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Child Support — What does it all mean?
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Who wants to be dictated to by the State on how you support your children — what, how and when?

Whilst many views float around arguing for and against child support, most decent fathers and parents would argue the issue is not whether or not they wish to support their children, but rather the often unfair conditions imposed upon them.

Simply, it's an attack on the nature of a father's freedom and how he best wishes to raise and support his children in the many different ways a responsible father can, which are often more effective and benefical to a child than any 'slap-bang' instrument of government and statism can ever be.

For a father going through separation/divorce, experiencing the loss of family and children, horrendous false allegations, litigation, uncertainty of where your children are and how they are doing, often causes ill health, work and life instability in so many ways. Also, the effects from not having a fully functioning and emotionally present Dad in a child's life can be equally, if not more devestating as their development can be hindered considerably.

Then if that isn't bad enough, along comes an assessment from the Child Support Agency (CSA) for an outlandish sum of money based on your capacity to work at the highest rate when you were fit and able and on fire, which is possibly a stark contrast to where your financial position is today, or will be in the future if you are unable to recover from the upheaval of a traumatic separation that's often compared to a fate worse than death.

From 2006 CSA powers in Australia have increased to not only garnish your wages, but directly withdraw from bank accounts any amount they deem appropriate, siezing assets of any sort to pay the often highly questionable and unjust debts. As Fathers are assaulted with such draconian measures, one can only feel a sense of dictatorship giving rise to a totalitarian society — not a free Australia — causing fathers to unite and fight for their rights and freedom.

As there are many issues surrounding child support and the effects upon fathers, children and families,

Share your opinion and experiences about the pros and cons of child support,
lifting the veil on a most horrid part of family breakup!

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    By: robin from nsw, australia on March 31, 2016 @ 8:15 am
    fred
    Whos Campbell that you keep talking about Im confused just asking thats all
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 6:37 pm
    Police have come and gone Campbell. Didn't go to the funny farm. I'm still here to keep asking you questions Campbell and I will continue to do so until you shut your one sided agency down.

    Is that the sum total of you duty of care. The police officer told me "we see this all the time" and yet your agency is allowed to continue
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 5:49 pm
    What is the matter Campbell don't you like people speaking out openly about the damage your agency is causing.

    Don't your like people telling you what is going through their heads.

    Still waiting for the cops to arrive
    By: fred from wa, Aus on March 30, 2016 @ 5:28 pm
    Campbell

    Your police went to the wrong address.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 1:57 pm
    Campbell

    I called the police to put in a welfare concern for you because you are not answering my calls. I have concerns for you Campbell.

    The police however don't care about you.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 12:52 pm
    Campbell

    I received a welfare call from the police.

    This isn't about my welfare is it Campbell. I tried to call you and the minister this morning and to ask you to explain yourselves.

    I also indicated to the person that you were causing me a tremendous amount of stress. I asked if you were going to compensate me for this stress that you have caused.

    It was also mentioned that I was considering legal action against your agency.

    This welfare call was not for my benefit it was to cover your ass against any possible legal action. Am I right Campbell.

    You didn't provide the sergeant with any specifics as to the content of the emails or the conversation. I told him to get the facts first then to call me back. Then I put the phone down.

    I also asked the sergeant if he could remove the cause of the anxiety and like you councillors the answer was no.

    Your organisation must be shut down
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 12:13 pm
    Campbell

    To assist your agency to operate in the way it does. Here is something else for the mothers that want to stuff their ex partners around.

    When you resign and claim caring your ex partner might say "hang on there was no need for her to resign because there were alternatives to the care so she didn't need to resign."

    If that is the case you needn't worry your pretty little heads over it because the CSA will create a reason for you. Reasons such as "The department is unable to make decisions about care arrangements" This, although totally unrelated, will be used by the agency to dismiss the fathers evidence for you.

    Is this correct Campbell is this the way your agency operate because this statement is what I got from your agents. This isn't the first time you agents have dismissed my evidence is it. You claim you are unbiased explain this to me. Explain to me how denying the father the opportunity to produce evidence is not biased. Explain to me how dismissing important evidence as show above is not biased. Help me out Campbell I trying to get an understanding on this because from where I'm standing it looks very biased.

    To those mothers out there you resign at your own risk. Change will occur within this agency.

    I will not stop until your agency is shut down

    By: fred from wa, aus on March 30, 2016 @ 12:52 am
    Kylie

    I have had issue with this agency calling me at work. I work with electricity, at heights and on rotating machinery. After calls from this agency I was not in the right state of mind and if I stuffed up I would be a danger to myself, my work colleagues and members of the public.

    I believe that under the work place OH&S laws all employee have a duty of care to themselves, their co workers and the members of the public. I believe CSA workers are also bound by this law.

    If the CSA workers are inflicting undue stress on people I believe they are acting illegally. It is bullying in the workplace. Even if you are a member of the public not at work I don't believe they can bully and harass you from their work place.

    I will be lodging a complaint against this behaviour with the relevant OH&S agencies. It will be general in nature as I don't have access to other peoples files or circumstances. I have on numerous occasions been left me in a state of sever anxiety after communicating with this agency. If they are doing this to me they are doing it to others

    If they have unduly harassed and threatened you another option to explore in the small claims court. It is in the magistrates court and unlike the family court of injustice you may be able to get so justice with minimal risk

    This is an option that I am looking at. It is not right for an organisation to come into peoples lives and cause this amount of grief.

    Those that die from suicide are not the only victims. their family, friends and colleagues become victims of this agency to
    1120. By: fred from wa, aus on March 29, 2016 @ 11:58 pm
    Kylie

    I looked at large concrete pillars on freeways. The bastards at main roads put crash barriers next to them. Hard getting a good solid hit at 200km per hour with those in place. If I was going to do it I wanted to do it right. No half measures.

    Carbon monoxide, doesn't always work. Nice but not a sure method. I do work on a number of tall government buildings with access to the roofs. I have looked over the edge and had a good long think. Yes main roads one of them is your buildings.

    This agency is such a f...ing shambles it is beyond a joke. Campbell your agency is destroying lives. How the f... do you justify that.

    Kylie fight the bastards. It is time consuming but the only way to force change is in numbers and to take on this callous government.

    By: fred from wa, aus on March 29, 2016 @ 11:43 pm
    Campbell

    Your case manager said to me if she wanted the money why didn’t she ask for a change of assessment straight away why did she wait after resigning.
    The answer is on your website Campbell. You are telling them how to nullify the legislation Campbell.
    For those woman that are too thick to understand the website I will explain it to you in simpler terms.
    All you have to do to fuck your ex partner over is resign from your job. Do not go and ask for a change of assessment as this won’t allow you to use point 3 of reason 8.
    When the automatic assessment comes through at the end of the year then you can demand the money as has my ex partner.
    The gender discriminatory child support agency will at their “discretion” dismiss the application saying if money was her motivation she would have asked for it sooner. The CSA will effectively nullify that part of legislation for you. You don’t need a “rebuttable” excuse not with the agency on your side.

    For all of those woman out there that is how you do it. Quit, then claim caring and wait for the CSA to make a “fair unbiased” assessment at the end of the year.

    Continue this argument for a couple of years then claim you are unable to get employment because you have been out of the work force for a number of years and the CSA will allow you to continue to screw your ex partner over. Yes that is on their website to.

    Who are you f...ing kidding Campbell.

    By: Kylie oconnor from ACT, Australia on March 29, 2016 @ 10:05 pm
    Fred i agree.
    Around xmas i had a heartless bitch of a case worker. She wasnt satified with my hard ship form . Knocked it back. I pay 1/3 of my wage.
    After that phone call i was suicidal.
    Who ever said they cant make you pay....they can .....by law they can take it out of your wage. Bastards
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 29, 2016 @ 9:15 pm
    Campbell

    How many men has your agency caused to commit suicide over this month?

    For this month how many men dealing with your agency have killed themselves?

    How many men have developed mental health problems as a result of dealing with you agency.

    How many children have been harmed mentally because they have lost a father either through suicide or through the father developing a mental illness.

    How many children are in a less favourable financial position because of the fathers inability to continue working because of CSA stress induced mental illness. I’m in that position Campbell. I am in that F..ing position Campbell thanks to your f...ed agency. I’m doing my best to keep working for my child’s sake but through your agencies f...ed up involvement I cannot see that continuing.

    These are not rhetorical questions. I want answers to this. I believe your agency is killing and harming more men and children than the terrorists in Europe. I find it bizarre that this can continue in this supposedly civilised country and no one says a word and you and your agency are allowed to continue

    How does it feel knowing you are causing me this amount of anxiety and stress. I don’t believe you care Campbell and neither do you Prime Minister. Am I correct. It just all about votes isn’t it?
    You stuff up my life and others and you couldn’t give a damn am I right?.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 29, 2016 @ 8:27 pm
    Campbell

    I called and spoke to my case manager today.

    There was no verification of my identity. Why not? What does the law say in relation to this and my privacy?

    This new case manager has apparently taken over because of work load distribution. What too much work for the other one.

    Campbell why is he telling me that the onus is on me to prove the mother quite to increase her payments. The onus is on her. Why am I quoting the law to him. Why is he telling me this garbage Campbell. Doesn’t he know what is going on or is he trying to BS me?

    He talks about $30 extra per week as insignificant. It is actually close to $1700 per year. If that is insignificant then he can pull that money out his ass and pay it to that bulger himself.

    I asked him specific questions in relation to the objection assessment and he was evasive and deliberately avoided or refused to answer many of them .

    Your agency doesn’t like answering questions does it. Very closed and secretive. Your agency doesn’t like people looking at them and the way they conducts themselves. Is that an accurate assessment? Am I right Campbell. Some would say that is rather shady Campbell.

    Your assessor dismissed my objection (reason 8 point 3) based on the mothers claiming that she had caring responsibilities. Remember the onus is on the mother to prove she wasn’t motivated by money, not me. Apart from saying caring responsibilities she hasn’t provided any proof to suggest otherwise. Your assessor has also not provided a reason apart using the standard CSA line of “I am satisfied”. How did you become satisfied assessor, explain yourself because you certainly haven’t in your assessment.

    Regarding my FOI request about the number of woman working for the CSA. You are trying to muddy the water by saying they serve multiply departments i.e Medicare, centreline etc. I want to know how many woman and men work for or have anything to do with the CSA. You can and will provide that information. its not hard. This information is important.
    By: johnsie from qlder, ozzie on March 28, 2016 @ 7:20 pm
    Fuck mike sounds like these bastards locked you out of your son's life. He's gona be pissed when he gets older. You've probably brainstormed all the options too i bet,, but as a thought write letters to your son as if he could read them now and as if you were talking to him, even leaving them with a trusted 3rd party, if there is one. This may help you emotionally now as I know your probably livered and all over the place, what a head fuck. It will also help your son understand later in life that you didn't abandon him and you loved him very much. I know from experience if men don't do things like this, there is a good chance kids may not wanna know their old man later on as there is no evidence of care and concern..
    By: mike from Victoria, Australia on March 27, 2016 @ 7:29 pm
    No Johnsie. If i go to florida i will be arrested for being in contempt of court due to me not being able to pay $1700 a month child support while unemployed. My ex filed in a florida court and they would not allow me to testify or rebuke her claims telephonically. I wont ever see him again until he turns 18 or she becomes deceased
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 27, 2016 @ 11:30 am
    The Australian government is killing an injuring more people here than the terrorists in Europe.

    The media promotes this terrorist fear but they fail to report on the government killings in this country.

    You have more to fear from this government than you do from terrorists.
    By: Adrian from Vic, Australia on March 27, 2016 @ 12:33 am
    They can't make me pay and I don't
    By: johnsie from qld, oz on March 25, 2016 @ 11:02 pm
    @Mike, can you see yourself spending a month in the US, say on holiday with your son. This should defeat any contempt allegations and as your son grows older and the bond develops, he can make his choice of where to go.
    1110. By: mike from Vic, Australia on March 25, 2016 @ 7:26 pm
    Your right NBM i cant be jailed in australia. But i can and will be jailed in florida if i go to collect my son and bring him to Australia for one month a year as it my custodial and parental right. My ex does not want him coming here and the best way to do that is have me in contempt of court in florida. The only way ill ever see my son again is when he turns 18 or she dies
    By: Paul from Sydney NSW, Australia on March 24, 2016 @ 3:56 pm
    National suicide toll reaches tragic high
    2864 suicides. Almost 8 per day. 1 every 3 hours.

    Australia is facing a growing national suicide emergency with Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) data released today showing that 2864 people took their own lives in 2014 – an increase of almost 13.5 per cent from 2013.

    Among people 15-44 years of age, the leading cause of death is suicide, followed by accidental poisonings and land transport accidents.

    Suicide is the leading cause of premature mortality in Australia, occurring at a rate of 12.0 deaths per 100,000 people in 2014. This is the highest rate of suicide deaths recorded in the past 10 years, with previous rates ranging from 10.2 to 11.2 deaths per 100,000 people.

    "We understand that factors contributing to suicide and many other causes of death are complex, and we are actively working to expand the range of information to assist research in these areas," said Mr Eynstone-Hinkins.

    Fk these cocheads have got to start pointing the finger to the root cause and that would be CSA.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 24, 2016 @ 1:46 am
    Prime Minister

    Why are these clowns playing games. As head of this organisation why are you allowing these people to play games.

    CSA FOI Department

    Where is my FOI request
    Enough playing games.

    Under the FOI Act I requested the total number of female employees in the child support agency.
    I also requested the total number of male employees on the 19/1/16 and on numerous other dates.
    You have failed to respond. I will now put in a complaint with OAIC and the ombudsman.

    I am not going away you will give me those figures so stop trying to hide them and mess me around. Stop playing games.

    By: fred from wa, aus on March 24, 2016 @ 1:40 am
    Lyndon

    I asked them the same question about jail. Their response was as follows

    "In some circumstances child support may not be payable depending on the incarcerated parents financial circumstances and income. Child support may not be payable if the required applications have been made by the incarcerated parent. The parent would need to lodge and estimate of income, then make applications for the fixed annual rate and Minimum Annual rate not to apply. If the parent does not update their income upon incarceration they may continue to be assessed on the previous financial years income and incur arrears."

    I will never be a slave to these bastards. I will be happy to sit in jail and not have to deal with these f...s. Carry on pushing CSA and we will see what happens.

    Yeah Australia F...ing fair alright.
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 24, 2016 @ 1:24 am
    Deon

    Bombard the bastards with emails. Every father needs to stand up to these C...s. Fight them. The more emails they get the less efficient they become. demand answers before you respond to theirs. Screw them. Go to your local MP and demand he or she takes action. Annoy the F.... out of them. Be in their face let them know enough is enough. Don't expect other to do it everyone must get involved. Turn bull wants to hear from you send him emails. lots of them. It election time.
    By: Lyndon from qld, Aus on March 22, 2016 @ 11:30 pm
    They threatened me once with jail but I knew well that I couldn't be jailed ,so I asked if I went to jail then my income would be zero and while in jail would that wipe my debt? , the silence on the end of the phone was deafening . I also made the suggestion if they wanted to jail me that I would need plenty of notice as I would use some holiday leave while inside . Finally as I have 50/50 care who was going to look after my children . They hung up !
    By: Deon from wa, Australia on March 22, 2016 @ 9:20 pm
    As i have stated before i have been constantly bullied and financialy raped by child support with ridiculous estimates 180,000 over actual earnings of 76,000 a year but it seems CSA has no accountability for these circumstances only under your own cost of attaining a lawyer to do so, to make them look at it.These scum of the modern so called democracy are taking fathers, purpose, dignity and ability to be fathers to there own children and if you have been doing the right thing you are a easy target. I understand that there are mothers also in the same position but predominately it is the fathers killing themselves, why is it the media is so fast to report a suicide but NEVER reports on the true events leading to a father taking his own life leaving fatherless children and self destructing a childs values and learning outcomes a father can provide. CSA you are nothing but rats hiding and running behind legislation, you take someones purpose and ability to be a father you take their life, and at times seem to be proud of this power you have over the family institution. Surely by numbers this could be taken to a federal level to expose the wrongs of this low life organization. Its a pity no media has the balls to take these stories on, proving the government has truly suppressed free speech, we are now a policed state, democracy and fairness is dead. CSA proudly killing Australian fathers, taking there purpose, dignity and ability to be fathers!!!!!!!!! . I now get threats from the ATO every tax time since CSA become involved, yet 18 years prior never once had one letter from them. WE NEED ACTION IN NUMBERS FOR FEDERAL INVOLVEMENT is there a lawyer out there who cares enough to stand for what is completely unfair to the honest, caring fathers out there that can no longer feed themselves let alone help there children outside of the CSA's grasp. I have been living on sandwitches now for months, taken to court for water bills and general amenities yet they continue to harass and bully me almost daily, any small amount of change i get they want it, careless pieces of crap, how could anybody with a conscience work for such an organization, i think that just answered itself. They are liars, cheats and bullies behind the wall of legislation, like to see them on the street they would all be burnt on a cross.
    By: fred from wa, AUS on March 22, 2016 @ 9:16 pm
    Campbell

    I received part and only part of my FOI request today. The letter that came with the audio CD had the following statement:

    “Please note that you do not have permission to release the contents of any call recordings to any other parties”

    Explain to me why we have these restrictions on telephone recording Campbell because I’m not too smart.

    Does that mean that your agents are afforded greater protection when they say the wrong thing and I cannot use that against them.

    If that is the case is it not better to advise all your customers not to communicate with you via telephone and to request everything in writing.

    I need a detailed explanation on this Campbell.

    By: fred from wa, aus on March 22, 2016 @ 9:04 pm
    Campbell

    I was told the objection process is an “Open” process.

    Your assessor contacted the other party just prior to his decision.

    I want to hear that conversation. If you tell me no then you don’t have an open process and your organisation is operating in a shady manner.

    I received your email today in regards to that FOI request. Yes you have 30 days to decide on that FOI request. It’s not that hard. Don’t be late.

    That was one of my FOI requests Campbell. Where is the other one which was sent on the 19/01/16. That one is well overdue why are you trying to hide the numbers Campbell.

    I want the numbers that were current on the day the request was made. How many woman work for the child support agency. How many man work there.

    I have had to put in a complaint before I can take it to the OAIC and the ombudsman. I have put in a complaint and as yet no response to my complaint.

    Be advised that you have been asked through numerous emails to provide the information which you have chosen to ignore. I believe those emails can already be regarded as a complaint even though the word hasn’t been used because they show clear dissatisfaction in your failure to respond.

    Why are you not providing that information Campbell. Why is Your agency hiding it?
    By: NMB from NSW, Australia on March 22, 2016 @ 7:55 pm
    Mike
    You cannot be jailed in Australia for not paying your child support. I know they tried to jail me. The only reason you will be jailed is if you have hidden money and through fair means or foul the CSA find it and prove this to the courts and the COURTS ORDER (for emphasis)...you to pay your debt and you don't. This is contempt of court.....it is not because you didn't pay because you cant or for any other reason....but for contempt of court. There is really nothing CSA can do other than apply a DPO which effectively jails you in an island jail called Australia. I repeat.....there is NOTHING they can do. It is all bullying, false threats and bluster. I know....I have been to the end and survived without being jailed
    1100. By: mike from Vic, Australia on March 22, 2016 @ 11:35 am
    In a bad way. My son lives in miami. I stupidly signed over jurisdiction to a florida court and Im assessed at making $65,000 US a month with Child support payments of $1142 a month US which is like $1500 AU. Plus 65% of medical costs and extra cariuclar activities. Added to that I cannot change or modifythe agreement unless i jump on a plane and got to florida. Im now in contempt of court and will no longer be able to bring kmy son to australia for one month every year due my pending arrest. Added to that I was unemployed in March 2015 and my ex in Florida applied to the court and told the court I refused to pay. I was not allowed to even testify in a phone hearing. Ive now applied to the court here to take jurisdiction of this matter in relation to assessing me as an australian with an australian income and under CSA guidelines even though in the US agreement I agreed not too. Not looking good
    By: Fred from wa, AUS on March 22, 2016 @ 1:28 am
    My lovely ex partner works very hard at sitting at home with a few hours of casual work per week squeezed into her busy schedule, just to top up her well earned dole payment from Centerlink.

    Kathryn Campbell lovely employees have decided that she can do this because she has to care for my child. What a load of S....

    Campbell I am going to say this to you and your educated staff again. There were alternatives to the care. The mother worked nights and the father day. 50/50 care Campbell. The mother didnt want that, did she, hence her resignation Campbell.

    CSA takes into account her Centerlink payments and casual work but doesn't take into account her Child Support. This dear caring sweet heart has a taxable income of around $22000 per year for sitting on her backside. This poor woman struggling for cash........ I hope her recent home renovations went well.

    This is below the self supporting rate and her income percentage is zero according to the CSA formula.

    But wait, the formula gets thrown out the window if the father is deemed to receive some back based on 8A earning capacity...because the amount is deemed to be insignificant by the lovely staff at CSA. To bad Mr Father.

    I think that is a biased decision making policy Campbell. Campbell I want you to explain how when the mother benefits the formula is used but if the father benefits by the formula it is discarded. Why Campbell Why? Why are you very silent.

    Where is my freedom of information request. Why is your agency hiding this information. Why did your staff send me a bull dust answer that had absolutely nothing to do with what was requested. What is the agency hiding.

    By: Ak from Wa, Australia on March 22, 2016 @ 12:44 am
    My ex owes 38k and counting. Has been about three years
    Since a regular payment. I ask him to assist with the children's needs (he has no contact due to his choice of being a highly paid worker yet skilled junkie and living on opposite side of country) and I am met with refusal. If I chose not to home, clothe, feed, medicate and school my child, I would have been in prison a long time ago. Why can he just choose not to contribute to their needs? I give everything money can't buy, facilitating play dates, homework help, late nights with illness or bad dreams, hours in the emergency room when things aren't right, stress about the nutritional quality of the food we eat, making last minute costumes or taking time off work for awards, assemblies, parent teacher meetings, etc. He does nothing. Except for forget the call them once a week, but usually can't manage that. I do my best to be a good parent that works hard full time, takes the children to sports four nights a week and go without everything I need like medical care/ dental care, car servicing, work clothes and God forbid a hair dye, to make sure my kids don't go without.
    Those payees out there who get no support are doing it tough. For those paying parents who are financially raped each week, well done to you for making your child's mother in a better position to support your child. It's hurts on either side of the csa coin
    By: Mick from Vic, Aust on March 21, 2016 @ 6:09 pm
    Hi Sharon,

    The more child support you receive, the less FTB you may be able to receive. You can receive a certain amount of child support before it affects your FTB. This is called the Maintenance Income Free Area. If the amount of child support you are entitled to receive in a financial year is over your Maintenance Income Free Area, your FTB payments will be reduced by 50 cents for every dollar of child support until the base rate of FTB is reached.

    It's all on the DHS website
    By: sharon allport from Port Augusta, Australia on March 21, 2016 @ 1:38 pm
    If the mother is on centrelink payments does that reduce when she receives child support?
    By: Mick from Victoria, Australia on March 20, 2016 @ 9:01 pm
    Fred,
    Since the introduction of the family law act introduced in 1975 more than 35000 men have killed themselves, I believe currently 5 men a week end their lives of which the family court & CSA would be directly responsible for some - I was nearly one of them.

    There was a full front page spread taken out of a beach scene showing 5 dead whales washed up - huge public out cry of "save the whales"
    The next day same front page spread but replaced the whales with males - nothing heard for "save the males"

    I have had reply's from CSA re adjustments - after reading their legal jumbo jumbo it breaks down to - we don't care if you can't afford food or sleep in the streets etc, just pay your child support
    Best interest of the child bullshit - best interest of the govt.

    Did you know that if someone takes out a civil warrant the debtor has the protection of the bankruptcy act I.e. The Sheriff cannot seize household funiture, a car under $8k plus more, if the CSA take out a civil warrant under federal law that protection has been written out and the sheriff is obliged to look at all assets except bedding and clothing

    And don't forget they also apply potential earnings for assessment when THEY deem so.

    I have met a lot of guy's like myself who have been falsely accused of drugs, porn and inappropriate touching of my child (all proved false by police) the stress was unbelievable, make a law that if these accusations are made and proven false to aid in taking the child away from the non custodial parent, the current custodial parent loses custody, watch 95% of these accusations disappear.

    I can go on and on as I have been dealing with CSA and a bitter ex wife since 2003, have not seen my oldest for 8 years now and she finally poisoned my youngest and lost him completely 2 years ago

    My conclusion is a comparison to a movie war games where the computer plays itself at tic tac toe, computers conclusion, only winning move is not to play, only winning move for us men is not to have children, if I could go back and start over with the knowledge I have of this system I would not have kids, not because I don't love them but because the emotional, physiological and financial heartache and stress is not worth it.

    Australia the lucky country? Not if your a separated father
    By: lyndon from qld, qld on March 20, 2016 @ 7:36 pm
    My lawyer told me once while fighting for access I have three things against me
    1- I have a penis
    2- I have a Job
    3- I want to be part of my childrens lives

    By: Mick from Victoria, Australia on March 18, 2016 @ 5:24 pm
    I have been refused access to my daughter for over three years. I wasn't even able to send her a birthday card on her first birthday. Christmas was a rushed visit at a pizza shop. I cant afford a solicitor to obtain a location order ( they simply dissappeared) let alone, pay to get access. I can't afford food other than protein shakes and nuts. Milk, bread and cheese are luxuries. I can't afford electricity so I use a candle and operate a battery powered radio. I cant afford water, so I have a shower at the local recreation centre. My car has a leaking fuel tank, bald tyers and a noisy power steering box. I cant afford house repairs. The CSA has deemed that I can afford another pay increase for the living conditions of my daughter.I have no energy to sustain my new relationship with a wonderful woman. I cant afford to sustain my self as societies public enemy because I am a father. I am the Titanic. I am slowly sinking. Why do they ( CSA and the SOCIAL POLICY MAKERS) apparently hate us so much ?
    By: robin from nsw, australia on March 18, 2016 @ 8:22 am
    BK
    It was done all in court he had to show that he had to support his new family and that he was the sole earner all that shit after all his bills he couldnt afford to pay csa to his old kids so it was dropped
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 18, 2016 @ 12:50 am
    I sent xxxxx a letter on the 13/2/2015. Today I received a call from you Centerlink Councillor to discuss “Your comments about wanting to kill yourself” I stopped him and asked him if he could remove the root cause of the problem. His response was “no” so I hung up on him. I have asked your agency not to contact me by telephone. DO NOT PHONE ME AGAIN.

    Why do you continue with this pretence of concern for my welfare. You are not fooling anyone.

    Have you not read my letter, your councillors are a waste of time so why do you get them to call. Read my bloody letter. It is a cover your ass exercise. The fact you are doing nothing to change your evil system confirms that you don’t care and going to continue to cause men to kill themselves. If you councillor want to talk tell them to put it in writing. I want there to be proof and evidence.

    You employ and use these councillors because you have a duty of care to your victims but then you carry on with the harassment and bullying. Your actions are contradictory.
    The councillors use you to provide them with employment and they will justify their existence to remain employed.

    I have noticed a trend with you now providing male voices instead of female. Who are you kidding. Stop playing games.

    Where is my freedom of information request in relation to the number of female workers? Why are you hiding this?
    1090. By: Bk from Wa, Australia on March 17, 2016 @ 9:46 pm
    Capacity to earn, sorry.
    By: Bk from Wa, Australia on March 17, 2016 @ 9:45 pm
    Robin, does capacity to alarm not apply in this case or is it all through court?
    By: robin from nsw, australia on March 17, 2016 @ 11:10 am
    Just for 1 minute lets just look and say sometimes its not the mother whos a bitch and its the father who is.In my case my x took me to court on the grounds he has remarried and has 3 stepchildren to support and he can no longer support quote "his old family " well guess what the court agreed with him now he doesnt have to pay a red cent in csa payments to his old family on the grounds of financial hardship and his choice to remarry. Dont get me wrong I work 2 jobs to feed and house my kids always have done that now Im at risk of loosing my kids to the x because I work and as he says Im never at home with them WTF where do I stand.My lawyer told me I should have been a stay at home mum and lived of the dole CSA wont help me the law is on his side so Im fucked work loose my kids stay at home loose a place to live and my kids think about it from my end sometimes its the father whos a prick and now I have to drive 6 hrs out of my way to take the kids to see him on the only day I get of work ( sunday ) for lunch with him then drive home 6 hrs Y cause the dick lost his licence and his lawyer took it to court so now i got to follow the court ruleing and do that for him
    By: pETER from Tauranga, NZ on March 16, 2016 @ 3:21 pm
    Further to my posts on 13, 14,19 feb. Today has been a hell day.. Last Friday our son had been feeling on top of things for the first time in months, in fact the last few years. After being on the sickness benefit since end of October, due to stress and anxiety, he went to WINZ (NZ) to tell them that he was feeling much better and felt he was able to cope with getting back to work. Today he got a letter from CSA saying that he was in arrears. His change of circumstances still hadn't been dealt with from October. This sent him spiralling back down again as apart from the arrears and in spite of the fact that he has been up to date with payments until he went on the sickness benefit, and paying a minimal amount as arranged by IRD they are still calculating him on last years earnings. He needs to see his daughters for his own sanity but as his ex is not bringing them over for school holidays as ordered by the court he has not seen them for a year. He now feels he has no hope of saving up to see them over there. They live in central Queensland so it is not as if it is just a quick flight to Brisbane. He would also have to pay for accommodation for himself and his children and hire a car as well as having no money coming in for 2 weeks. I can see him ending up not being able to get back to work as he is so stressed again and just about ready to give up. Is there no end to all this for those genuine fathers who love their children dearly but don't get to be proper fathers. To CSA it is all about what the mother wants and nothing to do with the fathers circumstances. He has never, ever been in debt with child support or anything else, until CSA became involved and took over his soul.
    By: Adeboye Peter Olufemi from Manchester, United Kingdomraud on March 16, 2016 @ 6:59 am
    Child Maintenance is a fraud and its destroying my life
    By: Kris from nsw, Australia on March 15, 2016 @ 9:28 pm
    Hi to all paying parents. CSA / Family flaw multi billion dollar racket destroying families and creating the new " stolen generation " and creating " domestic violence ". Imagine just for one minute if the csa extortionists applied the same pressure on the mother to get a job and do her tax return yearly, as they do on fathers, hey! That would mean we have equality? . And a spin off of all this might be that the mothers might actually let us see our children.
    what is and isn't in this world is agreed upon by some to be so, not because things just turned out like so. Very important to know this.
    5 years and counting. ..
    By: john from nsw, australia on March 14, 2016 @ 11:25 pm
    if these lovely government workers stuff up, another way to make them pay is to submit their form.

    Compensation application form (CS4313)

    admittedly they ultimately decide but keep these bastards busy. tbe more work you give them the harder it will be to operate.
    By: Istvan Monzaros from Belize , Belize on March 14, 2016 @ 3:59 pm
    I can show any australian father the secret to beat CSA can setup new identity
    with valid passport and offshore bank account CSA, ATO ect cannot see or garnish.

    I stand as your agent today contact me at istvan1988@hotmail.com I can create a new identity for you in about 3 weeks
    By: Tkjc from NSW, Australia on March 14, 2016 @ 9:22 am
    Hi again guys I have said this again and again. Do not lie down to the pack of rats they call CSA if they lie and threaten and abuse you take them to court they will tell you that you can not and that no one has ever won against them. Don't believe their lies the truth is that when taken to court and in a situation that they will loose what these rats do is buy their way out of trouble they will do whatever they need to do to get themselves out of shit and to not have a court case go against them so that there is no precedent for others don't lie down to these rats

    I call them RATS vause they behave exactly like a filthy gutter RATS just like a rat hides in darkness they hide behind Thiet computers and phones and the minute there confronted they run just like Rats

    Take them to court if you believe they are responsible for a death or near death this is malfeasance in public office there decision don't have to go through there appeals process if they lie and threaten and misuse their power in any way that is MALFEASANCE IN PUBLIC OFFICE and also TORTURE the first is punishable by money the second will see the rat that threatens and lies put behind bars for up to twenty years
    By: fred from wa, aus on March 14, 2016 @ 1:23 am
    Campbell
    If she doesn’t get full time employment soon is your agency going to continue to allow her to use the excuse of care. Remember you have stated “I am also satisfied that Miss xxxxx would be able to seek alternative full time employment during the day, as child care options are available to Miss xxxxxx during the day. I have found that Miss xxxxx is able to work full time”

    1080. By: fred from wa, aus on March 13, 2016 @ 9:52 pm
    I have received your letter dated 4 March 2016.

    Is that it? Is that the sum total of the CSA efforts to stop someone killing himself. A template ...seriously.

    Can you not see how thick and inadequate that is.

    Clearly when you say you take the welfare of parents seriously it is a load of hog wash.

    Why are you “re-iterating” it. Do you think I cannot bloody read or didn’t understand you letter. Yes I will be taking it to the AAT. Then I will be taking it to a new level. You have no idea on the severity of your decisions.

    Stop sending letters with superfluous rubbish in them.

    Where is my bloody FOI request in relation to the numbers of employees. Your sent this garbage letter but you don’t sent that information. Why do you delay that information. Why are you playing games

    Now I contacted Mensline today as per your letter and as expected another woman and as expected she could do sweet bugger all.

    I asked her how many of the councillors were female and how many were males. She wouldn’t provide that information. The entire system if very one sided.

    She admitted that she could not remove the root cause of the problem and that is you and your agency.

    So explain to me why you have sent that letter when you continue to cause stress and mental health problems. Telling me to talk to them is a waste of time and you know it. Your letter is a cover your ass thing for the agency. As an employee you have a duty of care as does the agency . I’m sorry that letter doesn’t cut it when you continue with your actions of causing pain.

    If you miss these letters you can read it on the fathers for justice site and later you will see them on my site. The entire joke of an assessment will be there.

    Your assessor conveniently didn’t provide an explanation as to how he became “satisfied” with the care explanation and why he didn’t take into account the information I provided.

    Explain that.
    By: Donald from Sydney NSW, Australia on March 12, 2016 @ 9:53 am
    Fred I agree with you and millions of others would also. They are a mob of Nazi like people causing more deaths than any other cause, the statistics dont lie.

    CSA should be held accountable for some type of Genocide, intent to systematically eliminate single fathers through consistant harrassment.
    The corporate committee should be charged and the CSA system dismantaled and may they beg for mercy from all the lost souls they have sent to the grave, I hope CSA members are haunted forever and rot in hell.

    Suicide Statistics for Males in Australia
    Australian males are four times more likely than females to take their own lives.
    Suicide rates for males aged 25-44 continue to rise. In 1990, the rate was 27 per 100,000, In 1998 it hit 37, what is it today?

    http://australianmensrights.com/Men_Suicide_Statistics_Australia/Support_Payments-Drove_Man_To_Suicide-Australia-Canberra_Times_19NOV2000.aspx

    http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/215599/cif-pollini-ba-210131111.pdf

    175 Killer Dads: Fathers who ended their children's lives in situations involving child custody, visitation, and/or child support (USA -
    See more at: http://americanmotherspoliticalparty.org/ampp-article-library-family-court-custody-abuse-dv/1-research-articles-family-court-bias-custody-abuse-battered-moms/58-175-killer-dads-fathers-who-ended-their-childrens-lives-in-situations-involving-child-custody-visitation-andor-child-support-usa#sthash.EElq7VPN.dpuf

    The child support agency claims its for the good of our children, wake up Mr Government the people are suffering.
    Grandparents, Siblings, Mothers, Fathers and our especially our children all feel the pain CSA in inficting on our society.

    How many more deaths do we need for statistics Mr Prime Minister?
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