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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children what, how and when?
Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.
Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.
For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.
Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.
From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society not a free Australia causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.
As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,
I do strongly suggest in using your local political member who usually have someone in house to liase with the CSA higher up the food chain than the call centre and complaints group provided you have legitimate complaint that can be supported and not just a grumbling session.
The local political members keep stats on these things and apparently are legally obliged to respond and act to your queries. I have had better responses using this approach.
Even if you have no success in your claim then atleast there is another avenue that is aware of the CSA's actions and in big enough numbers it may gain some traction and critical mass.
Keep a copy of the CSA legislation handy and search for sections that affect your situation. This should ultimately be the CSA's bible and hence must follow it. The frontline CSA staff do not seem to be aware of much of it from my personal experience.
This is handy online guide but hold the pdf copy handy since I think it may have more detail.
I share your pain and just want and expect some equality.
Now I scan all of my CSA dealings with a fine toothed comb since they cannot be trusted and are a debt collection agency foremost and must be treated as such.
Be strong and focused my friends............
This is a case drawing upon both the supervisory and adjudicative authority of our nation’s highest court to rectify family court processes in the states that “shock the conscience,” Rochin v California, 342 US 165 (1953). Through an unchecked expansion of
authority over America’s children, local family judges have been able to abuse equity jurisdiction to invade every aspect of private life. Such power can exceed that exercised by the NSA, IRS and CIA
Time for change! So long csa!
No wonder suicide rate is so high. I bet those men are happy now they're free from csa.
At least I know I'm not alone here. People judge absent parents but sometimes we don't have a choice really
If you had no money to buy a house , would the bank let you buy one?
If you couldn't afford a car that you want could you still buy it.
then why is it that the parent who cant afford to support the child, 9 times out of 10 gets to keep that child.
custody should be based on the ability to support the child.
if you cant even support yourself, then how can you afford to support a child.
that would mean that the child support you receive goes to support you .putting the child second.
If a"deadbeat father" is someone who is forced to pay cs. Then what is the term that best describes a mother who refuses access to the father?
Revolution dreaming. ...
I offered to put aside whatever amount I can afford in a account for my daughter when she's older but my ex told me to fuck off. My ex is well off and has told me she doesn't need my money but wants me to suffer which I told them but csa continue to take my pay and don't leave me enough to get by on.
Maybe i should get a job far away from ex or work for myself and not lodge tax return like other's do and GIVE UP WITH CSA. My daughter will come to me when she's grown up. Maybe it's time to move on with life and move away until this country stops fucking fathers over
They will keep racking up the debt no matter what and at some stage you WILL pay, we need a means of stopping their corruption.
Dont get me wrong, i have no qualms whatsoever in "contributing" to my sons welfare. In fact id have him 100% in a heartbeat but the sda fact is im not contributing, i am being used as the sole supporter whilst his mother lives the perfect lifestyle. Re-married, nice job, house, overseas holidays and im the one paying for it all. great system.
Geoff, what one has to look at is, who/what is govt, csa, dhs, legislation, corporations, living man, contracts and consent? Being responsible for one's flesh n blood and unknowingly being a slave to a fiction and 3rd party interloper out of ignorance and deception are two different things in my book. One either lives under the creator or under man and his 10 million statutes biased toward the state. Like being good or evil, it's all a choice and individual journey. Just remember, we're all on the seas of commerce.
As for your situation Daryl, Why does this familiar story keep happening? the CSA are criminal in the way they do things yet accountable to no one.
A law unto themselves and can do what ever they want without fear of reprimand.
What do we as a collective group do? what can i as an individual do?
I have googled and searched for answers, contacted the ombudsman and done as much as i can but it seems like a dead end in every direction.
How can we change the corruption and destruction causing of this agency?
Is there a method or avenue of having it addressed?
Ihave found documents online from the Ombudsman and some other investigation a few years back on the services of the CSA and it is damning yet fark all is being done and no action taken on them.
Im at my witts end trying to sort out my own mess let alone pay my ex $1950 a month based on my earnings nearly 3 years ago!!!oh and the ex continually telling them she has my boy 100% when that is simply not true and apart from the time i have with him which is over the 51 days it costs me around $5k a pop to see him..
I dont want to become a statistic.
I But Saw Him Passing ( Father-Daughter Bond) 20-02-16
Every time the law fails a father
It fails a child
Every day that passes
him passes her
Every day without contact with her
Is every day their bond diminished
Each happy smile, cry and nappy changed
Each walk in prams to count the cows
Each flower picked, each preparation
For the visits to the grandparents,
the park, the doctors, friends, the trip to town
Her determined little frown
Each day that passes
him passes her
Every time the law fails a father
It fails a child
Every day that passes
him passes her
Every day without contact with him
Is a flower missed about to bloom
A song unsung or with no tune
Every day he is denied her presence, she is denied his love.
Farther-Daughter bond diminished to a weekly payment (centrelink dot gov)
And if we're talking numbers, the 50:50 care
That was always part of their routine they shared
comes to nothing in the end when
Her smile, her love and her
are all withheld
A hope given and then burned
A good-bye kiss with no return
Every day that passes
him passes her
Every time the law fails a father
it fails a child.
Alison your husbands story is a classic example, which thousands go through with those maggots at csa. I was hit with back pay of around 2 thousand dollars because my ex said that i didn't have my son for the 51 nights,even though I had the airfare tickets to prove it. I even had a confirmation email from my ex that he was staying with me over Christmas period. I gave the csa the evidence .a week or so later,to my relief, i wad told by csa that the back pay is dropped. Few weeks later I was told that my ex is taking the case to the tribunal. She submitted bogus statutory declarations from her girlfriends and one from her mother,which wasn't even jp signed or stamped, stating that i didn't have my son over the Christmas period . I received a letter from the csa tribunal that i will need to pay the back pay and i also lost my reduction based on the 51 nights care.
So there you go people, all the best of luck dealing with those parasites. Please note this also took a huge toll on my relationship with my wife as well. I have custody court orders but csa would not use them . instead they took the bogus evidence from a bunch of girlfriends and my ex mother in law .
I did try to fight it but got nowhere with it.
Maybe some domestic violence needs to be dished out to enforce these court orders?. Wishful thinking. ...
I just want to say keep your chin up they can try to screw you all they want but eventually the cow they milk for $$$ will run dry everyone eventually becomes a adult.
The best of luck to anyone that has to deal with this appalling agency.
I had the same experience. I requested copies of the calls, but the important ones had disappeared. I had the exact date, time and duration of the calls from my mobile log, but they couldnt find them.
You are correct. Telephone conversation with these cunts in the CSA only assist them.
I requested copies of all my voice recordings. A vast majority were delivered but the important ones have disappeared. Apparently they cannot find them. Bullshit. Don't trust these cunts to look after the conversations. If you do you will be sorry. Tell the fucks to put it in writing.
A FOI request for the other parties conversation received an answer that they only had 1 page which they were not going to give to me. Yet in the document they produced for the AAT there were multiple pages. They are a bunch of lying fucks.
I had a brief relationship with someone raised in a dole bludging family who was looking for a sperm donor with a pot of gold so she could continue the family tradition. I fell into her trap and this dirty little dole bludger was able to put her grubby little fingers in my salary pot. (She was employer but she quit to live on the dole)
The CSA are just a bunch of dumb government cunts that don't care about the damage they are doing. Nothing will change because there is no united stand by fathers against the government and these cunts. They drove me to the verge of suicide or killing someone.
It all boils down to money. And if money is the common factor and the problem then if you are in a position to do so then the alternative is to loose the money pot and ultimately the stress. No money pot no problems. This is the only way for my child to have a father. The fucking state can pay.
This means the wife gets the major assets and then you support them for many years and likely you will be renting with no future of a life as you have been hit twice.
Oh yes my wife is CPA qualified, speaks two languages and chooses not to work.
the law is not fair
You need your ex partner to AGREE for the lump sum to be set aside for assessment purposes. I wish you all the best with that mate.
Can any one please explain if a final payout from a superannuation - a one time payment and not a monthly income - is CSA right in taking my superannuation benefits on my retirement to treat as a taxable income and asking me pay this 30K. Are they correct. Can anyone URGENTLY help me on this as i want to know the real status before i take the phone and talk to CSA. Your help be highly appreciated. Thanks
U can start court action on your own its all on the family court web site should cost about $1100 maybe less
My partner was paying csa for 14yrs for a kid that wasnt his so he went to court and asked for DNA took 2 yrs to do it but the court ruled his way and classed the kid as not his cause the mother refused the test so no more CSA payments. As for CSA themselfs if u ring and tell them to hold of payments as you are in the middle of a court case they will hold of till the court case is over
The Child Support Agency launched a court case against a man who had just lavished more than $17,000 on his daughters because the money did not flow through the federal government agency.
Has she lodged tax returns? If yes then zero chance. If no then there is a slight chance but theres nothing you could do (or need to do) for a reassessment. It can only be acted upon once lodged.
I've had them lie directly to me and call on mobile phones that cannot be monitored 'because it is easier' and increase assessments when I have told them that I was in between jobs which was proven true.
I eventually received $0 payment assessment response for the same period 4 years later. Requested call records for the mobile calls have never eventuated. They have also incorrectly estimated my payments by $8000 and I was proven right later.
I have a 200+ page record now made a few years ago where CSA complaints were finally printed out after a year of insistent case escalation.
The only method I use now to hold the CSA account with their utter f^&kery is:
1. Record all phone calls. Inform them upfront that you are recording their phone calls. CSA will complain or hang up on you. Call back, if they hang up again then call the CSA complaints line and repeat. Always get the sequence number at the end of the call and it is a breach if it is not provided.
Check your state laws and ignore any claims by the CSA frontline droids that you need warrant. My bank needs no warrant to record my call for 'training' purposes as they inform me upfront too.
Relevant Legislation - Section 7:
CSA will never retrieve old calls even if the sequence number is provided to confirm past conversations. Keep your copy instead.
2. Request that you are on the written correspondence list only. They don't like this but it is a requirement since not every CSA customer will have phone and you should be able to be treated equally. Do not answer any private number phones calls - ever.
3. Screen capture any emails sent to the CSA with the submitted sequence number issues after the email is sent. They have 'never' responded to any of my sent emails.
4. As I am a CSA 'customer' then I expect good service. Escalate any issues while recording up the chain of CSA command. Failing that go to the complaints line, failing that to your local member which is useful in a election period. This worked for me.
5. Document all calls and correspondence in a diary.
If I suspect any breach of legislation then I make it clear that I will take legal action and the CSA correspondence will be used as evidence in any court action.
I have two children that have suffered parental alienation and they don't talk to me any more courtesy of lies against me. The ex- uses this as a tool to extract more time and hence CSA payments.
The ex's payout bought her another home which is rented to her brother. Repeated requests to the CSA to investigate these under the table payments based on the market value of the property have not ever been actioned.
My new assessment is $25k per year for one child under 18 years now.
All of these things are just to keep them honest and its a headache but needs to be done. I've heard enough off-the-cuff CSA lies and comments. I get better results now.
CSA aggression is no doubt in my mind the leading cause of male suicide for the 30-45 yr old age bracket.
I wish you all well in your fights against the most corrupt and inept government organisation that is allowed to continue unchecked.
Stay strong all. The scourge of CSA %^&*'s will leave you alone one day ...........
Hold them accountable even if it means more work.
Someone who grew up with the only aspiration of obtaining a high school certificate, or as close to it as they could get.
Someone who then seeks a sheltered paper pushing, fat assed job with the government.
Someone that puts greater effort into getting out of work than doing the work properly.
Someone who goes on strike to demand more pay for their lack of effort.
In a nut shell. These are dumb assed morons that are lazy and have no ambition. When they see someone that has succeeded in life and has a salary conciderably greater than theirs their narrow little minds get jealous and they conspire to bring them down using laws concocted by other morons in government.
The irony is that someone has put these dip shits in charge and has allowed them to destroy the lives of others(People who are motivated, have self pride and who are beneficial to society) unlike these rodents in the CSA.
The AAT is probably funded by the government and if so is not going to bite the hand that feeds it and as such cannot be seen as independent.
Ignoring for a minute the lies told by the other side, which were accepted as fact, and the ignoring of evidence presented by myself, which appear to be standard operating procedure, I am still amazed at the inaccuracies in the AAT decision. They get facts completely wrong, dates wrong, figures wrong. Child care percentages, which have appeared on CSA documentation for months, are incorrectly stated in the AAT decision.