughters life?? My wife emailed her in 2010 as we decided we needed confirmation by means of DNA as we were not certain if the child was mine or the Husbands as neither was she, however as my name was on the birth certificate i was now forced to pay child support. My wife indicated that if the child was mine I would want to spend time with my daughter. Her response was "he will have to go through the courts. I pay a considerable amount of child support & I care for my wifes children also, yes they have a father, but he is pretty much homeless & we receive no child support, they wont even take this into consideration?! I desperately want to have contact with my child but I only have a suburb & state & no actual address. My wife & i have sought legal help which will cost us $30,000, we cannot afford this. Recently an anonymous friend has attempted to go to my wifes previous employment & spoke to a colleague & advised we need to start legislation immediately before its too late, she has concerns for my daughters welfare & further advised my daughter has cerebal palsy & also indicated my childs family are going to run as they are aware we are trying to locate them. Unfortunately this lady was not given our details due to privacy. We are very distressed, this lady may have been able to give us an address. If I stop paying child support this will hurt them; as neither my daughters mother or stepfather generate income, they also have three children of their own so they would be living off centrelink payments. But if I dont pay child support wil prosecute me, why should I have to pay when I cant see my child & gave grave concerns I never will? Really would love some advice
    By: David Farmer from Hertfordshire, United Kingdom on May 26, 2016 @ 12:18 am
    Child Support Agency sues father who lavished cash on daughters
    The Child Support Agency launched a court case against a man who had just lavished more than $17,000 on his daughters because the money did not flow through the federal government agency.
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/child-support-agency-sues-father-who-lavished-cash-on-daughters-20151015-gkakup.html
    By: Bryon from Qld, Australia on May 23, 2016 @ 7:09 pm
    Nick, sorry mate, zero chance if any positive outcome for you there.

    Has she lodged tax returns? If yes then zero chance. If no then there is a slight chance but theres nothing you could do (or need to do) for a reassessment. It can only be acted upon once lodged.

    Sorry, /end!
    By: Nick from NSW, Australia on May 22, 2016 @ 2:48 pm
    Hey all. I'm in a similar situation to Suzy's where I had the kids for 10 years and received very little in payments over that time (none at all in the first 6 years). Like her I was decent and didn't pursue money through CSA. She told me she would pay me lump sums "when her business got successful", so we went with a private arrangement. Needless to say, the lump sums never eventuated (even though she now lives in Neutral Bay, drives a BMW and the kids go to Mosman High). Anyway, for the whole time they were with me and even now, she has declared $0 income. My assessments were therefore UNDER-calculated and what I have to pay her now that she has the kids is OVER-calculated. My question to anyone who might know is: is it worth trying to have her obviously false Tax declarations investigated in the hope of getting my very high payment amount reduced? Or is it a waste of time? Reading through all the horrible stories here at this forum doesn't give me much hope, but I'd like to know that it's an option I could pursue if needed. Thanks guys and chins up; I love the advice from those saying move on and live your life your own way!
    By: Tony L from NSW, Australia on May 21, 2016 @ 10:01 pm
    Andrew, Thank you for your wise and sound advice. The best way to wreck a system is to use it. I think we can all benefit from using your methods when dealing with the scourge of the CSA.
    By: Andrew from NSW, Australia on May 19, 2016 @ 7:46 pm
    After dealing with the CSA cretins for several years now. You need to hold them accountable.

    I've had them lie directly to me and call on mobile phones that cannot be monitored 'because it is easier' and increase assessments when I have told them that I was in between jobs which was proven true.

    I eventually received $0 payment assessment response for the same period 4 years later. Requested call records for the mobile calls have never eventuated. They have also incorrectly estimated my payments by $8000 and I was proven right later.

    I have a 200+ page record now made a few years ago where CSA complaints were finally printed out after a year of insistent case escalation.

    The only method I use now to hold the CSA account with their utter f^&kery is:

    1. Record all phone calls. Inform them upfront that you are recording their phone calls. CSA will complain or hang up on you. Call back, if they hang up again then call the CSA complaints line and repeat. Always get the sequence number at the end of the call and it is a breach if it is not provided.

    Check your state laws and ignore any claims by the CSA frontline droids that you need warrant. My bank needs no warrant to record my call for 'training' purposes as they inform me upfront too.

    Relevant Legislation - Section 7:
    https://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Privacy/tia.html
    https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2013C00361

    CSA will never retrieve old calls even if the sequence number is provided to confirm past conversations. Keep your copy instead.

    2. Request that you are on the written correspondence list only. They don't like this but it is a requirement since not every CSA customer will have phone and you should be able to be treated equally. Do not answer any private number phones calls - ever.

    3. Screen capture any emails sent to the CSA with the submitted sequence number issues after the email is sent. They have 'never' responded to any of my sent emails.

    4. As I am a CSA 'customer' then I expect good service. Escalate any issues while recording up the chain of CSA command. Failing that go to the complaints line, failing that to your local member which is useful in a election period. This worked for me.

    5. Document all calls and correspondence in a diary.

    If I suspect any breach of legislation then I make it clear that I will take legal action and the CSA correspondence will be used as evidence in any court action.

    I have two children that have suffered parental alienation and they don't talk to me any more courtesy of lies against me. The ex- uses this as a tool to extract more time and hence CSA payments.

    The ex's payout bought her another home which is rented to her brother. Repeated requests to the CSA to investigate these under the table payments based on the market value of the property have not ever been actioned.

    My new assessment is $25k per year for one child under 18 years now.

    All of these things are just to keep them honest and its a headache but needs to be done. I've heard enough off-the-cuff CSA lies and comments. I get better results now.

    CSA aggression is no doubt in my mind the leading cause of male suicide for the 30-45 yr old age bracket.

    I wish you all well in your fights against the most corrupt and inept government organisation that is allowed to continue unchecked.

    Stay strong all. The scourge of CSA %^&*'s will leave you alone one day ...........

    Hold them accountable even if it means more work.
    By: James from SA, Australia on May 18, 2016 @ 10:41 pm
    ive been paying child support now for about 3 years. when I first started paying I was paying about $3500 year based on $50000 wage, about a year later my wage increased to $70000, my payments doubled, then my boy turned 13 and my payments almost tripled....I know pay almost $11000 year. How the hell is that fair, he doesn't cost anymore to look after now than he did 3 years ago. My ex was managing fine then. I was also giving extra at the start for sporting commitments. Once my payments doubled the extra money had to stop and I advised my ex to take the sports funds from the extra $3500 I was to start paying. That caused WW3. now i've been pushed out of being involved in his sport and the new boyfriend has moved in. I cant afford to [ay the amount I am paying. I am struggling to have a life. I have recently found a new partner. I'm really worried this is going to affect my relationship in-case we cant afford to do things together. I am head over heals in love with my partner and it would kill me to loose her and I don't want to be financially dependant on her. I have thought about just paying child support what I can afford or think is acceptable. I have no house or money for them to take off of me. so might be an option. I'm really lost for ideas guys, I've tried getting reassessments done based on percentage spent, her income etc, but to no avail....Suzy, I don't own my own business but do have an ABN number, can I still set up a trust fund??
    By: mark from nsw, australia on May 14, 2016 @ 11:23 am
    Criminal profile of a Child Support Agency worker.

    Someone who grew up with the only aspiration of obtaining a high school certificate, or as close to it as they could get.
    Someone who then seeks a sheltered paper pushing, fat assed job with the government.
    Someone that puts greater effort into getting out of work than doing the work properly.
    Someone who goes on strike to demand more pay for their lack of effort.

    In a nut shell. These are dumb assed morons that are lazy and have no ambition. When they see someone that has succeeded in life and has a salary conciderably greater than theirs their narrow little minds get jealous and they conspire to bring them down using laws concocted by other morons in government.
    The irony is that someone has put these dip shits in charge and has allowed them to destroy the lives of others(People who are motivated, have self pride and who are beneficial to society) unlike these rodents in the CSA.

    The AAT is probably funded by the government and if so is not going to bite the hand that feeds it and as such cannot be seen as independent.
    1190. By: Ian King from QLD, Australia on May 11, 2016 @ 5:37 pm
    Just got my AAT decision back as well. Also as expected it did not go in my favour.

    Ignoring for a minute the lies told by the other side, which were accepted as fact, and the ignoring of evidence presented by myself, which appear to be standard operating procedure, I am still amazed at the inaccuracies in the AAT decision. They get facts completely wrong, dates wrong, figures wrong. Child care percentages, which have appeared on CSA documentation for months, are incorrectly stated in the AAT decision.

    Unbelievable !
    By: Byron from Vic, Au on May 10, 2016 @ 7:09 pm
    I used to put money into my kids bank account every fortnight as a way to save up for their school excursions, I stopped when my ex started taking money from me through CSA as I could no longer afford it. There is about $1000 across the 3 accounts. She has now gotten hold of their bank books and is threatening to take me to court so she can get hold of the money and try to prove I have more money than I say I do. does she have any grounds for this?
    By: daniel from New South Wales, Australia on May 10, 2016 @ 6:34 pm
    hi suzy i already have a company of which i am a director and an existing family trust under my name only. So what you are saying is that if i set up my existing family trust and put my 2 boys in the trust aged 12 and 15 and show that the trust earns more than $800 per week ($400 per child), i can then advise child support of this and i would no longer need to pay child support to my ex for my 2 boys ???, and as long as the trust continues to show a weekly increase of $800 per week there is nothing my ex can do about it ??? and i have the option of how much i then decide to give them when they are 18 lets say ??? i have a daughter aged 9 so i would continue to pay child support to my ex just for her ??? am i reading what you said correctly ???
    By: Not Surprised from WA, Aus on May 7, 2016 @ 11:03 am
    Just received decision from AAT. As expected it did not go in my favour. Even whilst her lies and exaggerations were pointed out and proven,they were ignored, along with all my real evidence. I felt the whole procedure was put in place just to humour me, when they knew full well, the hard working father sitting in front of the panel,who has never missed a CS payment, ever had a chance.
    This extremely bias system has enabled another vindictive mother to carry on with what she does often and best.
    Time to get over it now, love my family and be glad that I am not her.
    If anyone is thinking of using the Chid support help agencies that canvass on these sites, be aware that the $1000 they charge will only get you a letter written. After that you are pretty much on your own, as calls will be ignored.
    Anyway, time to look after my self, pay my ridiculous amount of CS, and manage the best I can.
    Good luck to all out there.
    By: rich from western australia, Australia on May 6, 2016 @ 7:04 pm
    found this page which is interesting how vocal the canadians are getting about this https://www.facebook.com/FathersRightsAlberta/?fref=nf
    By: Suzy from NSW, Australia on May 2, 2016 @ 4:21 pm
    To Explain... The trust account is in your name...whether you choose to give all or some of it to your child or not at 18 is up to you....and no I wouldn't be telling the child about it, it's just a way to start putting aside now for later if and when they deserve it. I'm not suggesting you bribe your children to see you...but I am suggesting you teach them responsibility by using things that they like which can also give you things to do with your children...IE A puppy requires walking/ feeding and cleaning up after as well as love...these are all things that should be done by your child with you present. Walking the dog for an hour with your child is good for both of you and so can be cleaning up after it and training it...much better than playing Xbox. The same is said for enrolling your children in sports...good for both of you...I make these suggestions for the fathers that are not getting a lot of time with their kids...sure thee things won't reduce your child support payments unless you have them overnight more...but they don't cost much and they will increase time with your children whilst teaching them valuable life lessons. Same goes for attending the school functions with them...they love it and unless you have some sort of criminal charges against you to do with your child you can not be stopped attending any of these things. As for enrolling your kids in maths and English tutors...this is NOT something they would appreciate from you right now...but it certainly will help them down the track and it shows that your childs best interests are with you (obviously if your child is a straight A student this isn't necessary) statisticly speaking alot of children with separated / waring parents have problems at school. As for CSA if you pay school / tutor fees...they only accept it after you've done it. In my view if a child is with you around 90% of the time they will cost you $300 a week (that's without sport fees/ tutors/ or day care if their little.) I've been on both sides of this...I'm now the paying parent...just in my first 3 weeks of that and I can honestly say...having my teenage son 4 nights a fortnight and paying child support is a lot cheaper and easier than when I had him 12 days a fortnight. My time with him now that I'm not the taxi, provider and disciplinarian and house maid is much more enjoyable. No washing, no dirty dishes, no friends sleepovers, no trashed bedroom and rest of the house, no more arguements,I certainly miss him and it's hard to get used to and I do sometimes begrudge paying my EX...but only because he didn't pay any money for several years OR see his son very often by his own Choice....Once you get over that though and you look at the big scheme of things is $5,000 or $10,000 a year really that much to pay towards your child? isn't it worth it? and if you do just pay it can't you attend all those school events and sporting games too? and if and when you do attend them don't you feel like you get something back when they score that goal or even when they stuff up and you get to console them. These are the things that tied in with Disneyland Mum or Dad give everybody what they need...you just have to get past that paying that lazy useless bitch or bastard that money..learn to revel in it, thrive on it if they are as useless as my ex it wouldn't matter if you were giving them a grand a week they'll still have nothing 10 years from now.
    By: Kris from Nsw, Australia on April 30, 2016 @ 10:14 pm
    Hi, I offered my ex to pay for my sons school fees.
    This would mean that the sum of the school fees would come out of what I pay her.
    She rejected the offer and so did the csa. You gotta love choice:)
    Trevor, could not agree with you more.
    By: Trevor Watson from NSW, Australia on April 30, 2016 @ 9:27 am
    Nice suggestions Susie, keep in mind that guiding parents who have the best interests of their children in mind must demonstrate that deceit has no place in our world. Our children watch Governments and other primary adults manipulate and deceive one another with MONEY being the main motive. Disney parenting simply maintains and perpetuates this fake money driven illusion. Our children learn to value love in $$$ terms and further manipulation. Relationships should not be based on money or the manipulation of it. Children should not be motivated to spend with their parents by what their parents can give them. We simply feed the material monster within humanity. To teach our children great lessons may come at a great cost . A cost that does not involve $$$
    By: Paul from Qld, Australia on April 29, 2016 @ 7:38 pm
    Thanks all for your reply it just I started a company and mother on my first child she has now 7 kids to 7 different fathers and has never worked and she just wrecked all my hard work I spent my life saving for I fell behind on my payment of only 400 dollars and csa froze my bank and took every cent I and my company acc had all $2000 dollars I rang csa and my bank and they said we can't give your money back I said my bill was only 400 why take 2000 and csa said we took if for future payment not happy
    By: suzy from NSW, Australia on April 29, 2016 @ 3:19 pm
    This may help...Read between the lines...those who have a child of 11+ &have a company / business...
    Once a child earns $14,000 a year Centrelink payment to the custodial parent are stopped. This is also true for a said figure in a trust account for the child.
    Once a child earns $400 per week or more the child can be deemed self sufficient and the "paying parent' can just write to the CSA and the child support case is closed.
    If either parent (custodial or Non custodial) can show proof that they are paying for expenses for the child such as School expenses,Tutor fees,guitar lessons,football,soccer etc, these cost's can be taken from your child support payment.I find that both the receiving parent &the paying parent all say it's not about the money it's about the best interests of my child.Therefore, if it is put in writing for all to see amongst the parents that dad /whoever wants to set up a trust account to be paid into for"the Child" that is to go to him / her at 18or wants to send him/her to a tutor/ guitar lessons or whatever&pay for it &wants said amount to be taken off the child support. It can be done...you approach your ex in writing with said plan...in order to achieve said plan your ex has to notify CSA that they are going into a private collection arrangement and no longer wish to have CSA collect on their behalf...at this point CSA will close the case. CSA will not collect any unpaid child support that has not been paid when the case is not on the books...it doesn't matter how much it is. Also centrelink is opposed to paying people for their children when they have other options. If your ex refuses there is written proof that you wanted to set your child up for their future and that you did show to your child &your ex that you did have the best interest of the child at heart.At the very least the one who really has the best interest of the child at heart is exposed as is the one that is only in it for the money...plus those of you that are pissed about giving the money to your ex because you don't think it's going to your child...no longer have that dilemma because if you set up the trust account or tutor or whatever You are the trustee for Little Joanie or Jimmy & or are documented as paying towards the child
    if you do not have your own company that you can organise some casual employment for your child through...then they can not get paid work until they are 14/9 months but if you have a " Family Business" they can work in it from 11 years old. If you are the trustee of the childs bank account...it is your account
    you pay tax on any interest it earns etc...BUT the custodial parent has to declare that this trust account exists and it reduces the amount of centrelink payments they can get or cuts them out altogether at a certain amount. Get creative people &put your kids best interests first...why not pay 1,000 a term for a Maths and English tutor that will get them along way& help them,then not have to pay that to your ex. Also get more involved at your kids school,with their teachers...go to book week...go to the classroom visits and attend all the parent teacher nights, the soccer and netball games..manage and coach the team etc..., this will make you number one in your kids eyes & those that have influence on them. For those who want to get the kids visiting more buy a puppy send the kids a pic, ask them when they are coming over to name it& play with it.
    You need to become "Disneyland Mum or Dad"
    1180. By: robin from nsw, australia on April 29, 2016 @ 10:11 am
    Paul
    No if the company is not in your name BUT you own it than they cant get money from it CSA can only take money from your own bank accounts NOT a company bank account
    By: Paul from Qld , Australia on April 28, 2016 @ 9:47 pm
    Hi dose anyone know how child support works with a pty Ltd company and can they garnish money from that
    By: robin from nsw, australia on April 28, 2016 @ 8:29 am
    Sharon
    Csa states that until a child becomes self supporting eg has a job own income or starts to pay tax then the paying parent is no longer required to pay child support UNLESS that child is still in full time study Or the paying parent has a debt with CSA then he will still have to pay until debt is cleared with them
    By: Sharon Pearce from NSW, Australia on April 26, 2016 @ 2:20 pm
    How is it, my brother has to pay child support for his 16 yr old girl, who has had a baby?
    Surely she is NOW independent / emancipated
    He has never been allowed access to the kids , he has no money to go to court all the time, the end results speak for themselves, his little girl is pregnant. I think it's ridiculous to expect him to remain responsible for a child that has a child.
    He reckons child support has told him he has to pay until she is eighteen.. really ?? is that true?
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