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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: robin from nsw, australia on April 28, 2016 @ 8:29 am
    Csa states that until a child becomes self supporting eg has a job own income or starts to pay tax then the paying parent is no longer required to pay child support UNLESS that child is still in full time study Or the paying parent has a debt with CSA then he will still have to pay until debt is cleared with them
    By: Sharon Pearce from NSW, Australia on April 26, 2016 @ 2:20 pm
    How is it, my brother has to pay child support for his 16 yr old girl, who has had a baby?
    Surely she is NOW independent / emancipated
    He has never been allowed access to the kids , he has no money to go to court all the time, the end results speak for themselves, his little girl is pregnant. I think it's ridiculous to expect him to remain responsible for a child that has a child.
    He reckons child support has told him he has to pay until she is eighteen.. really ?? is that true?
    By: Mike from Vic, Aust on April 25, 2016 @ 7:15 pm
    Fred you are right,

    I cannot figure out why the family court of injustice continue to award mothers custody over the fathers, even when it is proven the father is a better parent and can supply the child with a better home environment.

    The only reasoning I come up with is that judges are still living in the past where dad went to work and supported the family financially and mum stayed at home and gave the emotional support.

    Guess what, times have changed, most couple have to work now to pay off a house, there are stay at home dads, fathers are now more invested in their children on all levels.

    And, most of all as I see it. Men give life to children, it is OUR sperm that starts the spark of life, otherwise every month that potential life is just flushed away, biological fact.

    I hear it all the time from women "my child" it's not your child b@&ch it's ours. Your were just the incubator and suffer from golden uterus syndrome.

    By: Flipper from Victoria, Australia on April 25, 2016 @ 4:37 pm
    Have to agree with most of the anti-CSA sentiment on this thread. Back in 2012 they set my payments against an old income, which subsequently racked up a huge debt. I went 10 years prior to that in a private arrangement without any major issues. I've fought the CSA for three years over the arrears, and they've finally reduced the debt by more than 90% - although the arrears for late payments is still bigger than the actual child support debt, and the rulings are inconsistent.
    I do find the system unfair, but you have to fight it. I;ve spent countless hours dealing with them on lunchbreaks when it's the only chance I can talk. I've had them knock back COA's a bunch of times, but I didn't give up. It was a lot of money, so it was worth fighting. There's very little to support men through the mental and financial hardship that comes with separation/divorce - not to mention the worry about kids growing up without their dads, and with the alienation that comes with it.
    Maybe it's time the corporate world started putting some money back into men's services; training and support programs; helping them understand the systems so they get some support.
    By: suzy from QLD, Australia on April 25, 2016 @ 1:26 pm
    Has anyone else dealt with these companies that "say" they can become your liason for CSA. In our experience all they do is take your money and then advise you to lie/rort the system. They sent us a completed form for our GP to sign saying that due to stress "name" is no longer able to work. Our GP was appalled anyone would try to do something so illegal. And when we mentioned this to them, they suggested DR shopping until we found one who would sign. We are not opposed to paying child support but at the correct amount. At the moment we are being assessed on our mortgage amount and when we petitioned for a change of assessment they denied our case. Stating the previous earning amount even though due to health my husband has cut back his earning and we now work through a business in my name with employees doing the majority of work. At the moment our monthly assessed amount is more than we pay for the child in our to care to attend private school for a term. How fair is this.
    By: Hado from Sydney NSW, Australia on April 24, 2016 @ 5:50 pm
    hahaha Rita Carter Thomas y0u are a fool haha the government takes us for fools why do you try?

    you made me laugh anyway. ask mr spellcast to rid Australia of a theif called CSA

    By: Trevor from NSW, Australia on April 22, 2016 @ 10:14 am
    This will only effect those who are working for a Company, organisation or department. Anyone earning cash or paying themselves will only be affected went declaring their own income. We must remain creative and think our way out of the spider's Web. Do not accept or succumb to this psyops government project. Creatively change your ways and free yourselves
    By: Rob from WA, Australia on April 22, 2016 @ 1:35 am
    Well its even worse a reaming for me now. I moved to the US for work, the money is less than i was getting in Australia when i was employed but as i was made redundant Feb last year i needed the job. Now the kicker.
    Not only did the CSA use my 2015 earnings plus the redunancy payout to base my payments on(which is like $1960 a month for one child!!!) my USA earnings also have everything added to it like the hire car they let me use, the rent they pay for the unit im in,Airfares etc everything they pay for me to stay and work goes on top of your earnings so my $100k job shows up like $200k earnings. the system sucks
    1170. By: Mike from Vic, Aust on April 21, 2016 @ 8:51 pm
    Yep, STP or single touch payroll.

    The tax office has received $189 mil to implement this program. Each and every time you get paid it is automatically reported to the ATO/CSA.

    Compulsory start for a company with over 20 employees on 1 July 2018.

    Please bend over a little more fellas, the reaming is about to get worse.

    By: Trevor from NSW, Australia on April 21, 2016 @ 8:09 pm
    Hear hear Kris. Couldn't agree more. There is much power in your stated wisdom here. Your words offer valuable guidance for the many reading this site in search of answers in aim of reducing pain and blockages. Nice work
    By: Byron from Vic, AU on April 21, 2016 @ 12:16 pm
    Anyone heard about the "One Touch Payroll" project the ATO are running? This will mean that every time an employer runs their payroll they have to digitally report it to the ATO. This will create digital visibility and linkage between CentreLink CSA, ATO and other Govt depts.

    So all those that are not declaring their income, or delay doing their tax returns, will be exposed. YAY to us fathers whose ex's are rauting the system and draining us. They won't be able to hide any more.
    By: Kris from Nsw, Australia on April 21, 2016 @ 9:59 am
    Hi to all paying parents, csa/family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new "stolen generation" and "domestic violence".
    It will NEVER change in this country don't waste you energy fighting this contrived system. Instead focus on your own life and not waste your time on things that will drive you up the wall and you can't change. Why do you think so many guys take their own life? So many people a killed because of this injustice? So many children torn apart . Your kids will always be your kids no matter what and one day they will come to know the truth. It's painful not having them but your pain and anger can only be overcome by peace in your own heart and life , otherwise what else is left sorrow?drugs/alcohol all leading to misery. Beat the system and don't let it beat you, and stay alive...
    By: Trevor from NSW, Australia on April 21, 2016 @ 12:49 am
    Thanks Susie, Mike is on the mark here. You have paid your dues. If I were you I would secure my cash and assets by joint bank accounts and shared titles. This way the Gustarpo can't touch your resources. I would minimize my tax declarations and not pay one cent more to the Gustarpo. Ignore all communication with this soul crushing organization and go live your life the way you choose. Do not become entangled in this spider's Web. Be creative. Cut your losses and move on in joy and happiness. It is YOUR life, no one else's. Don't allow this crap to bring you down. It has been way to successful in bringing too many down. You are the controller of your life. The zombies on the CSA phone line have no place in your life. You didn't invite them into it did you?
    By: Mike from Vic, Aust on April 20, 2016 @ 10:41 pm
    Hi Suzy,

    Sorry but a custody agreement is worth nothing and so is a useless court order.
    All my ex had to do was convince/bribe the children.
    Eg. Two weeks of school holiday, my weekend the last weekend of said school holiday - not overnight by this stage. Phone call Friday night by my youngest son, "hi dad, not coming this weekend cos mum has organised a sleep over for me"

    Of course she did, can't even breach her for contravention cos they just say "it's what the child wanted"

    Yes Suzy, they ignore your tax return and hit you with "potential earnings".
    They then use this figure even if your not earning it and you pay support on the amount they deem you COULD earn.

    My ex put in a complaint on my reduced earnings, CSA agreed with her even though I had A mental health program and regular visits with my doctor, my mental health didn't matter to them, this then left me with a large CSA debt.

    Men, stop having children until Australia recognises us as equals in this arena
    By: Suzy from NSW, Australia on April 20, 2016 @ 1:36 pm
    Thanks Trevor, and so sorry to here how it's turned out for you, I can certainly relate, I also never instigated any legal proceedings to recover unpaid child support as I didn't want to mess up my sons life and also I relate to the "Gustapo" issue as even though their records show my ex has unpaid child support over $40,000,which I never tried to collect, they told me yesterday that If I didn't pay the arrears on mine of $235 that they would be taking it from my bank account and I haven't received Family tax benefit or any other centrelink payment since 2007 and had 93% to 100% care of my son for just over 16 years. It seems the women on here seem to have picked the deadbeat dads as partners and the men on here seemed to pick the lazy bitches that think having a child/ children is an excuse not to work again and that the taxpayer should pay for it. I'm interested in your 26,000/96,000 salary lodgement, So are you saying that when I lodge my tax return even if it shows that I have earned less than the previous year that they are currently assessing me on that they can refuse to accept the figure and still claim I have to pay based on the previous assessment? IE They have already told me that I have no recourse based on the unpaid 40,000 over the previous 10 years because I didn't object at the time, so do they have the power to reject my tax return as well? FAROUT!
    By: Trevor from NSW, Australia on April 19, 2016 @ 10:28 pm
    Yes Susie I did and my ex. chose not to adhere to our agreed terms for the care of our 3 children. She supported the children's resolve not to maintain contact with me their father simply because they said they didn't want to spent time with me. She had an affair with my best mate and now they all live happily in their new home together. I have initiated mediation to which I was told was not
    mediatible yet I would not be given the reasons why it is so due to confidentiality. I choose not to proceed to court and further disturb the wellbeing of my children who I love dearly and desire in my life. She has worked with the
    Gustarpo CSA to ensure I continue to play slave while she achieves maximum family support benefits and maximum contribution from fulltime working father. I have been assessed by the Gustarpo as earning $96000 per annum when I have declared $26000. I have lodged 2 requests for reassessment both of which failed as none of the points I made were acknowledged as the CSA simply act to reduce the burden on the government without regard for the complexities
    of individual family circumstances. I choose to painfully cut my losses and live life. I have taken financial steps to secure my resources and assets. I do not communicate to the Gustapo and I take advantage of the new life that has presented itself to me. In my dreams I hug and kiss my children and allow the potential future relationship to my children to unfold as it will. In the end this is my life and I will not allow others destroy it.
    By: Suzy from NSW, Australia on April 19, 2016 @ 1:57 pm
    Didn't any of you men outline the custody arrangement when you first split up / got divorced?
    When I separated from my ex, I had it on the separation agreement IE "The child primarily will reside with the mother with the father having minimum 2 nights overnight access every fortnight and additional nights/access as agreed as long as 24 hours advance notice/ request is given to the mother" I actually was the one who put it in there. Also, I'd be interested to hear what everyone thinks the 'Cost of a Child" is per week?
    By: Suzy from NSW, Australia on April 19, 2016 @ 12:21 pm
    RE: your question when did I go back to work. I worked up until two weeks before my son was born and I went back to work when he was 6 weeks old.
    I never stopped working, I worked full time from 15years old. I met my sons father at 30.I owned a house in QLD a sports car. + had money in the bank. He had nothing. He had a daughter from a previous marriage. He never took his daughter overnight when I met him,...he blamed his ex for this, However, once I set up a bedroom and bed for his daughter in our home his ex gladly allowed us to have his daughter overnight 5 times a fortnight,(I wanted her for half the school holidays...her father didn't) I sold my house in QLD and my sports car to purchase another house and a four door car so we get his daughter, our baby son us the car, I then bought a Sydney house with the money from the sale of my QLD house and my bank accounts and borrowed $300,000 from the bank. We struggled to get the loans (3 applications with 3 different lender at $650 per application which I also paid) due to his poor credit rating, but was successful in the end due to my good one. He did not pay one rates bill, electricity or phone bill, or petrol bill, car service this time, he occasionally made a mortgage payment never half around a 3rd of it. Where did his money go? He was a pothead...he smoked nearly his entire salary...Hence the reason I broke up with him after 10 months of buying the house and 2 months after buying the car.
    I had now gone from no debt owning a house in QLD, having money in the bank and a sports having a $305,000 debt and a six month old baby on my hip. As only 10 months had transpired from owning the house it was not worth anymore than I paid for it. Still I gave 'Him" some money sent him on his way /took nothing from him. I can assure you, I used to have to beg him to come and see his son and he often would say he was coming to see him and wouldn't show up. Or when he did show up he was stoned off his head. Eventually (3 years later) he lost his bong and found a bible...He used to quote various psalms...even this didn't change things. Even when he did bother to come and pick up his son he would bring him back early...a few times when my son was 9 I came home to find my son on my front balconey by himself because his father had dropped him off early and not told me, when I rang him and asked how he could leave our son on the balconey by himself, he sited that it was to teach him a lesson for not having a house key and to make him remember it in the future...I reiterate my son was 9 at the time. On paper my ex owes me over $40,000 in child support...but I never tried to collect it as I never put the case through child support. 16 years and 3 months later, now that he is having our son 10 nights a fortnight (our son is now employed full time), so I requested he take him as it is easier for him to get to work from his fathers place. I find out why he agreed a few days after...He had now lodged a claim through child support for $228 per WEEK...which child support warrants as they do not lay claim to any child support that is unpaid that wasn't being collected by them in the first place....even though their records show that he owes me over $40,000. I did what I thought was right at the time and in the best interests of my son, but 16 years later it has come back and bit me.
    1160. By: fred from wa, aus on April 18, 2016 @ 9:27 pm

    DHS office in Perth has door that open themselves at the push of a button. Why is the DHS wasting tax payers money installing these doors. Cant you staff use door handles. Are they incompetent or are you just wasting money.

    I don't see other offices in Perth wasting money like this

    How much does it cost to maintain these doors.

    Why do you need so many offices Campbell

    Where are those copies of your face that I requested Cmpbell
    By: Mike from Vic, Aust on April 17, 2016 @ 9:16 am
    Drew, as far as your money goes make sure it is a joint account, that way the arsehole are unable to say who owns what portion therefore they can't steal any money.

    Make sure your tax returns only return small amounts so if they intercept your return, who cares. Long story but due to a biased ruling I had a CSA debt and they intercepted a nice tax refund I desperately needed

    Also, don't have anything in your name, then if they take out a warrant of seizure and sale the sheriff is unable to take anything

    Protect yourself against these bastards
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 16, 2016 @ 12:28 pm
    When allegations of a mother killing her baby child appear on TV. It is strange that one doesn't see the avalanche of family violence programs that appear on TV like the ones that appear if the father committed the same evil and horrific crime.

    When its a man family violence is splattered all over the TV with politicians getting involved.

    This is the way the media conditions the way society thinks.
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 15, 2016 @ 12:51 pm

    Get them to put it in writing. If they are hassling you at work lodge a complaint with worksafe. Bullying and Harassment is against the OH&S laws.

    Drew have you received a change of assessment and have you lodged a change of assessment form. its still a one sided process but at least you will have it in writing which may be useful later.

    Based on my experience this organisation appears to think they can operate above the law and don't have to provide reasons or to justify their actions. If they do provide a reason it is usually meaningless garbage which these arrogant civil servants expect you to accept and they wont elaborate when questioned. Bit like the KGB and Gestapo.

    I'm still waiting for many FOI requests and for them to justify there actions.

    By: fred from wa, aus on April 15, 2016 @ 12:20 pm
    Channel 9. Have your TV crew broken the law in Lebanon. It appears the law there takes a different view to the Family Court of Injustice here. Isn't that sad, now your TV crew is in jail.

    There is justice in the world...just not in Australia.
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 14, 2016 @ 11:52 am

    My Ex Partner also claimed that I didn't want to see my child. She also claimed that she did every thing to encourage the father to see his child. Even went so far as to swear this in an affidavit.

    The reality was the father was doing everything he could to see his child and the mother was preventing this to maximise the child support. There is proof of this unlike the BS that came out of this woman's mouth. What's said by many woman and what is reality are two different things

    My ex quite her job when it wasn't necessary to do so. When your child went to school did you get a proper job. When did you start working full time. What age was your child. Both parents have a responsibility to provide for the child financially not just the father.

    My mother raised three kids and she held a full time job. These are the woman of the past and these are the woman that deserve respect, not those woman of today who think they can sit at home and demand "entitlements" freebies and hand outs from the father and tax payers.

    You state
    "This system is not against men, it is against those that work hard"

    No it is against men. 92% of those receiving payments are woman.As mentioned the Family court of injustice sets the stage by allocating more time to mothers. Somehow they feel it is in the child's best interest to have more time with the mother. This is an archaic viewpoint which automatically places the mother in a more favourable position. Child support payments, FTB, pension cards etc. It encourages them to screw the system and many do.
    By: Drew from Victoria, Australia on April 13, 2016 @ 8:14 pm
    Hi, having real problems with Child Support today, taking money out of my account. Have been up to date for 4 years. They increased my money by 300% . The rules seem to have changed. I have been asking for a case officer for over a month to explain the increase and was told "that won't happen" been has hassled at work by 4 different people from DHS over last 2 days, can any one point me in the right direction?
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 13, 2016 @ 12:59 pm
    City of Perth Pier Street Parking is now introducing "Female Friendly" parking. Closer to exits etc......Is there no end to this preferential treatment and gender discrimination.

    If you agree lodge a complaint with the relevant government agency that deals with discrimination.
    By: kris from nsw, Australia on April 11, 2016 @ 3:14 pm
    Hi to all paying parents, csa/family flaw, multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new "stolen generation" and creating "domestic violence". This is a contrived system, it will never change in this country. Don't waste your time trying to change it cause you'll go mad, and that's what they want. Stay spiritually strong and therefore mentally strong and stay alive! .The system wants to destroy the family. Just ask the 21 fathers that commit suicide each week and the women who are murdered each week and the kids that are torn appart year after year. And no one can see this??? And then they'll call you a deadbeat father on their maggot social engineering TV.
    MIKE you are spot on , I've been paying over 11 years to those extortion mob.
    Don't waste your time trying to win even if you are right cause they will drive you to insanity. Stay focused on your life don't play up or take drugs to get through. Remember it will Never change, it's aa contrived system.
    By: Suzy from NSW, Australia on April 11, 2016 @ 12:49 pm
    Dear men, I am "woman" This system is not against men, it is against those that work hard and earn money....It does not discriminate to Gender. As a woman I have endured the reverse. For 16 years. I have always worked full time / part time, I paid all the relative bills for and worked during pregnancy, straight after birth and mortgage. When separation occurred ( I was a little tired of paying / doing everything) I had full custody, BUT my sons father was allowed to see him take him as often as he liked...he just didn't/ chose not to. He didn't lodge any tax returns for 15 years So they assessed his child support payments on the last return being $11,316 for the year when in fact he was earning $72,000 per year. He eventually lodged his tax returns in 2008, they showed that he should have been paying me $610 per month, not the $11.83 per month he was documented as paying...I did nothing, because in the best interest of "The Child" I preserved with trying to push him to have a relationship with his child " I gave the option, pay me nothing please just spend more time with your son" He still didn't, he only saw my son 1 night a fortnight if that.. When he lodged his tax returns although it showed that on paper he had short payed me $42,000 for the previous 10 years, CSA advised that they do not collect money back that far...I asked the question as by this stage because our child was older I had now been able to return to work a full 40 hours a week I was now earning $50,000 per year instead of the $30,000 I was when my son was a toddler and I had 100% care. Again, I left it...Now years later my child is 16 and employed full time and I am earning $100,000...Due to his father living closer to his place of son now resides with his father 10 nights a fortnight and 4 nights with me. His father now just lodged a claim with CSA for me to pay him child support of $238 per week...Consequently I will be having my some 4 times as often than he ever did and in the next 20 months until he is 18 I will have paid his father more child support over 20 months than he paid me over 16 years. This is all because I did not " Dispute" the 'System" in the previous years and did what I thought was in the best interests of " The child" Plus he has my son employed and earning a minimum of $22,000 per year.
    1150. By: fred from wa, aus on April 10, 2016 @ 8:20 pm
    If those dealing with the C@%T Support Agency don't unite there will not be change. That is a fact. Im happy to sit in jail. The more that choose jail the more it will cost this f@$%êd up government. They will eventually take note as it will start to cost them. I'd rather sit in jail doing nothing and getting nothing instead of working and getting pocket money why a lazy b@#$$ sits at home. I will sit there with a smile on my face knowing that it is costing this f@#$$$ government a fortune to keep me there.
    By: Mike from Vic, Aust on April 8, 2016 @ 9:18 pm
    Sorry Dave but the CSA has bi-partisan support, why? Because at the end of the day it's not about "the best interest of the child" it's about the best interest of the government I.e, the more the non custodial parent pays the less the govt. pays in benifits. No politician will run a campaign supporting men in CSA matters because if they lose the female vote they won't have a job any longer.

    Nothing will ever change for those of us already in forced servitude, after 10 years of fighting and losing on all fronts I take every opportunity to try and inform the up and coming victims of this draconian system about all the pitfalls they face and the high percentage that they too, will be where we are today.

    If they listen, great, if not, at least I tried and their situation is on them, unlike me I was not informed. If I could go back and start over with this knowledge I would never have children. Not because I didn't won't them or love my children, but the physiological, emotional and financial destruction this country and system imposes on men is just not worth it. Hindsight huh

    We all need to inform young men of what they face so they can make an informed decision about running the gauntlet of forced servitude.
    I always refer to a movie called War Games where the hacker gets the computer to play itself in tic tac toe and nuclear warfare, its final summary is "the only winning move is not to play". Things may only change if men refuse to have children.

    A mate tells me ALL woman have the c&@t gene in them and it only takes the right thing to set it off, and for many many women that's losing 100% custody and 100% of the money that goes with it.

    I state quite clearly, Men, do NOT run our risk by having children until things change.

    I personally will see out my servitude in about 3 1/2 years and then leave this arsehole of a country/system taking my money and the pension money to another country. This will be my revenge, Its not much but I know the govt. hate it when Australian dollars are not reinvested back into the Aust. Economy.

    Fk this whole system/place and those arseholes that screw us over and say it's not me I'm just doing my job.
    By: Dave from Nt, Australia on April 8, 2016 @ 8:03 pm
    I have tried to use the family court system to gain more custody of my children , my eldest even wanted this arrangement . I initiated the proceedings but after four hours of negotiations came out of that realising just how completely us men have absolutely no chance against this system , they are fully for the woman . So unless she agrees to the change of percentage of care I advise to not waste your time in the family dispute ( mediation ) sessions . The next step after this is the family court , your looking at around 10000 to 15000 grand for this , and it will only come down to the judges opinion anyway , game of chance really !!!
    I hate the CSA and the whole system , they are so against men , we have no rights at all . I have the kids interest at heart but the system makes me pay so much , it really is unfair . I feel for everyone else on here , your stories only make me realise how us men are now victimised in this modern brave new world society . It has gone crazy with with an in balance of justice against men .
    So I sit here contemplating my next move only to come to the conclusion there is none , And people wonder why men get so mad, if you don't understand that last comment it is because you have never being involved with a ex that is vintidicative and the CSA which is a tool to destroy men .
    I want to tear down this whole unfair system , please tell me if their are any political parties who want to change the CSA
    By: Rob from WA, Australia on April 8, 2016 @ 3:33 am
    Well Jimmy dont feel lonsome mate as you and i in the same boat!! only i moved to the USA to work as the mining game is down at home and the US has a reciprocal agreement so im still getting stung big time. and yes im being assessed on anincome thet includes a redundancy payment after which i had no work for 9 months..
    As for your comments Fred in regards to the one sided FOI thing, yep. same boat. "we will send an unedited copy to your ex" and we will tell you the results after she has commented(but wont tell you what the comments were!!
    By: Jimmy from Queensland, Australia on April 7, 2016 @ 10:04 pm
    Well guys that is me finished my AAT hearing after a long and painful 8 months.

    And guess what, as usual with this one sided country/government.

    I have done my tax return, lodged signed off with the ATO at 29K however my income is fixed at 193K so I have to pay my ex $3200 per month. Which is just impossible as I don't have the job I had years ago while working in the oil and gas industry.

    Lucky enough I was warned that a 2nd DPO would be put on me so I left the country 9 months ago and moved to Thailand where I am living as it far cheaper to live while unemployed. I owe the government 30K after paying them 30K previous to get the DPO taken of me so I could leave. Which was paid by may parents.

    All I can say is good luck to you men out there. I really wish use all the best Australia is FKD and so one sided it is not even funny. I really wish I new the location of these CSA case officers as I would come back and gladly meet them and for us men.

    By: fred from wa, Aus on April 7, 2016 @ 9:21 pm

    Your assessor spoke to the mother by telephone to obtain information in relation to my objection to your assessment.

    I requested a copy of that call under the FOI act

    Your response:
    “FOI requests, such that third party protected information cannot be disclosed by the department, even when that information concerns an applicant or could reasonably be assumed to be known to an applicant.”

    Your letter dated 16 November 2015
    “Any subsequent information or documents you provide will be sent to Jane (changed) for their consideration for their response”

    Based on the above it would appear that your letter dated 16 November is either misleading or a complete lie because there is no open process. The letter talks about information and that would include telephone information. All information. Perhaps information is only sent to the mother and not the father to prevent the mothers submissions from being challenged.

    That wouldn’t be very fair would it. Explain the above Campbell?

    Why do you allow her to produce secret information which is kept from the father so it cannot be challenged.

    You FOI response also states
    The general prohibition on the communication of third party 'protected information' in section 150(2)(b) of the Assessment Act and section 16(2)(b) of the Registration and Collection Act are subject to specific exceptions provided by section 150 and section 16 of those respective Acts. The exceptions relate to the following:
    • correcting mistakes of fact that risk the integrity of the administration; .............

    I need to hear this evidence so that I can correct this mistake of facts made by your administration
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 7, 2016 @ 8:25 pm
    Why weren't more printed off so that the staff in that building can take them home and frame it.

    Please can you deliver a hundred copies to me. you have my address. I know just how to put your face to use.
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 7, 2016 @ 8:17 pm

    Please see attached image of an A4 size picture of your face.

    This image along with the Honorary Minister is on the entrance to a government building.

    Why are you putting your face on the wall. Is that really necessary. Is your department paying for it and if so why is your department wasting tax payers money printing out your face?

    What is the purpose of that Campbell?

    By: Rob from WA, Australia on April 6, 2016 @ 12:19 am
    Robin, the criteria is 52 -110 days and yes i meet it and all are overnight stays. I have been doing this for the past 3-4 years. Ive since found out that maybe its not the Ex wife making these comments but the CSA themselves, they seem to be playing us off against each other. Even more ammunition for me to go after them. Ive asked for FOI all phone call transcrips and all messages for the past 18 months as i know whats been said it it seems to be getting turned around when they speak to the other party
    By: robin from nsw, australia on April 5, 2016 @ 10:08 am
    rob from wa
    you need more than 110 days a year with half of those over nights you state you get 52 days up that to 110 days and you will meet the care % with csa and payments will drop to match it
    1140. By: Rob from WA, Australia on April 5, 2016 @ 8:03 am
    Hi, well i see im not alone in this "war" with the CSA! It seems that past history, proven travel plans and whatever other information i furnish to the CSA is simple dismissed with a phone call to the ex who says "no" nd next thing im paying the 100% rate plus the $5000 a time for my son to come and visit me as ive just moved to the USA for work. Even though as far as im concerned nothing has changed my son will still visit me as he has done for the past 3-4 years for more than the 52 days mandated by the CSA as partial care. Now to add insult to this if i pay the 100% rate based on a phone call to the ex and my son does in fact visit me as per normal then why is there no deduction or prorated payments for the future? this is what i call an "over payment" and under the current rulings by the CSA is deemed a "too bad too sad" and i lose both ways yet if i under pay you are on my case in miliseconds and threaten fines, bank deductions etc etc(never have undedrpaid in my life even before the CSA were collecting)
    All of this harrassment by the CSA is killing me and its impossible to fight yet if my ex makes a squeak about something you jump on me like a ton of bricks.
    Why is this so? im no dead beat dad, im no loser, im nothing but a caring and loving father yet feel like a criminal and worse still get treated like one(and an ATM to boot)

    Ivejust read through some of your posts Deon, sounds very familiar to me. As soon as the CSA got involved(invited or inflicted)to collect instead of the private agreementi had my life turned to Sh*t. I too have had the phone calls demanding they speak to me at whatever time or place i find myself. I have been ill advised by the CSA several times causing finacial grief follwed by mental anguish. and yes, i too am now clinically depressed due to this departments biased unfair ways.

    By: fred from wa, aus on April 4, 2016 @ 1:07 am

    92 percent of those receiving child support are woman. That is a fact. The family court of injustice is the starting point of this and sets the stage for the child support agency. The CSA continues this discrimination.

    This is not about poor me, Its not all about me. its about all the other men out there that have to deal with this discrimination. This is about a system that is grossly discriminatory and must change.

    You unfortunately have somehow failed to capitalise on a system that is horribly in your favour. It sound like you have the children and had the opportunity to profit with the CSA. My ex is constantly contravening the order hence the court appearances. Remember there is cause and effect. If you cause dramas there is going to be an effect. If he is taking you to court perhaps you need to look at yourself and ask the question if you are doing the right thing.

    My ex was well and truly denigrating the father to the extent that my child would burst into tear when I went to pick her up. The female magistrate didn't want to know. My child is older now and is able to make her own mind up and now comes to me with a smile. I cannot comment on you storey because I don't know you but you cannot deny that many woman play the victim card to screw their ex partners over.

    I have sat outside the family court on many occasions. I practically live there and I have listened to lawyers talking to their female client leading them to say the father is violent and prompting them to seek a restraining order which ultimately would affect visitation rights for the father.

    My ex tried a similar thing claiming she was fearful because I was 6foot4 and had made threatening gestures. what a load of BS
    she didn't succeed on that one and gave up when she saw she wasn't getting anywhere with it. Ultimately it was me that sort a restraining order to stop the verbal abuse she and her relatives were dishing out. The reason why she was dishing it out was in the hope that I would knock her teeth out. Didn't happen. I showed restrain and eventually took it to the magistrates court which have a fairer system than the family court of injustice. If I had reacted to the provocation my child wouldn't have a father in her life. I guarantee the courts would have seen to that and that was her motive. During her last such episode I called 131444 and informed them of the situation and requested the police to be sent out. So sad luck sweet heart that one didn't work for you

    The CSA are not only trying to cover their ass. I am sure they don't like these emails that I am sending them. If they paint me as unstable, hence the police I may loose my child. That would be a nice way to get back at me.

    This agency and this system must be shut down. I have never had to face a system that has treated me in such a blatantly biased fashion and I will not be silenced.

    By: donna from victoria, australia on April 3, 2016 @ 7:16 pm
    This goes 2 ways. My husband sexually assaulted and raped my for 10 years. I hid it. I kept waiting for it to get better. When i finally left, i had severe post-traumatic stress. I couldnt even have a shower, get dressed, or add 2 numbers together.
    Even though i was getting treatment for abuse years before i left, the husband claimed i made it up due to divorce.

    Even though i had evidence of him having a porn addiction and a sex disorder, my barrister said if i got on the stand with PTSD that i could lose my kids - even though specialists said i was the healthy parent.

    Years later i have spent $150k in court, including fighting a false recovery order fir moving house and him trying to move the kids school which is in a high crime area because it was convenient for him. turns out he has raped my 8 year old neice. And im back in court to ask fir supervised visits.

    The kids love their father and all i want is that the relationship is safe. I signed away my child support rights.... so nothing financial csn be gained. So im back paying more legal fees.

    You wsnt to know what he is saying? That i got my neice to say it. Who in gods earth would do that?

    Si stop saying poor me. Because im a woman and i can say the same. Raped, neice raped.. no direct child support...still trying to ensure my kids see their dad...and he still keeps legally attacking me. He wont he happy until im dead. I fear many days that he may get his wiah.

    So stop complaining. Its not 'poor men'...its poor all of us who suffer from the actions of others who dont put kids first.
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 2, 2016 @ 1:54 am
    The AAT state a person can be imprisoned for up to 12 months for disclosing what goes on there.

    That is fine by me
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 2, 2016 @ 12:41 am

    Police came knocking at my door tonight. They wanted to discuss me wanting to go to jail.

    I told them about a lazy ex partner that didn't want to work was sitting at home and laughing at me because she knows she can use your agency to cause harm. They were told that you have a responsible father that is working, caring for his child
    and wanting to care for his child.

    They were also told that that if you agency continues with your threats and harassment that I was quite happy to go to jail.
    By: fred from wa, Aus on April 1, 2016 @ 10:34 pm

    I called my local police station to enquire about crimes that one could commit that would give a fairly short stay in prison so I could check in and out.

    They were not very helpful and I was advised that no policeman would assist me in committing a crime.

    Will have to research it further
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 1, 2016 @ 10:09 pm
    Brick can be broken and bricks crumble with time
    By: fred from wa, aus on April 1, 2016 @ 10:08 pm
    Here is another thought for you Campbell. You send your police men around to my work to "stop me killing myself".

    If I kill myself I am free from your agency and the pain you are causing am I not.

    Why are you trying to prevent this. Do you want to prolong the torture or is it to ease your mind or avoid a law suit.

    If it is to ease you mind remember this. death is better than the torture your agency dishes out.

    Something else for you to think about. Do you really think they would be able to stop it. If you do you are not so smart.
    If you don't then why send them.

    The only way to stop a suicide if to drug someone up to the extent that they are in a complete stupor. You wont be doing them any favour by doing that.

    Shut your agency down or sort it out.

    By: fred from wa, aus on April 1, 2016 @ 9:50 pm

    I received you email dated 30/3/2016.

    In relation to the first to paragraphs of the Change of assessment decision. Your description of events doesn’t match my recollection. When the CD of the conversation arrives I will comment further

    This nonsense of if you don’t agree with the decision go to the AAT. Why are you saying this when you have already acknowledged in this very same letter that you are aware that I have already done that. Can you not see how stupid it is spitting out rubbish that isn’t applicable and is irrelevant. Why, Why do you and others in your agency spit out rubbish. Do you think about what you are saying?

    You state “discussed the concept of a rebuttable presumption” I initially interpreted this incorrectly and I apologise” You were telling me that the onus is on me to prove it not the mother.
    Why were you telling me incorrect information? I want an answer on this one. Explain why?
    I want to get an understanding on why and how you stuffed up. Also explain to me why the CSA continues to make so many bloody errors in favour of the mother.

    In relation to the payments. You claim that “To date we have not received your payment for February 2016 due by 7 March 2016.” .
    Seriously I am shocked. Payment were made on the 25 January, 25 February, 29 March, what have you done with my money?

    I am paying you the correct amount for child support which excludes the additional amount that you have placed on top of it for that lazy dole bludger to sit at home and do F... all. She must get a bloody job.
    There is nothing wrong with her, she is capable of working, there are plenty of jobs out there in her field of work and my child is in school during the day, so there is bugger all need for her to care for my child during the day. Why is your agency supporting this irresponsible behaviour?

    Take my salary and I will be happy to go to prison. You, your agency, and the mother can explain to my child why she is worse off financial and why she doesn’t have a father in her life. I will explain to my child that her father was a brave man that couldn’t bring himself to live as a slave in a system that was cruel and discriminatory. I will tell my child that her mother was and is lazy louse that chose to take the piss and use an unjust system to harm her father.

    You have asked me to contact you in this letter. I want you to communicate with me through the f4joz website. I want this to be in the open. I believe this is something that needs to be in the public domain as it is in the public interest.

    By: Lostinspace from Vict, Australia on April 1, 2016 @ 2:52 pm
    when we learn to change our perception of these corps and agents we will come to see a brick is but a brick, we won't expect anything different. Expectation is a bitch until we get it under control.
    1130. By: Karl from vic, australia on April 1, 2016 @ 7:58 am
    politicians like the so called campbell's of the world are just there to fool the public and be sensationalised by mainstream media in order to propagate the propaganda and brainwashing that's occurred since birth. They are brainless puppet's, so called elected representatives which essentially provides our masters with psuedo legal consent (on behalf of us swine) to pass legislation written and orchestrated by others (out of the spotlight) to control us, steal our energy and wealth. They are not there for the benefit of us like we have been led to believe. It's all a hoax, a bad nightmare from which we must all awake if we are to take back our true freedom! These pollies, who don't speak the real truth, get well looked after in every respect for perpetuating the illusion and keeping us all in the dark, or as slaves some may say. Call them what you will, Kathryn Campbell or Jack the Ripper, they are all fall guys and spokes people babbling rhetoric while they quietly smile and chuckle. On the wages and perks they receive and game they get to play, who wouldn't. But soon there will be another cardboad cutout, then another, John Brown, Mary Winter, whoever. They are not paid to care, just keep the show going for their master's self interests and their own. They are insulated. One could say it's a sick joke if it wasn't so serious as I for one don't like being lied to and deceived, so I can relate to fred's frustration below. As Mark's link below shows, these people live in another world to us. "480 elite public servants" what the hell does elite mean in this context? "senior staff needed to be near the seat of power." What seat and what power and for whose benefit? Secrets, trickery, deception and more secrets. Blahh damn rubbish and tiring, all of it, what a racket. I'm goin fishin.
    By: mark from act, Australia-England on March 31, 2016 @ 6:07 pm
    Centrelink boss Kathryn Campbell keeps three offices despite cutbacks

    old news but thats her
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